Martavis Bryant trying to ruin things. Season suspension?

[BethlehemSteel]

I'm reading that it's not pot but opiates/synthetics

But who knows

[Legacy User]

I dont know if this was stated before ( I didn't read the 4 pages of bitching), but according to Jason Mackey, Martavis never actually failed a test but just missed some.

Earlier today I think I read somewhere that, after a 4-game suspension, "missing" a test is deemed to be "failing" a test.

If so, the burden of proof (for lack of a better expression) would fall on Bryant. Why would you miss not one but multiple tests unless you were concerned that you might/would fail those tests? Better to just take and pass the tests I'd think.

[Legacy User]

I dont know if this was stated before ( I didn't read the 4 pages of bitching), but according to Jason Mackey, Martavis never actually failed a test but just missed some.

My point about the team. The brain trust was biting pillows while Bryant was playing hookie. With a guy like that, you knock on the door and say Hi Marty Ill Ill drive ya down for yer piss test.

The brain trust has its head up its ass.

[Legacy User]

I'm reading that it's not pot but opiates/synthetics

But who knows

Isn't that what happened to the Patriot player near the end of the season?

[randomsteelerfan]

You sure are jumping to a lot of conclusions about me based on very limited info. The very thing you are calling me out for doing to Martavis. Isn't that ironic.

Are you actually saying that it isn't possible that MB is just a stupid fuck? Like we haven't seen this movie before? Does everyone who throws a way a career because they couldn't not do drugs have a serious medical condition?

He might. Then again, he might not.

And this was all raised last year. So IF he has those issues where was his support? Has he been attending meetings? Does he have a sponsor? Has he been seeing a therapist?

Marijuana while possibly mentally addicting does not have the strong physically addictive traits as say heroin.

So I am finding it just a bit hard to believe that his "depression" was so severe that he just couldn't keep the pipe out of his mouth. All the while still being able to function in seemingly every other facet of his life.

It doesn't add up to me and why I'm leaning toward the opinion I have. You are free to think what you want. But spare me the melodramatic bullshit.

You could have simply debated my point against me rather than sniveling.

Suddenly you're becoming all soft and understanding on the issue? I initially responded to the following:

With that being said, Bryant is an idiot of the highest level. While I don't agree with the rules, those are the rules. He needed to follow them to the T after last season's suspension.

Not only idiotic but highly selfish. Let down his team & his fans. But he b goodz wit hiz Boyz tho. Street cred in tact.

This fucker will be broke & strung out on the hard stuff in a few years

This black and white interpretation of the situation is reflective of the typical post in this thread. "Stupid moron that doesn't understand the opportunity he's wasting."

Nothing you posted directly above is reflective of what you state in this particular post. In the above, you're judge, jury and executioner over a football player on a football team playing a meaningless game for outrageously overvalued money without knowing any causal facts. Think about that? That seems so ridiculously trivial.

In my mind, there is no debate to be made here. It's either he likes pot more than football and money and caring for his family or he has some legitimate mental health disorder. If it's the former, I agree. He's an idiot. If it's the latter, I hope he gets his life in order. However, regardless of which it is, he doesn't deserve to be chastised and hammered the way he has been here on this board just because his life choices don't align with what you or me think they should be.

[BethlehemSteel]

The brain trust would be smart and take the #10 uniform out of circulation

[randomsteelerfan]

The brain trust would be smart and take the #10 uniform out of circulation

+1

[BethlehemSteel]

I'm reading that it's not pot but opiates/synthetics

But who knows

Isn't that what happened to the Patriot player near the end of the season?

Yep but that didn't even get dealt with yet......amazingly

The missed test is current, what I read was the older stuff

[Kodiak]

I see no reason why owners support this nonsense. Unless they are caught while driving, who should give a fuck if a grown ass man smokes weed in his personal time?

The issue is the drug policy, I think, specifically refers to Schedule 1 drugs. They could make an exception for marijuana, but there are a host of reasons why they might not want to.

So it's less about the league expressly prohibiting marijuana and everything to do with its status as Schedule 1.

[Orangesteel]

So a missed test means a missed year? Just like that?

[jeemie]

I dont know if this was stated before ( I didn't read the 4 pages of bitching), but according to Jason Mackey, Martavis never actually failed a test but just missed some.

My point about the team. The brain trust was biting pillows while Bryant was playing hookie. With a guy like that, you knock on the door and say Hi Marty Ill Ill drive ya down for yer piss test.

The brain trust has its head up its ass.

Are they to have a full time baby sitter to make sure he can pass those tests?

[jeemie]

So a missed test means a missed year? Just like that?

