NE at Baltimore Game Comments

[Orangesteel]

Anything can happen in the playoffs, all you have to do is get a ticket to the dance.

Although - if Tomlin makes it as a WC, that bolsters his chances of a long term deal.

While I sure as fuck don’t want that, always root for Steelers winning above all else.

[LakecrestSteeler]

What you are saying is that the way things are going, is that 99% of the scenarios would not have a division winner Baltimore, playing a division winner NE, before playing a WC Pittsburgh! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Odds are not good for what I propose; who gives a shit about odds at this point. I would have enjoyed a NE smack down of the Ravens, but I think I enjoyed the smack down last night equally or more.

Maybe Baltimore exposed NE, and they will implode going forward

Baltimore and NYG have always seemed to have NE’s number more than most, if you saw Brady in the tunnel last night, his comments about Kryptonite reinforce the notion, and fuck Brady for making Superman comparisons.

[bradshaw2ben]

I do enjoy a New England ass whooping, even when it is the Ravens. Surprised at how easy it is to enjoy this game.

This game sadly makes our playoff hopes pretty dim now.

Barring a miracle.

How do you figure? PIT is 1/2 game behind the 2nd wildcard spot. 4-2 in the AFC. After a 1-4 start!

[Baltostiller]

What you are saying is that the way things are going, is that 99% of the scenarios would not have a division winner Baltimore, playing a division winner NE, before playing a WC Pittsburgh! Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Odds are not good for what I propose; who gives a shit about odds at this point. I would have enjoyed a NE smack down of the Ravens, but I think I enjoyed the smack down last night equally or more.

Maybe Baltimore exposed NE, and they will implode going forward

Baltimore and NYG have always seemed to have NE’s number more than most, if you saw Brady in the tunnel last night, his comments about Kryptonite reinforce the notion, and fuck Brady for making Superman comparisons.

After the ass whooping the Ravens D put on the Patriots, can we trade Butler for Martindale?

[955876]

What you are saying is that the way things are going, is that 99% of the scenarios would not have a division winner Baltimore, playing a division winner NE, before playing a WC Pittsburgh! Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Odds are not good for what I propose; who gives a shit about odds at this point. I would have enjoyed a NE smack down of the Ravens, but I think I enjoyed the smack down last night equally or more.

Maybe Baltimore exposed NE, and they will implode going forward

Baltimore and NYG have always seemed to have NE’s number more than most, if you saw Brady in the tunnel last night, his comments about Kryptonite reinforce the notion, and fuck Brady for making Superman comparisons.

After the ass whooping the Ravens D put on the Patriots, can we trade Butler for Martindale?

Lateral move.

How bout we trade Tomlin to Wash for draft pics and hire Martindale to be our HC?

I say that not knowing a damn thing bout Martindale. However, odds are he knows when to call a time out as well as throw the challenge flag.

Something we all laughed at Russ Grimm for saying as it was like duh, what HC can’t do those elementary things??

Now we know.

[K_C_]

I do enjoy a New England ass whooping, even when it is the Ravens. Surprised at how easy it is to enjoy this game.

This game sadly makes our playoff hopes pretty dim now.

Barring a miracle.

How do you figure? PIT is 1/2 game behind the 2nd wildcard spot. 4-2 in the AFC. After a 1-4 start!

I meant, but didn't write, our chances to win the division.

I believe if New England had taken care of the Ravens, we would have only been 1 game behind them. Then anything could happen.

[Ice]

Yep...Harbaugh also has qualified coordinators that game plan to the strength of their players...
And did anyone notice that with a 10 point lead, late in the 4th quarter, Harbaugh’s offense was still attacking down the field and looking to score?

Something Cowher definitely has on tomlin is that Cowher was smart enough to have quality assistants. Tomlin wants to surround himself with college buddy yes men.

Best hire Tomlin had was MM and he jumped ship. It’s no wonder why.

It's true, not much of a Tomlin coaching tree.

[Jobu]

Yep...Harbaugh also has qualified coordinators that game plan to the strength of their players...
And did anyone notice that with a 10 point lead, late in the 4th quarter, Harbaugh’s offense was still attacking down the field and looking to score?

Something Cowher definitely has on tomlin is that Cowher was smart enough to have quality assistants. Tomlin wants to surround himself with college buddy yes men.

Best hire Tomlin had was MM and he jumped ship. It’s no wonder why.

It's true, not much of a Tomlin coaching tree.

Well...Martavis Bryant coached high school football for a season while he was suspended. So there’s that...

[Ice]

[jeemie]

What you are saying is that the way things are going, is that 99% of the scenarios would not have a division winner Baltimore, playing a division winner NE, before playing a WC Pittsburgh! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Odds are not good for what I propose; who gives a shit about odds at this point. I would have enjoyed a NE smack down of the Ravens, but I think I enjoyed the smack down last night equally or more.

Maybe Baltimore exposed NE, and they will implode going forward

Baltimore and NYG have always seemed to have NE’s number more than most, if you saw Brady in the tunnel last night, his comments about Kryptonite reinforce the notion, and fuck Brady for making Superman comparisons.

