Eating My Tomlin Crow

[bradshaw2ben]

havent gone through the thread but i see zero reason to eat any Tomlin crow.

Oh but you should go through the thread for the entertainment value.

[CKSteeler]

Fuck Mike Tomlin.

[stillthere]

At least partially a function of our division facing the weakest schedule in the NFL.

Weakest going into the season or weakest by record after the season?

If the latter then that is because all the teams won a lot of games.

[jeemie]

You seriously don't think the Bengals are a different team with a healthy Burrow starting instead of Browning? You don’t think the Ravens play week 18 tougher if they had something to play for? You think the Steelers still win Browns 1 if Nick Chubb's knee doesn't explode in the 2nd quarter when he was running all over the D with a 6 ypc average?

5-1 is 5-1, but the Steelers had a lot of luck in the Divisional games this year. Hell, the Steelers should have beaten the Browns twice given they started DTF in game 2- only a combination of atrocious Canada play calling and atrocious KP QB play turned that game into a loss. Warren came close to willing the team to a win that day.

I do recall Steeler teams going into the last week of the season and beating teams with their backups to keep said teams out of the playoffs. That must be too large of a hurdle for Harbawl. Maybe when Pittsburgh heads back to Baltimore and takes 3 games from them this year we will hear the new excuse why the Steelers suck and beat poor teams.

5-1 in the only division to have all the teams finish above .500 since the league merger. Historical achievement. Similar to when the Steelers were the first 6th seed to win a Superb-Owl. The table is now set to be the first 7th seed to win a Lombardi trophy. Some of you would rather pout about how the poor Ravens were supposed to win against the Black and Gold Brigade. That is a loser mentality, not a hand in the pile let's get this shit done mentality.

At least partially a function of our division facing the weakest schedule in the NFL.

The NFC West was 35-33 and the AFC South was 34-34…their records weighed down by one bad team each.

Wouldn’t call that weak.

[anpsteel]

Smallest staff in the league

Lowest paid staff in the league

Rooney is legendarily cheap

This isn’t hard to figure out

You gotta pay for talent

Talented people aren’t dumb or naive

They know what they are worth

Young, hungry, talented people are not that short sighted. They look for growth opportunities

You are an idiot if you genuinely believe there are great staff candidates who would turn down a reasonable offer from the Steelers

It’s ALL ABOUT the money and Rooney won’t pay it

I wholeheartedly disagree it's about the Rooney's and money.

It's a function of Tomlin not giving up control on both sides of the ball.

Since LeBeau on Defense, and Haley on Offense, Tomlin has put in place Coordinators, that he both controls and dictates scheme and plan to.

He has them run on game days, but we know he overrides them periodically, and in some cases regularly.

We know this from the various coordinators that have come through that have made it clear, they didn't control what was being run. Both Butler and Canada made that crystal clear.

[bradshaw2ben]

I do recall Steeler teams going into the last week of the season and beating teams with their backups to keep said teams out of the playoffs. That must be too large of a hurdle for Harbawl. Maybe when Pittsburgh heads back to Baltimore and takes 3 games from them this year we will hear the new excuse why the Steelers suck and beat poor teams.

5-1 in the only division to have all the teams finish above .500 since the league merger. Historical achievement. Similar to when the Steelers were the first 6th seed to win a Superb-Owl. The table is now set to be the first 7th seed to win a Lombardi trophy. Some of you would rather pout about how the poor Ravens were supposed to win against the Black and Gold Brigade. That is a loser mentality, not a hand in the pile let's get this shit done mentality.

At least partially a function of our division facing the weakest schedule in the NFL.

The NFC West was 35-33 and the AFC South was 34-34…their records weighed down by one bad team each.

Wouldn’t call that weak.

Actually, I retract that statement. The losses to 2-10 teams had me reeling.

