Orlovsky on Pickett - Fury Jackals That Want Pickett Meat Please Listen

[955876]

Let’s not slander the good name of Brock Purdy by putting him in the same sentence as Kenny Pickett ever again. That ship has long since sailed.

Oh bullshit. WTF does McChicken know?? He is just a RB. You could put any QB on the 49ers and they too would lead the league.

KP’s numbers would be so damn good if he was on the 49ers they’d have to create a separate category for such elevated stats.

Did you even watch him in the preseason? He was dropping DIMES on those vanilla defenses that weren’t game planning.

KP is going to take a giant shit on all you pretend GMs.

Book it…

[Jobu]

…but it's only an unfortunate choice unless you stick with him too long, bypass the chance to draft a better guy, and/or give him a huge C$2.

Knowing the way this organization functions…

[Orangesteel]

^ that.

You know how common this is? How many guys come into the league after kicking ass at QB for 3-4 years in the college ranks and don’t do a damn thing in the pros? Is the best of the very best on defense. As B2B said there is no shame in not being able to excel at the pro level.

Now, way over-drafting Pickett given he wasn’t a good prospect coming out of college and relied heavily on bloated stats from his 5th year at Pitt? A GM on his way out the door drafts a guy from the same university that Dan Marino went to in 1980?

Plenty of shame to go around for that!

Honestly, it isn't the choice I would have made and was fraught with red flags... but it's only an unfortunate choice unless you stick with him too long, bypass the chance to draft a better guy, and/or give him a huge C$2. Those are gigantic mistakes in comparison.

Well sure. And doesn’t that sound like something the Steelers will do?

But they also had never fired a coach in-season until yesterday, so perhaps a glimmer of hope that nobody is currently safe considering the media this team is getting?

[LakecrestSteeler]

Let’s not slander the good name of Brock Purdy by putting him in the same sentence as Kenny Pickett ever again. That ship has long since sailed.

Dear President of Brock Purdy Anti-Defamation League,

I chose my words carefully…I did not mention accuracy or pocket presence. I am now in the Kenny Pickett was a victim of football malpractice camp.

He may be permanently damaged and beyond hope and repair. I will root for a Rocky Balboa rehab thru the end of season. A deprogramming and then reprogramming, then hope for screen passes, then flare passes, then shallow curls, then 15 yard outs, then post, flag and go routes by the PLAYOFFS?

Much of the stink on Kenny is coaching related. Reversible in NFL time? Remains to seen.

Mike Tomlin’s apologies should go something like this:

Sorry Kenny for letting you be an alter boy. I should have recognized the signs. When Padre asked you to come help with 10pm daily mass I should have known. When you started getting $500 allowance from Padre I should have known. When Padre started taking you only to overnight Steeler games I should have known. When Padre volunteered to be your private wrestling coach I should have known.

Sorry Kenny. Here to hoping Sullivan broke some shackles too!

[Steelperch]

Let’s not slander the good name of Brock Purdy by putting him in the same sentence as Kenny Pickett ever again. That ship has long since sailed.

Dear President of Brock Purdy Anti-Defamation League,

I chose my words carefully…I did not mention accuracy or pocket presence. I am now in the Kenny Pickett was a victim of football malpractice camp.

He may be permanently damaged and beyond hope and repair. I will root for a Rocky Balboa rehab thru the end of season. A deprogramming and then reprogramming, then hope for screen passes, then flare passes, then shallow curls, then 15 yard outs, then post, flag and go routes by the PLAYOFFS?

Much of the stink on Kenny is coaching related. Reversible in NFL time? Remains to seen.

Mike Tomlin’s apologies should go something like this:

Sorry Kenny for letting you be an alter boy. I should have recognized the signs. When Padre asked you to come help with 10pm daily mass I should have known. When you started getting $500 allowance from Padre I should have known. When Padre started taking you only to overnight Steeler games I should have known. When Padre volunteered to be your private wrestling coach I should have known.

Sorry Kenny. Here to hoping Sullivan broke some shackles too!

The pocket and accuracy issues go back to college. You can’t blame those on this shitty offense or Matt Canada. The solution is for the Steelers to realize they made a mistake and start looking for replacements. Kenny has played 7 years of college/pro football and 6 have been pretty much awful.

[LakecrestSteeler]

^ that.

