Kozora Tweet…Pickett’s injury is “serious”…will miss “extended period of time”

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Re: Kozora Tweet…Pickett’s injury is “serious”…will miss “extended period of time”

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Post by gojira5150 » Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:24 pm

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Wait, so you went from a shit game to a shit game?

😉
LOL. Just was trying to level up in MP. I've been playing Spider-Man & Lords of the Falling
I get it. I hate the COD games over the last few years because they’ve ruined Zombies. MP is so terrible I can’t stick with it long enough to give a shit. MWIII is iseless without a team/squad to go in with.

Game on! 👍🏻👍🏻
I agree about COD MWIII. Funny thing is this is the 1st COD I've played in over 10 years. My son wanted me to play so I got it. Hit detection is Atrocious It's like I'm firing marshmallows and them .50 Cal rds
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Post by stillthere » Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:06 am

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Every QB misses open guys


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l6JQ3MQkTlE

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Post by 955876 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:58 am

They sure do.

But in those clips the QBs were at least trying to throw to open receivers.

KP doesn’t know where they are half the time. His tape is full of wide ass open guys he completely ignores.

Why you can’t blame his cast. The plays have been there.

He doesn’t hit them nearly enough. Evidenced by his historically bad production.

I thought the “we had a 1st round grade” shit about Rudolph was just a post draft puff piece to elevate the guy.

After seeing Pickett perform well below the line (if you will) after being taken in the 1st I’ve realized they were serious bout Rudolph.
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Post by Thrillsseeker » Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:35 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:24 pm
Thrillsseeker wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:16 pm
gojira5150 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:08 pm


LOL. Just was trying to level up in MP. I've been playing Spider-Man & Lords of the Falling
I get it. I hate the COD games over the last few years because they’ve ruined Zombies. MP is so terrible I can’t stick with it long enough to give a shit. MWIII is iseless without a team/squad to go in with.

Game on! 👍🏻👍🏻
I agree about COD MWIII. Funny thing is this is the 1st COD I've played in over 10 years. My son wanted me to play so I got it. Hit detection is Atrocious It's like I'm firing marshmallows and them .50 Cal rds
Right on.

Miss the days of me and my boy gaming right next to each other. He took his rig/desk etc to his bedroom a few years ago.

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Post by jeemie » Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:14 pm

955876 wrote:
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They sure do.

But in those clips the QBs were at least trying to throw to open receivers.

KP doesn’t know where they are half the time. His tape is full of wide ass open guys he completely ignores.

Why you can’t blame his cast. The plays have been there.

He doesn’t hit them nearly enough. Evidenced by his historically bad production.

I thought the “we had a 1st round grade” shit about Rudolph was just a post draft puff piece to elevate the guy.

After seeing Pickett perform well below the line (if you will) after being taken in the 1st I’ve realized they were serious bout Rudolph.
I saw a video yesterday I have to try and find again.

There was a guy that made an astute point. He thinks Kenny Pickett hardly EVER reads the field…even when it looks like he’s doing it, he’s really not...instead he’s trying to eye fake the defense into getting off his primary read.

His evidence is that nine times out of ten when Pickett does appear to be scanning around, he still comes back to whoever he was looking at first. Even when he glances at another guy who is wide open, he will ignore that guy and go back to the primary read…indicating he’s not really seeing anything on the field.

On the play he got hurt, he did the same thing…he actually did briefly glance towards Pickens’ and Austin’s side…then went right back to the other side of the field.

I believe this. I think for whatever reason, KP isn’t reading anything…he is simply a first read then run guy.

And whether it’s coaching or it’s him…he has not progressed beyond this.
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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:25 pm

jeemie wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:14 pm
955876 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:58 am
They sure do.

But in those clips the QBs were at least trying to throw to open receivers.

KP doesn’t know where they are half the time. His tape is full of wide ass open guys he completely ignores.

Why you can’t blame his cast. The plays have been there.

He doesn’t hit them nearly enough. Evidenced by his historically bad production.

I thought the “we had a 1st round grade” shit about Rudolph was just a post draft puff piece to elevate the guy.

After seeing Pickett perform well below the line (if you will) after being taken in the 1st I’ve realized they were serious bout Rudolph.
I saw a video yesterday I have to try and find again.

There was a guy that made an astute point. He thinks Kenny Pickett hardly EVER reads the field…even when it looks like he’s doing it, he’s really not...instead he’s trying to eye fake the defense into getting off his primary read.

His evidence is that nine times out of ten when Pickett does appear to be scanning around, he still comes back to whoever he was looking at first. Even when he glances at another guy who is wide open, he will ignore that guy and go back to the primary read…indicating he’s not really seeing anything on the field.

