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Re: Two year extension for Tomlin

Post by Gonzo » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:03 am

DrMalba wrote:
tunch wrote:
Still Lit wrote:Chip Kelly, for instance, has done nothing.


He won his major conference three times in four years with a second-rate program and then he took over a 4-12 team and gone 20-13 with Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, and Michael Vick.

You're showing your ass here.


Wonderful, the Donald Trump of steelerfury has returned.

This season should be the perfect laboratory to confirm your enthusiasm for your guys.

If Kelly can win this year with his one-legged QB then i'll consider him for that Canton bust you seem to already have polished for him. I think he'll be fortunate to limp into the playoffs in a division with only one contender, and if history is any indication, his QB will sadly be the one doing most of the limping.

Meanwhile your other beloved Tomlin replacement now has the QB that Kelly took to the playoffs, so I expect with the standard of bold decision making and defense they have, he'll be super-bowl bound.

I'm sure with either outcome you'll let us ladies know how right you are.


Wonderful job of exxagerating and reclassifying the original statement.



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Post by drmalba » Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:40 am

Gonzo wrote:Wonderful job of exxagerating and reclassifying the original statement.


Last season tunch logged in for a similar trolling session and declared Jeff Fisher and Chip Kelly, either/or of the Harbaugh brothers, and one or two random college coaches with some bright ideas, would all make better coaches than Tomlin.

I suppose its unfair to Chip Kelly, who's only two seasons in, but I can't help but notice if you combine all those guys you have the same number of Super Bowl wins as the guy you have now. But there I go again, letting my woman-thinking get in the way of whatever hard science from gambling websites makes guys who haven't won the big one more valuable than guys who have.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:10 am

DrMalba wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Wonderful job of exxagerating and reclassifying the original statement.


Last season tunch logged in for a similar trolling session and declared Jeff Fisher and Chip Kelly, either/or of the Harbaugh brothers, and one or two random college coaches with some bright ideas, would all make better coaches than Tomlin.

I suppose its unfair to Chip Kelly, who's only two seasons in, but I can't help but notice if you combine all those guys you have the same number of Super Bowl wins as the guy you have now. But there I go again, letting my woman-thinking get in the way of whatever hard science from gambling websites makes guys who haven't won the big one more valuable than guys who have.

Hey it works for Peyton, Luck, Rivers, Rodgers, Romo, are all better than Ben.
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Post by V DUB » Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:06 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:
DrMalba wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Wonderful job of exxagerating and reclassifying the original statement.


Last season tunch logged in for a similar trolling session and declared Jeff Fisher and Chip Kelly, either/or of the Harbaugh brothers, and one or two random college coaches with some bright ideas, would all make better coaches than Tomlin.

I suppose its unfair to Chip Kelly, who's only two seasons in, but I can't help but notice if you combine all those guys you have the same number of Super Bowl wins as the guy you have now. But there I go again, letting my woman-thinking get in the way of whatever hard science from gambling websites makes guys who haven't won the big one more valuable than guys who have.

Hey it works for Peyton, Luck, Rivers, Rodgers, Romo, are all better than Ben.


So is this like thought masturbation with "the perfect coach"? Kelly can go 10-6 but our stay at home housewife does 11-5, but damn...he was so much sexier getting that extra loss.

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Post by tunch » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:48 pm

DrMalba wrote:
tunch wrote:Wonderful, the Donald Trump of steelerfury has returned.

This season should be the perfect laboratory to confirm your enthusiasm for your guys.

If Kelly can win this year with his one-legged QB then i'll consider him for that Canton bust you seem to already have polished for him. I think he'll be fortunate to limp into the playoffs in a division with only one contender, and if history is any indication, his QB will sadly be the one doing most of the limping.

Meanwhile your other beloved Tomlin replacement now has the QB that Kelly took to the playoffs, so I expect with the standard of bold decision making and defense they have, he'll be super-bowl bound.

I'm sure with either outcome you'll let us ladies know how right you are.


First off, statutory rapist Mark Sanchez should go back to Mexico.

Second, I won't draw any meaningful conclusions from one season.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Jul 31, 2015 3:50 pm

tunch wrote:Here's the definition of hater:

Downplaying any of Chip Kelly's accomplishments as anything other than really fucking impressive.


