James Harrison mega merged bed wetting thread.

[Legacy User]

completely agree Stinger and '95...mishandled by both sides..if I had to assign blame id say 60 40 its the Steelers fault, i mean even if you want to blame the player, Harrison as a legendary Steeler, a player who belongs on pretty much anyones Steelers Defensive Mt. Rushmore, deserves a little more than to be lied to and a bit more respect than the avg player no?? Now whether this is strictly on Tomlin or porter or butler or the deuce we don't know but id say the buck stops with Tomlin.

Once Harrison signed his deal, it was up to the discretion of his coaches to play him, not play him however they wanted to. IF they made a commitment to percentage of snaps...and that's a big IF....they shouldn't have done so. You sign your deal, we pay you, we use you how we want.

Only mistake I see Steelers made was allowing this fucker to walk.

And sorry...I'm not impressed by his pair of garbage time sacks today, against a shitty opponent and even shittier left tackle.

That's true Swiss for 99% of the players on your roster, truth is superstars and legends do get cut more slack, you cant treat JH the way you would treat joe average football player. Its conjecture sure but I think JH was promised a certain amount of playing time, he didn't get it, they wouldn't cut him either, so he strictly did what he could to get out. I wish it didn't get to that point but it did.

[swissvale72]

You mean Mop-Up Man, not Closer, Greek. Yeah, Harrison strikes out the side when his team's up 10-0 in the 9th inning. BFD!! Again....his sacks came on the game's final two plays with his team ahead by 20 fuckin' points.

[swissvale72]

completely agree Stinger and '95...mishandled by both sides..if I had to assign blame id say 60 40 its the Steelers fault, i mean even if you want to blame the player, Harrison as a legendary Steeler, a player who belongs on pretty much anyones Steelers Defensive Mt. Rushmore, deserves a little more than to be lied to and a bit more respect than the avg player no?? Now whether this is strictly on Tomlin or porter or butler or the deuce we don't know but id say the buck stops with Tomlin.

Once Harrison signed his deal, it was up to the discretion of his coaches to play him, not play him however they wanted to. IF they made a commitment to percentage of snaps...and that's a big IF....they shouldn't have done so. You sign your deal, we pay you, we use you how we want.

Only mistake I see Steelers made was allowing this fucker to walk.

And sorry...I'm not impressed by his pair of garbage time sacks today, against a shitty opponent and even shittier left tackle.

That's true Swiss for 99% of the players on your roster, truth is superstars and legends do get cut more slack, you cant treat JH the way you would treat joe average football player. Its conjecture sure but I think JH was promised a certain amount of playing time, he didn't get it, they wouldn't cut him either, so he strictly did what he could to get out. I wish it didn't get to that point but it did.

Still no excuse for his acting like an immature, fuckin' baby when he's under contract. We should expect MORE from a player of his ilk and legacy, not less.

[Legacy User]

You mean Mop-Up Man, not Closer, Greek. Yeah, Harrison strikes out the side when his team's up 10-0 in the 9th inning. BFD!! Again....his sacks came on the game's final two plays with his team ahead by 20 fuckin' points.

But what difference does that make, Harrison has literally not played all season Swiss, looked decent not great, but decent for a guy who hasn't had much playing time this year and for a new team, taking all that even out of the equation I hate that we bettered the roster of those cocksuckers because without JH they don't have much of a pass rush at all. Hate that we may have improved them no matter what to what degree.

[Legacy User]

Heres another question, why the fuck did the Steelers sign him to a 2 yr deal?? And how did those plans change that fast?? Chickillo Moats hell even Dupree weren't very good, I just cant see how you cant find playing time for JH at all, its mind boggling.

[Legacy User]

="swissvale72"]

completely agree Stinger and '95...mishandled by both sides..if I had to assign blame id say 60 40 its the Steelers fault, i mean even if you want to blame the player, Harrison as a legendary Steeler, a player who belongs on pretty much anyones Steelers Defensive Mt. Rushmore, deserves a little more than to be lied to and a bit more respect than the avg player no?? Now whether this is strictly on Tomlin or porter or butler or the deuce we don't know but id say the buck stops with Tomlin.

