What will the NFL season actually look like.
Re: What will the NFL season actually look like.
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The re-opening of my state seems to be going fine so far.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-covid-19
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-covid-19
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Hilarious follow-up to that article, featuring exact same photo but with opposite information:Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pmThe re-opening of my state seems to be going fine so far.
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Yes but when you get to the actual data, the states like SC, GA and FL that have begun to open are not seeing a spike.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:54 pmHilarious follow-up to that article, featuring exact same photo but with opposite information:Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:21 pmThe re-opening of my state seems to be going fine so far.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-covid-19
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Sometimes I wonder if the data is taken the same way across the 50 states. Comparing apples to apples. Regardless though, I think it is reasonable to expect increased numbers as the states open up. As long as it does not overwhelm the medical profession. I am still very hopeful the season will take place. The status quo of staying in lock down is a no go.
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In the playoffs. Check
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In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
Here We Go Steelers
Interesting article here : https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-ri ... avoid-them
You cannot trust your fellow human to be responsible. That much has been proven. I see it whenever I go to the market and people have the mask below their nose. Signs in front of stores say only three allowed inside, yet I see five. Then you get attacked for asking someone to wear a mask and keep your distance.
So you have two choices, shrug your shoulders and accept the irresponsibility of others, along with the consequences, or do something about it to mitigate the impact. Also, there are varying degrees of lockdown. It's not a binary choice. And that doesn't mean a lockdown only for the elderly or those with comorbidity.
But the gist of this piece is contracting the virus is dependent on two factors. Time of exposure and proximity to a quantity of infected individuals. Sitting in a restaurant, attending religious services, a hockey game, or going to a bar for a few hours places you at a much higher risk. And you can spread it without even knowing.Symptomatic people are not the only way the virus is shed. We know that at least 44% of all infections--and the majority of community-acquired transmissions--occur from people without any symptoms (asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people). You can be shedding the virus into the environment for up to 5 days before symptoms begin.
You cannot trust your fellow human to be responsible. That much has been proven. I see it whenever I go to the market and people have the mask below their nose. Signs in front of stores say only three allowed inside, yet I see five. Then you get attacked for asking someone to wear a mask and keep your distance.
So you have two choices, shrug your shoulders and accept the irresponsibility of others, along with the consequences, or do something about it to mitigate the impact. Also, there are varying degrees of lockdown. It's not a binary choice. And that doesn't mean a lockdown only for the elderly or those with comorbidity.
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If you are going to those places then I am going to make the grand assumption that you accept the risks. You can mitigate those risks by being responsible by practicing the CDC guidelines. No one is being forced to go to those places. You have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 4:57 pmInteresting article here : https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-ri ... avoid-them
But the gist of this piece is contracting the virus is dependent on two factors. Time of exposure and proximity to a quantity of infected individuals. Sitting in a restaurant, attending religious services, a hockey game, or going to a bar for a few hours places you at a much higher risk. And you can spread it without even knowing.Symptomatic people are not the only way the virus is shed. We know that at least 44% of all infections--and the majority of community-acquired transmissions--occur from people without any symptoms (asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people). You can be shedding the virus into the environment for up to 5 days before symptoms begin.
You cannot trust your fellow human to be responsible. That much has been proven. I see it whenever I go to the market and people have the mask below their nose. Signs in front of stores say only three allowed inside, yet I see five. Then you get attacked for asking someone to wear a mask and keep your distance.
So you have two choices, shrug your shoulders and accept the irresponsibility of others, along with the consequences, or do something about it to mitigate the the impact. Also, there are varying degrees of lockdown. It's not a binary choice. And that doesn't mean a lockdown only for the elderly or those with comorbidity.
NHALS secured. Check.
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
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In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
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My Mom is a lifelong Republican, native Texan, voted for Trump. Lives in a coastal city. As soon as Abbott opened the beaches back up and her town got flooded with morons refusing to social distance, she called me to complain about what a dumb fuck Abbott is.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:15 pmYou have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.
So, great to be treated like an adult. If only everyone would act like one.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
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Well those morons accepted the risk. That is their right to do so. As for your mom, I hope she is well and exercised her right not to go to the beach. Btw, it is not up to Abbott or any other politician to save "morons" from themselves. At some point one must let go of the idea that one man can control another man's life.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:31 pmMy Mom is a lifelong Republican, native Texan, voted for Trump. Lives in a coastal city. As soon as Abbott opened the beaches back up and her town got flooded with morons refusing to social distance, she called me to complain about what a dumb fuck Abbott is.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:15 pmYou have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.
