McDermott fired in Buffalo

[jeemie]

Beane should have been the one canned. On a separate note, that was an NT all day in the Buff/Den game.

Agree Beane should’ve been the one shit canned
Douche of a human and terrible GM

Disagree about the int. Cooks entire ass literally touched the ground before the db stole the ball

Play was dead
Bills kick FG
game over

McDermott keeps his job and I’m not stuck watching Jarrett Stidham attempting to play football in a conference title game

I think the owner sees the situation where the teams window is closing quickly, and if he doesn’t make some sort of change, this opportunity will go by without a Super Bowl


In regard to the interception


The bills receiver had the ball momentarily, landed on the ground, did not make a football move or survive the ground.

As the two players rolled through the momentum, the defender came away with the ball.


By rule that is an interception

I was sitting right next to an NFL review official who explained exactly why and how

I disagreed with it at first, but understood his point.


And to people who say the, “survive the ground” and “football move”, verbiage have been removed It has not. It’s just written in a different section of the rule book

Have him explain how pretty much the exact same play happened in Rams/Bears, only there the ruling was catch because down by contact

[Mick]

For the record, i would easily take mcdermott over anyone we’ve interviewed.

[Greeksteel]

Mike McDaniel another hot name around the bills job. He'd be a great hire for them as well.

[anpsteel]

Agree Beane should’ve been the one shit canned
Douche of a human and terrible GM

Disagree about the int. Cooks entire ass literally touched the ground before the db stole the ball

Play was dead
Bills kick FG
game over

McDermott keeps his job and I’m not stuck watching Jarrett Stidham attempting to play football in a conference title game

I think the owner sees the situation where the teams window is closing quickly, and if he doesn’t make some sort of change, this opportunity will go by without a Super Bowl


In regard to the interception


The bills receiver had the ball momentarily, landed on the ground, did not make a football move or survive the ground.

As the two players rolled through the momentum, the defender came away with the ball.


By rule that is an interception

I was sitting right next to an NFL review official who explained exactly why and how

I disagreed with it at first, but understood his point.


And to people who say the, “survive the ground” and “football move”, verbiage have been removed It has not. It’s just written in a different section of the rule book

Have him explain how pretty much the exact same play happened in Rams/Bears, only there the ruling was catch because down by contact

As anyone who is at the top of their profession would, he gets a little annoyed when I question his opinion; so I don’t badger him about a bunch of shit

Here is what I perceived as the difference between the two plays

The Rams/Bears game the receiver had clear possession and was making a football move as his knee went down. The ball was stripped by the defender after the receiver was down.

The Bills Broncos situation the receiver never had clear control and did not make a football move. He was essentially on the ground while trying to gain control. During that process the ball was stripped.

The first was: catch control down strip

The second was: catch down strip control

The Bills receiver never established control, survived the ground, or made a football move.

[CKSteeler]

For the record, i would easily take mcdermott over anyone we’ve interviewed.

I actually like him, too. I don't know if he's the guy to turn things around for the Steelers, but I've been in general impressed with the way he's attacked the Steelers over the years schematically.

There is insane pressure to win it all when the media fawns over your QB and I get it Allen is great, but he's played a part in the playoff let downs at times, too. That game they lost to the Bungles? Allen definitely played a large part in it. Burrow outplayed him and was just smarter in his approach given the weather while Allen just wipped the ball down filed 20 yards on seemingly every play. Short controlled passes work better in that shit but he and the Bills refused to change it up. Just one example. In the early years, Allen was kind of a scrub and they won despite him but people don't talk about that much anymore.

Point being, I'm not some insane fan who expects my team to win it every year. The Bills have been close. I also get the other side - the frustration of not being able to break through when you have about as good of a chance as you've ever had as a franchise.

And then I'd reiterate - I'd have loved it if Tomlin had even a fraction of the pressure to win it all applied to him as some of these other guys get.

[CKSteeler]

Mike McDaniel another hot name around the bills job. He'd be a great hire for them as well.

I don't get any of the names associated with the Bills right now. I can wrap my head around the decision to move on from the guy they had, but to then go and hire retreads who didn't have any of the success the Bills have had would be absurd to me.

