Round 1 pick: Kenny Pickett

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Re: Round 1 pick: Kenny Pickett

Post by Havoc » Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:19 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:09 pm
Havoc wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:34 pm
"the Steelers opted to go for Pickett, who Mike Tomlin said has the highest floor"

https://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-st ... -selection

If QB floor is a concern save the pick and sign a solid safe proven vet QB.
They did.
I know (potentially). Many thought we caught Trubisky at the right time and he would be pretty good for us.

Trubisky + the most NFL ready highest floor QB in the draft smacks of NHALS

Having said that...

I'll be hoping Pickett turns into Joe Montana!!!
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Post by jebrick » Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:43 pm

With the draft of Pickett, I am guessing that Hunt will be the new GM so we can have no possible new ideas in the room.
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Post by Kodiak. » Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:06 pm

Optimistic take: Colbert wouldn't stain an otherwise stellar career taking Pickett on his way out the door unless he was absolutely sure he'll be good

Pessimistic take: A string of guys drafted to become a backup are basically out of the league. And then you have Rudolph, drafted to be a potential starter who is, at best, an OK backup. This means Pickett's ceiling might be decent backup/bottom tier starter.
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Post by anpsteel » Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:46 pm

jebrick wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:43 pm
With the draft of Pickett, I am guessing that Hunt will be the new GM so we can have no possible new ideas in the room.
This is both hilarious and sad

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Post by the-other-burg » Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:58 pm

Really says something that the QB ranked ahead of him (Willis) was picked at #86.

...And by something I mean there were no good QBs in this draft. But at least they picked the guy with the highest floor, playing not to lose.

Ceiling Mitch Trubisky / floor Mason Rudolph.

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Post by anpsteel » Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:13 pm

Well they just drafted another qb, so it’s almost a certainty Rudolph isn’t making the team

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Post by jebrick » Sun May 01, 2022 4:26 pm

Pickett was the most ready to start. It does not mean he will beat our Trubisky but he was more polished ( as a 4 year starter) than any of the others.
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Sun May 01, 2022 4:36 pm

jebrick wrote:
Sun May 01, 2022 4:26 pm
Pickett was the most ready to start. It does not mean he will beat our Trubisky but he was more polished ( as a 4 year starter) than any of the others.
I don’t believe they draft KP unless they truly believe he can beat out MT. Whether he can we’re going to find out soon.
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Post by Steel Bingo » Sun May 01, 2022 4:48 pm

Granted I haven't watch much of him live, but just looking at his statistics from this past season my favorite thing about Pickett is his TD / Int ratio - 42 / 7. That suggests a player who can make plays, but also doesn't force stuff.

If that aspect of his game will translate onto the field for the Steelers, then he should have a real shot to be the team's starting quarterback at some point this season. His selection grows on me the more I analyze it.

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Post by tbsteel » Mon May 02, 2022 4:37 pm

I'm not a Pitt football fan, or really a big college football fan in general rather than watching Kentucky, but I went back and watched a few condensed games of Kenny's from last year and just have some initial thoughts.

The good:

- Really great accuracy on the run. No one is ever going to be perfect in that regard, but when he's on the move he was consistently making impressive throws and hitting WRs in stride. To me, that's just something natural/innate that I'm not sure you can teach.

- Overall, I was impressed with his accuracy. His short to intermediate accuracy was really a strength, and he showed pretty solid deep ball placement. He occasionally will miss high, or if he was on the move some throws would be low, but overall, really nice. When he sets his feet and fires it's consistent.

- Natural athlete. He'll consistently make defenders miss in one-on-one free rushes.

- There weren't many easy throws in his offense. This was pretty shocking to me considering how the college game has evolved, but Pitt's offense looked pretty pro compatible. Granted, like any QB he would occasionally benefit from some nice YAC plays, especially from Addison, but he earned those yards and completion % compared to the easy manufactured designed plays that the Big 12 is consistently hated on for.

- He does have a certain "it" factor. You can see that the dude is a gamer and is a guy who his teammates will run through a brick wall. He's not afraid to make throws. If it's 3rd and 20 he's not scared of making a tough throw down the field rather than the Alex Smith/Andy Dalton protect my stats dump off.

- His arm looks better than I thought it would. He's not Josh Allen, but he's no Mason Rudolph either.

The bad:

- His pocket poise is pretty awful. He bails way too quickly and will break outside when he could just make a step or two forward up into the pocket to buy and extra second or two to find a receiver or run up field. I think this is something QBs can improve from, and some QBs go through bouts where I call it "seeing ghosts" where they're so ate up by the rush that they lose their poise too quickly even though when the rush isn't really getting to them (I'm reminded of Big Ben in the regular season in 2008 where he went through a spell like that).