You know how common this is? How many guys come into the league after kicking ass at QB for 3-4 years in the college ranks and don’t do a damn thing in the pros? Is the best of the very best on defense. As B2B said there is no shame in not being able to excel at the pro level.

Now, way over-drafting Pickett given he wasn’t a good prospect coming out of college and relied heavily on bloated stats from his 5th year at Pitt? A GM on his way out the door drafts a guy from the same university that Dan Marino went to in 1980?

Plenty of shame to go around for that!

True…Conversely, you know how many FBHOF QBs couldn’t hack a new OC’s scheme and philosophy? That list is short.

I hit the reset button on KP and he has the remainder of the season to wash off the stink. Chances are he will get injured and fade into the Homer bush.

[955876]

A GM on his way out the door drafts a guy from the same university that Dan Marino went to in 1980?

PR Pickett…

[Steelperch]

A GM on his way out the door drafts a guy from the same university that Dan Marino went to in 1980?

PR Pickett…

Alex Van Pelt
Nathan Peterman
Tom Savage

Pickett is similar to the most recent Pitt QBs to be drafted

[langer]

If Kenny was under pressure before, the old Uncle Fester headclamp got tighter.

Maybe he doesn't feel it, or know it's happening.

I give it one series.

[Obviously]

Let’s not slander the good name of Brock Purdy by putting him in the same sentence as Kenny Pickett ever again. That ship has long since sailed.

Dear President of Brock Purdy Anti-Defamation League,

I chose my words carefully…I did not mention accuracy or pocket presence. I am now in the Kenny Pickett was a victim of football malpractice camp.

He may be permanently damaged and beyond hope and repair. I will root for a Rocky Balboa rehab thru the end of season. A deprogramming and then reprogramming, then hope for screen passes, then flare passes, then shallow curls, then 15 yard outs, then post, flag and go routes by the PLAYOFFS?

Much of the stink on Kenny is coaching related. Reversible in NFL time? Remains to seen.

Mike Tomlin’s apologies should go something like this:

Sorry Kenny for letting you be an alter boy. I should have recognized the signs. When Padre asked you to come help with 10pm daily mass I should have known. When you started getting $500 allowance from Padre I should have known. When Padre started taking you only to overnight Steeler games I should have known. When Padre volunteered to be your private wrestling coach I should have known.

Sorry Kenny. Here to hoping Sullivan broke some shackles too!

Shitty analogy and of course you'd have been banned if you used Muslim instead of Catholic.

[RemoAZ]

Well a former college/NFL QB that now gets paid to analyze players thinks he still has a chance to be decent. I'm going to wait and see if the offense looks any better with different people running it even though the message board experts here say he sucks and are actively rooting against him. Does that mean I wouldn't draft a QB high if there's one with plus arm talent that falls to us? Hell no. We already know the two guys behind Kenny aren't worth a damn which is another reason to hope he can be salvaged.

[Steel Bingo]

Pickett has shown a toughness and a will that has not been applauded enough.

Good bet that the game plan will still be to run the ball. Fortunately, the Stillers have been improving in that area. As long as that continues, then KP will get some opportunities to showcase his ability to throw the ball (whatever ability that may be) under more ideal circumstances.

[langer]

He’s probably doing a lot better than Malik Willis would have under these circumstances.

[BethlehemSteel]

I think all the headshots have made him scared

He’s had what 2-3 that we know …

Only he can rescue himself and challenge himself to be a good QB, If he can’t, then he can walk and the lower leagues await

Cliff Stoudt 2

[the-other-burg]

I can certainly buy into what Orlovsky is preaching about young QBs with defensive-focused head coaches. The evidence supports that. Kenny is definitely playing not to turn the ball over, and with each game he's gotten more and more conservative. The second half of last year we saw a different type of player at QB.

The question is, how much of that is on Kenny and his limitations. And for the part that wasnt on Kenny, can he unlearn it.

As other's have said my biggest concern with Kenny isnt his arm, its his processing. I hope to God this offense opens up a bit and we get to see if Kenny can make quick progressions and throw into space. Interceptions will be an unfortunate but necessary casualty, all young QBs throw them. I almost wish he'd taken more chances and thrown more so that he was further along on that learning curve.