On the play he got hurt, he did the same thing…he actually did briefly glance towards Pickens’ and Austin’s side…then went right back to the other side of the field.

I believe this. I think for whatever reason, KP isn’t reading anything…he is simply a first read then run guy.

And whether it’s coaching or it’s him…he has not progressed beyond this.
I think it was in the All 22 video that langer posted. The guy narrating the video showed examples (and I think referenced past videos) that show exactly that. He isn’t scanning the field or making decisions based on what he sees once the play starts. He will literally look in the direction of an OPEN GUY then go back to his predetermined read and either 1) throw to that guy or 2) spin/freak out and bail on what can be a clean pocket.

My hope is that Mitch can at least pounce on the opportunity he has here and start hitting those open guys. Even if Mitch is a two read then look to run guy, it’s still more than Kenny is doing.

Kenny is not improving. Period.
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Post by chippedhamsandwich » Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:40 pm

Mitch is going to throw 1 TD a game and 2-3 INTS.

Mark it down Donny

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:06 pm

jeemie wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:14 pm
955876 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:58 am
They sure do.

But in those clips the QBs were at least trying to throw to open receivers.

KP doesn’t know where they are half the time. His tape is full of wide ass open guys he completely ignores.

Why you can’t blame his cast. The plays have been there.

He doesn’t hit them nearly enough. Evidenced by his historically bad production.

I thought the “we had a 1st round grade” shit about Rudolph was just a post draft puff piece to elevate the guy.

After seeing Pickett perform well below the line (if you will) after being taken in the 1st I’ve realized they were serious bout Rudolph.
I saw a video yesterday I have to try and find again.

There was a guy that made an astute point. He thinks Kenny Pickett hardly EVER reads the field…even when it looks like he’s doing it, he’s really not...instead he’s trying to eye fake the defense into getting off his primary read.

His evidence is that nine times out of ten when Pickett does appear to be scanning around, he still comes back to whoever he was looking at first. Even when he glances at another guy who is wide open, he will ignore that guy and go back to the primary read…indicating he’s not really seeing anything on the field.

On the play he got hurt, he did the same thing…he actually did briefly glance towards Pickens’ and Austin’s side…then went right back to the other side of the field.

I believe this. I think for whatever reason, KP isn’t reading anything…he is simply a first read then run guy.

And whether it’s coaching or it’s him…he has not progressed beyond this.
Yeah, well, we’ve making this point since week 1 this year. He’s getting a predetermined read and locking onto it, completely disregarding what happens post snap. Worse, on the Austin goal line play, he didn’t even look at the predetermined read!

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Post by langer » Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:28 pm

This is the vid with the all-22. He really looks like shit.

He's probably relieved he got hurt. Never seems to be engaged in the game, going through motions. No fire. None.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGMBdrW1XgI
"We, as an offensive collective were off today, and certainly, he's a component of that,"

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Post by Jobu » Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:45 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:25 pm
jeemie wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:14 pm
955876 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:58 am
They sure do.

But in those clips the QBs were at least trying to throw to open receivers.

KP doesn’t know where they are half the time. His tape is full of wide ass open guys he completely ignores.

Why you can’t blame his cast. The plays have been there.

He doesn’t hit them nearly enough. Evidenced by his historically bad production.

I thought the “we had a 1st round grade” shit about Rudolph was just a post draft puff piece to elevate the guy.

After seeing Pickett perform well below the line (if you will) after being taken in the 1st I’ve realized they were serious bout Rudolph.
I saw a video yesterday I have to try and find again.

There was a guy that made an astute point. He thinks Kenny Pickett hardly EVER reads the field…even when it looks like he’s doing it, he’s really not...instead he’s trying to eye fake the defense into getting off his primary read.

His evidence is that nine times out of ten when Pickett does appear to be scanning around, he still comes back to whoever he was looking at first. Even when he glances at another guy who is wide open, he will ignore that guy and go back to the primary read…indicating he’s not really seeing anything on the field.

On the play he got hurt, he did the same thing…he actually did briefly glance towards Pickens’ and Austin’s side…then went right back to the other side of the field.

I believe this. I think for whatever reason, KP isn’t reading anything…he is simply a first read then run guy.

And whether it’s coaching or it’s him…he has not progressed beyond this.
I think it was in the All 22 video that langer posted. The guy narrating the video showed examples (and I think referenced past videos) that show exactly that. He isn’t scanning the field or making decisions based on what he sees once the play starts. He will literally look in the direction of an OPEN GUY then go back to his predetermined read and either 1) throw to that guy or 2) spin/freak out and bail on what can be a clean pocket.