So, great to be treated like an adult. If only everyone would act like one.
NHALS secured. Check.
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
Here We Go Steelers
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
Here We Go Steelers
I think the point people are missing is that you might accept the risk while waving the constitution, but since this is easily transmissible, that risk is being transferred - without consent or choice - to others while you are asymptomatic. You go home, infect your partner, and said partner goes to visit their relatives in an assisted living facility with no symptoms or a temp. You make the choice to expose yourself, but those that you infect have no choice. Even if they stay at home and encounter you in a super market, or waiting at the DMV for two hours. Or sneeze next to the person next to you with a made at home cotton mask or a counterfeit (K)N 95 mask manufactured in china that doesn't satisfy medical requirements. It's really simple. Collectivism is what made civilization thrive, not individualism. Adhering to originalism (RE: constitution and "freedoms) is stupid and counter productive to humanity.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:15 pmIf you are going to those places then I am going to make the grand assumption that you accept the risks. You can mitigate those risks by being responsible by practicing the CDC guidelines. No one is being forced to go to those places. You have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 4:57 pmInteresting article here : https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-ri ... avoid-them
But the gist of this piece is contracting the virus is dependent on two factors. Time of exposure and proximity to a quantity of infected individuals. Sitting in a restaurant, attending religious services, a hockey game, or going to a bar for a few hours places you at a much higher risk. And you can spread it without even knowing.Symptomatic people are not the only way the virus is shed. We know that at least 44% of all infections--and the majority of community-acquired transmissions--occur from people without any symptoms (asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people). You can be shedding the virus into the environment for up to 5 days before symptoms begin.
You cannot trust your fellow human to be responsible. That much has been proven. I see it whenever I go to the market and people have the mask below their nose. Signs in front of stores say only three allowed inside, yet I see five. Then you get attacked for asking someone to wear a mask and keep your distance.
So you have two choices, shrug your shoulders and accept the irresponsibility of others, along with the consequences, or do something about it to mitigate the the impact. Also, there are varying degrees of lockdown. It's not a binary choice. And that doesn't mean a lockdown only for the elderly or those with comorbidity.
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Oh, please. We have plenty of restrictions on what we can do. All kinds of restrictions. Restrictions that are constitutional. We do not have total freedom as it is and for good reason. Save your libertarian gibberish for someone else.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:57 pmWell those morons accepted the risk. That is their right to do so. As for your mom, I hope she is well and exercised her right not to go to the beach. Btw, it is not up to Abbott or any other politician to save "morons" from themselves. At some point one must let go of the idea that one man can control another man's life.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:31 pmMy Mom is a lifelong Republican, native Texan, voted for Trump. Lives in a coastal city. As soon as Abbott opened the beaches back up and her town got flooded with morons refusing to social distance, she called me to complain about what a dumb fuck Abbott is.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:15 pmYou have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.
So, great to be treated like an adult. If only everyone would act like one.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
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I truly understand the fact that it is highly transmissible. I understand that "Sitting in a restaurant, attending religious services, a hockey game, or going to a bar for a few hours places you at a much higher risk." Those are all choices and risks taken by all those involved.
I further understand that going to some places like the "DMV" or "supermarket" etc. are necessary activities and it places everyone at risk. But from my observations those risks have been mitigated by implementing the CDC guidelines and other actions. As for the counterfeit N95 masks, that is unfortunate and should be investigated for criminal activity.
Bottom line is you can't legislate a 100% safe place to live while on earth. I will take living in the freest state in the freest country on earth over the alternative.
I further understand that going to some places like the "DMV" or "supermarket" etc. are necessary activities and it places everyone at risk. But from my observations those risks have been mitigated by implementing the CDC guidelines and other actions. As for the counterfeit N95 masks, that is unfortunate and should be investigated for criminal activity.
Bottom line is you can't legislate a 100% safe place to live while on earth. I will take living in the freest state in the freest country on earth over the alternative.
NHALS secured. Check.
