Jervis and his one pass rush move.

[lifelongsteel]

For the purposes of talking about football and Jarvis' value to the team it's helpful to separate the player and the position in which he was drafted.

Jones is an above average 3-4 ROLB. He's already a good edge setter against the run. He's already adequate in coverage. He's working on developing his rush game. He's gonna be here for a long time.

If you want to discuss whether he was a good pick at 17, that belongs in a thread specific to Colbert and his value to the team.

So he's good at setting the edge, is adequate in coverage and he's trying to improve as a pass rusher.

This somehow guarantees he's going to be in Pittsburgh a long time?

Does production on the field mean anything or is he guaranteed a starting job due to his draft position?

there is more to production than sacks. contrary to popular opinion, setting the edge, not rushing the passer, is job one of a steeler OLB.

[K_C_]

For the purposes of talking about football and Jarvis' value to the team it's helpful to separate the player and the position in which he was drafted.

Jones is an above average 3-4 ROLB. He's already a good edge setter against the run. He's already adequate in coverage. He's working on developing his rush game. He's gonna be here for a long time.

If you want to discuss whether he was a good pick at 17, that belongs in a thread specific to Colbert and his value to the team.

So he's good at setting the edge, is adequate in coverage and he's trying to improve as a pass rusher.

This somehow guarantees he's going to be in Pittsburgh a long time?

Does production on the field mean anything or is he guaranteed a starting job due to his draft position?

there is more to production than sacks. contrary to popular opinion, setting the edge, not rushing the passer, is job one of a steeler OLB.

Way to dodge everything I put in the above post.

No fucking shit setting the edge is important. When asked to be in coverage, doing an adequate job is important too.

But Steeler OLB's biggest responsibility is pressuring the QB, sacking the QB and creating turnovers.

End of story.

[lifelongsteel]

So he's good at setting the edge, is adequate in coverage and he's trying to improve as a pass rusher.

This somehow guarantees he's going to be in Pittsburgh a long time?

Does production on the field mean anything or is he guaranteed a starting job due to his draft position?

there is more to production than sacks. contrary to popular opinion, setting the edge, not rushing the passer, is job one of a steeler OLB.

Way to dodge everything I put in the above post.

No fucking shit setting the edge is important. When asked to be in coverage, doing an adequate job is important too.

But Steeler OLB's biggest responsibility is pressuring the QB, sacking the QB and creating turnovers.

End of story.

I directly addressed what you put in your post.

[K_C_]

I directly addressed what you put in your post.

You addressed why Jervis is going to be around a long time?

I must have missed that.

Why is he going to be around a long time?

[955876]

I guarantee pressuring the QB is a bigger priority than setting the edge.

Especially when you take a guy at 17.

Especially in this uber passing league.

[lifelongsteel]

I directly addressed what you put in your post.

You addressed why Jervis is going to be around a long time?

I must have missed that.

Why is he going to be around a long time?

i've made it clear throughout this thread that I believe he can set the edge, he's adequate in coverage, and he's a developing pass rusher. I've also made it clear that I believe that the steelers put setting the edge as the top priority for their OLB's.

The conclusion that they would keep him a long time seemed to be self evident.

[Legacy User]

Whatever, they're going to cut him.

Who's happy?

/thread

[lifelongsteel]

I guarantee pressuring the QB is a bigger priority than setting the edge.

Especially when you take a guy at 17.

Especially in this uber passing league.

You believe this to be true. Doesn't mean LeBeau believes it to be true. Premise #1 of LeBeau's D is stop the run. If an OLB can't set the edge he doesn't see the field. Period.

And again, where a guy was drafted has zero impact on his value. It. Just. Doesn't matter.

[Legacy User]

You believe this to be true. Doesn't mean LeBeau believes it to be true. Premise #1 of LeBeau's D is stop the run. If an OLB can't set the edge he doesn't see the field. Period.

And again, where a guy was drafted has zero impact on his value. It. Just. Doesn't matter.

Being on my 2nd tour of duty here, I've realized that there are certain things that aren't worth your breath. I swear all ten people you're talking are really the same person with different usernames.

[K_C_]

Yeah.

They drafted Jervis 17th overall because he was really good at setting the edge.



Uh huh.

You seriously cannot make shit like this up, but thanks!!!

[Legacy User]

Yeah.

They drafted Jervis 17th overall because he was really good at setting the edge.



Uh huh.

You seriously cannot make shit like this up, but thanks!!!

they drafted him at 17 because he was the most dynamic defensive player in college football

[955876]

Who even said that??

Way to REALLY exaggerate.

To you, has he looked fast, explosive, or strong?

Yes or no??

I dont wanna hear about college production or how he made some plays in the run game.

And why can you so easily trash a try hard UDFA with abandon yet not have a word of criticism or concern over a guy drafted 17 overall who has appeared overmatched physically?

It's odd.

[Legacy User]

Before the injury, I thought he looked all those things. Big, strong, fast, and explosive

I can't expect a guy with that much time off to get his legs back overnight. He's basically starting the conditioning of training camp all over again without the benefit of padded practices.

Sorry I can't exaggerate as much as everyone else, I'm working on it

[Legacy User]

Mingo or Jones? I take Jones.

By the way, look at last years draft class and decide where Bell should go.

[K_C_]

Yeah.

They drafted Jervis 17th overall because he was really good at setting the edge.



Uh huh.

You seriously cannot make shit like this up, but thanks!!!

they drafted him at 17 because he was the most dynamic defensive player in college football

Dynamic at setting the edge, right?

[lifelongsteel]

Mingo or Jones? I take Jones.

By the way, look at last years draft class and decide where Bell should go.

Right.