Once Harrison signed his deal, it was up to the discretion of his coaches to play him, not play him however they wanted to. IF they made a commitment to percentage of snaps...and that's a big IF....they shouldn't have done so. You sign your deal, we pay you, we use you how we want.

Only mistake I see Steelers made was allowing this fucker to walk.

And sorry...I'm not impressed by his pair of garbage time sacks today, against a shitty opponent and even shittier left tackle.

That's true Swiss for 99% of the players on your roster, truth is superstars and legends do get cut more slack, you cant treat JH the way you would treat joe average football player. Its conjecture sure but I think JH was promised a certain amount of playing time, he didn't get it, they wouldn't cut him either, so he strictly did what he could to get out. I wish it didn't get to that point but it did.

Still no excuse for his acting like an immature, fuckin' baby when he's under contract. We should expect MORE from a player of his ilk and legacy, not less.[/quote]



Its James fn Harrison, the guy is different to say the least. Probably exactly what made him so good.

[swissvale72]

You mean Mop-Up Man, not Closer, Greek. Yeah, Harrison strikes out the side when his team's up 10-0 in the 9th inning. BFD!! Again....his sacks came on the game's final two plays with his team ahead by 20 fuckin' points.

But what difference does that make, Harrison has literally not played all season Swiss, looked decent not great, but decent for a guy who hasn't had much playing time this year and for a new team, taking all that even out of the equation I hate that we bettered the roster of those cocksuckers because without JH they don't have much of a pass rush at all. Hate that we may have improved them no matter what to what degree.

Makes a ton of difference. Not going to be at all impressed with two sacks on....
*Last two plays of game
*Last two plays of season
*Last two plays of a 5-11 team
*Last two plays of the season of a left tackle
*Last two plays when his team's up by 20 points

He did shit when the game was still in question. In fact, similar to his year in Pittsburgh, he was hardly in the game.

Again, was ZERO need to have cut the guy now, let him walk to New England, but nothing he did today impressed me.

[Legacy User]

You mean Mop-Up Man, not Closer, Greek. Yeah, Harrison strikes out the side when his team's up 10-0 in the 9th inning. BFD!! Again....his sacks came on the game's final two plays with his team ahead by 20 fuckin' points.

But what difference does that make, Harrison has literally not played all season Swiss, looked decent not great, but decent for a guy who hasn't had much playing time this year and for a new team, taking all that even out of the equation I hate that we bettered the roster of those cocksuckers because without JH they don't have much of a pass rush at all. Hate that we may have improved them no matter what to what degree.

Makes a ton of difference. Not going to be at all impressed with two sacks on....
*Last two plays of game
*Last two plays of season
*Last two plays of a 5-11 team
*Last two plays of the season of a left tackle
*Last two plays when his team's up by 20 points

He did shit when the game was still in question. In fact, similar to his year in Pittsburgh, he was hardly in the game.

Again, was ZERO need to have cut the guy now, let him walk to New England, but nothing he did today impressed me.

Exactly. Is it fair to say at that Bellichek think he improved his roster?? I hate that we may have helped them out.

[swissvale72]

I think Belichick HOPES he's improved his roster. Saw it as a no lose proposition.

[BethlehemSteel]

Heres another question, why the fuck did the Steelers sign him to a 2 yr deal?? And how did those plans change that fast?? Chickillo Moats hell even Dupree weren't very good, I just cant see how you cant find playing time for JH at all, its mind boggling.

Harrison spends up to 300000 or more a year on saying healthy

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

How many snaps did Harrison play in qtrs 1 - 3 today?

I mean is this what he wanted - mop up duty in the last game of the season? Sure I know he wasn't happy with his role in Pittsburgh, but with no real major injuries on the outside, what did he expect? How many final second field goal wins did the Steelers have this year? If the Patriots are down 3 and need a stop to get the ball back, are they putting Harrison out there? or will he get his snaps in when the Patriots are up 20 or 30 in the 4th qtr?

If so - is that really what he's chasing here?

[BethlehemSteel]

How many snaps did Harrison play in qtrs 1 - 3 today?