Hey bare ass, that's what you're doing to Tomlin. I thought only women were inconsistent. Or maybe you have tits. I actually think just about every coach in the league is probably an extremely talented at and highly intelligent about football, including Kelly. These coaches and athletes are the best in the world. Succeeding at this level is not easy, though bitching about them sure is. You can moan all you like about how terrible Tomlin is. He's done very well relative to others in the league. That is a fact.

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JackLambert58 wrote:I am certainly not a Tomlin "hater" but curious to know what qualifies as a "hater."


5 criteria off the top of my head.

1. You only log in to bash Tomlin and the overwhelming majority of your posts are Tomlin bashing.
2. Unable to say / admit anything positive about Tomlin.
3. You actually believe the potted plant line and that he has convinced the Rooney's to pay him for doing nothing. (This is my favorite.)
4. You actually think he should be fired based on his record with the team.
5. You want Tomlin to be replaced by IBM's WATSON or Chip Kelly.

Criticism of Tomlin's many fuck ups certainly does not make you a hater.


Well. I just logged on.
And only logged on to reply to this.
The potted plant line is only a response to the argument that he isn't really repsonsible for anything
I think he he should fired
Based on his statements, I do want him replaced by Deep Blue or HAL 9000 as I see no difference.
I guess I may fail the test as I do admit when he won a SB he was enthusiastic and a bold teacher, which is positive. But to try and outweigh that with negativity and be a certified Tomlin "hater" he stopped doing that a long time ago. And I will add he is terrible draft helper.

Potted plants had no hand in removing Arians or Lebeau, neutering the O,playing passive D, or easing in.


HAL 9000. Ha ha. Quality response. I dare say (1) is probably the biggest tell and you certainly cannot be said to be guilty of that. Unclear Tunch logs on to do anything other than complain about Tomlin's illnumerate coaching.

I'm excited to see how Tomlin steers the ship this season. I don't deny that there is some truth in what you and Tunch say about Tomlin. I think I have a more generous (ignorant?) disposition about coaching given how hard it probably is.

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Post by Kodiak » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:16 pm

Still Lit wrote:I'm excited to see how Tomlin steers the ship this season. I don't deny that there is some truth in what you and Tunch say about Tomlin. I think I have a more generous (ignorant?) disposition about coaching given how hard it probably is.


IMO, you differentiate yourself as a notch above the average coach when you've demonstrated an ability to rebuild/reload and remain competitive year-after-year. Tomlin is going on Yr5 trying to demonstrate that. It doesn't take that long to rebuild - the simple fact is this team had several years of mediocre to awful drafts, not to mention some of the better picks include Mendenhall and Wallace which aren't helping them now.

I hope they DO have the makings of a SB contender, because not going to another SB, much less winning one, in the backhalf of Ben's career is not defensible IMO.
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Post by jeemie » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:20 pm

It didn't take five years.

It took two.
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Post by Kodiak » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:12 pm

Jeemie wrote:It didn't take five years.

It took two.


Hmmm....I was under the impression we haven't won a playoff game since 2010.
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Post by jeemie » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:45 pm

Kodiak wrote:
Jeemie wrote:It didn't take five years.

It took two.


Hmmm....I was under the impression we haven't won a playoff game since 2010.


That does not mean the team was rebuilding all that time.

They missed the playoffs two years...each time by one game...then reloaded with some players and got back to the playoffs.
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Post by Havoc » Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:02 am

Some thoughts...

Coaches can make all the difference.

I like to use the 2009 Vikings as an example in football. It is a good one.

During the early part of that season, there was a power struggle between the conservative HC Childress and Favre who wanted a wide open offense.

Childress wanted to use the run game to set up the passing game. When they ran the offense this way, it bogged down. It was not dynamic and it struggled.

When Favre had his way and they ran a wide open offense, the offense came alive and was one of the best in the league.

Eventually Childress gave in. If he hadn't, that team would not have come anywhere close to having the kind of season they had.