We got our 1st round talent in the 2nd round. We got our 2nd round talent in the first round. Whoop-de-frickin'-do. If it makes some of you guys sleep better at night, just pretend that it actually went down that way.

[Legacy User]

Dynamic at setting the edge, right?

Is your goal to change everyone's mind here?

If not, let it go

You aren't providing any context whatsoever, your only mincing the words of everyone else that responds to your ridiculous statements

[K_C_]

Dynamic at setting the edge, right?

Is your goal to change everyone's mind here?

If not, let it go

You aren't providing any context whatsoever, your only mincing the words of everyone else that responds to your ridiculous statements

You are full of complete and utter bullshit.

...and you know it and it's nothing new.

If anybody here actually believes that Jarvis Jones was drafted for any other reason than his (supposed) epic pass rushing skills coming out of UGA, they are either total fucking retards or they are bullshitting.

But you'll try to heap more bullshit on the pile and try to convince people that "Jarvis is a football player."

[Legacy User]

You are full of complete and utter bullshit.

...and you know it and it's nothing new.

If anybody here actually believes that Jarvis Jones was drafted for any other reason than his (supposed) epic pass rushing skills coming out of UGA, they are either total fucking retards or they are bullshitting.

But you'll try to heap more bullshit on the pile and try to convince people that "Jarvis is a football player."

No, you're right, you're always right. You do see 15-20 Steeler plays a week with your nose buried in a computer screen.

It was all about sacks when he was in college. Had nothing to do with leading the nation in TFL or forced fumbles, like a good football player would do

Keep driving that Tyler Eifert train there Bengal fan. WOOT WOOT

[K_C_]

Kevin Colbert quote:

They believe Jarvis Jones will change that history dramatically.

"He definitely is one of the guys I talked about the other day as being a special player in this draft," general manager Kevin Colbert said. "He's a solid kid, a great player. He was dominant at a major college. He plays the run, chases the ball and most important he gets after the passer.

[K_C_]

Is IC trying to make fun of the Eifert pick by insinuating Jervis has done more at the pro level than Eifert?

THAT doesn't look fucking dumb.......

[Legacy User]

is that a quote from the same front office that you exist solely to crucify?

Do 2 sacks in his first 2.5 games not count? I know the Steelerfury game thread is where the real football analysis takes place, but on behalf of the Pittsburgh Steelers we'd like to extend and apology to you for the "titty fighting" you think you saw.

I have 10 of your alter egos on ignore. May be time to make it 11

[K_C_]

is that a quote from the same front office that you exist solely to crucify?

Do 2 sacks in his first 2.5 games not count? I know the Steelerfury game thread is where the real football analysis takes place, but on behalf of the Pittsburgh Steelers we'd like to extend and apology to you for the "titty fighting" you think you saw.

I have 10 of your alter egos on ignore. May be time to make it 11

Okay buddy. A whole 2.5 games. He was on fire.

But nice shovel full of bullshit on the front office line. You were scrambling and while that doesn't work at all, it was a good attempt.

But shovel full of bullshit or not, Jervis was brought in MOST IMPORTANTLY to get after the passer.

[Legacy User]

2 sacks in his first 10 quarters of football then he missed 11 weeks

that's about a 13 sack pace, which exceeded the bullshit metric you set for him

have a great night

[955876]

Before the injury, I thought he looked all those things. Big, strong, fast, and explosive

I can't expect a guy with that much time off to get his legs back overnight. He's basically starting the conditioning of training camp all over again without the benefit of padded practices.

Sorry I can't exaggerate as much as everyone else, I'm working on it

Before the injury I thought he looked improved over last year. But a stretch to say strong, fast, and explosive. But that's just my opinion.

As for the time off thing, well, these guys are athletes at the pinnacle of sports. They have access to the finest trainers & facilities available. So I see no reason why a guy with a wrist injury should completely lose his legs or condition. Just not buying that.

Further, the team as a whole isn't doing much padded practice once the season starts anyways so is he really missing out?

Now I get that only playing football gets you truly into football shape. With that being said, he has the best training expertise as well as equipment to ensure his body is too top. If anything, with all the time off he could have been putting in extra work on his lower half. Especially without having the dedicate any time to post game rehab and treatment.

Wrist injury to me is zero reason to be "out of shape" or "starting over"...

[Legacy User]

Josh Gordon says Hello!

[Legacy User]

All I'm going to say is this.

If you've ever put a helmet on then you know that you can't get close to the same type of conditioning without pads as you do with. Its about contact and explosion. They spend a month in training camp for a reason

What was James Harrison quote when he signed. 12 lbs over weight with no legs? Does he not have access to the same quality trainers Jarvis Jones does?

nice try but you're wrong

[955876]

If you've ever put a helmet on then you know that you can't get close to the same type of conditioning without pads as you do with. Its about contact and explosion. They spend a month in training camp for a reason

So what do all the other players who aren't injured but also not allowed to out pads on do?

You do realize "contact & explosion" has been restricted a great deal as per the CBA right?

[Legacy User]

Jarvis looked like he was coming along before dislocating the wrist. Can we keep from jizzing all over ourselves that we are right that he sucks until he has a few full strength non-rookie games under his belt?

[955876]

What was James Harrison quote when he signed. 12 lbs over weight with no legs? Does he not have access to the same quality trainers Jarvis Jones does?

Ummm, James Harrison was retired in his mind and had no reason to be in football shape.

So nice try.

I'll ask again, since pads and full contact has been greatly reduced due to the CBA, how do all the other players stay in football shape?

Especially for the non-starters?

Again, I get that only playing actual games gets your endurance fully up to play games. But let's not get carried away here. You are making it sound as if it's 1964 and ole Jarvis just got done working his offseason job and it's totally expected that his legs are gone because he injured his ummm, wrist.

You'll have to do better.