I mean is this what he wanted - mop up duty in the last game of the season? Sure I know he wasn't happy with his role in Pittsburgh, but with no real major injuries on the outside, what did he expect? How many final second field goal wins did the Steelers have this year? If the Patriots are down 3 and need a stop to get the ball back, are they putting Harrison out there? or will he get his snaps in when the Patriots are up 20 or 30 in the 4th qtr?

If so - is that really what he's chasing here?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7O5Ony7Oa0[/youtube]

[BethlehemSteel]

The holier than hubris faithful cherrypicked favorable comments from here, for their Harrison performance thread

Here are a few of theirs

It was awkward a bit after his second sack. No one went to celebrate with him. Just seeing him get up by himself with no one getting close to him from our team seems weird to me. It is not a big deal but it came across as odd to me, coupled with the anthem thing and I feel for the guy.
I hope the personalities in the dressing room can maintain a professional but cordial relationship for the last three games.

Xxxxxx said: ↑
He looked better than I expected but the 2 garbage time sacks were entirely meaningless.

They weren't game-impacting, if that's what you mean, but it showed a nice 4th quarter pass rush burst when teams are in must-throw situations.

So I wouldn't say it's meaningless in that respect

Pass rushing in a game that is over against jet players whose minds are on golf isn’t meaningful at all to me. Probably less than saying he beat OTs in practice drills.

Mop up....game was over in 3rd q

[Legacy User]

I think Belichick HOPES he's improved his roster. Saw it as a no lose proposition.

BB most definitely improved his roster, and he will kick our asses all over Foxboro again in a couple weeks, assuming we even get there

the most retarded player cut in the history of Tomlin's reign

Keeping his fucking Newport News homeboy over a Steelers legend

[COR-TEN]

Harrison, from what I can tell from the highlights, played average.

His two sacks? Beachum let him right past him on a deep drop. It's like he wasn't even trying, and the other, he split defenders that thought the ball was out. Didn't even try to block him. Arm shoved him right into the QB. Other plays he was slow and trailed everybody down field.

Not impressed.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

If Belichick has to play Harrison as a starter, he's in trouble.

This was an intel grab, no more no less - Bill always does it every year - he probably would have picked up whomever we released. We could still argue that the guy he did end up getting had something useful though, sure there is a debate there

[zeke5123]

Harrison, from what I can tell from the highlights, played average.

His two sacks? Beachum let him right past him on a deep drop. It's like he wasn't even trying, and the other, he split defenders that thought the ball was out. Didn't even try to block him. Arm shoved him right into the QB. Other plays he was slow and trailed everybody down field.

Not impressed.

What the Tomlin cock gobblers seem not to get is that the pro-Harrison faction believes that Deebo is average. It’s just that we believe Moats and Chick are below average. Thus, exchanging Moats/Chick snaps for Deebo snaps would be a marginal improvement. Yes, perhaps not a game decider per se. but a few marginal improvements may add up to a game changer. In this case, it looks like we have made the Steelers marginally worse off and the Pats marginally better off.

[swissvale72]

Harrison, from what I can tell from the highlights, played average.

His two sacks? Beachum let him right past him on a deep drop. It's like he wasn't even trying, and the other, he split defenders that thought the ball was out. Didn't even try to block him. Arm shoved him right into the QB. Other plays he was slow and trailed everybody down field.

Not impressed.

What the Tomlin cock gobblers seem not to get is that the pro-Harrison faction believes that Deebo is average. It’s just that we believe Moats and Chick are below average. Thus, exchanging Moats/Chick snaps for Deebo snaps would be a marginal improvement. Yes, perhaps not a game decider per se. but a few marginal improvements may add up to a game changer. In this case, it looks like we have made the Steelers marginally worse off and the Pats marginally better off.

At least as far as Chickillo goes, Zeke, Steelers coaching staff appears not to agree. Other factor is special teams. From what I can tell though, Moats plays only on kick return team? I think much of it has to do with what we've seen about changing role of Steelers OLBs.

To me....not going to fuss with Steelers not having played Harrison, their cutting him though, regardless of how much he was bitching, how disruptive he was, was unnecessary.

Still not putting much stock in his mop-up sacks yesterday though. I wouldn't be at all surprised, despite the 100+ pages on this now, that ends up being a non-issue, that Harrison's presence going forward in New England, will be basically unnoticeable.