You pretty much have to go with an unknown or a guy who is completely proven. Like Belichick at this point may be the only retread you could really sell me on pairing with Allen to get the job done.

[Greeksteel]

Mike McDaniel another hot name around the bills job. He'd be a great hire for them as well.

I don't get any of the names associated with the Bills right now. I can wrap my head around the decision to move on from the guy they had, but to then go and hire retreads who didn't have any of the success the Bills have had would be absurd to me.

You pretty much have to go with an unknown or a guy who is completely proven. Like Belichick at this point may be the only retread you could really sell me on pairing with Allen to get the job done.

McDaniel is a bit weird but that guy is an offensive genius imo. Dolphins organization is always a gong show. I think hed be a great hire for the bills with Allen.

[steelmann58]

What up with Joe brady ?

[Dan Smith--BYU]

so now we have to hallucinate that Cook didn't have possession before and during the time he hit the ground to justify an obvious error

BTW bad refereeing is going to lead to the Steelers having a far tougher schedule next year

conversely the Bears should be pissed that it wasn't an INT if the Bills call was "correct"

[Gonzo]

His 100% refusal to Change anything is the biggest question around him IMO?

Not really a question that needs answering. Change is hard. Change is uncomfortable and requires effort. Tomlin is lazy and lives in his fears.

but he phrased it as - sorry nothing else I can do. i guess my question is - does it even cross his mind to change ?

[.Kodiak]

but he phrased it as - sorry nothing else I can do. i guess my question is - does it even cross his mind to change ?

My take would be a guy who was fat & happy and never thought he'd be fired. Didn't know what else to say.

[K_C_]

Mike McDaniel another hot name around the bills job. He'd be a great hire for them as well.

McDaniel might be a great offensive mind (maybe) but he was not in the least bit respected inside that locker room and that really doesn’t surprise me.

[Deebo]

Mike McDaniel another hot name around the bills job. He'd be a great hire for them as well.

McDaniel might be a great offensive mind (maybe) but he was not in the least bit respected inside that locker room and that really doesn’t surprise me.

Yea McDaniel to me is "Coordinator Only". Not HC material

[franco32]

For the record, i would easily take mcdermott over anyone we’ve interviewed.

I agree. McDermott is a good coach. The dirty little secret that no one likes talking about is that, aside from the miracle KC game where the Bills D allowed a 13 second drive, Josh Allen has been the one to kill their hopes. This year he was loose with the ball. Against KC last year he keep throwing it WAY DOWNFIELD instead of taking what the D gives him and getting closer to the FG.

Allen's achilles heel is his inability to temper his aggressive style when he needs too.

[bradshaw2ben]

The idea of firing McDermott and hiring Tomlin is like firing Rodgers and signing Stroud, if Stroud played for 19 years like he did yesterday.

Actually, you guys are missing that this is nearly the exact situation Tomlin took over in 2007. I would actually say Tomlin has the best chance of the retread HCs available to take Buffalo to a title. For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

[anpsteel]

so now we have to hallucinate that Cook didn't have possession before and during the time he hit the ground to justify an obvious error

BTW bad refereeing is going to lead to the Steelers having a far tougher schedule next year

conversely the Bears should be pissed that it wasn't an INT if the Bills call was "correct"

Im explaining why, by the rules, the calls where what they were

I didn’t initially agree with his perspective on the bills broncos call, but upon explanation and further review I understand it

I don’t disagree that the rules are absurd, but you have to figure they are written that way for a purpose


The individual who was discussing the bills / broncos situation with me, is regularly assigned playoff games. Which means he grades out at the top

[W&M_Steeler]

The idea of firing McDermott and hiring Tomlin is like firing Rodgers and signing Stroud, if Stroud played for 19 years like he did yesterday.

Actually, you guys are missing that this is nearly the exact situation Tomlin took over in 2007. I would actually say Tomlin has the best chance of the retread HCs available to take Buffalo to a title. For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

The Bills' defense isn't good enough for Tomlin to win with McDermott's players. Tomlin won his Super Bowl not only with Ben, but with a killer D. Tomlin with this Bills team would be 2010s Killer Bs Steelers part 2.

Tomlin's situation was more like walking into the Texans' if they had Josh Allen instead of Stroud and had a Hall of Fame DC and a high quality, COTY level OC.