In the playoffs. Check
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We may not have total freedom but the freedom we do have I am not willing to give up. Bring on the NFL season.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:31 pmOh, please. We have plenty of restrictions on what we can do. All kinds of restrictions. Restrictions that are constitutional. We do not have total freedom as it is and for good reason. Save your libertarian gibberish for someone else.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:57 pmWell those morons accepted the risk. That is their right to do so. As for your mom, I hope she is well and exercised her right not to go to the beach. Btw, it is not up to Abbott or any other politician to save "morons" from themselves. At some point one must let go of the idea that one man can control another man's life.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:31 pm
My Mom is a lifelong Republican, native Texan, voted for Trump. Lives in a coastal city. As soon as Abbott opened the beaches back up and her town got flooded with morons refusing to social distance, she called me to complain about what a dumb fuck Abbott is.
So, great to be treated like an adult. If only everyone would act like one.
NHALS secured. Check.
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
Here We Go Steelers
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
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https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases ... ce=twitter
This is some good news at least. Maybe they will have some people in the stands after all.
This is some good news at least. Maybe they will have some people in the stands after all.
The first stages of reopening haven’t produced a surge in coronavirus cases in most states — at least, not yet.
Yes, but: The reopening process is still in its early stages, so a second wave of infections still remains distinctly possible.
Between the lines: Our chart compares each state's seven-day average of new cases from Monday, and the seven-day average from a week prior, May 4.
Comparing the averages of two weeks helps smooth out a lot of the noise in how states sometimes inconsistently conduct and report tests.
The latest average captures the first full week in which some states began to ease some of their lockdown measures.
Some of the states that skeptics were most worried about, including Florida and Georgia, haven’t seen the rise in total cases that some experts feared.
Florida’s new cases have actually declined by 14% compared to the previous week, and Georgia’s fell by 12%.
Nevada leads the pack with a 44% reduction, while several hard-hit states that embraced aggressive lockdowns to help contain early outbreaks — Michigan, New York and New Jersey — all saw reductions of at least 30%.
The other side: Cases are still increasing in other parts of the country. The most worrisome is South Dakota, which saw a startling 123% increase, likely the result of outbreaks in the meat processing industry.
Total cases are an imperfect measure, in isolation, of an outbreak’s severity, because that count is limited by the amount of testing in each state, as well as differences in reporting.
But they're still an important part of the puzzle. Federal guidelines call for a steady decline in new cases for any reopening process to proceed.
The bottom line: None of this means any state is in the clear — as more businesses open and more people venture back out into the world, the risk of a second wave grows. But it’s an encouraging early sign.
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Encouraging news is always welcome in the midst of all the bad news. I am selfishly crossing my fingers for fans in the stands because I want to be there. I plan to attend the Dallas away game and the Baltimore home game.stillthere wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:50 pmhttps://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases ... ce=twitter
This is some good news at least. Maybe they will have some people in the stands after all.
The first stages of reopening haven’t produced a surge in coronavirus cases in most states — at least, not yet.
Yes, but: The reopening process is still in its early stages, so a second wave of infections still remains distinctly possible.
Between the lines: Our chart compares each state's seven-day average of new cases from Monday, and the seven-day average from a week prior, May 4.
Comparing the averages of two weeks helps smooth out a lot of the noise in how states sometimes inconsistently conduct and report tests.
The latest average captures the first full week in which some states began to ease some of their lockdown measures.
Some of the states that skeptics were most worried about, including Florida and Georgia, haven’t seen the rise in total cases that some experts feared.
Florida’s new cases have actually declined by 14% compared to the previous week, and Georgia’s fell by 12%.
Nevada leads the pack with a 44% reduction, while several hard-hit states that embraced aggressive lockdowns to help contain early outbreaks — Michigan, New York and New Jersey — all saw reductions of at least 30%.
The other side: Cases are still increasing in other parts of the country. The most worrisome is South Dakota, which saw a startling 123% increase, likely the result of outbreaks in the meat processing industry.
Total cases are an imperfect measure, in isolation, of an outbreak’s severity, because that count is limited by the amount of testing in each state, as well as differences in reporting.
But they're still an important part of the puzzle. Federal guidelines call for a steady decline in new cases for any reopening process to proceed.
The bottom line: None of this means any state is in the clear — as more businesses open and more people venture back out into the world, the risk of a second wave grows. But it’s an encouraging early sign.
NHALS secured. Check.