On paper, CIN, PIT, & CLE had the 1st 2nd, and 3rd hardest schedules in the NFL, and BAL was 5th. The Steelers did seem to catch everyone at just the right moment, though. That's football, I guess.

[Mick]

You seriously don't think the Bengals are a different team with a healthy Burrow starting instead of Browning? You don’t think the Ravens play week 18 tougher if they had something to play for? You think the Steelers still win Browns 1 if Nick Chubb's knee doesn't explode in the 2nd quarter when he was running all over the D with a 6 ypc average?

5-1 is 5-1, but the Steelers had a lot of luck in the Divisional games this year. Hell, the Steelers should have beaten the Browns twice given they started DTF in game 2- only a combination of atrocious Canada play calling and atrocious KP QB play turned that game into a loss. Warren came close to willing the team to a win that day.

I do recall Steeler teams going into the last week of the season and beating teams with their backups to keep said teams out of the playoffs. That must be too large of a hurdle for Harbawl. Maybe when Pittsburgh heads back to Baltimore and takes 3 games from them this year we will hear the new excuse why the Steelers suck and beat poor teams.

5-1 in the only division to have all the teams finish above .500 since the league merger. Historical achievement. Similar to when the Steelers were the first 6th seed to win a Superb-Owl. The table is now set to be the first 7th seed to win a Lombardi trophy. Some of you would rather pout about how the poor Ravens were supposed to win against the Black and Gold Brigade. That is a loser mentality, not a hand in the pile let's get this shit done mentality.

At least partially a function of our division facing the weakest schedule in the NFL.

based on you making that up?

The NFC West finished with the best record in the NFC. The AFC south finished with the best record (other than AFCN) in the AFC. Sagarin has the AFCN as facing the hardest, 3rd hardest, 6th hardest, and 8th hardest schedules in the NFL.

[bradshaw2ben]

@Mick SEE the post before yours. mea culpa.

[daikyu]

Well said.

The Tomlin hate colors everything. 10-7 has to have all kinds of asterisks because Tomlin could not possibly help contribute to the record. At the beginning of the season I think most here would have been happy with a 10-7 record but it did not occur in a way that some approved of. So we get a whole lot of "what aboutisms" when it comes to discussing the team.

I said earlier in the thread that Tomlin has to move on. It will benefit the team and himself if a change were to occur. I just get so tired of "Tomlin is the worst coach in the NFL" injected into every thread about everything.

I do recall Steeler teams going into the last week of the season and beating teams with their backups to keep said teams out of the playoffs. That must be too large of a hurdle for Harbawl. Maybe when Pittsburgh heads back to Baltimore and takes 3 games from them this year we will hear the new excuse why the Steelers suck and beat poor teams.

5-1 in the only division to have all the teams finish above .500 since the league merger. Historical achievement. Similar to when the Steelers were the first 6th seed to win a Superb-Owl. The table is now set to be the first 7th seed to win a Lombardi trophy. Some of you would rather pout about how the poor Ravens were supposed to win against the Black and Gold Brigade. That is a loser mentality, not a hand in the pile let's get this shit done mentality.

At least partially a function of our division facing the weakest schedule in the NFL.

based on you making that up?

The NFC West finished with the best record in the NFC. The AFC south finished with the best record (other than AFCN) in the AFC. Sagarin has the AFCN as facing the hardest, 3rd hardest, 6th hardest, and 8th hardest schedules in the NFL.

[jeemie]

At least partially a function of our division facing the weakest schedule in the NFL.

The NFC West was 35-33 and the AFC South was 34-34…their records weighed down by one bad team each.

Wouldn’t call that weak.

Actually, I retract that statement. The losses to 2-10 teams had me reeling.

On paper, CIN, PIT, & CLE had the 1st 2nd, and 3rd hardest schedules in the NFL, and BAL was 5th. The Steelers did seem to catch everyone at just the right moment, though. That's football, I guess.

Now this I agree with.

[jeemie]

Well said.

