Pass to AB with 2:00 left

[955876]

Greatest Show on Turf never pulled that bullshit though, '95.

Maybe not that shit. But they were known to often do some dumb "reckless" type of things.

And the reason always given was they had so much confidence in the O they didn't care.

We are not that capable. Not by a long shot. That was the point of the reference.

Shit, this team may fuck up a few kneel downs if they had to do it ten times in a row.

[swissvale72]

What Ben should do is every time the Steelers get a lead he should grab the ball and hold it in the fetal position until everyone leaves the stadium.

People who are extremely risk averse never leave their apartments. Remember to enjoy life, take some smart risks.

Funny to juxatapose Zeke's well-thought out post just above with the sheer idiocy of this one.

[swissvale72]

Barnwell wrote about it:

Delivered to Brown

One of Sunday’s dumbest plays came as far underneath the radar as possible. The Jacksonville Jaguars delivered a game effort, producing their best defensive performance of the season, but after Pittsburgh’s LeGarrette Blount plunged through the line for a third-and-1 conversion with 2:19 left, the Jaguars were done. The clock wound afterward to the two-minute warning, and with the Jaguars out of timeouts, they appeared resigned to a 17-9 defeat. The Steelers only needed to kneel three times to run out the remaining 120 seconds and claim their third win.

That’s not what the Steelers did, though. They came out after the two-minute warning and, of all things, threw a pass. Ben Roethlisberger completed a simple screen to Antonio Brown for 16 yards. Why throw the ball with the game sealed up? Stats! Brown entered the contest with five receptions or more in a league-record 20 consecutive games, but after Blount’s plunge, the star Pittsburgh wideout had just four catches for 68 yards, which would have snapped his streak. Roethlisberger admitted afterward that he called for the play to try to get Brown his streak-extending reception.

Streaks are cool. Records are cool. And Brown’s an excellent receiver, a superstar who probably doesn’t get his due as one of the best wideouts in football. But this was an impossibly shortsighted move. The Jaguars were still within one touchdown; if the pass went backward, or if Brown fumbled, the Jaguars could very well have taken the ball over with 1:50 to go and a chance to tie the game.

If that happens, the entire world is excoriating Roethlisberger and the Steelers for being greedy enough to sacrifice their hold on the game for chasing a dumb stat, a record nobody will remember two weeks after Brown’s streak eventually ends. It didn’t come back to haunt the Steelers, but that’s not the point; the decision was dumb, regardless of how the process played out. Steelers coach Mike Tomlin is one of the many coaches who have said “stats are for losers.” If that aphorism is true, what were the Steelers doing on that final drive?

Thanks for posting, Chipped Hammer.....nice to know that somebody noticed.

[Legacy User]

I know the brain trust of the Pierogi and IC think this is much ado about nothing. Here are the simple facts. Taking three knees leads to the win more often than throwing a pass. What if it is incomplete + Suishy misses the FG? Is that likely to happen? Nope. However, you are more likely to win taking three knees as opposed to throwing a pass. So, you take three knees. Maybe 43 is right, but I doubt it.

Trying to compare last week to this week demonstrate ignorance of the reason why everyone was upset last week and this week. It is okay people make mistakes. I did -- Swiss pointed out I had field position off. My memory failed. It happens to the best of us. But instead, don't double down. Admit you made a mistake.

Wait, did someone suggest throwing that pass to Brown after the 2:00 warning improved their chance of winning more than taking three knees would have? I must have missed that idiot's post.

Throwing was obviously an unnecessary risk, but people are going severely overboard with the what-if scenarios here.

They called the highest of high-percentage passes to get Brown his fifth catch, completed it for a first down and then kneeled it three straight times to run out the clock. What an outrage!?!?

[K_C_]

Amazing this really needs to be explained to some, but.....

Not a major surprise.

[955876]

They called the highest of high-percentage passes to get Brown his fifth catch, completed it for a first down and then kneeled it three straight times to run out the clock. What an outrage!?!?

Maybe they should have called that play last week...

[Legacy User]

They called the highest of high-percentage passes to get Brown his fifth catch, completed it for a first down and then kneeled it three straight times to run out the clock. What an outrage!?!?

Maybe they should have called that play last week...

They should have.

[K_C_]

They called the highest of high-percentage passes to get Brown his fifth catch, completed it for a first down and then kneeled it three straight times to run out the clock. What an outrage!?!?

Maybe they should have called that play last week...

Pierogi is one scary motherfucker.

[Steel Mike]

This thread is at 19 pages huh?

Good gravy... Who cares?

[Legacy User]

i am the biggest Tomlin defender on this site

the 5/50 throw was dumb selfish and certainly gives ....some....creedence to the Tomlin haters

"Everyday I walk by 5(6?) Lombardis not 5 rushing titles"

I guess the heretofore unknown uncaredabout 5/50 bullshit reicieving stat trumps that

Id love to know what Willie Parker is thinking right now

Good post, very true.