[SteelPro]

I’ve seen enough of Pickett to make my judgment that I think he sucks. With that said I want the Steelers to keep rolling with him, I hope the OC change helps, and I hope he proves me wrong. I’m still rooting for him. He’s got to the end of the season to show me something.

[Thrillsseeker]

I mean people keep going back to “well Purdy & Brady didn’t have the biggest arms and they’ve been successful” without mentioning that they are two of the quickest processors I’ve ever seen and just have “it” in spades. If Kenny had shown any of that, I’d buy the argument of “well in a better scheme he could be Purdy”.

Honest question since I don’t have the football IQ that you and some here do………was the Pre-season success just merely defenses not scheming, or were they running different plays on O?

[Smashmouth21]

KP8 will have his chance to prove it was right to blame Canada. I’m still cautiously optimistic that this is the change that was needed but KP8 will have to show something to turn his season around.

[Steelperch]

I mean people keep going back to “well Purdy & Brady didn’t have the biggest arms and they’ve been successful” without mentioning that they are two of the quickest processors I’ve ever seen and just have “it” in spades. If Kenny had shown any of that, I’d buy the argument of “well in a better scheme he could be Purdy”.

Honest question since I don’t have the football IQ that you and some here do………was the Pre-season success just merely defenses not scheming, or were they running different plays on O?

Most teams are extra vanilla running base defenses. Most teams rested their star players and a lot of starters. Canada and Tomlin coached like it was the Super Bowl, whether trying to build confidence for the season or just to pound their chest about winning games, they took it way more serious than most. Go back and watch those games, they were even way more aggressive with the play calls than they have been since it counted for real.

[955876]

Go back and watch those games, they were even way more aggressive with the play calls than they have been since it counted for real.

So saw what worked well and then did the opposite when it counted?

I guess when it’s real is when we start living in our fears.

Didn’t KP hit Muth with a nice lil dart in the preseason??

When was the last time they ran that play?

I dunno. I’m asking.

[bradshaw2ben]

I mean people keep going back to “well Purdy & Brady didn’t have the biggest arms and they’ve been successful” without mentioning that they are two of the quickest processors I’ve ever seen and just have “it” in spades. If Kenny had shown any of that, I’d buy the argument of “well in a better scheme he could be Purdy”.

Honest question since I don’t have the football IQ that you and some here do………was the Pre-season success just merely defenses not scheming, or were they running different plays on O?

Most teams are extra vanilla running base defenses. Most teams rested their star players and a lot of starters. Canada and Tomlin coached like it was the Super Bowl, whether trying to build confidence for the season or just to pound their chest about winning games, they took it way more serious than most. Go back and watch those games, they were even way more aggressive with the play calls than they have been since it counted for real.

And they might as well have been playing 7 vs 7 against air. No pass rush, soft coverage, playing vs 2nd and 3rd stringers... I'd have been really worried if they didn't look like something during the preseason.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Honest question since I don’t have the football IQ that you and some here do………was the Pre-season success just merely defenses not scheming, or were they running different plays on O?

Most teams are extra vanilla running base defenses. Most teams rested their star players and a lot of starters. Canada and Tomlin coached like it was the Super Bowl, whether trying to build confidence for the season or just to pound their chest about winning games, they took it way more serious than most. Go back and watch those games, they were even way more aggressive with the play calls than they have been since it counted for real.

And they might as well have been playing 7 vs 7 against air. No pass rush, soft coverage, playing vs 2nd and 3rd stringers... I'd have been really worried if they didn't look like something during the preseason.

I’d also add that the majority of Steeler fans have not watched a preseason game with serious intent to determine if the QB was going to cut it since Malone/Stoudt era perhaps? Every QB since Stoudt/Malone has been milquetoast and/or had unrecognizable improvements in talent from the prior QB until Ben. And when Ben showed in his first preseason, most were looking at Tommy Gun. When Ben was starter in preseason everyone already knew he was awesome from his rookie campaign. Nobody gave a hoot about Ben’s backups.

KP is really the first Steeler QB to be under the serious microscope in a long long time by average fans IMHO.

[zeke5123]

1. Brady in his prime actually had a pretty damn good arm; much better than Lil Ken. Some of this is evidence by pedigree. Brady was recruited by UM. Pickett was an after thought coming into college. Brady also had a better career at Michigan albeit didn’t have the one standout season Pickett did as a fifth year player.