[.Kodiak]

For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

Can he? Or was it Lebeau and Arians while Tomlin ran around as a glorified defensive assistant?

[Jizz Mop]

The idea of firing McDermott and hiring Tomlin is like firing Rodgers and signing Stroud, if Stroud played for 19 years like he did yesterday.

Actually, you guys are missing that this is nearly the exact situation Tomlin took over in 2007. I would actually say Tomlin has the best chance of the retread HCs available to take Buffalo to a title. For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

The Bills' defense isn't good enough for Tomlin to win with McDermott's players. Tomlin won his Super Bowl not only with Ben, but with a killer D. Tomlin with this Bills team would be 2010s Killer Bs Steelers part 2.

Tomlin's situation was more like walking into the Texans' if they had Josh Allen instead of Stroud and had a Hall of Fame DC and a high quality, COTY level OC.

Yeah, peculiar that Tomlin won a SB w LeBeau and Arians but was unable to do it with Arthur Smith and Teryl Austin.

[bradshaw2ben]

so now we have to hallucinate that Cook didn't have possession before and during the time he hit the ground to justify an obvious error

BTW bad refereeing is going to lead to the Steelers having a far tougher schedule next year

conversely the Bears should be pissed that it wasn't an INT if the Bills call was "correct"

Im explaining why, by the rules, the calls where what they were

I didn’t initially agree with his perspective on the bills broncos call, but upon explanation and further review I understand it

I don’t disagree that the rules are absurd, but you have to figure they are written that way for a purpose


The individual who was discussing the bills / broncos situation with me, is regularly assigned playoff games. Which means he grades out at the top

Whoever explained the call should talk to the officiating supervisor from NYC who offered this explanation of the Aaron Rodgers’ catch:

[bradshaw2ben]

The idea of firing McDermott and hiring Tomlin is like firing Rodgers and signing Stroud, if Stroud played for 19 years like he did yesterday.

Actually, you guys are missing that this is nearly the exact situation Tomlin took over in 2007. I would actually say Tomlin has the best chance of the retread HCs available to take Buffalo to a title. For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

The Bills' defense isn't good enough for Tomlin to win with McDermott's players. Tomlin won his Super Bowl not only with Ben, but with a killer D. Tomlin with this Bills team would be 2010s Killer Bs Steelers part 2.

Tomlin's situation was more like walking into the Texans' if they had Josh Allen instead of Stroud and had a Hall of Fame DC and a high quality, COTY level OC.

Steelers defense in 2006 wasn’t good enough either. And that was with Dick LeBeau. Tomlin definitely jacked up the defense in the short term, ditched Joey Porter, and promoted James Harrison.

[955876]

Bills won 8 playoff games in 9 seasons, were competitive in every game and that wasn’t good enough for them.

Steelers won 0 playoff games in 9 seasons and got blown out even single time, yet were excited to run it back with Tomlin.

Bills would be absolute morons to want a clearly inferior coach like Tomlin. I’d imagine they have one of these young innovative coaches in mind as an upgrade. Thats what smart franchise do.

100%. Dunce Rooney needs to go.

[CoolShades]

Actually, you guys are missing that this is nearly the exact situation Tomlin took over in 2007. I would actually say Tomlin has the best chance of the retread HCs available to take Buffalo to a title. For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

Not exactly the same.

Tomlin was a PC/agenda hire in 2007. He was Greg Brady being hired as Johnny Bravo. He fit the suit. Mike Tomlin had to keep almost all of Cowher’s coaching staff, and LeBeau and Arians ran everything. Tomlin was a one year DC (and not a good one), and the Rooneys let Mediocre Mike ease into the job. He was well insulated and well taken care of in those early years, because everyone understood he had a role to play and he was the standard bearer for black head coaches.

Tomlin didn’t even bother wearing a headset early on. He didn’t need to. But people started noticing and asking what he did during the game, so the Steelers gave him a dead head set so he’d LOOK like a HC. The man was a figurehead, all because he had the gift of gab and an owner that had a rule named after him and a healthy dose of white guilt.

