AR Returning ?

[.Kodiak]

If AR is back this team is not going anywhere and this team continues to go around with No Qb capable of winning a SB

Probably not going anywhere with or without AR.

But do you want to waste an entire season evaluating and developing your offense around Rudolph or Howard? Unless one of those guys is actually starter caliber you're going to have little idea what anyone else on offense can do.

Now AR has to understand he might not start Wk1, or Wk17. He's the bridge guy if Howard or a rookie draft pick aren't ready or the guy. I don't think AR would agree to that, but it's just dumb to roll into the season with Mason, Howard and a rookie or some other jagoff. I mean, what a disaster if that QB rooms sucks as bad as we assume it will to subject all the other players to that suckitude.

[steelmann58]

I am sorry I don’t like the idea of AR coming back but I really think Howard should be given a chance to see what there. I don’t want some older retread back at QB or some Qb looking for a new home like Tua or Richardson or Murray. I rather us go down the tubes if it gets us a legit franchise QB

[Deebo]

I don't think there's much more of a depressing scenario than week one watching Aaron Rodgers jog out of the tunnel followed by Mike McCarthy's lard ass waddling out as well.

Schefty says, "hold my beer"

Adam Schefter Shares Steelers Two New QB Options https://share.google/4EbyKmQ4vdDMBOXQz

Thanks.
I hate it

[Deebo]

If AR is back this team is not going anywhere and this team continues to go around with No Qb capable of winning a SB

Probably not going anywhere with or without AR.

But do you want to waste an entire season evaluating and developing your offense around Rudolph or Howard? Unless one of those guys is actually starter caliber you're going to have little idea what anyone else on offense can do.

Now AR has to understand he might not start Wk1, or Wk17. He's the bridge guy if Howard or a rookie draft pick aren't ready or the guy. I don't think AR would agree to that, but it's just dumb to roll into the season with Mason, Howard and a rookie or some other jagoff. I mean, what a disaster if that QB rooms sucks as bad as we assume it will to subject all the other players to that suckitude.

Sign Counsins as a FA and draft a QB high this year or next

[Dan Smith--BYU]

"Sign Counsins as a FA and draft a QB high this year or next"

This is a terrible idea since Rodgers is better than Cousins who may only be slightly better than Mason, and Howard is likely better than any college QB save Mendoza.

[Orangesteel]

I’m fine with AR coming back as long as Howard is #2

We can’t keep him buried on the chart behind Mason. Mason needs to be gone forever. He’s a decent backup and should find work. But the “safety” of Mason should be gone with the Tomlin era. He is stunting growth and evaluation of guys like Howard.

[.Kodiak]

I’m fine with AR coming back as long as Howard is #2

Exactly. Howard should get a shot, but if he flops you really can't just roll with Mason - he's a stop gap backup.

If Mason plays a lot of games, that will definitely stunt the growth and development of the other guys on offense. I'm actually excited to see Howard, but also know they most likely need a Plan B.

And Rudolph was pretty bad this year. The plan at QB cannot be a career backup and a guy who might not even be that good, plus a rookie?!?

Sucking to draft higher is not remotely a proven path to glory. You need a minimal level of competent QB play, that's not Mason and we have no idea if it's Howard.

[Deebo]

"Sign Counsins as a FA and draft a QB high this year or next"

This is a terrible idea since Rodgers is better than Cousins who may only be slightly better than Mason, and Howard is likely better than any college QB save Mendoza.

I'm posting from a POV that the Steelers are not interested in a losing season. I don't agree with it but everyone knows that's the mantra.
So all of the options available to achieve that goal are terrible. I'm trying to pick the least terrible one.

I liked Rodgers and happy he played last year. He seemed to be the only one to give a fuck about holding people accountable. He squeezed as much juice from his body and this neanderthal offense that he could. But he literally does not want to get hit. You can't have that in a starting QB

So if they Steelers are insistent on not allowing Howard or any other young QB to take some losing lumps, this is the best way to meld their short term/idiotic vision with a longer term one. I don't want to throw assets at acquiring Mac Jones, Tua, Murray or anyone else under contract. So they're relegated to the FA route.

Because I think everyone can agree with this from a QB standpoint.

- Howard starting will result in a losing season
- A rookie QB starting will result in a losing season
- Mason starting MAY result in a losing season

So those 3 scenarios are out the door from an Art the Douche standpoint

[Deebo]

I’m fine with AR coming back as long as Howard is #2

We can’t keep him buried on the chart behind Mason. Mason needs to be gone forever. He’s a decent backup and should find work. But the “safety” of Mason should be gone with the Tomlin era. He is stunting growth and evaluation of guys like Howard.

I agree and I am a person who doesn't mind Mason as a backup. He's been a good soldier through his career so I don't hate the guy. He's just blocking others at this point. If he wants to be Qb3 forever, I'd welcome that.