2. Pickett has below average accuracy. He misses four to five throws a game an NFL QB makes. Purdy and Brady have (or had) league leading accuracy.

3. So you have a guy in Pickett who has an okay arm (he ain’t Joh Elway) combined with below average accuracy, shitty ability to navigate the pocket, limited ability to read a defense, and not great pedigree. Why does anyone think he’ll be good?

4. I’m sure Dan O sees a lot of himself in Pickett. O probably still thinks “if only I had good coaching I wouldn’t have ran out of the back of the EZ like a total loser”

[jebrick]

Let’s not slander the good name of Brock Purdy by putting him in the same sentence as Kenny Pickett ever again. That ship has long since sailed.

Oh bullshit. WTF does McChicken know?? He is just a RB. You could put any QB on the 49ers and they too would lead the league.

KP’s numbers would be so damn good if he was on the 49ers they’d have to create a separate category for such elevated stats.

Did you even watch him in the preseason? He was dropping DIMES on those vanilla defenses that weren’t game planning.

KP is going to take a giant shit on all you pretend GMs.

Book it…

You forgot to add the Gorrillas and footballs.

[jebrick]

Well a former college/NFL QB that now gets paid to analyze players thinks he still has a chance to be decent. I'm going to wait and see if the offense looks any better with different people running it even though the message board experts here say he sucks and are actively rooting against him. Does that mean I wouldn't draft a QB high if there's one with plus arm talent that falls to us? Hell no. We already know the two guys behind Kenny aren't worth a damn which is another reason to hope he can be salvaged.

It will not in one week. A major issue with the offense is that they run one play from one formation and one set of personnel. That is why teams call out what is coming. Until they start making a NFL playbook vs a small town HS playbook, I do not care who is calling the plays.

[K_C_]

I mean people keep going back to “well Purdy & Brady didn’t have the biggest arms and they’ve been successful” without mentioning that they are two of the quickest processors I’ve ever seen and just have “it” in spades. If Kenny had shown any of that, I’d buy the argument of “well in a better scheme he could be Purdy”.

Purdy, again, has elite weapons at every position and an elite o-line....oh yeah, and the best, most innovative play caller/designer in the fucking league.

Once a few of those guys got hurt and the pass rush started getting to Brock's ass a whole lot faster, his incredible computer-like ability to process went away.

Now that those guys are back, Brock looks like a world beater. Playing on the best team in football with absolutely no weaknesses.

[R_S]

I expect the offense to come out guns a blazin on fire this weekend and put up 14 to 17 points. It's a new era!

[SteelerDayTrader]

I expect the offense to come out guns a blazin on fire this weekend and put up 14 to 17 points. It's a new era!

[955876]

I mean people keep going back to “well Purdy & Brady didn’t have the biggest arms and they’ve been successful” without mentioning that they are two of the quickest processors I’ve ever seen and just have “it” in spades. If Kenny had shown any of that, I’d buy the argument of “well in a better scheme he could be Purdy”.

Purdy, again, has elite weapons at every position and an elite o-line....oh yeah, and the best, most innovative play caller/designer in the fucking league.

Once a few of those guys got hurt and the pass rush started getting to Brock's ass a whole lot faster, his incredible computer-like ability to process went away.

Now that those guys are back, Brock looks like a world beater. Playing on the best team in football with absolutely no weaknesses.

So I'll ask again and you'll likely ignore again.

If PR Pickett was somehow on the 49ers would he also be leading the league in every QB metric going?

I mean, it is ALL cast and coaches right. Even though 49ers players dispute that and ummm the #3 QB taken in the draft was kicked to the curb because he couldn't run the Niners offense effectively.

[955876]

Let’s not slander the good name of Brock Purdy by putting him in the same sentence as Kenny Pickett ever again. That ship has long since sailed.

Oh bullshit. WTF does McChicken know?? He is just a RB. You could put any QB on the 49ers and they too would lead the league.

KP’s numbers would be so damn good if he was on the 49ers they’d have to create a separate category for such elevated stats.

Did you even watch him in the preseason? He was dropping DIMES on those vanilla defenses that weren’t game planning.

KP is going to take a giant shit on all you pretend GMs.

Book it…

You forgot to add the Gorrillas and footballs.

My post was channeling my inner KC, not STD.