Titans game to be rescheduled

[Kodiak]

So, 32 teams. 31 of them get a bye.

So what if TEN misses its game in two weeks against divisional rival HOU?...HOU has a Wk8 bye - see where I'm going with this?

[Texas Black & Gold]

I am confident that the Steelers will make lemonade out of lemons. They will focus and take care of business.

[Texas Black & Gold]

So, 32 teams. 31 of them get a bye.

So what if TEN misses its game in two weeks against divisional rival HOU?...HOU has a Wk8 bye - see where I'm going with this?

I'm sure the NFL will cross that bridge if and when they get there. Flexibility and luck is what is needed to keep this season going.

[COR-TEN]

You have an axe to grind with the NFL and maybe it's a influencing your thinking.

Not really. I'm basing my opinions based on what the NFL has said and done. They made it explicitly clear that they are "entertainment." Not a fair and square sport. They protect the brand, and do everything they can to maximize profits and parity - spread the wealth. I also know the NFL is a private business with 32 owners, and loyalty to those owners making profits supersedes all else. They have reversed rulings/ make rulings based on public opinion of the brand (ray rice and Colin Kaepernick anyone?), routinely make multiple questionable calls on the field, and interpret their own rules how they please. I am also not the only one making that judgement based on what they see. It's a good ole boy network. That much is abundantly clear. It's not impossible that an industry as large as it is, with so many vendors, actors, and contracts to juggle, mismanagement can surely be considered a factor in decision making and policy. I've worked on projects worth tens of millions of dollars with everybody and their mother weighing in on minutia to global concepts. It's not unheard of that shit gets lost in the wash.

I don't have an ax to grind, but why would you question a person's motives for posting the opinion, as opposed to the content of the message? Your objectivity is more objective than mine? Do you actually think the NFL acts in good faith to individual teams/ players and fans? "Fair" actually means something, and making money takes a back seat while 31 other owners' desires don't factor in decision making? If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

[Havoc]

You have an axe to grind with the NFL and maybe it's a influencing your thinking.

Not really. I'm basing my opinions based on what the NFL has said and done. They made it explicitly clear that they are "entertainment." Not a fair and square sport. They protect the brand, and do everything they can to maximize profits and parity - spread the wealth. I also know the NFL is a private business with 32 owners, and loyalty to those owners making profits supersedes all else. They have reversed rulings/ make rulings based on public opinion of the brand (ray rice and Colin Kaepernick anyone?), routinely make multiple questionable calls on the field, and interpret their own rules how they please. I am also not the only one making that judgement based on what they see. It's a good ole boy network. That much is abundantly clear. It's not impossible that an industry as large as it is, with so many vendors, actors, and contracts to juggle, mismanagement can surely be considered a factor in decision making and policy. I've worked on projects worth tens of millions of dollars with everybody and their mother weighing in on minutia to global concepts. It's not unheard of that shit gets lost in the wash.

I don't have an ax to grind, but why would you question a person's motives for posting the opinion, as opposed to the content of the message? Your objectivity is more objective than mine? Do you actually think the NFL acts in good faith to individual teams/ players and fans? "Fair" actually means something, and making money takes a back seat while 31 other owners' desires don't factor in decision making? If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Your axe is showing.

So you agree with the NFL that it's a business.

How about this...

We still get to play the game. Win the game. Move on the the next one.

This is not something that is going to get me worked up. I expected bumps in the road due to the pandemic. And I really don't care that much about when our bye week falls. The best teams will rise.

[COR-TEN]

You have an axe to grind with the NFL and maybe it's a influencing your thinking.

Not really. I'm basing my opinions based on what the NFL has said and done. They made it explicitly clear that they are "entertainment." Not a fair and square sport. They protect the brand, and do everything they can to maximize profits and parity - spread the wealth. I also know the NFL is a private business with 32 owners, and loyalty to those owners making profits supersedes all else. They have reversed rulings/ make rulings based on public opinion of the brand (ray rice and Colin Kaepernick anyone?), routinely make multiple questionable calls on the field, and interpret their own rules how they please. I am also not the only one making that judgement based on what they see. It's a good ole boy network. That much is abundantly clear. It's not impossible that an industry as large as it is, with so many vendors, actors, and contracts to juggle, mismanagement can surely be considered a factor in decision making and policy. I've worked on projects worth tens of millions of dollars with everybody and their mother weighing in on minutia to global concepts. It's not unheard of that shit gets lost in the wash.

I don't have an ax to grind, but why would you question a person's motives for posting the opinion, as opposed to the content of the message? Your objectivity is more objective than mine? Do you actually think the NFL acts in good faith to individual teams/ players and fans? "Fair" actually means something, and making money takes a back seat while 31 other owners' desires don't factor in decision making? If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

LOL

Your. Axe. Is. Showing.

So you agree with the NFL that's it's a business.

How about this...

We still get to play the game. Win the game. Move on the the next one.

This is not something that is going to get me worked up. I expected bumps in the road due to the pandemic. And I really don't care that much about when our bye week falls. The best teams will rise.