Wait a minute? Are you backtracking?

Because your whole point for saying a Baltimore win was SBI because the Steelers as a wild card are more likely to avoid New England

Now you're agreeing it's not?

[LakecrestSteeler]

What you are saying is that the way things are going, is that 99% of the scenarios would not have a division winner Baltimore, playing a division winner NE, before playing a WC Pittsburgh! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Odds are not good for what I propose; who gives a shit about odds at this point. I would have enjoyed a NE smack down of the Ravens, but I think I enjoyed the smack down last night equally or more.

Maybe Baltimore exposed NE, and they will implode going forward

Baltimore and NYG have always seemed to have NE’s number more than most, if you saw Brady in the tunnel last night, his comments about Kryptonite reinforce the notion, and fuck Brady for making Superman comparisons.

Wait a minute? Are you backtracking?

Because your whole point for saying a Baltimore win was SBI because the Steelers as a wild card are more likely to avoid New England

Now you're agreeing it's not?

Not really back tracking; just confirming that I understood the posts questioning my line of thinking.

Can’t explain it, but somehow Baltimore’s victory will workout in our favor.

And for the record, I am not afraid to backtrack. I say stupid things from time to time, purposefully, accidentally, and/or honestly. Especially on the game-board, and the propensity can be higher directly after a victory or loss.

[Lynch]

Going to beg forgiveness in advance from the esteemed moderator of this esteemed website, as the proclamation I'm going to make is not really political.

Lakecrest....you've become the Elizabeth Warren of steelerfury.com, with your "mathematical gymnastics" of SBI straining credulity. Here's the deal. ANY path to the playoffs for this football team is SBI. A Ravens loss last night would have put the Steelers within one game, and barring a Steelers loss to either the Browns or Bengals would give the Steelers the tiebreaker for the division should they beat the Ravens in the regular season finale to end up tied.

Yes Swiss...but who cares about a playoff appearance unless it has a SuperBowl at the end of the run. The only way to have a SuperBowl at the end of the run involves not going to NE in January and insert your Lucy analogy.

The victory last night by the Ravens was SBI....every single SteelerFury poster knows the math doesn’t work with NE in the equation....so yes we need some mathematical gymnastics to spring over NE....Baltimore’s victory was it. Is this a pipe dream? Yes. Let me dream in peace Swiss!

Problem with this idea is the odds are high a wildcard berth gets us a date with New England in either the wildcard or divisional round.

Whether it's a 5 seed or a 6 seed.

We've seen Tomlin play the Catholic choir boy in that gay porn too many times.

[TemporaryDuck]

This game made me hate New England more. Every time a win by them will help the Steelers... they lose! I swear they do it on purpose.

I think the reason Baltimore often beats New England is that they are also a team heavy into data analysis. They were even so before Harbaugh. They've been at the data crunching game for over 2 decades now. Combine that with a punishing defense and the Pats have a hard time.

Personally, I didn't see much that was impressive about the Ravens in their game against us. Whoa, they beat our 4th String QB. And they lost to the Browns. Jackson is so overrated its just ridiculous. QB's like him almost never win the big one. In my memory this goes all the way back to Fran Tarkenton. They run around all season and then get stuffed at the end.

But, who knows, maybe the rats get lucky this year.

[Baltostiller]

What you are saying is that the way things are going, is that 99% of the scenarios would not have a division winner Baltimore, playing a division winner NE, before playing a WC Pittsburgh! Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Odds are not good for what I propose; who gives a shit about odds at this point. I would have enjoyed a NE smack down of the Ravens, but I think I enjoyed the smack down last night equally or more.

Maybe Baltimore exposed NE, and they will implode going forward

Baltimore and NYG have always seemed to have NE’s number more than most, if you saw Brady in the tunnel last night, his comments about Kryptonite reinforce the notion, and fuck Brady for making Superman comparisons.

After the ass whooping the Ravens D put on the Patriots, can we trade Butler for Martindale?

Lateral move.

How bout we trade Tomlin to Wash for draft pics and hire Martindale to be our HC?

I say that not knowing a damn thing bout Martindale. However, odds are he knows when to call a time out as well as throw the challenge flag.

Something we all laughed at Russ Grimm for saying as it was like duh, what HC can’t do those elementary things??

Now we know.

I remember thinking "what the fuck is Grimm talking about?" As you said, now we know. I would not have expected Dumblin to jump off the short bus of game management...

[bradshaw2ben]

The context of both the league coaching environment and the review process is important when judging the HC.

Most NFL coaches are managing games just about the same way, with some notable exceptions like Frank Reich and others who have a full time decision analyst who is relaying to them in real time whether going for it on 4th or kicking the FG or calling the TO increases the win pct and so on.

And the reviews are being upheld at an absurdly high rate compared to when this process started. If I heard the numbers correctly on MNF, fewer than 15% of rulings challenged by coaches are being overturned and something like less than 5% of DPI/OPI challenges resulted in a changed play.