Over the last 19 years, Tomlin had so many people kissing his ass and massaging his prostate, he actually started to believe he was a great coach. He believed he ran to coaching, even if the results show anyone who received any coaching from him (or one of his brilliant hires) leveled off or regressed. He thought he didn’t live in his fears, and yet every decision he made on gameday indicated the exact opposite. He also believed he was a “leader of men”, even though his teams always came out flat against garbage opponents, played down to lesser competition and were blown out in the playoffs for a decade. His players said they would “run through walls” for him, but they never did. (They ran to the locker room after a playoff beating, and that’s about it.) Tomlin’s greatest achievement was turning the expectations of a franchise and its fanbase from championships to 9 wins and NHALS, and making that the Standard.

The only prayer he’d have in Buffalo is if he were hired and not permitted to make any staff or personnel decisions. And we both know that Mediocre Mike is too arrogant to agree to that. So who would he bring to Buffalo to run things? Arthur Smith? Terryl Austin? I doubt he’d be universally loved in the locker room, either.

But lets say he did agree to that…. in the back of Mediocre Mike’s goldfish brain, there would be the greatest fear of all….. surpassing Marvin Lewis. He does that, and he could permanently damage any chance he has to get into Canton.

I’d be surprised if he ever stands on a sidelines as a coach again. If he wants to make bags of money, he can do so easily by going to a network. Imagine the ball washing that will be done each and every week in front of a national audience! The man will have the cleanest testicals in the country.

That’s the smart play.

Although to be fair, I’ve never thought Tomlin to be particularly bright…..

[anpsteel]

I think the owner sees the situation where the teams window is closing quickly, and if he doesn’t make some sort of change, this opportunity will go by without a Super Bowl


In regard to the interception


The bills receiver had the ball momentarily, landed on the ground, did not make a football move or survive the ground.

As the two players rolled through the momentum, the defender came away with the ball.


By rule that is an interception

I was sitting right next to an NFL review official who explained exactly why and how

I disagreed with it at first, but understood his point.


And to people who say the, “survive the ground” and “football move”, verbiage have been removed It has not. It’s just written in a different section of the rule book

Have him explain how pretty much the exact same play happened in Rams/Bears, only there the ruling was catch because down by contact

As anyone who is at the top of their profession would, he gets a little annoyed when I question his opinion; so I don’t badger him about a bunch of shit

Here is what I perceived as the difference between the two plays

The Rams/Bears game the receiver had clear possession and was making a football move as his knee went down. The ball was stripped by the defender after the receiver was down.

The Bills Broncos situation the receiver never had clear control and did not make a football move. He was essentially on the ground while trying to gain control. During that process the ball was stripped.

The first was: catch control down strip

The second was: catch down strip control

The Bills receiver never established control, survived the ground, or made a football move.

The Aaron Rodgers call

The TD they took off the board

There was another bad call in that game as well


Edit: fwiw I did ask him about those calls - he said he didn’t see the plays. Which I took as his way of avoiding the conversation

[Jobu]

Actually, you guys are missing that this is nearly the exact situation Tomlin took over in 2007. I would actually say Tomlin has the best chance of the retread HCs available to take Buffalo to a title. For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

Not exactly the same.

Tomlin was a PC/agenda hire in 2007. He was Greg Brady being hired as Johnny Bravo. He fit the suit. Mike Tomlin had to keep almost all of Cowher’s coaching staff, and LeBeau and Arians ran everything. Tomlin was a one year DC (and not a good one), and the Rooneys let Mediocre Mike ease into the job. He was well insulated and well taken care of in those early years, because everyone understood he had a role to play and he was the standard bearer for black head coaches.

Tomlin didn’t even bother wearing a headset early on. He didn’t need to. But people started noticing and asking what he did during the game, so the Steelers gave him a dead head set so he’d LOOK like a HC. The man was a figurehead, all because he had the gift of gab and an owner that had a rule named after him and a healthy dose of white guilt.

Over the last 19 years, Tomlin had so many people kissing his ass and massaging his prostate, he actually started to believe he was a great coach. He believed he ran to coaching, even if the results show anyone who received any coaching from him (or one of his brilliant hires) leveled off or regressed. He thought he didn’t live in his fears, and yet every decision he made on gameday indicated the exact opposite. He also believed he was a “leader of men”, even though his teams always came out flat against garbage opponents, played down to lesser competition and were blown out in the playoffs for a decade. His players said they would “run through walls” for him, but they never did. (They ran to the locker room after a playoff beating, and that’s about it.) Tomlin’s greatest achievement was turning the expectations of a franchise and its fanbase from championships to 9 wins and NHALS, and making that the Standard.