[StillerDownSouth]

The only plus to me of Rodgers coming back is it would definitely be just a 1 year deal, from reports he's seemed to be really good mentor in the QB room, he's likely to get hurt since he's about as mobile as a 90 year old, so he's a better option than bringing in a guy on a multi year deal that really isn't any better and might set the franchise back even further...the more I think about it, with limited options for a "franchise type" guy being available for the Steelers this year, Rodgers is prob the best choice, make Howard #2 and either release Rudolf and draft a flyer in the 4th-6th round again and go into next year as basically a give up year, even though ArtII is on record saying he doesn't believe in that, but he also followed up with "some years you just don't have the horses to compete."

[.Kodiak]

Rodgers may want to play next year, but I think like last year he's going to wait for a prettier girl than the Steelers.

If MIN offers Rodgers a deal, PIT will be dumpster diving for some other bottom-tier starter.

[swissvale72]

Rodgers may want to play next year, but I think like last year he's going to wait for a prettier girl than the Steelers.

If MIN offers Rodgers a deal, PIT will be dumpster diving for some other bottom-tier starter.

I doubt it. If Rogers is going to play next year, I think by his choice, it will be Steelers or. nobody else. Steelers, new coach wants him his steeler teammates, reportedly love the guy and want him back, he enjoyed his reception by Pittsburgh generally. I really think it's or retire and I think we'll see him back in black and gold next year… And working with Will Howard, similar to how he work with an admittedly much more talented jordan love in Green Bay

[lifelongsteel]

We need a high variability season. High chance of being great and finding the franchise QB and high chance of completely flaming out.

Calling Malik Willis. Of all the QBs available via trade, FA, draft, he gives you both the best chance of 14-3 and 3-14.

Lots of amateur scouts on this board that have already written the guy off. Even If he sucks as bad as you think, you'll get your 3-14 season and draft top 10.

This is so obvious to me that it makes my head hurt.

Sign Willis. 2 years $40M. Basically same cost as Rodgers. have him compete with Howard.

btw I would hope that QB whisperer, GB guy and long time league OC McCarthy has a strong opinion on Willis one way or the other.

[swissvale72]

We need a high variability season. High chance of being great and finding the franchise QB and high chance of completely flaming out.

Calling Malik Willis. Of all the QBs available via trade, FA, draft, he gives you both the best chance of 14-3 and 3-14.

Lots of amateur scouts on this board that have already written the guy off. Even If he sucks as bad as you think, you'll get your 3-14 season and draft top 10.

This is so obvious to me that it makes my head hurt.

Sign Willis. 2 years $40M. Basically same cost as Rodgers. have him compete with Howard.

btw I would hope that QB whisperer, GB guy and long time league OC McCarthy has a strong opinion on Willis one way or the other.

I think they're hearing from Rogers by the beginning of free agency. If he's back, there will be no pursuit of Willis.

[955876]

I think he strings us along like he did last year.

Don’t really want him back. Don’t want Buck Cluck either.

Don’t want Dunce Rooney running the show either.

Nothing about this team is exciting or worthy of looking forward to.

[.Kodiak]

I think they're hearing from Rogers by the beginning of free agency. If he's back, there will be no pursuit of Willis.

I don't know where this optimism comes from. It's widely believed Rodgers had a hand in McCarthy getting fired in GB. I think he's one of the last coaches Rodgers would play one more year for.

Rodgers is going to string us along waiting for a better deal just like last year.

[swissvale72]

I think they're hearing from Rogers by the beginning of free agency. If he's back, there will be no pursuit of Willis.

I don't know where this optimism comes from. It's widely believed Rodgers had a hand in McCarthy getting fired in GB. I think he's one of the last coaches Rodgers would play one more year for.

Rodgers is going to string us along waiting for a better deal just like last year.

Might be inaccurate, but completely contradictory to the reporting on espn & nfl network. And....the Rodgers/mccarthy relationship is being reported as positive on balance

[bradshaw2ben]

We need a high variability season. High chance of being great and finding the franchise QB and high chance of completely flaming out.

Calling Malik Willis. Of all the QBs available via trade, FA, draft, he gives you both the best chance of 14-3 and 3-14.

Lots of amateur scouts on this board that have already written the guy off. Even If he sucks as bad as you think, you'll get your 3-14 season and draft top 10.

This is so obvious to me that it makes my head hurt.

Sign Willis. 2 years $40M. Basically same cost as Rodgers. have him compete with Howard.

btw I would hope that QB whisperer, GB guy and long time league OC McCarthy has a strong opinion on Willis one way or the other.