No matter how good you are at challenging, it probably makes very little difference. Belichick is 0 for 3 at the bottom and Reich is at the top with 2 of 6. Tomlin is 1 for 4.

[Baltostiller]

The context of both the league coaching environment and the review process is important when judging the HC.

Most NFL coaches are managing games just about the same way, with some notable exceptions like Frank Reich and others who have a full time decision analyst who is relaying to them in real time whether going for it on 4th or kicking the FG or calling the TO increases the win pct and so on.

And the reviews are being upheld at an absurdly high rate compared to when this process started. If I heard the numbers correctly on MNF, fewer than 15% of rulings challenged by coaches are being overturned and something like less than 5% of DPI/OPI challenges resulted in a changed play.

No matter how good you are at challenging, it probably makes very little difference. Belichick is 0 for 3 at the bottom and Reich is at the top with 2 of 6. Tomlin is 1 for 4.

Forget challenges for the moment. Dumblin's clock management and use of TO's is below the line by a mile. Like a deer in the headlights out there.

[AirRescueFF]

Sooooo...is Teryl Austin helping him make these decisions?

Unconvinced there is any improvement.

[stillthere]

And the reviews are being upheld at an absurdly high rate compared to when this process started. If I heard the numbers correctly on MNF, fewer than 15% of rulings challenged by coaches are being overturned and something like less than 5% of DPI/OPI challenges resulted in a changed play.

I think with the PI challenges he said league wide so far this year was like 5 in 53 have been changed. I remember hearing the number and being amazed at how low the number was because most coaches are not throwing out the challenge unless there is probably a good gripe to be had along with some gamesmanship in spots.

[bradshaw2ben]

The context of both the league coaching environment and the review process is important when judging the HC.

Most NFL coaches are managing games just about the same way, with some notable exceptions like Frank Reich and others who have a full time decision analyst who is relaying to them in real time whether going for it on 4th or kicking the FG or calling the TO increases the win pct and so on.

And the reviews are being upheld at an absurdly high rate compared to when this process started. If I heard the numbers correctly on MNF, fewer than 15% of rulings challenged by coaches are being overturned and something like less than 5% of DPI/OPI challenges resulted in a changed play.

No matter how good you are at challenging, it probably makes very little difference. Belichick is 0 for 3 at the bottom and Reich is at the top with 2 of 6. Tomlin is 1 for 4.

Forget challenges for the moment. Dumblin's clock management and use of TO's is below the line by a mile. Like a deer in the headlights out there.

There are plenty of valid criticisms but I completely disagree with this assertion. His team was at or near the top of NFL in scoring differential in last two minutes of halves for several years running. Because you don’t like it or it doesn’t follow your mentality about how to use them doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a plan to make the pieces work together.

[bradshaw2ben]

Even in a game where the entirety of fandom wanted his head for mismanaging, he left his team with a minute on the clock, needing a FG. I hated how he got there and would have done many things differently— but he didn’t manage the game away, even if Vinatieri hadn’t missed the kick.

[Baltostiller]

The context of both the league coaching environment and the review process is important when judging the HC.

Most NFL coaches are managing games just about the same way, with some notable exceptions like Frank Reich and others who have a full time decision analyst who is relaying to them in real time whether going for it on 4th or kicking the FG or calling the TO increases the win pct and so on.

And the reviews are being upheld at an absurdly high rate compared to when this process started. If I heard the numbers correctly on MNF, fewer than 15% of rulings challenged by coaches are being overturned and something like less than 5% of DPI/OPI challenges resulted in a changed play.

No matter how good you are at challenging, it probably makes very little difference. Belichick is 0 for 3 at the bottom and Reich is at the top with 2 of 6. Tomlin is 1 for 4.

Forget challenges for the moment. Dumblin's clock management and use of TO's is below the line by a mile. Like a deer in the headlights out there.

There are plenty of valid criticisms but I completely disagree with this assertion. His team was at or near the top of NFL in scoring differential in last two minutes of halves for several years running. Because you don’t like it or it doesn’t follow your mentality about how to use them doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a plan to make the pieces work together.

There are a few reasons for that and none of them is named Mike Tomlin. We'll have to agree to disagree here. I think his clock management is dogshit.

[bradshaw2ben]

As discussed before, he prioritizes not giving the other team a chance to get points over his own team scoring. That seems to work more often than not, even though it's infuriating at times.

[swissvale72]

As discussed before, he prioritizes not giving the other team a chance to get points over his own team scoring. That seems to work more often than not, even though it's infuriating at times.

Actually...as the game nears its end, seems to me that Tomlin prioritizes running a few ticks off the clock and not having a turnover, while then GIVING the other a team a chance to get points. He's not one for throwing on first or second down, getting that first down, putting the fuckin' game away. The opponent invariably ends up with the ball and a chance to move into position for a winning score.

[bradshaw2ben]

We’re in total agreement about that: need to pass more on 1st and 2nd down throughout the game, especially in 4 min drill situations. Up by two TDs late, sure, run it three times. When the clock can be run down to an nub, fine. But generally taking the air out of the ball is bad business.