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
Here We Go Steelers
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
Here We Go Steelers
Do you obey traffic laws? I mean, seriously, what right does the government have to infringe upon my rights to drive 80 down a city street? How dare they trample my constitutional rights by making me stop for stop signs? I should be able to drive any way I want to on a so-called one way street.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:15 pmIf you are going to those places then I am going to make the grand assumption that you accept the risks. You can mitigate those risks by being responsible by practicing the CDC guidelines. No one is being forced to go to those places. You have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 4:57 pmInteresting article here : https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-ri ... avoid-them
But the gist of this piece is contracting the virus is dependent on two factors. Time of exposure and proximity to a quantity of infected individuals. Sitting in a restaurant, attending religious services, a hockey game, or going to a bar for a few hours places you at a much higher risk. And you can spread it without even knowing.Symptomatic people are not the only way the virus is shed. We know that at least 44% of all infections--and the majority of community-acquired transmissions--occur from people without any symptoms (asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people). You can be shedding the virus into the environment for up to 5 days before symptoms begin.
You cannot trust your fellow human to be responsible. That much has been proven. I see it whenever I go to the market and people have the mask below their nose. Signs in front of stores say only three allowed inside, yet I see five. Then you get attacked for asking someone to wear a mask and keep your distance.
So you have two choices, shrug your shoulders and accept the irresponsibility of others, along with the consequences, or do something about it to mitigate the the impact. Also, there are varying degrees of lockdown. It's not a binary choice. And that doesn't mean a lockdown only for the elderly or those with comorbidity.
Orrrrrr, the government does have the right to curtain rights in the interests of public safety.
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As has been stated, if only the people exhibiting irresponsible behavior would be the ones to suffer the consequences, they could do whatever they wanted as far as I'm concerned. But the fact is that people can act irresponsibly and then infect those who are acting responsibly.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:57 pmWell those morons accepted the risk. That is their right to do so. As for your mom, I hope she is well and exercised her right not to go to the beach. Btw, it is not up to Abbott or any other politician to save "morons" from themselves. At some point one must let go of the idea that one man can control another man's life.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:31 pmMy Mom is a lifelong Republican, native Texan, voted for Trump. Lives in a coastal city. As soon as Abbott opened the beaches back up and her town got flooded with morons refusing to social distance, she called me to complain about what a dumb fuck Abbott is.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:15 pmYou have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.
So, great to be treated like an adult. If only everyone would act like one.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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Wait 2 to 3 weeks after a State's "opening" to judge if there is a spike in cases. Much like the Michigan "freedom" protesters who ended up spreading the virus to rural communities after their protest, it takes about 2-3 weeks to show. Again, it is all about protecting the medical system from being overwhelmed. There are going to be some spikes.
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Exactamundo COR-TEN. Unfortunately many in this country can’t piece those steps together. They are so short sighted that their vision rarely goes past the tip of their nose. They bury the lede with arguments of “rights” and “freedoms” and “liberties”, but they don’t understand that being asymptomatic, sneezing on someone and ultimately killing them is actually a very real possibility with this damn thing. Then what about the decedent’s rights, freedoms and liberties?CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:13 pmI think the point people are missing is that you might accept the risk while waving the constitution, but since this is easily transmissible, that risk is being transferred - without consent or choice - to others while you are asymptomatic. You go home, infect your partner, and said partner goes to visit their relatives in an assisted living facility with no symptoms or a temp. You make the choice to expose yourself, but those that you infect have no choice. Even if they stay at home and encounter you in a super market, or waiting at the DMV for two hours. Or sneeze next to the person next to you with a made at home cotton mask or a counterfeit (K)N 95 mask manufactured in china that doesn't satisfy medical requirements. It's really simple. Collectivism is what made civilization thrive, not individualism. Adhering to originalism (RE: constitution and "freedoms) is stupid and counter productive to humanity.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:15 pmIf you are going to those places then I am going to make the grand assumption that you accept the risks. You can mitigate those risks by being responsible by practicing the CDC guidelines. No one is being forced to go to those places. You have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 4:57 pmInteresting article here : https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-ri ... avoid-them
But the gist of this piece is contracting the virus is dependent on two factors. Time of exposure and proximity to a quantity of infected individuals. Sitting in a restaurant, attending religious services, a hockey game, or going to a bar for a few hours places you at a much higher risk. And you can spread it without even knowing.
You cannot trust your fellow human to be responsible. That much has been proven. I see it whenever I go to the market and people have the mask below their nose. Signs in front of stores say only three allowed inside, yet I see five. Then you get attacked for asking someone to wear a mask and keep your distance.