First off, McCarthy isn't a QB developer. Secondly, of all the discussed options, I'd take Malik Willis and Will Howard with each having a chance at equal reps in the offseason. Mason Rudolph can go fuck right off––he's an obstacle and a douche. He couldn't be any more replaceable. Draft a QB if one you like falls somewhere later than expected, let's see what we've got. That would be a hell of a lot more exciting than what we've had to look forward to for years and years. Re-signing Aaron Rodgers would just be a gut punch on whatever hope I have left that this year will be different.

[955876]

Re-signing Aaron Rodgers would just be a gut punch on whatever hope I have left that this year will be different.

This x 1,000

[.Kodiak]

Might be inaccurate, but completely contradictory to the reporting on espn & nfl network. And....the Rodgers/mccarthy relationship is being reported as positive on balance

It's definitely inaccurate - ESPN and NFLN aren't journalism

Just google it. Rodgers and McCarthy had bad blood, though they denied it. Like I said, if you remember of a few of those legendary playoff chokes McCarthy dialed up, there's no way Rodgers would play for that guy unless he's had a full frontal lobotomy.

[W&M_Steeler]

We need a high variability season. High chance of being great and finding the franchise QB and high chance of completely flaming out.

Calling Malik Willis. Of all the QBs available via trade, FA, draft, he gives you both the best chance of 14-3 and 3-14.

Lots of amateur scouts on this board that have already written the guy off. Even If he sucks as bad as you think, you'll get your 3-14 season and draft top 10.

This is so obvious to me that it makes my head hurt.

Sign Willis. 2 years $40M. Basically same cost as Rodgers. have him compete with Howard.

btw I would hope that QB whisperer, GB guy and long time league OC McCarthy has a strong opinion on Willis one way or the other.

I don't want Willis. He's untested and more likely to be Justin Fields part two than he is to be a franchise QB. But wouldn't it be the cherry on top of the shit sundae 2022 draft if they end up giving Willis a big FA contract. They could have taken him instead of DeMarvin Leal in the 3rd.

[Gonzo]

On nfl radio today … rich Gannon said Steelers told Rodger’s they want him back and are willing to wait for his decision …. Again
Bruce Murray was flummoxed … asking why would the Steelers want to settle for 9-8 and maybe a playoff spot again and a middle of the road draft pick year after when there was no chance that Rodger’s is going to somehow get better at this stage and they have no real shot of winning playoff games

[955876]

On nfl radio today … rich Gannon said Steelers told Rodger’s they want him back and are willing to wait for his decision …. Again
Bruce Murray was flummoxed … asking why would the Steelers want to settle for 9-8 and maybe a playoff spot again and a middle of the road draft pick year after when there was no chance that Rodger’s is going to somehow get better at this stage and they have no real shot of winning playoff games

The “willing to wait for him again” makes the whole thing even more pathetic.

I’ve seriously grown to dislike this team.

[steelmann58]

Choice is with AR one one Year or Willis or Murray on multi years deals.

[W&M_Steeler]

Choice is with AR one one Year or Willis or Murray on multi years deals.

I'd rather have Cousins than any of those options, and I don't want Cousins.

[Steeldrama]

Yeah nothing to gain by running it back with Rodgers, but hey it will free up my Sundays nicely.

"FORE!!!"

If you're the rooting for a losing record sort then I recommend hoping the Steelers sign Kyler Murray to a cheap, low cap impact deal.

That disinterested little bastard won't last 5 minutes behind the Steelers Charmin soft OL.

Cousins would probably net a similar result just based purely declining skills, but that dude is a businessman.

Has any QB maximized his career earning potential more than Kirk?

Yeah he won't sign on the cheap which leaves him out.

[Deebo]

Rodgers may want to play next year, but I think like last year he's going to wait for a prettier girl than the Steelers.

If MIN offers Rodgers a deal, PIT will be dumpster diving for some other bottom-tier starter.

Remember Rodgers flirted with Minny last offseason and KOC said no thanks and went with JJ.

[Jobu]

Rodgers may want to play next year, but I think like last year he's going to wait for a prettier girl than the Steelers.

If MIN offers Rodgers a deal, PIT will be dumpster diving for some other bottom-tier starter.

Remember Rodgers flirted with Minny last offseason and KOC said no thanks and went with JJ.

Yeah, the Vikes haven’t exactly been knocking it out of the park with their QB decisions lately. Probably cost the GM his job.

[.Kodiak]

Remember Rodgers flirted with Minny last offseason and KOC said no thanks and went with JJ.

That was last year when JJ was an unknown quantity.

A year later JJ sucked ass, so they might not pass on AR again.

[.Kodiak]

Choice is with AR one one Year or Willis or Murray on multi years deals.

Joe Flacco. Gives them that steady vet presence if Howard flops, and Flacco perfectly good with starting out as the backup.

Or, I don't know, maybe a Mariota or Garoppolo. But not sure either is much of an upgrade over Rudolph.


Again, I'll be shocked if Rodgers wants to run it back as a bridge QB. He ain't getting out of bed to be a backup QB, at any point next year.