Mike Tomlin article in SI

[Legacy User]

But see I don't actually put Tomlin's dick in my mouth. You do actually have melt downs over a mere game. Because you're a soft pussy. I make little waves in game threads bc I keep my compusure. You act like a 15 year old girl who got dumped. Bc you're a soft emotional dumb fuk.

So you don't like my comments in the game threads. They seem to really get to you. Man, that's rough.



Suck it up, c*nt. You're gonna have to deal with 'em if you're in there......while you're sucking Mike Tomlin's dick all over the board.

Like usual.

You're a soft emotive pussy. No composure.

[K_C_]

But see I don't actually put Tomlin's dick in my mouth. You do actually have melt downs over a mere game. Because you're a soft pussy. I make little waves in game threads bc I keep my compusure. You act like a 15 year old girl who got dumped. Bc you're a soft emotional dumb fuk.

So you don't like my comments in the game threads. They seem to really get to you. Man, that's rough.



Suck it up, c*nt. You're gonna have to deal with 'em if you're in there......while you're sucking Mike Tomlin's dick all over the board.

Like usual.

You're a soft emotive pussy. No composure.

You're a faggot Tomlin fanboy. Lots of cheerleader.

[Legacy User]

Oh no. I got called a faggott on the internets. At least I don't melt into an emotional puddle when the the Steelers don't play well. You're a soft emotive pussy.

[K_C_]

Oh no. I got called a faggott on the internets. At least I don't melt into an emotional puddle when the the Steelers don't play well. You're a soft emotive pussy.

Oh no, I have some cunt riveted and upset by my comments in a internet game thread calling me a soft, emotive pussy.



A Tomlin blowing, faggot cheerleader. What do I do???

[Legacy User]

But we both know I don't actually blow Tomlin. We both do know you have emotional melt downs over games. Bc you're a soft emotive pussy.

[K_C_]

But we both know I don't actually blow Tomlin. We both do know you have emotional melt downs over games. Bc you're a soft emotive pussy.

Au contraire, cunt.

You blow him all over the board like a faggot cheerleader.

Like the mouth breathing mook deep down you know you are.

NOBODY SENDS HIS KICKER OUT TO WIN A GAME WHEN THE OTHER TEAM MELTS DOWN BETTER THAN THE BUG-EYED FUCK!

Nobody.

[Legacy User]

Go Steelers!

[FortyThree]

My my. Such abrasiveness. Remember this exchange the next time you have a game thread melt down. You're an hysterical dumb fuk.

While you're blowing Tomlin, at least request a reach around from him, okay c*nt?

We both I know I don't actually suck Tomlin's dick. We do both know you actually do have emotional melt downs in game threads. You're a soft emotional dumb fuk.

[K_C_]

Go Steelers!

Get your pom poms ready!

[K_C_]

Are you on a break from getting the real reporters coffee?

[FortyThree]

Are you on a break from getting the real reporters coffee?

[Legacy User]

Go Steelers!

Get your pom poms ready!

Get your tissues ready. It's bound to be an emotional game for you.

[K_C_]

Go Steelers!

Get your pom poms ready!

Get your tissues ready. It's bound to be an emotional game for you.

Oh, I'll be ready for sure. See you for 4 quarters tomorrow afternoon!

Stay riveted by my every word because there's gonna be plenty of 'em!

[Legacy User]

I think the important lesson here is that once again we see proof that the Internet bring out the best in all of us.

[stinger8]

You can stop trying to race bait me you pathetic piece of shit. Look up my posts from the beginning of Tomlins hire. I said the exact same thing I do now, that I didn't think he was all that qualified, but I was willing to give him a chance. I did that, for years. That time has came and gone. He is worthless. It has NOTHING to do with his race, although I do think that was a big part of why he was hired. Its irrelevant if he came in and did a good job. What have I EVER said to anyone here about anything that would lead you to believe this has ANYTHING to do with race? I haven't. You are just another poor slob who lives his life feeling like a victim and the first thing you think about when someone doesn't like someone else is their race. You are a fool. Tomlin made his own bed. I could care less what color his skin is. Just do your fucking job.

So let me get this straight...

You don't like Tomlin because he wasn't qualified. But you gave him the benefit of the doubt. And then despite 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 win, no losing seasons, and an excellent winning percentage he is still "worthless."

But it has nothing to do with race.

So then, what criteria are you judging him on? Because he certainly has been the head of a very successful team since taking over.

Fortythree....alot of us have had issues with Tomlin. Are you saying that there's not justification for this and if we're critical, it must be due to race? His moments of game-day dumbfuckedness have been numerous and well-documented. That's generally the genesis of the criticism.