Several, not one, if I'm reading things correctly.

[bradshaw2ben]

I think the point is exactly that no one knows, 95.

Therefore to call him stupid is premature.

Stupid is as stupid does. If it walks like a duck & quaks like a duck it must be a duck. I could go on.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have mine and will choose to comment on this based on my opinion. Not the "approved" version of what someone is to think.

Severe clinical depression is debilitating. You don't function normally with severe clinical depression. So let's do a quick tally.

MB has been able to get himself through high school and in college. Through college and into the NFL. These are large accomplishments.

He is also in top physical shape. That only comes with hard work. Lots of hard work. That isn't easily accomplished if suffering from severe depression.

Maybe there is something there. I don't know. But until something of actual substance comes to light I'm leaning on the side that MB just likes his bud and is too weak minded to stop.

Brother, you have no idea what you're talking about. My former fianceé, who battled severe depression for 20 years was extremely high-functioning. Dancer, athlete, extremely successful business owner, extremely well-respected teacher and so on. She also thought vividly about killing herself pretty much every day, especially the last 5-6 years, until she finally committed ritual seppuku and set her condo on fire. Sometimes overachievers can be hiding shit you would t believe and they still function.

[Louis Lipps Service]

So a missed test means a missed year? Just like that?

Several, not one, if I'm reading things correctly.

I thought a missed test counted as a positive test, which put him at the 1 year ban.

[Legacy User]

So a missed test means a missed year? Just like that?

Whether or not this is a good or bad policy, apparently it is THE policy.
It's Bryant's BUSINESS (literally) to know what the policy is and to follow it.
Yet, we seem to be more concerned about it than did he.
If he's too busy to learn the rules and/or show up for 1+ tests after his 4-game suspension, that's really on him.

[955876]

It's either he likes pot more than football and money and caring for his family or he has some legitimate mental health disorder. If it's the former, I agree. He's an idiot. If it's the latter, I hope he gets his life in order. However, regardless of which it is, he doesn't deserve to be chastised and hammered the way he has been here on this board just because his life choices don't align with what you or me think they should be.

And since you do not know if it is in fact the former there was no reason to jump on me simply because at THIS POINT my personal opinion is that it is the former.

And even if it is not, the kid already had his wake up call and already has a bounty of free services available to him. Not taking advantage can also be considered foolish.

And unless he is reading this board, he isn't being chastised. I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't fit your neatly wrapped narrative of how you would like people to respond to this situation.

And again, it is not a "meaningless game". It's his job and chosen profession.

Lastly, I do hope you realize that because of the big money involved in this "meaningless game" that sometimes damage control is done by player agents and those within their inner circle.

Certainly you are not so naive to buy the major depression thing without at least considering the other side.

[Jobu]

Point1-I'm an old fuck, and my pot smoking days are many miles in the rear view mirror. But back in my day, I knew many heavy smokers that had no mental disorders or other personal issues, that were totally irresponsible due to pot smoking and only pot smoking.
"Hey dude, ya going to work today?"
Naa maaan...I'm just going to chill all day. Pass me that box of Twinkies, man.

Point2-From what I understand, MB is appealing. Could be the Steelers are waiting to see how it turns out. There may be more here than meets the eye. Consider some of the suspensions that have been reduced and overturned recently, its not unimaginable that MBs could be cut to 8 games or so. The Steelers stay behind him, get him treatment and support, and it possibly pays off down the stretch. Nothing to lose in that scenario...right?

[955876]

I think the point is exactly that no one knows, 95.

Therefore to call him stupid is premature.

Stupid is as stupid does. If it walks like a duck & quaks like a duck it must be a duck. I could go on.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have mine and will choose to comment on this based on my opinion. Not the "approved" version of what someone is to think.

Severe clinical depression is debilitating. You don't function normally with severe clinical depression. So let's do a quick tally.

MB has been able to get himself through high school and in college. Through college and into the NFL. These are large accomplishments.

He is also in top physical shape. That only comes with hard work. Lots of hard work. That isn't easily accomplished if suffering from severe depression.

Maybe there is something there. I don't know. But until something of actual substance comes to light I'm leaning on the side that MB just likes his bud and is too weak minded to stop.

Brother, you have no idea what you're talking about. My former fianceé, who battled severe depression for 20 years was extremely high-functioning. Dancer, athlete, extremely successful business owner, extremely well-respected teacher and so on. She also thought vividly about killing herself pretty much every day, especially the last 5-6 years, until she finally committed ritual seppuku and set her condo on fire. Sometimes overachievers can be hiding shit you would t believe and they still function.

Some certainly can. Others cannot.