The Tomlin hate colors everything. 10-7 has to have all kinds of asterisks because Tomlin could not possibly help contribute to the record. At the beginning of the season I think most here would have been happy with a 10-7 record but it did not occur in a way that some approved of. So we get a whole lot of "what aboutisms" when it comes to discussing the team.

I said earlier in the thread that Tomlin has to move on. It will benefit the team and himself if a change were to occur. I just get so tired of "Tomlin is the worst coach in the NFL" injected into every thread about everything.

At least partially a function of our division facing the weakest schedule in the NFL.

based on you making that up?

The NFC West finished with the best record in the NFC. The AFC south finished with the best record (other than AFCN) in the AFC. Sagarin has the AFCN as facing the hardest, 3rd hardest, 6th hardest, and 8th hardest schedules in the NFL.

He did help contribute to the record…in both positive and negative ways.

My biggest problem with Tomlin is his severely risk averse philosophy (save for when NHALS is on the line).

It is geared towards getting 9-10 wins a season, not winning championships.

I’m not impressed with 9-8/10-7 in a league where only 14 of the 32 teams finished with 8 or fewer wins.

That’s right…56% of the NFL finished with a 9-8 or better record. 33% finished with 10 or more wins.

So yay, the Steelers are in the bottom of the top third to top half of the NFL every year? This is laudable?

[SteelerDayTrader]

Young, hungry, talented people are not that short sighted. They look for growth opportunities

You are an idiot if you genuinely believe there are great staff candidates who would turn down a reasonable offer from the Steelers

It’s ALL ABOUT the money and Rooney won’t pay it

I wholeheartedly disagree it's about the Rooney's and money.

It's a function of Tomlin not giving up control on both sides of the ball.

Since LeBeau on Defense, and Haley on Offense, Tomlin has put in place Coordinators, that he both controls and dictates scheme and plan to.

He has them run on game days, but we know he overrides them periodically, and in some cases regularly.

We know this from the various coordinators that have come through that have made it clear, they didn't control what was being run. Both Butler and Canada made that crystal clear.

[langer]

So yay, the Steelers are in the bottom of the top third to top half of the NFL every year? This is laudable?

But he has overcome so much bigotry and suppression, oppression, hate, xenophobia, struggle for individuation, colonialism, and all kinds of stuff just to be able to get to this point! It's historical! He is historical!

[anpsteel]

You are an idiot if you genuinely believe there are great staff candidates who would turn down a reasonable offer from the Steelers

It’s ALL ABOUT the money and Rooney won’t pay it

I wholeheartedly disagree it's about the Rooney's and money.

It's a function of Tomlin not giving up control on both sides of the ball.

Since LeBeau on Defense, and Haley on Offense, Tomlin has put in place Coordinators, that he both controls and dictates scheme and plan to.

He has them run on game days, but we know he overrides them periodically, and in some cases regularly.

We know this from the various coordinators that have come through that have made it clear, they didn't control what was being run. Both Butler and Canada made that crystal clear.

There is no verifiable evidence that the Rooneys are cheap. That's a outdated myth.

Are they frugal? Sure. They are in one of the smaller television markets, and don't have the overall wealth that many of the new owners have.

Will they spend to put coaches and players in place? Evidence says yes.

Their HC is at the top tier of coaches being paid. They have multiple players that have been paid top 1-3 at their respective positions.

The state of the coordinators and staff in general, is, imo, a result of Tomlin's decisions, not Art's.

We know that Art has the final sign off on the Coordinator positions, but since Haley and LeBeau, I don't think he's either pushed or overridden any of Tomlin's choices.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I wholeheartedly disagree it's about the Rooney's and money.

It's a function of Tomlin not giving up control on both sides of the ball.

Since LeBeau on Defense, and Haley on Offense, Tomlin has put in place Coordinators, that he both controls and dictates scheme and plan to.

He has them run on game days, but we know he overrides them periodically, and in some cases regularly.