- He throws off his back foot way too often. Subsequently, this does lead to high misses, which is not good since high passes = INTs.

- There are times where it looks like he trusts his arm too much. He's not afraid to throw into tight windows, but there are some plays where if he had better arm talent he'd probably get away with a certain throw, whereas since he doesn't have a great arm it it gives that defender an extra half second to make a play.

- Going to be 24 in a month. Historically tiny hands. Probable tiny pee pee.
*roots for losses*

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Post by DP39 » Mon May 02, 2022 4:45 pm

tbsteel wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 4:37 pm
I'm not a Pitt football fan, or really a big college football fan in general rather than watching Kentucky, but I went back and watched a few condensed games of Kenny's from last year and just have some initial thoughts.

The good:

- Really great accuracy on the run. No one is ever going to be perfect in that regard, but when he's on the move he was consistently making impressive throws and hitting WRs in stride. To me, that's just something natural/innate that I'm not sure you can teach.

- Overall, I was impressed with his accuracy. His short to intermediate accuracy was really a strength, and he showed pretty solid deep ball placement. He occasionally will miss high, or if he was on the move some throws would be low, but overall, really nice. When he sets his feet and fires it's consistent.

- Natural athlete. He'll consistently make defenders miss in one-on-one free rushes.

- There weren't many easy throws in his offense. This was pretty shocking to me considering how the college game has evolved, but Pitt's offense looked pretty pro compatible. Granted, like any QB he would occasionally benefit from some nice YAC plays, especially from Addison, but he earned those yards and completion % compared to the easy manufactured designed plays that the Big 12 is consistently hated on for.

- He does have a certain "it" factor. You can see that the dude is a gamer and is a guy who his teammates will run through a brick wall. He's not afraid to make throws. If it's 3rd and 20 he's not scared of making a tough throw down the field rather than the Alex Smith/Andy Dalton protect my stats dump off.

- His arm looks better than I thought it would. He's not Josh Allen, but he's no Mason Rudolph either.

The bad:

- His pocket poise is pretty awful. He bails way too quickly and will break outside when he could just make a step or two forward up into the pocket to buy and extra second or two to find a receiver or run up field. I think this is something QBs can improve from, and some QBs go through bouts where I call it "seeing ghosts" where they're so ate up by the rush that they lose their poise too quickly even though when the rush isn't really getting to them (I'm reminded of Big Ben in the regular season in 2008 where he went through a spell like that).

- He throws off his back foot way too often. Subsequently, this does lead to high misses, which is not good since high passes = INTs.

- There are times where it looks like he trusts his arm too much. He's not afraid to throw into tight windows, but there are some plays where if he had better arm talent he'd probably get away with a certain throw, whereas since he doesn't have a great arm it it gives that defender an extra half second to make a play.

- Going to be 24 in a month. Historically tiny hands. Probable tiny pee pee.
Thanks for the THOROUGH :lol: KP breakdown.

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Post by Steelperch » Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:56 pm

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Post by Steeldrama » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:04 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:44 pm
Usually when I watch the draft I do it with the HOPE a player l want falls to the Steelers.

In 2004, after the Eli/Rivers trade, Suwanee88 and I sat in his Steelers’ mancave hanging on every pick HOPING Ben Roethlisberger would fall to the Steelers.
YES!!! BiG FREAKIN BEN!!!
Such an enjoyable approach to watching the draft especially since the Steelers got our man.

Sometimes the HOPING a player falls doesn’t have such a great outcome.
In 2002, I held my breath on every pick HOPING Ed Reed would fall to the Steelers.
Dammit
Skunked by the Ravens

So last night the draft for me started with Carolina at pick 6.
“Ok Rhule spurn those OT’s for your boy Kenny P!”
Dammit
Ickey a solid pick

So at pick 8 my transplant hometown Falcons could use a qb.
Malik Willis an Atlanta kid.
For the love of Home Depot please take him.
Dammit
A wide receiver (Shit-off stupid)

Saints traded up!
Y’all can’t go marching in with Jameis!
Dammit
Another freakin WR

So on it went instead of HOPING a couple players I liked fell to the Steelers, I instead HOPED a team would take a couple players I didn’t like.

Pick 20 painfully arrives with the whole league knowing this is a shitty qb class.
Tombert has their pick of a subpar litter.
Only remote drama left was which of the subpar qbs would they take
Dammit
Kenny Freakin Pickett

I’ve been watching the draft since 1987 and that’s the first time I ever had that mindset watching a draft.
IT absolutely SUCKED to think that way.

What will my thinking be like during next year’s draft when team after team grabs a young, stud gunslinger I want knowing full well the Steelers are all in on Kenny freakin Pickett?