My point, is that if he is so messed up it is awfully convenient that he can function perfectly fine until the bong starts getting past around.

Some here are jumping on me for "jumping to conclusions" but aren't you (they) doing the same thing by simply assuming the story you are being fed is the correct one?

It's not like the depression thing has come from a valid source or am Inwrong there?

What about past records? This kid seen for this in the past? Is there actually a history there or did he all of a sudden have depression issues after pissing hot?

[Orangesteel]

B2B that is some heavy stuff man. My condolences to you for that loss.

[BethlehemSteel]

I think the point is exactly that no one knows, 95.

Therefore to call him stupid is premature.

Stupid is as stupid does. If it walks like a duck & quaks like a duck it must be a duck. I could go on.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have mine and will choose to comment on this based on my opinion. Not the "approved" version of what someone is to think.

Severe clinical depression is debilitating. You don't function normally with severe clinical depression. So let's do a quick tally.

MB has been able to get himself through high school and in college. Through college and into the NFL. These are large accomplishments.

He is also in top physical shape. That only comes with hard work. Lots of hard work. That isn't easily accomplished if suffering from severe depression.

Maybe there is something there. I don't know. But until something of actual substance comes to light I'm leaning on the side that MB just likes his bud and is too weak minded to stop.

Brother, you have no idea what you're talking about. My former fianceé, who battled severe depression for 20 years was extremely high-functioning. Dancer, athlete, extremely successful business owner, extremely well-respected teacher and so on. She also thought vividly about killing herself pretty much every day, especially the last 5-6 years, until she finally committed ritual seppuku and set her condo on fire. Sometimes overachievers can be hiding shit you would t believe and they still function.

Man I'm sorry. Really

[Legacy User]

Have we seen a pattern over the last few years........... of the PS drafting very immature and weak minded players................ with football not being a top priority or "passion"
I include non-football smart players in this category as well...........
Not sure how these guys are tested mentally?.....wonderlick? Interview process to gauge a kids intelligence, etc.

Bryant - pot
Lev Bell - pot
Adams - pot, off field shooting
Rainey - domestic issues
Mendanhall - not a huge desire to play football.
Jason Worilds - not a huge desire to play football.
Pouncey - questionable thought process supporting the pysco-path Hernandez
Ta'Amu - running down people / police with his car
Sweed - mentally weak to overcome talent
Shmarko - football smarts
Cortez - Football smarts - mentally overcoming
Woodleys - eventual desire to make football #1 priority
Are Timmons and Shazier cut from the same mold....incredible athletic specimens.....not the smartest football players.......

Oh, I see what you're doing here. Let's name all the minority players who are miscreants or dumb asses. But you forgot one very important name to add to the list:

Roethlisberger: Two-time alleged rapist

There goes your narrative.

[Legacy User]

Random thank you for saying something. I think there's a fair about of ignorance going on in this thread. Truth is we don't know the actual facts. Everyone has their own slant on it mostly because of their own life experiences, but right now we just don't know.

B2B thanks for sharing. How horrible. I have dealt with depression my whole life, although thankfully not to that extent (knock on wood). Clinical depression is definitely no laughing matter.

I am also a (weed) addict. I was fortunate to kick it (knock on wood again). I learned that I did it mostly in an attempt to self medicate. I also learned that a goodly percentage of addicts end up either dead or in jail. So my concern, beyond my selfish concerns as a Steeler fan, is that he can find his life again whether or not that life includes the NFL or not. Face it- he's black, so the chances of him ending up in jail are much greater than they were for an old nerdy looking white guy like me. And even though it's "only" weed, I sure would hate to see the kid end up dead.

I suppose it's possible he's just a fuckup and stupid and selfish and all that stuff, but considering the $$$ involved I pretty heavily doubt it.

That's my two cents. I'm praying for the kid- as a human being.

And I agree he's probably done as a Steeler.

[K_C_]

I'm gonna go with Martavis just really, really likes weed and isn't the brightest bulb in the lamp.

Uh huh.

[randomsteelerfan]

It's either he likes pot more than football and money and caring for his family or he has some legitimate mental health disorder. If it's the former, I agree. He's an idiot. If it's the latter, I hope he gets his life in order. However, regardless of which it is, he doesn't deserve to be chastised and hammered the way he has been here on this board just because his life choices don't align with what you or me think they should be.

And since you do not know if it is in fact the former there was no reason to jump on me simply because at THIS POINT my personal opinion is that it is the former.

And even if it is not, the kid already had his wake up call and already has a bounty of free services available to him. Not taking advantage can also be considered foolish.

And unless he is reading this board, he isn't being chastised. I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't fit your neatly wrapped narrative of how you would like people to respond to this situation.