I'm concerned about our level blocking, tackling, pass offense, pass defense coaching etc ... you know.. football.

If my ax is showing, then your naiveté is on display as well. I posted an opinion, and you made it personal. Why?

[Havoc]

If my ax is showing, then your naiveté is on display as well. I posted an opinion, and you made it personal. Why?

It's not personal Cor. I don't think it's any secret you have an axe to grind with the NFL as you demonstrated even in this thread.

I don't know that I'm calling for fairness. I stated I prefer talent on the field, if the pandemic affects that, I prefer to see games postponed so we can get a good competitive sports product. Not sure why that's difficult.

And go back and look in the thread, it was you that first used the word "naive" in response to my post (not a big deal but let's be clear on the order of things in our conversation)

[stillthere]

Just heard an interesting tidbit one of the built in things with scheduling this season was week 4. There are no divisional games in week 4 of the NFL schedule and it was intentionally put in there so the week could be cancelled or moved to the end of the year without affecting divisional records. Now Charean Williams (on NBC sports youtube page) may have been full of shit but the math checks out as far as divisional matchups. The league could of said the whole week is scrapped or moved to the end of the season with minimal effort without screwing over the Steelers schedule and hooking up Baltimore with the bye going into their biggest game of the season.

the blurb is in here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utjVUaGehgU

[SteelPro]

I think you are all getting bent when it is largely unimportant. Yes, this disadvantages the Steelers somewhat, and especially against division rival Baltimore. But with the new playoff structure and only one team in the conference earning a bye I don’t see it being that big of a deal in the grand scheme. It sucks, but nobody said life is fair. The Leagues are doing their best with a bad situation. Though I agree the NFL should have built in an additional bye week into the schedule.

[Orangesteel]

Soooo, 3 more people in the Titans organization tested positive today. At what point does this outbreak start affecting next week’s game for the Titans? Again, has the NFL been living under a rock for the last 6 months? Do they not understand how this works?

[LakecrestSteeler]

Just heard an interesting tidbit one of the built in things with scheduling this season was week 4. There are no divisional games in week 4 of the NFL schedule and it was intentionally put in there so the week could be cancelled or moved to the end of the year without affecting divisional records. Now Charean Williams (on NBC sports youtube page) may have been full of shit but the math checks out as far as divisional matchups. The league could of said the whole week is scrapped or moved to the end of the season with minimal effort without screwing over the Steelers schedule and hooking up Baltimore with the bye going into their biggest game of the season.

the blurb is in here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utjVUaGehgU

Sounds good, but I believe they have taken this approach before for the ratings at the end of the year. If the division games are towards the end of the season, it makes for better TV. It ebbs and flows from year to year.

The NFL has it easy. I don’t think the SB date is set in stone. If they postponed the Olympics, they can shift the SB.

Just take it one week at a time. 1.) Public health, 2) player and personnel safety, 3.) impact as few teams as possible, 4.) find the best trade off between being fair, safe, and making decisions with all dispatch!

If something along those lines drives the NFL machine, just say “yes sir! May I have another!” and move along. I can live with and trust the decisions made if there are similar principles driving the decision matrix.

[Orangesteel]

Am I reading this right that Cam Newton tested positive and is out tomorrow vs. the Chiefs, which is one of the premiere games of the week?

Goood gravy.

[Orangesteel]

How is the response “well Cam will need to sit this one out” instead of “the game is cancelled and we are imposing a quarantine and beginning contact tracing”?

[LakecrestSteeler]

How is the response “well Cam will need to sit this one out” instead of “the game is cancelled and we are imposing a quarantine and beginning contact tracing”?

Pretty unbelievable. Boston has been so quiet during this whole pandemic.

They have those little tracers...review the data for contract tracing. Keep testing, keep taking temperature. Guess you have to trust the process and see how it goes. Can’t panic and abandon the process. But you can change the process at the first sign it is not working.

And hope the hell this isn’t the dreaded second wave hitting.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Maybe we get the bye back, when we have the CV19 makeup week forced on the league due to spikes in positive results.

[Orangesteel]

But what is the NFL’s policy on canceling games due to COVID? I may have missed it. So in our case, it was reported earlier in the week that an outbreak had happened so the league had enough time to work on a rescheduling fix.

In this instance, starting QB tests positive almost 24 hours before kickoff, so is the policy if it happens within a certain window the player sits out but the show goes on?

This is very confusing.

[breeze]

Cam Newton is the ONLY thing the Pats have going for them. Defense sucks and offense has no real weapons other than Newton. If he can be benched, I don’t see how this season works. Imagine Ben or Wilson being suddenly benched before a conference championship game.

[jeemie]

How is the response “well Cam will need to sit this one out” instead of “the game is cancelled and we are imposing a quarantine and beginning contact tracing”?

Pretty unbelievable. Boston has been so quiet during this whole pandemic.

They have those little tracers...review the data for contract tracing. Keep testing, keep taking temperature. Guess you have to trust the process and see how it goes. Can’t panic and abandon the process. But you can change the process at the first sign it is not working.