Now...hopefully, tomorrow, we'll benefit from his greatest gift, and Exceedingly Well-Developed Line of Bullshit....he'll infuse his team with an undying belief that they will win this game....and that will be exactly what will happen.

Put me squarely in the Tomlin should go camp. Guys bringing up shit from 10 years ago are living in the past. Time management aside and we all acknowledge that he is incompetent at that, how many times over the years do we bitch about who he plays, even when they are clearly not the best option, and hurt our chances to win? This year of course it has been Blake while Boykin and Cockrell, two better players rot on the sidelines Mike Vick having to get to the 3rd quarter with 7 FUCKIN passing yards before he FINALLY pulls the cord????? WTF????

Here is the one that tips the scale. The next time I see a STRATEGIC game plan that shows he looked at tape and saw a flaw and designed a game plan to attack it will be the first since we went into Indy in the playoffs as a huge underdog and came out firing when everyone expected us to run Bettis 35 times and eat clock. That is what a good HC does. I personally think he is just lazy and gets good DC's and delegates so he can get home to watch Jeopardy. I bet a guy like Belicheat works 50% more hours than Tomlin. Seriously.

If he does something laudable to day I will be the first to give him his props. I will. What I wont do is say awe shit we had injuries so its OK we had a good year. He got LUCKY, I dont see anyone contesting that to win last week, so lets win today because HE does something that makes a difference.

[FortyThree]

We have a new contender for dumbest post of the year.

[Legacy User]

I haven't felt the Steelers coaching staff earned a victory by out scheming the other team very often during Tomlin's tenure.

Not sure if that has to do with the coordinators or not.

I have felt that the Steelers coaching staff had no answer for what other teams came out doing against the Steelers many times during Tomlin's tenure, same applies to the coordinators.

Knowing full well that is not Tomlin's strength, of course that being the way the players feel about it - but how much of that players happiness comes from generally winning, which comes from having a HOF quarterback behind center? I don't know. The team has certainly won games due to the motivation or whatever you want to call it - a certain intangible that Mike Tomlin certainly brings... but in the way of x's and o's... I don't think he pushes the needle forward and may at times push it backwards in that regard. I think there are times, as probably with any coach, he goes far too long with player A when player B is clearly better - but again that's a whole coaching staff issue.

I think changing a HC is a huge setback in this league, and there is no reason to do it here... but there are things Mike Tomlin can improve in terms of how he manages gameday (time mgmt, easing in, etc), whether he admits those as problems or not is another issue.

[FortyThree]

Knowing full well that is not Tomlin's strength, of course that being the way the players feel about it - but how much of that players happiness comes from generally winning, which comes from having a HOF quarterback behind center? I don't know.

So you obviously feel that the Steelers' success under Tomlin has more to do with Ben than Tomlin, right?

So let's consider that Tomlin is 4th out of all active coaches in winning percentage (21st all-time).

The only coaches ahead of him are Belichick, McCarthy, and Pagano. All of whom have franchise QBs and all except Pagano have HOF QBs running their offense.

So, by your own logic, none of those coaches are responsible for their own success, right? Or is it just Tomlin that gets held to that ridiculous standard?

[randomsteelerfan]

Don't bother. You'll have better luck explaining this concept to the the little gnome in your neighbors yard.

Stay proudly retarded, Pony Boy.

Stay proudly retarded.

Did you get message board bitch slapped again and I missed it? Must've, since the dimwitted sarcastic responses have returned.

[FortyThree]

Don't bother. You'll have better luck explaining this concept to the the little gnome in your neighbors yard.

Stay proudly retarded, Pony Boy.

Stay proudly retarded.

Did you get message board bitch slapped again and I missed it? Must've, since the dimwitted sarcastic responses have returned.

Imagine being a grown man and thinking that, nevermind actually typing something like that and posting it online for everyone to read.

[randomsteelerfan]

I haven't felt the Steelers coaching staff earned a victory by out scheming the other team very often during Tomlin's tenure.

Not sure if that has to do with the coordinators or not.

I have felt that the Steelers coaching staff had no answer for what other teams came out doing against the Steelers many times during Tomlin's tenure, same applies to the coordinators.

Knowing full well that is not Tomlin's strength, of course that being the way the players feel about it - but how much of that players happiness comes from generally winning, which comes from having a HOF quarterback behind center? I don't know. The team has certainly won games due to the motivation or whatever you want to call it - a certain intangible that Mike Tomlin certainly brings... but in the way of x's and o's... I don't think he pushes the needle forward and may at times push it backwards in that regard. I think there are times, as probably with any coach, he goes far too long with player A when player B is clearly better - but again that's a whole coaching staff issue.

I think changing a HC is a huge setback in this league, and there is no reason to do it here... but there are things Mike Tomlin can improve in terms of how he manages gameday (time mgmt, easing in, etc), whether he admits those as problems or not is another issue.