And again, it is not a "meaningless game". It's his job and chosen profession.

Lastly, I do hope you realize that because of the big money involved in this "meaningless game" that sometimes damage control is done by player agents and those within their inner circle.

Certainly you are not so naive to buy the major depression thing without at least considering the other side.

WTF are you talking about, dude? isnt being chastised on this board? Are you kidding? Do I have to quote you again? You do understand what chastise means, right?

And, based on this most recent response, you don't even understand why I jumped down your throat. Maybe go reread this thread and see if it makes more sense.

[SteelyourFace]

Brother, you have no idea what you're talking about. My former fianceé, who battled severe depression for 20 years was extremely high-functioning. Dancer, athlete, extremely successful business owner, extremely well-respected teacher and so on. She also thought vividly about killing herself pretty much every day, especially the last 5-6 years, until she finally committed ritual seppuku and set her condo on fire. Sometimes overachievers can be hiding shit you would t believe and they still function.[/quote]

I had to login. I am truly sorry for your loss. Nobody can ever know what it is like to walk in someone else's shoes. People you think have it so good may be suffering in ways you can't even imagine.

[955876]

WTF are you talking about, dude? isnt being chastised on this board? Are you kidding? Do I have to quote you again? You do understand what chastise means, right?

You don't need to quote me. You might however want to dig a bit deeper into what chastise actually means though. Because unless I'm saying it to his face or he is reading this board then he isn't getting chastised.


synonyms: scold, upbraid, berate, reprimand, reprove, rebuke, admonish, chide, censure, lambaste, castigate, lecture, give someone a piece of one's mind, give someone a tongue-lashing, take to task, rake/haul over the coals;


Until I see proof otherwise I'll stick with my opinion and you can stick with yours. If it comes out that he in fact has seriously debilitating medical issues I'll reconsider. Until then, let's cut the sensitivity to the opinions of others.

Saying "poor Marty B I really hope he gets help in his life" is not doing anything for him just as me saying I think he's a dumbfuck for fucking up again isn't hurting or "chastising" him.

Now if his teammates or Rooney give him an earful then they can be accused of chastising him.

You square now?

[Legacy User]

I dont know if this was stated before ( I didn't read the 4 pages of bitching), but according to Jason Mackey, Martavis never actually failed a test but just missed some.

My point about the team. The brain trust was biting pillows while Bryant was playing hookie. With a guy like that, you knock on the door and say Hi Marty Ill Ill drive ya down for yer piss test.

The brain trust has its head up its ass.

Are they to have a full time baby sitter to make sure he can pass those tests?

Nice hyperbole. How about a with that guy you check. In case you didn't know many of these amazing athletes are beyond dumb. I'm mean like neck and neck with a cat. I wouldnt make it a regular but in his case you discuss teh possibility that he is too dumb to make it to teh piss test and then take appropriate measures with the rules of the cba. Send his agent a letter etc,

How fuckin hard is that

[Donnie Brasco]

So a missed test means a missed year? Just like that?

Majority of drug policies I've seen treat a missed or adulterated test the same as a positive result

[bradshaw2ben]

Also it's very common for severely depressed people and recovering addicts to use exercise/extreme fitness as a way to cope with their issues.

My friend was the fittest person I know-- she worked out like a maniac and could do core work and Pilates stuff her professional athlete clients couldn't.

[Legacy User]

Have we seen a pattern over the last few years........... of the PS drafting very immature and weak minded players................ with football not being a top priority or "passion"
I include non-football smart players in this category as well...........
Not sure how these guys are tested mentally?.....wonderlick? Interview process to gauge a kids intelligence, etc.

Bryant - pot
Lev Bell - pot
Adams - pot, off field shooting
Rainey - domestic issues
Mendanhall - not a huge desire to play football.
Jason Worilds - not a huge desire to play football.
Pouncey - questionable thought process supporting the pysco-path Hernandez
Ta'Amu - running down people / police with his car
Sweed - mentally weak to overcome talent
Shmarko - football smarts
Cortez - Football smarts - mentally overcoming
Woodleys - eventual desire to make football #1 priority
Are Timmons and Shazier cut from the same mold....incredible athletic specimens.....not the smartest football players.......

Oh, I see what you're doing here. Let's name all the minority players who are miscreants or dumb asses. But you forgot one very important name to add to the list:

Roethlisberger: Two-time alleged rapist

There goes your narrative.

Twice in this thread. Why are we still doing this race shit?

hopefully Im just dumb and there was a sarca font that I missed

If I'm dumb then PM me about the next piss test


BTW I thought Bryant was here with his mom, what happened to that?