My hope is that Mitch can at least pounce on the opportunity he has here and start hitting those open guys. Even if Mitch is a two read then look to run guy, it’s still more than Kenny is doing.

Kenny is not improving. Period.
Yep. Kenny is a one read guy. I mentioned this last season, but was told I was wrong because people noticed he was looking at other options. But it’s becoming more and more obvious. He’s trying to look off his primary, but he has zero intention of going anywhere else. He is determining his target pre-snap, and that’s where he goes no matter what.
He’s a one read QB, that panics at the slightest sign of pressure.
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Post by DP39 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:55 pm

jeemie wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:14 pm
955876 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:58 am
They sure do.

But in those clips the QBs were at least trying to throw to open receivers.

KP doesn’t know where they are half the time. His tape is full of wide ass open guys he completely ignores.

Why you can’t blame his cast. The plays have been there.

He doesn’t hit them nearly enough. Evidenced by his historically bad production.

I thought the “we had a 1st round grade” shit about Rudolph was just a post draft puff piece to elevate the guy.

After seeing Pickett perform well below the line (if you will) after being taken in the 1st I’ve realized they were serious bout Rudolph.
I saw a video yesterday I have to try and find again.

There was a guy that made an astute point. He thinks Kenny Pickett hardly EVER reads the field…even when it looks like he’s doing it, he’s really not...instead he’s trying to eye fake the defense into getting off his primary read.

His evidence is that nine times out of ten when Pickett does appear to be scanning around, he still comes back to whoever he was looking at first. Even when he glances at another guy who is wide open, he will ignore that guy and go back to the primary read…indicating he’s not really seeing anything on the field.

On the play he got hurt, he did the same thing…he actually did briefly glance towards Pickens’ and Austin’s side…then went right back to the other side of the field.

I believe this. I think for whatever reason, KP isn’t reading anything…he is simply a first read then run guy.

And whether it’s coaching or it’s him…he has not progressed beyond this.
He's mainly right about KP. It's my belief that this O coaching staff (due to MT) is so simple, predictable, scared and predetermined that it literally says that in "this situation" we're doing "this", period -- with little no regard for what the D is showing them.

For example, in the red zone (inside the 10), we're going to make sure Najee gets first crack at it (if it's further out (10-15) Warren gets first crack & if it's inside the 10 then it's Naj). Then, if Najee fails, we're going to make sure Pat gets a crack at it in the middle of the end zone. KP, don't worry about reads, just run these predetermined, simple plays and if they're covered then just bail and get what you can with your legs. I truly believe they set their redzone O this way the majority of the time. They may try a rare change up/different/special (although, not the good kind of "special" :lol: ) play once every game or two -- maybe. They're so focused on singular players in certain predetermined situations that they're extremely limited (not very multiple in their planned options) and predictable in their options once down there -- and thus, have very little success. I watch a ton of other teams and they mostly all seem so much more advanced/multiple in this area. That's what my eyes see, at least.

Can KP be more than a one read guy, I don't know for sure, but I have my doubts. If he is, and it's just an extremely piss poor O plan, then he certainly hasn't "gone off the reservation" much yet, that's for sure. If I thought I was being coached by idiots, I know I would have taken my career into my own hands by now and said, "F these idiots, I'm improvising"!

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Post by langer » Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:24 pm

"He fires the offensive coordinator and keeps the defensive coordinator," Bradshaw said. "Now, I don't know the reason behind that, I've asked a few people and they're as puzzled as I am. I don't know why you fire the offensive coordinator, who gave you 42 points, and you kept the defense, unless you just thought you don't really need an offensive coordinator, anyone can run that offense. So I'll fire him, I'll make the change there, and everybody will look and, go, well he's made some hard changes. But on offense? ... I'd fire that defensive coordinator, pack his ass out the highway, and I'd go find me somebody else who can do the job. I just don't understand that at all."
"We, as an offensive collective were off today, and certainly, he's a component of that,"

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Post by 955876 » Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:50 pm

Can KP be more than a one read guy
So evidently all those puff pieces bout PR Pickett being the “most NFL ready QB” was more horseshit being pushed by this org.
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Post by langer » Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:02 pm

955876 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:50 pm
Can KP be more than a one read guy
So evidently all those puff pieces bout PR Pickett being the “most NFL ready QB” was more horseshit being pushed by this org.


Well, I mean, it works.
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Post by tbsteel » Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:04 am

jeemie wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:14 pm
955876 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:58 am
They sure do.

But in those clips the QBs were at least trying to throw to open receivers.