So you have two choices, shrug your shoulders and accept the irresponsibility of others, along with the consequences, or do something about it to mitigate the the impact. Also, there are varying degrees of lockdown. It's not a binary choice. And that doesn't mean a lockdown only for the elderly or those with comorbidity.
Unfortunately many in this country aren’t built for this shit. It’s a test of patience and will, I understand that, but so many are just too fucking selfish.
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The point is, the shelter in place orders are not "taking away" any unconditional rights. There are a large group of dumbfucks who think not getting do what they want is the same as having a right violated.El Kabong wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:02 amDo you obey traffic laws? I mean, seriously, what right does the government have to infringe upon my rights to drive 80 down a city street? How dare they trample my constitutional rights by making me stop for stop signs? I should be able to drive any way I want to on a so-called one way street.
Orrrrrr, the government does have the right to curtain rights in the interests of public safety.
https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-your-rig ... 9-pandemic
The Texas Disaster Act of 1975 gives the State of Texas and local governments authority to respond to emergencies, including pandemics. Once the governor and local governments declare a state of emergency, they may create emergency management plans that control the movement of people when it is “necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation.”
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
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I think a couple of scenarios or issues are getting mixed up in the debate. If a person is doing all that you claim they are doing without any regard for others, then yes that is irresponsible. However, if a person(s) are engaging in mutually accepted risks (going to the beach, a restaurant, a bar etc.) then that is on them. No one is being forced to be at those places. Especially if they are single, live alone and otherwise practice the CDC guidelines. I have yet to see people acting in such a way to maliciously get others infected. (except those prisoners trying to get out early...Orangesteel wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 2:21 pmExactamundo COR-TEN. Unfortunately many in this country can’t piece those steps together. They are so short sighted that their vision rarely goes past the tip of their nose. They bury the lede with arguments of “rights” and “freedoms” and “liberties”, but they don’t understand that being asymptomatic, sneezing on someone and ultimately killing them is actually a very real possibility with this damn thing. Then what about the decedent’s rights, freedoms and liberties?CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:13 pmI think the point people are missing is that you might accept the risk while waving the constitution, but since this is easily transmissible, that risk is being transferred - without consent or choice - to others while you are asymptomatic. You go home, infect your partner, and said partner goes to visit their relatives in an assisted living facility with no symptoms or a temp. You make the choice to expose yourself, but those that you infect have no choice. Even if they stay at home and encounter you in a super market, or waiting at the DMV for two hours. Or sneeze next to the person next to you with a made at home cotton mask or a counterfeit (K)N 95 mask manufactured in china that doesn't satisfy medical requirements. It's really simple. Collectivism is what made civilization thrive, not individualism. Adhering to originalism (RE: constitution and "freedoms) is stupid and counter productive to humanity.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:15 pm
If you are going to those places then I am going to make the grand assumption that you accept the risks. You can mitigate those risks by being responsible by practicing the CDC guidelines. No one is being forced to go to those places. You have the choice if you live in a state that treats you like an adult. Unfortunately some states continue to trample on constitutional rights.
Unfortunately many in this country aren’t built for this shit. It’s a test of patience and will, I understand that, but so many are just too fucking selfish.
NHALS secured. Check.
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
Here We Go Steelers
In the playoffs. Check
AFCN Champions. Check
Beat the Texans. In progress
Here We Go Steelers
Fair enough.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 4:45 pmThe point is, the shelter in place orders are not "taking away" any unconditional rights. There are a large group of dumbfucks who think not getting do what they want is the same as having a right violated.El Kabong wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:02 amDo you obey traffic laws? I mean, seriously, what right does the government have to infringe upon my rights to drive 80 down a city street? How dare they trample my constitutional rights by making me stop for stop signs? I should be able to drive any way I want to on a so-called one way street.
Orrrrrr, the government does have the right to curtain rights in the interests of public safety.
https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-your-rig ... 9-pandemic
The Texas Disaster Act of 1975 gives the State of Texas and local governments authority to respond to emergencies, including pandemics. Once the governor and local governments declare a state of emergency, they may create emergency management plans that control the movement of people when it is “necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation.”
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But again, you can't swear that ONLY those people would be the ones suffering the consequences of their actions.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 4:52 pmHowever, if a person(s) are engaging in mutually accepted risks (going to the beach, a restaurant, a bar etc.) then that is on them. No one is being forced to be at those places.