[jeemie]

Harrison, from what I can tell from the highlights, played average.

His two sacks? Beachum let him right past him on a deep drop. It's like he wasn't even trying, and the other, he split defenders that thought the ball was out. Didn't even try to block him. Arm shoved him right into the QB. Other plays he was slow and trailed everybody down field.

Not impressed.

What the Tomlin cock gobblers seem not to get is that the pro-Harrison faction believes that Deebo is average. It’s just that we believe Moats and Chick are below average. Thus, exchanging Moats/Chick snaps for Deebo snaps would be a marginal improvement. Yes, perhaps not a game decider per se. but a few marginal improvements may add up to a game changer. In this case, it looks like we have made the Steelers marginally worse off and the Pats marginally better off.

Chickillo and Moats may be below average in linebacking...may be below Harrison’s skill level...but they play special teams and Harrison does not.

Also, Chickillo has three sacks (although nine since very early in the season) despite, IIRC, not getting that many more snaps than Harrison did. Watt and Dupree suck up most of the work. And sorry...if pressed into starting duty, the coaching staff surely believes...and they proved it...that Harrison is not up for a full game’s worth of action and Chickillo is.

I agree with Swiss...with three games left, I don’t see Harrison as so incredibly better that he’s going to blow up and give New England even a marginal advantage.

I just don’t.

The big advantage New England is going to exploit and always has is their coaching staff, especially at the top, is heads and tails better than ours.

And it’s not being a Tomlin “cock-gobbler” as I am plenty critical of Tomlin.

It’s about responding to people blowing this way out of proportion because of who Harrison once was. And many of those people are people who are pre-disposed to have a problem with Mike Tomlin anyway, and so this is simply confirming evidence for them, regardless of the reality of the situation.

[zeke5123]

Harrison, from what I can tell from the highlights, played average.

His two sacks? Beachum let him right past him on a deep drop. It's like he wasn't even trying, and the other, he split defenders that thought the ball was out. Didn't even try to block him. Arm shoved him right into the QB. Other plays he was slow and trailed everybody down field.

Not impressed.

What the Tomlin cock gobblers seem not to get is that the pro-Harrison faction believes that Deebo is average. It’s just that we believe Moats and Chick are below average. Thus, exchanging Moats/Chick snaps for Deebo snaps would be a marginal improvement. Yes, perhaps not a game decider per se. but a few marginal improvements may add up to a game changer. In this case, it looks like we have made the Steelers marginally worse off and the Pats marginally better off.

Chickillo and Moats may be below average in linebacking...may be below Harrison’s skill level...but they play special teams and Harrison does not.

Also, Chickillo has three sacks (although nine since very early in the season) despite, IIRC, not getting that many more snaps than Harrison did. Watt and Dupree suck up most of the work. And sorry...if pressed into starting duty, the coaching staff surely believes...and they proved it...that Harrison is not up for a full game’s worth of action and Chickillo is.

I agree with Swiss...with three games left, I don’t see Harrison as so incredibly better that he’s going to blow up and give New England even a marginal advantage.

I just don’t.

The big advantage New England is going to exploit and always has is their coaching staff, especially at the top, is heads and tails better than ours.

And it’s not being a Tomlin “cock-gobbler” as I am plenty critical of Tomlin.

It’s about responding to people blowing this way out of proportion because of who Harrison once was. And many of those people are people who are pre-disposed to have a problem with Mike Tomlin anyway, and so this is simply confirming evidence for them, regardless of the reality of the situation.

Harrison and Chick have the same sacks numbers; Chick has significantly more snaps.

[randomsteelerfan]

Harrison, from what I can tell from the highlights, played average.

His two sacks? Beachum let him right past him on a deep drop. It's like he wasn't even trying, and the other, he split defenders that thought the ball was out. Didn't even try to block him. Arm shoved him right into the QB. Other plays he was slow and trailed everybody down field.

Not impressed.

What the Tomlin cock gobblers seem not to get is that the pro-Harrison faction believes that Deebo is average. It’s just that we believe Moats and Chick are below average. Thus, exchanging Moats/Chick snaps for Deebo snaps would be a marginal improvement. Yes, perhaps not a game decider per se. but a few marginal improvements may add up to a game changer. In this case, it looks like we have made the Steelers marginally worse off and the Pats marginally better off.