I would feel pretty safe saying that Cowher's teams never outschemed anyone either. They'd line up and power through. Didn't stop him from being a pretty damn good coach with a modicum of success. Out-scheming opponents isn't a prerequisite to winning in today's game.

In fact, I'd venture to say that Belichick is the only current HC that out schemes his opponents regularly.

[Legacy User]

Knowing full well that is not Tomlin's strength, of course that being the way the players feel about it - but how much of that players happiness comes from generally winning, which comes from having a HOF quarterback behind center? I don't know.

So you obviously feel that the Steelers' success under Tomlin has more to do with Ben than Tomlin, right?

So let's consider that Tomlin is 4th out of all active coaches in winning percentage (21st all-time).

The only coaches ahead of him are Belichick, McCarthy, and Pagano. All of whom have franchise QBs and all except Pagano have HOF QBs running their offense.

So, by your own logic, none of those coaches are responsible for their own success, right? Or is it just Tomlin that gets held to that ridiculous standard?

What do the other coaches have to do with the specifics of my post?

I never mentioned them, I simply asked the question if the players appreciation of playing for their coach (i.e. going through a wall for him or something along those lines) has more to do with winning than it does with coaching. Would the players be saying the same thing after two 4-12 seasons? I don't know.... and if it is a product of winning as opposed to say how the players like a coach, how much of that winning is from having a HOF caliber QB under center?

Seems like quite a leap you've made there from my simple question regarding intangibles to somehow me bashing Tomlin unfairly over other coaches I never mentioned.

I'm simply exploring how much of the intangibles that Mike Tomlin brings in terms of his players comes from winning versus coaching, and how much of it would exist with an average to below average QB as opposed to a HOF.

It's a question we won't be able to answer for sure until #7 hangs it up.

[K_C_]

Don't bother. You'll have better luck explaining this concept to the the little gnome in your neighbors yard.

Stay proudly retarded, Pony Boy.

Stay proudly retarded.

Did you get message board bitch slapped again and I missed it? Must've, since the dimwitted sarcastic responses have returned.

You're on the retardation train for sure, Pony Boy.

Stay on track.

[randomsteelerfan]

Imagine being a grown man and thinking that, nevermind actually typing something like that and posting it online for everyone to read.

What's sad is I saw recently that KC is actually in his 50's. I swear I thought he was either a teenager or some immature college kid.

[stinger8]

We have a new contender for dumbest post of the year.

We have a WINNER for dumbest poster of the year. See how useless that type of response is?? Get it?? Cretin

[jeemie]

I haven't felt the Steelers coaching staff earned a victory by out scheming the other team very often during Tomlin's tenure.

Not sure if that has to do with the coordinators or not.

I have felt that the Steelers coaching staff had no answer for what other teams came out doing against the Steelers many times during Tomlin's tenure, same applies to the coordinators.

Knowing full well that is not Tomlin's strength, of course that being the way the players feel about it - but how much of that players happiness comes from generally winning, which comes from having a HOF quarterback behind center? I don't know. The team has certainly won games due to the motivation or whatever you want to call it - a certain intangible that Mike Tomlin certainly brings... but in the way of x's and o's... I don't think he pushes the needle forward and may at times push it backwards in that regard. I think there are times, as probably with any coach, he goes far too long with player A when player B is clearly better - but again that's a whole coaching staff issue.

I think changing a HC is a huge setback in this league, and there is no reason to do it here... but there are things Mike Tomlin can improve in terms of how he manages gameday (time mgmt, easing in, etc), whether he admits those as problems or not is another issue.

I would feel pretty safe saying that Cowher's teams never outschemed anyone either. They'd line up and power through. Didn't stop him from being a pretty damn good coach with a modicum of success. Out-scheming opponents isn't a prerequisite to winning in today's game.

In fact, I'd venture to say that Belichick is the only current HC that out schemes his opponents regularly.

And even the Pats don't out scheme an opponent that often.

Usually they just have superior execution of the same basic plays, over and over. Run and pass mix depends on what the opposing defense is good at.

And on defense, they try and take away what you do best.

And that's pretty much it.

Where do they have trouble?

With a team that can get pressure with four and drop seven into coverage.

Just like every other team.

They just do it with supreme confidence they're going to succeed.

[randomsteelerfan]

I haven't felt the Steelers coaching staff earned a victory by out scheming the other team very often during Tomlin's tenure.

Not sure if that has to do with the coordinators or not.

I have felt that the Steelers coaching staff had no answer for what other teams came out doing against the Steelers many times during Tomlin's tenure, same applies to the coordinators.