All I can do now is HOPE Kenny pleasantly surprises me.

Go Kenny!
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Post by Steeldrama » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:05 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:36 am
Bust
#winner
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Post by W&M_Steeler » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:12 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:44 am
Pickett Pro Comparisons:

Kirk Cousins (Matt Miller)
Andy Dalton (Lance Zierlein)
Matt Hassleback (Daniel Jeremiah)
Derek Carr (Mel Kiper Jr / Charlie Campbell)

Pickett Pro Comparisons after year 2: Mike Tomczak; Kent Graham; Cliff Stoudt

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Post by Kodiak. » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:19 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 4:06 pm
Pessimistic take: A string of guys drafted to become a backup are basically out of the league. And then you have Rudolph, drafted to be a potential starter who is, at best, an OK backup. This means Pickett's ceiling might be decent backup/bottom tier starter.
And by "pessimistic", I meant "factual".

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Post by Orangesteel » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:39 pm

Well I was disgusted then and I’m more so now.

What a dogshit draft pick.
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Post by Steelperch » Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:47 pm

Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:11 am
Pickett may be the best QB coming out in 22 or 23 depending on what happens with Caleb Williams
Bro, delete your account :lol:

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Post by 955876 » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:04 pm

Smashmouth21 wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:59 am
Did not mortgage the future by trading up and still got the top QB prospect at 20, which hadn’t happened in decades. Not sure how folks can complain. Oh wait, this is a message board…
Do you get it now?
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Post by W&M_Steeler » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:11 pm

955876 wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:04 pm
Smashmouth21 wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:59 am
Did not mortgage the future by trading up and still got the top QB prospect at 20, which hadn’t happened in decades. Not sure how folks can complain. Oh wait, this is a message board…
Do you get it now?

It's Smashmouth, so of course he doesn't :lol: Only "lemmings" doubt Tomlin and KP.

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Post by tbsteel » Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

I hated the pick, but like a good fan was trying to be a glass half full guy and feel better about the pick, but this nails it:
tbsteel wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 4:37 pm

- His pocket poise is pretty awful. He bails way too quickly and will break outside when he could just make a step or two forward up into the pocket to buy and extra second or two to find a receiver or run up field...

He throws off his back foot way too often. Subsequently, this does lead to high misses

- Going to be 24 in a month. Historically tiny hands. Probable tiny pee pee.
*roots for losses*

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Post by RemoAZ » Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:43 pm

I feel pretty much the same as I did then. Didn't like the pick but glad it wasn't Willis. He's easy to root for and still hoping he pans out but now believe it only happens with a needed coaching change which may already be too late.
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Post by Stlcrtn1974 » Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:49 pm

It's a 50/50 guess, either he is good or he sucks. Not impressed with anyone's negative comments. Now if someone was talking about taking Purdy, then you can brag.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:34 pm

Steelperch wrote:
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:35 pm

Steelperch wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:47 pm
Dan Smith--BYU wrote:
Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:11 am
Pickett may be the best QB coming out in 22 or 23 depending on what happens with Caleb Williams
Bro, delete your account :lol:
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Post by Mick » Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:52 am

Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:49 pm
It's a 50/50 guess, either he is good or he sucks. Not impressed with anyone's negative comments. Now if someone was talking about taking Purdy, then you can brag.
people wanted matt corral instead. Or tank for bryce young.

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Post by Steeldrama » Mon Dec 11, 2023 1:16 am

Mick wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2023 12:52 am
Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:49 pm
It's a 50/50 guess, either he is good or he sucks. Not impressed with anyone's negative comments. Now if someone was talking about taking Purdy, then you can brag.
people wanted matt corral instead. Or tank for bryce young.
Who are these people?
Honestly don’t recall any pining for either player
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:42 am

W&M_Steeler wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:12 pm
Steelperch wrote:
Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:44 am
Pickett Pro Comparisons:

Kirk Cousins (Matt Miller)
Andy Dalton (Lance Zierlein)
Matt Hassleback (Daniel Jeremiah)
Derek Carr (Mel Kiper Jr / Charlie Campbell)

Pickett Pro Comparisons after year 2: Mike Tomczak; Kent Graham; Cliff Stoudt
Nailed it.

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Stlcrtn1974 wrote:
Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:49 pm
It's a 50/50 guess, either he is good or he sucks. Not impressed with anyone's negative comments. Now if someone was talking about taking Purdy, then you can brag.
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Post by Orangesteel » Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:58 am

Purdy is playing great ball.

I don’t think there is a soul walking this earth that even gave a draft grade on the kid, let alone something in depth that could predict what he’s done after two years.
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