The only prayer he’d have in Buffalo is if he were hired and not permitted to make any staff or personnel decisions. And we both know that Mediocre Mike is too arrogant to agree to that. So who would he bring to Buffalo to run things? Arthur Smith? Terryl Austin? I doubt he’d be universally loved in the locker room, either.

But lets say he did agree to that…. in the back of Mediocre Mike’s goldfish brain, there would be the greatest fear of all….. surpassing Marvin Lewis. He does that, and he could permanently damage any chance he has to get into Canton.

I’d be surprised if he ever stands on a sidelines as a coach again. If he wants to make bags of money, he can do so easily by going to a network. Imagine the ball washing that will be done each and every week in front of a national audience! The man will have the cleanest testicals in the country.

That’s the smart play.

Although to be fair, I’ve never thought Tomlin to be particularly bright…..

Excellent!

[Steelperch]

The idea of firing McDermott and hiring Tomlin is like firing Rodgers and signing Stroud, if Stroud played for 19 years like he did yesterday.

Actually, you guys are missing that this is nearly the exact situation Tomlin took over in 2007. I would actually say Tomlin has the best chance of the retread HCs available to take Buffalo to a title. For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

Tomlin adds absolutely nothing to the Bills aside from neutering Josh Allen

[Deebo]

so now we have to hallucinate that Cook didn't have possession before and during the time he hit the ground to justify an obvious error

BTW bad refereeing is going to lead to the Steelers having a far tougher schedule next year

conversely the Bears should be pissed that it wasn't an INT if the Bills call was "correct"

Im explaining why, by the rules, the calls where what they were

I didn’t initially agree with his perspective on the bills broncos call, but upon explanation and further review I understand it

I don’t disagree that the rules are absurd, but you have to figure they are written that way for a purpose


The individual who was discussing the bills / broncos situation with me, is regularly assigned playoff games. Which means he grades out at the top

Whoever explained the call should talk to the officiating supervisor from NYC who offered this explanation of the Aaron Rodgers’ catch:

Yup. It is impossible to reconcile the Arod/Bears INT/catch and the Bills/Broncos INT. They are the exact same situation and both calls should be ruled similarly.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Firing McDermott and promoting Beane is like the last episode of Mary Tyler Moore when the station fired everyone but Ted.

Ah the days when Minneapolis seemed nice.

[anpsteel]

Firing McDermott and promoting Beane is like the last episode of Mary Tyler Moore when the station fired everyone but Ted.

Ah the days when Minneapolis seemed nice.

I'm stumped by that move

I don't follow the team to any significant extent, but it would seem to me that roster has some holes

So blaming the failure on the coach and promoting the guy in charge of player acquisition seems a bit off-

Not completely unlike what is happening w the Steelers

[CKSteeler]

The idea of firing McDermott and hiring Tomlin is like firing Rodgers and signing Stroud, if Stroud played for 19 years like he did yesterday.

Actually, you guys are missing that this is nearly the exact situation Tomlin took over in 2007. I would actually say Tomlin has the best chance of the retread HCs available to take Buffalo to a title. For two years, he can get a team with someone else's players and an elite Q Bto the top.

Tomlin adds absolutely nothing to the Bills aside from neutering Josh Allen

This is my view. The league is very different than it was and while the Bills are a roster that could be pushed over the edge, particularly if they add a few key pieces, Tomlin just isn't the guy to do that. The league has passed him by. He wants to win with defense. The offense is there to support the defense in the goal which is completely backwards to how the modern NFL works. The Bills defense also just isn't dominant to any degree. They are a bit like what the Steelers field - paper tigers that routinely crumble when it matters most. The playoffs have been ugly for the Bills defense despite high rankings.

If Tomlin went int here and was just a CEO who let his coordinators take over from a schematic standpoint maybe he could thrive for a little while with the talent. But nothing indicates he has the insight and self-awareness to do that.