Knowing full well that is not Tomlin's strength, of course that being the way the players feel about it - but how much of that players happiness comes from generally winning, which comes from having a HOF quarterback behind center? I don't know. The team has certainly won games due to the motivation or whatever you want to call it - a certain intangible that Mike Tomlin certainly brings... but in the way of x's and o's... I don't think he pushes the needle forward and may at times push it backwards in that regard. I think there are times, as probably with any coach, he goes far too long with player A when player B is clearly better - but again that's a whole coaching staff issue.

I think changing a HC is a huge setback in this league, and there is no reason to do it here... but there are things Mike Tomlin can improve in terms of how he manages gameday (time mgmt, easing in, etc), whether he admits those as problems or not is another issue.

I would feel pretty safe saying that Cowher's teams never outschemed anyone either. They'd line up and power through. Didn't stop him from being a pretty damn good coach with a modicum of success. Out-scheming opponents isn't a prerequisite to winning in today's game.

In fact, I'd venture to say that Belichick is the only current HC that out schemes his opponents regularly.

And even the Pats don't out scheme an opponent that often.

Usually they just have superior execution of the same basic plays, over and over. Run and pass mix depends on what the opposing defense is good at.

And on defense, they try and take away what you do best.

And that's pretty much it.

Where do they have trouble?

With a team that can get pressure with four and drop seven into coverage.

Just like every other team.

They just do it with supreme confidence they're going to succeed.

Well, said. I think this is actually what most misinterpret as out scheming or some superior coaching intellect.

[Legacy User]

I don't think firing Tomlin is a good idea all things considered.

Are there areas I'd like him to improve on? Sure.

But I think when you start looking around the league at replacements, you realize just how barren the league is of good competent coaches.

Tomlin will have good numbers with #7 on the field... he's going to be tested as a head coach when #7 hangs them up just as any coach would when you replace a HOF QB.

[Legacy User]

One thing the Patriots do that I think the Steelers are plenty of other teams fail to accomplish.

The Patriots attack weaknesses, and they do it from play 1 throughout the game until you stop it. I believe there was a two week run either earlier this year or last year. One game they threw like 80% of the plays, the next week they ran the ball like 70% of the plays, and both weeks they dominated on the scoreboard.

I think if they see something they can exploit - they do it and continue to do it. Other NFL coaches seem uncomfortable doing this - as if they are giving up some identity or something if they don't "Do what we do" or some other similar idea.

And yes, identifying holes and exploiting them is in essence "out scheming". Getting match ups and exploiting them. Again - we are getting into offensive coordinator area here, and I'm not sure how much Tomlin is to blame for that really, I think this thread could go on forever talking about Haley and even Arians when he was here and some of the things we'd see him do.

I think decisions that I would normally put on the head coach, i.e. when to go for it on 4th down, when to kick, when to fake (and how), etc have hurt this team more than helped it. But those are easy things to fix, and hell maybe Tomlin learned some valuable lessons this year on how games in this new NFL play out in that regard.

[FortyThree]

Knowing full well that is not Tomlin's strength, of course that being the way the players feel about it - but how much of that players happiness comes from generally winning, which comes from having a HOF quarterback behind center? I don't know.

So you obviously feel that the Steelers' success under Tomlin has more to do with Ben than Tomlin, right?

So let's consider that Tomlin is 4th out of all active coaches in winning percentage (21st all-time).

The only coaches ahead of him are Belichick, McCarthy, and Pagano. All of whom have franchise QBs and all except Pagano have HOF QBs running their offense.

So, by your own logic, none of those coaches are responsible for their own success, right? Or is it just Tomlin that gets held to that ridiculous standard?

What do the other coaches have to do with the specifics of my post?

I never mentioned them, I simply asked the question if the players appreciation of playing for their coach (i.e. going through a wall for him or something along those lines) has more to do with winning than it does with coaching. Would the players be saying the same thing after two 4-12 seasons? I don't know.... and if it is a product of winning as opposed to say how the players like a coach, how much of that winning is from having a HOF caliber QB under center?

Seems like quite a leap you've made there from my simple question regarding intangibles to somehow me bashing Tomlin unfairly over other coaches I never mentioned.

I'm simply exploring how much of the intangibles that Mike Tomlin brings in terms of his players comes from winning versus coaching, and how much of it would exist with an average to below average QB as opposed to a HOF.

It's a question we won't be able to answer for sure until #7 hangs it up.

If you're going to argue for Tomlin to be fired then obviously you think there are better options out there. So, when trying to decide if there are better options we need to compare him to what else is out there.

If Tomlin gets no credit because he has a HOF QB then Belichick and McCarthy don't get any credit for their success either, right?

And if that's the case then who the coach is doesn't matter one bit so why bother complaining?