KP doesn’t know where they are half the time. His tape is full of wide ass open guys he completely ignores.

Why you can’t blame his cast. The plays have been there.

He doesn’t hit them nearly enough. Evidenced by his historically bad production.

I thought the “we had a 1st round grade” shit about Rudolph was just a post draft puff piece to elevate the guy.

After seeing Pickett perform well below the line (if you will) after being taken in the 1st I’ve realized they were serious bout Rudolph.
I saw a video yesterday I have to try and find again.

There was a guy that made an astute point. He thinks Kenny Pickett hardly EVER reads the field…even when it looks like he’s doing it, he’s really not...instead he’s trying to eye fake the defense into getting off his primary read.

His evidence is that nine times out of ten when Pickett does appear to be scanning around, he still comes back to whoever he was looking at first. Even when he glances at another guy who is wide open, he will ignore that guy and go back to the primary read…indicating he’s not really seeing anything on the field.

On the play he got hurt, he did the same thing…he actually did briefly glance towards Pickens’ and Austin’s side…then went right back to the other side of the field.

I believe this. I think for whatever reason, KP isn’t reading anything…he is simply a first read then run guy.

And whether it’s coaching or it’s him…he has not progressed beyond this.

Fantastic post and I think that's exactly on point.

Oh btw, Kenny has now thrown for 0 passing TDs in 52% of his games. I don't care if your backup is legally blind, you have to make a change. Hopefully Mitch plays better than the abortion of a quarterback season Kenny just gave us.
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Post by 955876 » Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:35 am

Kenny has now thrown for 0 passing TDs in 52% of his games.
We’ve been told by several meatheads here that doesn’t matter.

I mean, sure, you can get away with your QB not putting up TDs if you have a league leading rushing attack that is piling up points.

We don’t have that either. Why the run game has been strong, it has t led to a lot of points.

It’s kind of important to have rushing AND passing TDs to compete for a championship.

If however your goal is to squeak into the playoffs with a historically bad offense then ya, it doesn’t matter.
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Post by Stlcrtn1974 » Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:13 am

langer wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:24 pm
"He fires the offensive coordinator and keeps the defensive coordinator," Bradshaw said. "Now, I don't know the reason behind that, I've asked a few people and they're as puzzled as I am. I don't know why you fire the offensive coordinator, who gave you 42 points, and you kept the defense, unless you just thought you don't really need an offensive coordinator, anyone can run that offense. So I'll fire him, I'll make the change there, and everybody will look and, go, well he's made some hard changes. But on offense? ... I'd fire that defensive coordinator, pack his ass out the highway, and I'd go find me somebody else who can do the job. I just don't understand that at all."
Didn't he question Tomlin as a coach too?
It's actually smart of Tomlin to do what he is doing, he never gets the blame. It's always the coordinator, never him. I fell like I have been watching the same shitty thing for the last 10+ years. I honestly feel if Tomlin was white he would of been gone by now. How would it look for the founders of the Rooney Rule to fire a black head coach, even though it would be 100% warranted.

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Post by DP39 » Thu Dec 07, 2023 2:24 pm

Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:13 am
langer wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:24 pm
"He fires the offensive coordinator and keeps the defensive coordinator," Bradshaw said. "Now, I don't know the reason behind that, I've asked a few people and they're as puzzled as I am. I don't know why you fire the offensive coordinator, who gave you 42 points, and you kept the defense, unless you just thought you don't really need an offensive coordinator, anyone can run that offense. So I'll fire him, I'll make the change there, and everybody will look and, go, well he's made some hard changes. But on offense? ... I'd fire that defensive coordinator, pack his ass out the highway, and I'd go find me somebody else who can do the job. I just don't understand that at all."
Didn't he question Tomlin as a coach too?
It's actually smart of Tomlin to do what he is doing, he never gets the blame. It's always the coordinator, never him. I fell like I have been watching the same shitty thing for the last 10+ years. I honestly feel if Tomlin was white he would of been gone by now. How would it look for the founders of the Rooney Rule AND the Chairman of the NFL’s Workplace Diversity Committee :shock: to fire a black head coach, even though it would be 100% warranted.
Great points, and I fixed it for you.

In all seriousness, I don't care if we have the [insert any color-est] coaching staff in the NFL; I really don't. ALL I care about is that we have the SMART-EST coaching staff in the league. Sadly we have one of the dumbest. I know I'm certainly not the smartest guy in the room, so if I can see this clear as day, then most anyone else, without an agenda that is, can see it as well.

Count our Steelers as just another shining example of "the dumbing down of America" that's been going on for a while now. Thanks Rooney -- you F-ing tool.

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