We know this from the various coordinators that have come through that have made it clear, they didn't control what was being run. Both Butler and Canada made that crystal clear.

There is no verifiable evidence that the Rooneys are cheap. That's a outdated myth.

Are they frugal? Sure. They are in one of the smaller television markets, and don't have the overall wealth that many of the new owners have.

Will they spend to put coaches and players in place? Evidence says yes.

Their HC is at the top tier of coaches being paid. They have multiple players that have been paid top 1-3 at their respective positions.

The state of the coordinators and staff in general, is, imo, a result of Tomlin's decisions, not Art's.

We know that Art has the final sign off on the Coordinator positions, but since Haley and LeBeau, I don't think he's either pushed or overridden any of Tomlin's choices.

[SteelPro]

I don’t know how cheap ownership is in terms to coaching staff. They do have a smaller staff than most. I think they have 19 coaching staff members. League average is 21.5. You won’t find data on coaching contracts of assistants so no idea if they are offering less than other teams. If they are that is more impactful at the upper levels of the staff than lower levels. I highly doubt they are nickel and diming quality control coaches. I could see them allocating less than other teams for an OC of DC. Keep in mind taxes and market size make a difference here. Teams in larger markets and coastal markets need to compensate higher.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I don’t know how cheap ownership is in terms to coaching staff. They do have a smaller staff than most. I think they have 19 coaching staff members. League average is 21.5. You won’t find data on coaching contracts of assistants so no idea if they are offering less than other teams. If they are that is more impactful at the upper levels of the staff than lower levels. I highly doubt they are nickel and diming quality control coaches. I could see them allocating less than other teams for an OC of DC. Keep in mind taxes and market size make a difference here. Teams in larger markets and coastal markets need to compensate higher.

The Steelers are worth 4 billion

It’s highly likely Rooney is liquid 500 million in addition to other assets at minimum and well over a billion is not at all unlikely

Trust me. These greedy owners ARE NOT settling for anything close to just 1% a year profit on their multi billion dollar teams but if they were Rooney would be pocketing 40 million a year + ROI of likely 1 billion + or something close + any other assets/investments

I don’t EVER wanna hear any rationale for underspending on one of the most storied teams in all of worldwide history

Fuck that

Far less wealthy nfl owner pricks spend much more

I don’t expect the most or the biggest

In the top 10 is not at all unreasonable

Bottom of the entire league is complete bullshit. Always

[jeemie]

The only owner that has less net worth than Art II is Mike Brown, who has precisely two more people in the coaching staff than the Steelers.

Rooney's net worth is estimated at around $1.2 B so yes, it IS highly doubtful that he has $500 M liquid.

PS Steelers are worth $4.625 B...good for 18th out of the 32 teams..but within striking distance of 15th place. Dallas, the #1 team, is worth almost twice as much.

[SteelPro]

I don’t know how cheap ownership is in terms to coaching staff. They do have a smaller staff than most. I think they have 19 coaching staff members. League average is 21.5. You won’t find data on coaching contracts of assistants so no idea if they are offering less than other teams. If they are that is more impactful at the upper levels of the staff than lower levels. I highly doubt they are nickel and diming quality control coaches. I could see them allocating less than other teams for an OC of DC. Keep in mind taxes and market size make a difference here. Teams in larger markets and coastal markets need to compensate higher.

The Steelers are worth 4 billion

It’s highly likely Rooney is liquid 500 million in addition to other assets at minimum and well over a billion is not at all unlikely

Trust me. These greedy owners ARE NOT settling for anything close to just 1% a year profit on their multi billion dollar teams but if they were Rooney would be pocketing 40 million a year + ROI of likely 1 billion + or something close + any other assets/investments

I don’t EVER wanna hear any rationale for underspending on one of the most storied teams in all of worldwide history