Got it. Perfect sense. Sews this argument up for me. You believe. Nah, I’m gonna go knob gobble with the man that knows a shit more about his team and what it needs instead of what you believe off Sunday afternoon viewings. Awesome.

[swissvale72]

Would need to know where Chick's sacks occurred, Zeke....but Harrison had one sack that was meaningful this year. Stats people can include his two yesterday; they were meaningless.

[stinger8]

Would need to know where Chick's sacks occurred, Zeke....but Harrison had one sack that was meaningful this year. Stats people can include his two yesterday; they were meaningless.

Because you say they were meaningless it means they were? Who the fuck are you?? Seriously who made you football guru? Serious ego issue dude. "they were meaningless said the all knowing Swiss" hey go ask coach P, your daddy if they were meaningless.

If Ben throws for 200 yards after the game is decided are those stats meaningless in Swiss land??

I say they were meaningful. Here is why. It PROVES that in about 20 plays (not sure exactly) he can produce 2 sacks a forced fumble and combine for 5 tackles. In about 1/3rd of a game he does much more than current starters (see Bud Dupree) do in a whole game. That is proof, whether you want to admit it or not. Trying to justify your point by besmirching who he played against or when it happened is spurious. I bet if your boy Bud played 60 snaps against Beechum he would get zero sacks and an embarrassing stat line, yet he starts week after week, and you seem to be just fine with that.

Lastly for the umpteenth time, this is an issue about how you treat a legendary player. A guy who gave his blood and guts for this franchise, did things NEVER EVER accomplished before him by guys named Russel, Ham, Greene,Lloyd, Porter to name a few. Nobody trained harder to get ready, nobody put their body through more pain, nobody spent the money he personally spent to be ready to represent this storied franchise. NOBODY (not even Ben ). At the end he is lied to, disrespected, taken for granted, and douchbags on this site accept that as "part of the deal". He goes out and proves you wrong and you flippantly brush it off with a well it was meaningless?? What would Joe Greene have done if he was benched in favour of clearly inferior players?? He would have booted the coach in the fuckin nuts and walked out, and you know he would have. Dude almost quit because the team sucked, thats what some "winners" do.

You dont treat heroic vets like that period. I actually hope when the team comes callin "hey Deebo we have a pre game thingy to celebrate you and your Super Bowl winning and record setting interception return cause we love you" he tell's them to kiss his ass.

There are several people on this site who are lower than a snakes belly. Shame, shame, shame

[Legacy User]

Harrison, from what I can tell from the highlights, played average.

His two sacks? Beachum let him right past him on a deep drop. It's like he wasn't even trying, and the other, he split defenders that thought the ball was out. Didn't even try to block him. Arm shoved him right into the QB. Other plays he was slow and trailed everybody down field.

Not impressed.

Yep this is what I saw.

I seriously hope Harrison is out there A LOT when we see these fucks in the playoffs. He will get tooled by Ben and crew. Belichick is not that dumb though. If Deebo's out there then the game is already decided.

[MemphisSteelerFan]

I think Belichick HOPES he's improved his roster. Saw it as a no lose proposition.

BB most definitely improved his roster, and he will kick our asses all over Foxboro again in a couple weeks, assuming we even get there

the most retarded player cut in the history of Tomlin's reign

Keeping his fucking Newport News homeboy over a Steelers legend

in a way, I kinda agree with this. I mean if the stories about Harrison sleeping in meetings and leaving the stadium during games are true, then he was being a baby and throwing temper tantrums cause he didnt get what he thought he was entitled to. If its true that Harrison wouldnt even help the young guys develop, then that is definitely going against how the Steelers have developed players over the years.

BUT with all that being said, Tomlin/Colbert have got to be smarter than this. They had to know that this is the kind of crap that Bellicheat does all the time. He will give Harrison some snaps and maybe even play him in the playoffs. I think the Pats have had some injuries to their LBs, but more important is that Bellicheat will get everything he can out of Harrison to get just that smallest advantage at just the right time and then he will cut him in the offseason (or Harrison will retire anyway). It was a no lose situation for Bellicheat.