I once saw a college basketball coach cost his team a national championship by pulling the plug on his team far too soon allowing the opposition that did not even belong in the same gym an opportunity they almost certainly never would have had if he had kept his foot on the gas at least until late in the game. It happens.

System sometimes means everything regarding getting the most out of a players skillset in both football and basketball. That's coaching (or GM, or both).

Haley was not brought here to first assess the personnel and then choose what type of offense he wanted to run. He was brought here to run a type of offense he wanted to run with some tweaks according to personnel. I did not like Haley for his first 2+ years at all... looked a little like Childress failure when he controlled the Vikings offense in 2009. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying our offense could have been great or even good, but I do believe it could have been better. I mean, it was dismal and painful to watch at times and for significant stretches. Too much forcing the run at times on early downs resulting in putting the qb in less than optimal position and having to bail the OC out. Too much not using the entire football field enough. The players did let him down at times with some key drops and key missed throws, so it was players failures too. Haley has been building something here though. We saw some good results last year. It's not the offense I would prefer with Ben in his prime. I would prefer more 4 wide sets and more spread and shred. But if it works, I will support it.

I have confidence in Haley/Tomlin when the OL is opening holes in the run game. I am still concerned about Haley/Tomlin when we cannot run the football.

Mike McCarthy spent of good part of the 2010 season searching for a reliable run game. He stayed committed to this. He wanted to establish the run. Late in the season they did find an effective run game and it helped them get to the sb. Due to the matchup, they ran the football a total of 11 times that game, (not 13 times due to 2 runs by Rodgers). In the playoffs leading up to the sb they ran it 32 times, 31 times, 32 times. One of those games was played inside a dome. Many coaches would not have adjusted like this that day. I'm not saying McCarthy has never failed. I am saying coaching matters and can be the difference.

I found this article with an interesting perspective on that game. I am not saying I agree with all of it.

Abandoning the run key to Packers' Super Bowl victory

RRSTAR.COM | Assistant sports editor Matt Trowbridge loves to cover (and argue about) everything, from pros to preps. He's been at the Register Star since 1990.
By Matt Trowbridge

Posted Feb. 7, 2011 at 12:01 AM
Updated Feb 7, 2011 at 6:23 AM

Fox TV analyst Troy Aikman was shocked the Packers rarely ran in Sunday’s Super Bowl. Early in their final drive, he said he never would have believed Mike McCarthy would abandon the running game.
Neither did Quick Shots. That’s why this space picked Pittsburgh to win. Instead, Green Bay’s McCarthy was the biggest difference, trusting Aaron Rodgers (24-for-39 for 304 yards and three TDs) to throw the Packers to a 31-25 Super Bowl win.
Throwing on 39 of 50 downs was the smart way to attack the NFL’s third-best run defense in the past 33 years. Yet Aikman wanted to run more. Everybody always wants to run more. But except for one 50-yard Pittsburgh drive early in the third quarter, both teams did all their scoring when they passed on virtually every down.
Hopefully, coaches and critics were watching in Chicago. Despite hiring pass-happy offensive coordinator Mike Martz, the Bears ranked last in the NFL in pass attempts, and still the No. 1 complaint was the Bears didn’t run enough.
Shotgun shoots down Steelers
Ben Roethlisberger again converted long third downs, converting on 3 of 5 of at least 9 yards. He played poorly mostly because Pittsburgh coach Mike Tomlin put him in worse situations than McCarthy put Aaron Rodgers. The run never set up a Roethlisberger pass: he as 1-for-4 for 4 yards on play-action.
Rodgers was given more downs to click than Roethlsiberger. His 38-yard pass on third-and-10 to set up Green Bay’s final TD came on the Packers’ 11th consecutive pass play. His 31-yard pass on third-and-10 from their own 25 late in the game was Green Bay’s 16th consecutive passing play. And both long gains were out of the shotgun formation, used on 10 of those 16 plays.
ESPN.com’s Tim Graham wrote this game shows Roethlisberger is not in Tom Brady’s league. No, it showed the value of the shotgun. Until his final two passes, Roethlisberger had a 111.6 passer rating out of the shotgun (15-for-21 for 192 yards with 2 TDs and one interception), plus an 18-yard scramble. He just wasn’t in the shotgun enough (1 of his first 10 plays in the second half). Brady threw all three of his first-half TD passes against the Bears out of the shotgun earlier this season, and Matt Flynn and Brady threw all five of their TDs in their 67 plays from the shotgun in the Patriots’ win over the Packers.
Not going to the well too often
One of the best things Green Bay did was immediately pass after its three good runs. When James Starks ran for 7 yards, the Packers threw two straight passes to gain 31 yards and score a TD. When he ran for 12, Aaron Rodgers threw a 21-yard TD pass on the next play. Only when he ran for 14 did the Packers follow with another run. Starks gained 1 yard and the Packers eventually kicked a field goal.