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Well I suppose if they are unlucky to pick it up from someone even when practicing social distancing and wearing a mask and then they go home to grandma or any other person at home then yes they are being irresponsible.El Kabong wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:09 amBut again, you can't swear that ONLY those people would be the ones suffering the consequences of their actions.Texas Black & Gold wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 4:52 pmHowever, if a person(s) are engaging in mutually accepted risks (going to the beach, a restaurant, a bar etc.) then that is on them. No one is being forced to be at those places.
But if a single person living alone is unlucky to pick it up and practices social distancing and wears the mask while grocery shopping would that be responsible? Even after 14 days of no symptoms?
My whole point is, the entire country can not sustain a lock down until a vaccine or cure becomes available. Citizens as much as possible (not politicians) need to make those decisions. Of course there are laws regulating behavior before during and after this pandemic. I just believe some have gone way to far.
We were initially told to stay home to flatten the curve and not overload the medical field. Well most if not all the curves have been flattened. Now some are still being told to stay at home until the end of summer. The authorities need to stop lying to us.
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Owning your own business and being forced to shelter in place isn't taking away any rights? Or are you talking about other dumbfucks?Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 4:45 pmThe point is, the shelter in place orders are not "taking away" any unconditional rights. There are a large group of dumbfucks who think not getting do what they want is the same as having a right violated.El Kabong wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:02 amDo you obey traffic laws? I mean, seriously, what right does the government have to infringe upon my rights to drive 80 down a city street? How dare they trample my constitutional rights by making me stop for stop signs? I should be able to drive any way I want to on a so-called one way street.
Orrrrrr, the government does have the right to curtain rights in the interests of public safety.
https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-your-rig ... 9-pandemic
The Texas Disaster Act of 1975 gives the State of Texas and local governments authority to respond to emergencies, including pandemics. Once the governor and local governments declare a state of emergency, they may create emergency management plans that control the movement of people when it is “necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation.”
Plus, if for example you're allergic to nuts, then YOU need to own your management of that risk. There are reasonable accommodations people can make to help, but it's never been suggested that we ban nuts.Thrillsseeker wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:04 amOwning your own business and being forced to shelter in place isn't taking away any rights? Or are you talking about other dumbfucks?
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Potentially, perhaps yes. But given it's a global outbreak and there's nothing like that anywhere else....bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 9:25 pmThe stuff with kids is going to be a game-changer if it continues to rise in occurrence.
If it's a real issue, agreed NYC would probably be the first to identify it. And as a global epicenter, that sort of mutation wouldn't be necessarily surprising. But with respect to data...
The smart money is this is fear mongering. There's a very small chance I am wrong. But let's let data and not politics inform our opinions.
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Well, it has been seen in other places. It was actually first reported in the UK.Kodiak wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 8:53 amPotentially, perhaps yes. But given it's a global outbreak and there's nothing like that anywhere else...bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 9:25 pmThe stuff with kids is going to be a game-changer if it continues to rise in occurrence.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52439005
Cases have been observed in other European countries too.
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Shelter in place laws, so far as I understand them, are not in principle unconstitutional. There is a lot of SCOTUS precedent. I do not know where you think your rights derive their legitimacy and protection from, but I think mine derive from the Constitution and what is in accordance with the constitution.Thrillsseeker wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:04 amOwning your own business and being forced to shelter in place isn't taking away any rights? Or are you talking about other dumbfucks?Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 4:45 pmThe point is, the shelter in place orders are not "taking away" any unconditional rights. There are a large group of dumbfucks who think not getting do what they want is the same as having a right violated.El Kabong wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:02 amDo you obey traffic laws? I mean, seriously, what right does the government have to infringe upon my rights to drive 80 down a city street? How dare they trample my constitutional rights by making me stop for stop signs? I should be able to drive any way I want to on a so-called one way street.
Orrrrrr, the government does have the right to curtain rights in the interests of public safety.
https://www.aclutx.org/en/know-your-rig ... 9-pandemic
The Texas Disaster Act of 1975 gives the State of Texas and local governments authority to respond to emergencies, including pandemics. Once the governor and local governments declare a state of emergency, they may create emergency management plans that control the movement of people when it is “necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation.”
So you tell me, am I talking about those who think being forced to shelter in place isn't taking away any rights or some other dumbfucks?
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