If you have made it this far in the season with Harrison doing whatever crap he has been doing in the lockerroom and the meetings, then you ride it out to the end but NEVER NEVER give the charmed darling of the refs Pats ANYTHING that could hurt you, and by serving up Deebo to Bellicheat, that is exactly what they did.

To be honest, they should have been playing Deebo a few snaps each game and keeping him sharp for when he would really be needed but Tomlin and staff just arent smart enough to handle a situation like this correctly and Bellicheat was quite ready to snap Harrison up to glean any information he can. It might only take one play to win a playoff game against PIT and if Harrison giving the Pats just that little scrap of info helps get them in the right coverage or run the right play on offense to break PIT's back, then it will all have been worth it for BB and Tomlin did it to himself.

[BethlehemSteel]

Some are clinging to hard to some fanboy demagougery. he was a god here, was. His actions describe someone in denial and out of touch

Here is the tale o the tape

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS8ibE3P6sA[/youtube]

First clip, #52 makes 95% of the play, harrison was on the ground assisting arm tackle. Score Ne 7, Jets 0 2:18 left in 1st

Second Clip, Early 3rd Quarter NE 21, Jets 3 Petty makes a dump into the flats where the middle secondary is blanketed. Harrison reads the weak Petty play and already has a jump to make the tackle in coverage. Jets were already done at this point. Gain of 1 on the play.

3rd Play, late 3rd NE 24, Jets 3. NE CB makes the read on the screen pass and the tackle, Harrison runs in to a mop up wrestling move assist.

4th Play LAte 4th, NE 26 Jets 6 (1:15 left) game over, Beachum presents the turnstile for Harrison to run around and force the fumble

5th Play 40 seconds left, game over, coverage sack with no Jet effort after all pass options are closed to Petty. Mop up #1 Not double teamed as Romo stated, just Beachum trying to get the hell out of there.

Mop up #2 is not in the highlights as it wasn't going to give a good narrative per the usual CBS propaganda (second sack)

Now JH is on to God's plan

https://www.instagram.com/p/BdYiP79gczg ... harrison92

i think he's telling you that Father Time just delivered a package to your door step.

[randomsteelerfan]

Would need to know where Chick's sacks occurred, Zeke....but Harrison had one sack that was meaningful this year. Stats people can include his two yesterday; they were meaningless.

Because you say they were meaningless it means they were? Who the fuck are you?? Seriously who made you football guru? Serious ego issue dude. "they were meaningless said the all knowing Swiss" hey go ask coach P, your daddy if they were meaningless.

If Ben throws for 200 yards after the game is decided are those stats meaningless in Swiss land??

I say they were meaningful. Here is why. It PROVES that in about 20 plays (not sure exactly) he can produce 2 sacks a forced fumble and combine for 5 tackles. In about 1/3rd of a game he does much more than current starters (see Bud Dupree) do in a whole game. That is proof, whether you want to admit it or not. Trying to justify your point by besmirching who he played against or when it happened is spurious. I bet if your boy Bud played 60 snaps against Beechum he would get zero sacks and an embarrassing stat line, yet he starts week after week, and you seem to be just fine with that.

Lastly for the umpteenth time, this is an issue about how you treat a legendary player. A guy who gave his blood and guts for this franchise, did things NEVER EVER accomplished before him by guys named Russel, Ham, Greene,Lloyd, Porter to name a few. Nobody trained harder to get ready, nobody put their body through more pain, nobody spent the money he personally spent to be ready to represent this storied franchise. NOBODY (not even Ben ). At the end he is lied to, disrespected, taken for granted, and douchbags on this site accept that as "part of the deal". He goes out and proves you wrong and you flippantly brush it off with a well it was meaningless?? What would Joe Greene have done if he was benched in favour of clearly inferior players?? He would have booted the coach in the fuckin nuts and walked out, and you know he would have. Dude almost quit because the team sucked, thats what some "winners" do.

You dont treat heroic vets like that period. I actually hope when the team comes callin "hey Deebo we have a pre game thingy to celebrate you and your Super Bowl winning and record setting interception return cause we love you" he tell's them to kiss his ass.