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Post by bradshaw2ben » Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:18 am

BOOM

best post of the young season
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Post by tunch » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:29 am

Watching the Steelers get outcoached by Fat Dumb Mike McCarthy was my lowest point as a fan. They schemed like Pouncey was in the game.

But it feels good not to be a Pack fan and have to endure that idiot fucking up a legend's prime. I think that'd be worse than being a Browns fan.

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Post by jeemie » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:46 pm

I will say- I did think an error made by the coaches in the Super Bowl was to run a little too much, even though Mendenhall was effective. I think Arians did that because the protections were so shaky in the beginning.

And I am not kidding...when it was 2nd and 1 at the 35 and they went to the break after the third quarter, I told my wife I wanted them to come out throwing on second down...they'd been pounding it with Mendenhall and I thought- right after the break would be the perfect time to catch them cheating on the run.

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Post by Jobu » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:45 pm

tunch wrote:Watching the Steelers get outcoached by Fat Dumb Mike McCarthy was my lowest point as a fan. They schemed like Pouncey was in the game.

But it feels good not to be a Pack fan and have to endure that idiot fucking up a legend's prime. I think that'd be worse than being a Browns fan.

Rodgers is a "legend"???

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Post by tunch » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:46 pm

I was also completely exaggerating. My two worst fan moments were the AFCCG against the Chargers and Cowher's field goal against the Pats in the 2001 AFCCG.

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Post by Jobu » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:52 pm

I was also completely exaggerating.

Got it! ;)
My two worst fan moments were the AFCCG against the Chargers

I sat in stunned silence. :shock:
and Cowher's field goal against the Pats in the 2001 AFCCG.

The very moment my dislike of Cowher turned to full blown hatred. :twisted:

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Post by jeemie » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:56 pm

Jobus Rum wrote:
and Cowher's field goal against the Pats in the 2001 AFCCG.

The very moment my dislike of Cowher turned to full blown hatred. :twisted:


2004 but this too was my worst moment as a fan...I had a growing dislike for Cowher for those 14 years, but after that decision was the first time I wanted him gone.

By far, hands down, the stupidest decision Bill Cowher ever made.

Only Steeler coaching decision that comes close to it in terms of sheer stupidity was Mike "I play to win, baby!" Tomlin's decision in the AFCWCG against Jax to go for two from the 12 yard line (although third and fucking six in that same game comes close as well).
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Post by Jobu » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:10 pm

By far, hands down, the stupidest decision Bill Cowher ever made.

Without a doubt. There is no reasonable explanation to justify that decision.

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Post by jeemie » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:49 pm

Jobus Rum wrote:
By far, hands down, the stupidest decision Bill Cowher ever made.

Without a doubt. There is no reasonable explanation to justify that decision.


I remember Naelae arguing with me- he defended Cowher's decision. That argument was so much fun.
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Post by tunch » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:51 pm

Jobus Rum wrote:Rodgers is a "legend"???


Yes. He's the only guy I would take over Ben for next season.

And football season just isn't the same without some quality queer QB rumors.

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Post by Steelcody7 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:20 pm

tunch wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:Rodgers is a "legend"???


Yes. He's the only guy I would take over Ben for next season.

And football season just isn't the same without some quality queer QB rumors.


Rodgers isn't a legend.

Legend status comes after retirement. Brett Favre is a legend.

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Post by R_S » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:58 pm

Rodgers could retire today, and he still wouldn't be "legend". But I agree with you Cody

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