Fuck that

Far less wealthy nfl owner pricks spend much more

I don’t expect the most or the biggest

In the top 10 is not at all unreasonable

Bottom of the entire league is complete bullshit. Always

You have zero evidence they underspend on staff. For all you know they have a top 10 budget for coaching staff and this is simply how Tomlin chooses to allocate it. You might be right. But it is purely conjecture.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I don’t know how cheap ownership is in terms to coaching staff. They do have a smaller staff than most. I think they have 19 coaching staff members. League average is 21.5. You won’t find data on coaching contracts of assistants so no idea if they are offering less than other teams. If they are that is more impactful at the upper levels of the staff than lower levels. I highly doubt they are nickel and diming quality control coaches. I could see them allocating less than other teams for an OC of DC. Keep in mind taxes and market size make a difference here. Teams in larger markets and coastal markets need to compensate higher.

The Steelers are worth 4 billion

It’s highly likely Rooney is liquid 500 million in addition to other assets at minimum and well over a billion is not at all unlikely

Trust me. These greedy owners ARE NOT settling for anything close to just 1% a year profit on their multi billion dollar teams but if they were Rooney would be pocketing 40 million a year + ROI of likely 1 billion + or something close + any other assets/investments

I don’t EVER wanna hear any rationale for underspending on one of the most storied teams in all of worldwide history

Fuck that

Far less wealthy nfl owner pricks spend much more

I don’t expect the most or the biggest

In the top 10 is not at all unreasonable

Bottom of the entire league is complete bullshit. Always

You have zero evidence they underspend on staff. For all you know they have a top 10 budget for coaching staff and this is simply how Tomlin chooses to allocate it. You might be right. But it is purely conjecture.

Don’t be obtuse

[Greeksteel]

havent gone through the thread but i see zero reason to eat any Tomlin crow.

Oh but you should go through the thread for the entertainment value.

lol So i did. Yes fairly amusing.

I'm fully with Drama re his post on Cowher/Tomlin. He nailed that one.

[SteelerDayTrader]

The only owner that has less net worth than Art II is Mike Brown, who has precisely two more people in the coaching staff than the Steelers.

Rooney's net worth is estimated at around $1.2 B so yes, it IS highly doubtful that he has $500 M liquid.

PS Steelers are worth $4.625 B...good for 18th out of the 32 teams..but within striking distance of 15th place. Dallas, the #1 team, is worth almost twice as much.

Jeemie

How the fuck can someone not be liquid AT LEAST motherfucking 500 mil liquid AND have a net worth 1.2 son of a bitch billion AND have an NFL team worth 4.6 jackass billion AND pocket AT LEAST fuckbastard 100 mil a year from the team IN ADDITION to any other income streams typical of multi motherfuck prick-tastic billionaires ??

Not possible


Motherfucker Kraft bastard goes to strip mall used up Asian hoes for handys and you motherfucking think bitch ass Rooney doesn’t have AT LEAST son of bitch 500 million in BlackRock and Vanguard doing ALL the heavy lifting for him ????

Jesus jump roping Christ son !!!!

????

[jeemie]

Do you understand what "liquid" means?

If you think half of Rooney's net worth is liquid, you're insane.

He is likely highly leveraged because of the debt he and his father took on to buy out those shares they needed to complete the takeover in 2009...but it is highly improbable that half his net worth is made of liquid assets.

That would be monumentally stupid wealth management.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Do you understand what "liquid" means?

If you think half of Rooney's net worth is liquid, you're insane.

He is likely highly leveraged because of the debt he and his father took on to buy out those shares they needed to complete the takeover in 2009...but it is highly improbable that half his net worth is made of liquid assets.

That would be monumentally stupid wealth management.

Liquid means assets easily converted to cash such as Vanguard and BlackRock index funds

If think he doesn’t have AT LEAST 500 million in those are quite possibly 1 billion or more you are crazy

[Deebo]

The only owner that has less net worth than Art II is Mike Brown, who has precisely two more people in the coaching staff than the Steelers.