There are several people on this site who are lower than a snakes belly. Shame, shame, shame

A heroic vet? Did you really type that? WTF is wrong with you?

You make your point previously regarding Dupree/Harrison and it ain’t based on anything of value. If he was a star for your football team, there are no moral or ethical standards.

At least we know where you stand on the hypothetical star QB/cheerleader he said she said scenario

He’s a fuckng football player. Nothing more. He deserves nothing more than any other player that has made commitments to this team. But, because he has some natural ability to play this game better than others he is owed something more? I mean, are you reading the shit you type?

[swissvale72]

Would need to know where Chick's sacks occurred, Zeke....but Harrison had one sack that was meaningful this year. Stats people can include his two yesterday; they were meaningless.

Because you say they were meaningless it means they were? Who the fuck are you?? Seriously who made you football guru? Serious ego issue dude. "they were meaningless said the all knowing Swiss" hey go ask coach P, your daddy if they were meaningless.

If Ben throws for 200 yards after the game is decided are those stats meaningless in Swiss land??

I say they were meaningful. Here is why. It PROVES that in about 20 plays (not sure exactly) he can produce 2 sacks a forced fumble and combine for 5 tackles. In about 1/3rd of a game he does much more than current starters (see Bud Dupree) do in a whole game. That is proof, whether you want to admit it or not. Trying to justify your point by besmirching who he played against or when it happened is spurious. I bet if your boy Bud played 60 snaps against Beechum he would get zero sacks and an embarrassing stat line, yet he starts week after week, and you seem to be just fine with that.

Lastly for the umpteenth time, this is an issue about how you treat a legendary player. A guy who gave his blood and guts for this franchise, did things NEVER EVER accomplished before him by guys named Russel, Ham, Greene,Lloyd, Porter to name a few. Nobody trained harder to get ready, nobody put their body through more pain, nobody spent the money he personally spent to be ready to represent this storied franchise. NOBODY (not even Ben ). At the end he is lied to, disrespected, taken for granted, and douchbags on this site accept that as "part of the deal". He goes out and proves you wrong and you flippantly brush it off with a well it was meaningless?? What would Joe Greene have done if he was benched in favour of clearly inferior players?? He would have booted the coach in the fuckin nuts and walked out, and you know he would have. Dude almost quit because the team sucked, thats what some "winners" do.

You dont treat heroic vets like that period. I actually hope when the team comes callin "hey Deebo we have a pre game thingy to celebrate you and your Super Bowl winning and record setting interception return cause we love you" he tell's them to kiss his ass.

There are several people on this site who are lower than a snakes belly. Shame, shame, shame

You're quickly establishing yourself as a lead douchebag on this site, Stinger...and that's no small accomplishment, even meaningful. I think most here understand my assessment of Harrison's sacks not being meaningful, but you're sufficiently dense, that I'll break it down for you.

The outcome of the game was long since decided. Had Harrison fallen on his ass, not doing shit on both of those plays, the Patriots still would have won, decidedly so, the Jets still would have lost. His sacks had not one bit of impact on the game. Will use your words....GET IT??

[W&M_Steeler]

It’s about responding to people blowing this way out of proportion because of who Harrison once was. And many of those people are people who are pre-disposed to have a problem with Mike Tomlin anyway, and so this is simply confirming evidence for them, regardless of the reality of the situation.

The whole situation just seems screwed up, which is why it has generated 105+ pages of commentary. No one thinks 2008 Harrison is going to step on the field. But it felt all season like they were misusing Harrison. It made no sense why they weren't giving Harrison 10 - 15 snaps a game, especially when guys like Moats weren't lighting the world on fire. Now that we know more of the behind the scenes disputes, it seems like the staff was trying to humble James. I bet they even cut him to teach him a lesson by showing that no other team would sign him. Whoops.