And hope the hell this isn’t the dreaded second wave hitting.

At the beginning of the pandemic, Boston had a raging epidemic that went under the radar for January-February. They also had a couple superspreader events that were accountable for cases all over the country.

I may have actually had COVID early in the year. I never confirmed it with any type of test, but my symptoms were pretty much a dead on match for a Level One illness (the least severe. Scientists have batched the levels of COVID into six batches).

Not sure I would trust Boston to be forthcoming or knowledgeable with how activity has been there.

[stillthere]

Titans up to 16 player/personnel with more positives today. They really need to stop testing positive.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Titans up to 16 player/personnel with more positives today. They really need to stop testing positive.

Either that or stop testing.

[Kodiak]

Titans up to 16 player/personnel with more positives today. They really need to stop testing positive.

So I think we're seeing that 2-7 day window in real time. Which means if 1 player tests positive, you kind of need to shut the team down for a week. Cam just tested positive, so what are they going to do? A day or two is not enough time to declare everyone negative just because they haven't tested positive.

[Orangesteel]

Titans up to 16 player/personnel with more positives today. They really need to stop testing positive.

So I think we're seeing that 2-7 day window in real time. Which means if 1 player tests positive, you kind of need to shut the team down for a week. Cam just tested positive, so what are they going to do? A day or two is not enough time to declare everyone negative just because they haven't tested positive.

Exactly. You don’t have it until you do have it. Unless you are operating in a bubble, you can expect more cases either from the original outbreak or a new one. It’s too contagious.

[Kodiak]

Exactly. You don’t have it until you do have it. Unless you are operating in a bubble, you can expect more cases either from the original outbreak or a new one. It’s too contagious.

I think BOTH the Pats and Chiefs have positives. I don't see any way they are going to play that game on Mon or Tue.

If NE/KC gets canceled, then the NFL should just insert a bye week before the final 3 or 4 weeks to make-up any games. Maybe do it after Wk10 or something so you have the ability to add a second week for make-up games.

Now that the NFL is testing daily, I really don't think this should impact any more games. BUT, due to the high false negative rate, they may actually need to test twice a day. Supposedly that is the protocol when you have someone test positive. So the NFL is capable of doing it, then it makes no sense not to test guys in the morning before the day's activities and then again before they leave the facility. I'm guessing it will take a few more outbreaks before the NFL does what's obvious they should be doing.

[stillthere]

Exactly. You don’t have it until you do have it. Unless you are operating in a bubble, you can expect more cases either from the original outbreak or a new one. It’s too contagious.

I think BOTH the Pats and Chiefs have positives. I don't see any way they are going to play that game on Mon or Tue.

If NE/KC gets canceled, then the NFL should just insert a bye week before the final 3 or 4 weeks to make-up any games. Maybe do it after Wk10 or something so you have the ability to add a second week for make-up games.

Now that the NFL is testing daily, I really don't think this should impact any more games. BUT, due to the high false negative rate, they may actually need to test twice a day. Supposedly that is the protocol when you have someone test positive. So the NFL is capable of doing it, then it makes no sense not to test guys in the morning before the day's activities and then again before they leave the facility. I'm guessing it will take a few more outbreaks before the NFL does what's obvious they should be doing.

So far it is Cam and practice squad QB Jordan Ta'amu for the chiefs. If it stays at those two it will be played.

[Orangesteel]

Reports are KC vs NE will play tomorrow?

[Orangesteel]

Wow does this Sunday fucking suck.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Wow does this Sunday fucking suck.

Care to elaborate?

[El Kabong]

Wow does this Sunday fucking suck.

Care to elaborate?

We are Steelerless for one thing.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Wow does this Sunday fucking suck.

Care to elaborate?

We are Steelerless for one thing.

Yes that is a bummer. But we will have 13+ straight weeks of Steelers football as long as the NFL can keep the virus away.

[stillthere]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/300 ... -protocols

Sources: NFL, NFLPA investigating whether Titans violated coronavirus protocols


.....The investigation is focused on Titans outside linebackers coach Shane Bowen being the first in the organization to contract the coronavirus, and a potential failure by at least some to report symptoms and wear masks. One source told ESPN that he suspects that the spread started with the Titans' coaching staff.

Bowen was exposed to individuals who had been exposed to the coronavirus, according to a source. NFL employees are required to report being around anyone who has contracted the coronavirus or to not go into work if they have been around those individuals.

If the NFL and NFLPA find that at least one member of the Titans didn't properly report being around someone or others with the coronavirus, it would be a violation.

But there also is a sense from sources that the Titans were not diligent about wearing masks around their training facility, despite the protocols the league and the NFLPA have outlined in their memos. This could lead to the Titans facing discipline in the form of fines and/or even the potential loss of a draft pick, according to sources.

........

This could be really bad for Tenn if it comes back that Bowen did not report being around someone who had contracted the virus. I know that this is just speculation so far but I could see the other owners getting on Goodell to really bring the hammer down on them if they were actually lax in protocols and jeopardizing the money flow from TV contracts.