Rooney's net worth is estimated at around $1.2 B so yes, it IS highly doubtful that he has $500 M liquid.

PS Steelers are worth $4.625 B...good for 18th out of the 32 teams..but within striking distance of 15th place. Dallas, the #1 team, is worth almost twice as much.

Jeemie

How the fuck can someone not be liquid AT LEAST motherfucking 500 mil liquid AND have a net worth 1.2 son of a bitch billion AND have an NFL team worth 4.6 jackass billion AND pocket AT LEAST fuckbastard 100 mil a year from the team IN ADDITION to any other income streams typical of multi motherfuck prick-tastic billionaires ??

Not possible


Motherfucker Kraft bastard goes to strip mall used up Asian hoes for handys and you motherfucking think bitch ass Rooney doesn’t have AT LEAST son of bitch 500 million in BlackRock and Vanguard doing ALL the heavy lifting for him ????

Jesus jump roping Christ son !!!!

????

FALSE

[955876]

Do you understand what "liquid" means?

If you think half of Rooney's net worth is liquid, you're insane.

He is likely highly leveraged because of the debt he and his father took on to buy out those shares they needed to complete the takeover in 2009...but it is highly improbable that half his net worth is made of liquid assets.

That would be monumentally stupid wealth management.

Liquid means assets easily converted to cash such as Vanguard and BlackRock index funds

If think he doesn’t have AT LEAST 500 million in those are quite possibly 1 billion or more you are crazy

Given you deal with pennies rather than large amounts of capital I suspect you are ignoring the tax consequences of moving that type of money around.

[DumlinBumlinStumlin]

STDonkeyKong

[jeemie]

Do you understand what "liquid" means?

If you think half of Rooney's net worth is liquid, you're insane.

He is likely highly leveraged because of the debt he and his father took on to buy out those shares they needed to complete the takeover in 2009...but it is highly improbable that half his net worth is made of liquid assets.

That would be monumentally stupid wealth management.

Liquid means assets easily converted to cash such as Vanguard and BlackRock index funds

If think he doesn’t have AT LEAST 500 million in those are quite possibly 1 billion or more you are crazy

Given you deal with pennies rather than large amounts of capital I suspect you are ignoring the tax consequences of moving that type of money around.

You mean it would be dumb to have almost 100% of his net worth in liquid assets?

You don't SAY...

[955876]

Well, to be fair, money held at Blackrock and/or Vanguard (in non-qualified accts.) are still considered to be liquid assets because they can be easily converted to cash.

But that is looking through a very basic and narrow lens.

That type of wealth most certainly has major tax consequences if liquidated.

Plus as was stated, could likely be pledged assets to secure funding for the buyout.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Do you understand what "liquid" means?

If you think half of Rooney's net worth is liquid, you're insane.

He is likely highly leveraged because of the debt he and his father took on to buy out those shares they needed to complete the takeover in 2009...but it is highly improbable that half his net worth is made of liquid assets.

That would be monumentally stupid wealth management.

Liquid means assets easily converted to cash such as Vanguard and BlackRock index funds

If think he doesn’t have AT LEAST 500 million in those are quite possibly 1 billion or more you are crazy

Given you deal with pennies rather than large amounts of capital I suspect you are ignoring the tax consequences of moving that type of money around.

Who’s moving it around ?? Rooney ???

Lolololz not a chance

Let me make this simple for you

After all taxes expenses DRIPs etc

- Rooney is pocketing AT LEAST 90 million per year from the Steelers and probably 200 million or more

- Additionally he’s pocketing AT LEAST 20 million per year from Vanguard BlackRock etc and probably 50 million or more

250 million per year doing nothing but hookers and blow. Lol

That’s not counting the massive income from so called “debt” attached to the Steelers

And the zero tax liability of said “debt”

And be honest 95

Have you EVER met a truly wealthy guy who didn’t have a significant amount underneath going on somewhere/somehow ??