Like I wrote a few days ago, this feels something like if the Steelers would have cut Bettis Christmas Eve 2005. There is an emotional component to this (which is obvious from the reaction). This was the chance to send Harrison out a champion. His game-clenching sack against the Chiefs is up there with Bettis trucking Urlacher in 2005- the grizzled Steelers legend putting the team on his shoulders at a critical point in the season, a launching point for a Super Bowl run. But that narrative is dead now, and without good reason. Yeah, Harrison acted out, but it seems like he was being disrespected in the first place. I don't hold him blameless, but this looks like it was a battle of egos. The coaches cut Harrison out of spite, Harrison singed with the Patriots out of spite. Now we're left to argue about whether Harrison's two sacks were meaningless. Let's hope that we don't have to debate the value of any more Harrison plays. But if Harrison does play a role in preventing the Steelers from reaching the Super Bowl this year, I guarantee that it will haunt Tomlin's legacy for the rest of his time in Pittsburgh.

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Holy Shit.

Would need to know where Chick's sacks occurred, Zeke....but Harrison had one sack that was meaningful this year. Stats people can include his two yesterday; they were meaningless.

Because you say they were meaningless it means they were? Who the fuck are you?? Seriously who made you football guru? Serious ego issue dude. "they were meaningless said the all knowing Swiss" hey go ask coach P, your daddy if they were meaningless.

If Ben throws for 200 yards after the game is decided are those stats meaningless in Swiss land??

I say they were meaningful. Here is why. It PROVES that in about 20 plays (not sure exactly) he can produce 2 sacks a forced fumble and combine for 5 tackles. In about 1/3rd of a game he does much more than current starters (see Bud Dupree) do in a whole game. That is proof, whether you want to admit it or not. Trying to justify your point by besmirching who he played against or when it happened is spurious. I bet if your boy Bud played 60 snaps against Beechum he would get zero sacks and an embarrassing stat line, yet he starts week after week, and you seem to be just fine with that.

Lastly for the umpteenth time, this is an issue about how you treat a legendary player. A guy who gave his blood and guts for this franchise, did things NEVER EVER accomplished before him by guys named Russel, Ham, Greene,Lloyd, Porter to name a few. Nobody trained harder to get ready, nobody put their body through more pain, nobody spent the money he personally spent to be ready to represent this storied franchise. NOBODY (not even Ben ). At the end he is lied to, disrespected, taken for granted, and douchbags on this site accept that as "part of the deal". He goes out and proves you wrong and you flippantly brush it off with a well it was meaningless?? What would Joe Greene have done if he was benched in favour of clearly inferior players?? He would have booted the coach in the fuckin nuts and walked out, and you know he would have. Dude almost quit because the team sucked, thats what some "winners" do.

You dont treat heroic vets like that period. I actually hope when the team comes callin "hey Deebo we have a pre game thingy to celebrate you and your Super Bowl winning and record setting interception return cause we love you" he tell's them to kiss his ass.

There are several people on this site who are lower than a snakes belly. Shame, shame, shame

First of all, you don't know if he was disrespected. Or lied to. Where you there when the contract was signed and they told him he would get significant snaps? Were there daily at the steelers facility? HE says so, but stories coming out depict another scenario altogether. You seem to only believe the guy you have a man crush on. And his interception didn't win the Super Bowl. Santonio Holmes catch in the end zone won the game, and Woodley sealed it with a strip sack. Harrison no doubt contributed with his int, and we are all grateful for it.

But I can't understand why you think a 39 year old LB needs to have his balls sucked. You are treating him like some sort of god. HE even says it's just business. If they would have just suspended him, that would have been vindictive- meaning he wouldn't be able to play at all. He gets to play now, right? Instead of stewing at home at his rejuvenation bills.

But I get the feeling it's all about the supposed $300K/ year he spends on his body. That's just money thrown away, in his opinion. But you enter the business knowing you may or may not play - especially when you can't cover or play ST. There are no guarantees in the NFL. No Matter Who You Are. And you seem to forget the Steelers organization is the one that gave him his opportunity by looking the other way during his domestic abuser stage. Or giving him second and third chances with a highly respected franchise, where other teams just cut him. He wants special treatment in the twilight of his career. The steelers needed a back up that knows the system in case Watt didn't pan out or someone goes down to injury. He simply didn't like being "depth" and thought he could contribute. Coaches, who saw him daily and in practice obviously thought differently. Maybe tomlin didn't like his attitude, challenging him at every turn. Blount did that. Look what happened. Coach is boss. Period. Not an aging line backer.

But what's the point of calling others with a different opinion douche bags or pond scum? Have anger management issues, champ?