STD....honest to God's truth. I'll be in Moncton, NB rest of the week, so was going to put the figurative pen to paper in the next hour for this week's SBI piece. Was my intent to lead with the Tomlin quote re: rushing titles. I still might. If I do, I'll extend credit (in some fashion) to you.

i tell ya what swissvale......just drop the agenda and let everything stand on its own merit and i'll be fine .....

my bottom line is this :

-Tomlin has had alot forced on him by dumbfuck ownership in Pittsburgh. I think right or wrong he accepts that injustice as a challenge and genuinely feels he is more than capable of succeeding despite the massive bullshit thats been forced on him.

-Tomlin isnt a HC without a few faults. Very few are. I wish hed get a fair shot in Pittsburgh.

-This thread is really my main bitch with posters here and perhaps the country as a whole right now: no one will ever admit their "enemy" who roots for the same team btw is right.

-The 5/50 throw was damn dumb and selfish for all involved

[FortyThree]

I know the brain trust of the Pierogi and IC think this is much ado about nothing. Here are the simple facts. Taking three knees leads to the win more often than throwing a pass. What if it is incomplete + Suishy misses the FG? Is that likely to happen? Nope. However, you are more likely to win taking three knees as opposed to throwing a pass. So, you take three knees. Maybe 43 is right, but I doubt it.

Trying to compare last week to this week demonstrate ignorance of the reason why everyone was upset last week and this week. It is okay people make mistakes. I did -- Swiss pointed out I had field position off. My memory failed. It happens to the best of us. But instead, don't double down. Admit you made a mistake.

Wait, did someone suggest throwing that pass to Brown after the 2:00 warning improved their chance of winning more than taking three knees would have? I must have missed that idiot's post.

Throwing was obviously an unnecessary risk, but people are going severely overboard with the what-if scenarios here.

They called the highest of high-percentage passes to get Brown his fifth catch, completed it for a first down and then kneeled it three straight times to run out the clock. What an outrage!?!?

This.

It was unnecessary but it was so high percentage that people have to be looking for things to get mad about to really care.

[steeledge]

clearly that the inmates are running the asylum...Tomlin inspires fear and respect in noone.

.

[Legacy User]

Trying to compare a throw to extend a record when the game is over with 3 kneel downs, to a 3rd and 5 situation is pathetic.

They are so far apart in terms of context that I'm surprised anyone who is semi-intelligent would try to tie the two together.

[Legacy User]

Trying to compare a throw to extend a record when the game is over with 3 kneel downs, to a 3rd and 5 situation is pathetic.

They are so far apart in terms of context that I'm surprised anyone who is semi-intelligent would try to tie the two together.

Unless they're comparing the message board reaction to said plays rather than the plays themselves.

[Legacy User]

I know the brain trust of the Pierogi and IC think this is much ado about nothing. Here are the simple facts. Taking three knees leads to the win more often than throwing a pass. What if it is incomplete + Suishy misses the FG? Is that likely to happen? Nope. However, you are more likely to win taking three knees as opposed to throwing a pass. So, you take three knees. Maybe 43 is right, but I doubt it.

Trying to compare last week to this week demonstrate ignorance of the reason why everyone was upset last week and this week. It is okay people make mistakes. I did -- Swiss pointed out I had field position off. My memory failed. It happens to the best of us. But instead, don't double down. Admit you made a mistake.

Wait, did someone suggest throwing that pass to Brown after the 2:00 warning improved their chance of winning more than taking three knees would have? I must have missed that idiot's post.

Throwing was obviously an unnecessary risk, but people are going severely overboard with the what-if scenarios here.

They called the highest of high-percentage passes to get Brown his fifth catch, completed it for a first down and then kneeled it three straight times to run out the clock. What an outrage!?!?

This.

It was unnecessary but it was so high percentage that people have to be looking for things to get mad about to really care.

43, I think some (Perch, for instance) are more upset about the the appearance of making it a priority to design plays around getting individual players touches for reasons other than winning than they are upset over possibly losing the game from it.

It was rather Hines Wardish and fake and put an individual player's concerns above the teams. That alone has got people in an uproar. I think this can be distinguished from worrying over a very unlikely fumble.

[steeledge]

If you read Kaboly's full tweets, he said Ben asked Tomlin's permission to throw the ball to Brown there and the dude obliged.

Doesn't trust Ben last week, but then trusts him to pile up a meaningless stat here. Cerebral on a level we can't even comprehend.

[Legacy User]

That seems like a silly thing to be upset over.

Was there this much of an uproar about the Hines Ward bubble screen game at the end of his career?

[Legacy User]

The problem is this

These kinds of things, these decisions to run unnecessary plays for records - reflect on how the coach wants to run the team.

If the Steelers are winning, this is the type of things everyone points to and says "That's why the coach is getting results, his guys will run through a wall for him because he knows he has their back when it comes to things like personal records."

but when you are losing.... and taking lots of personal foul penalties.. and having to answer why your team is unprepared and/or not responding to the things you said you've worked on. Well... that's a whole other story.

It's a matter of coaching style and the results... if you are Tom Coughlin and you bench guys for only being 5 minutes early instead of 10, but you win - well then it's a great idea. If your players give up on you and despise you - it's a bad idea.

[Legacy User]

That seems like a silly thing to be upset over.

Was there this much of an uproar about the Hines Ward bubble screen game at the end of his career?

Yes. Some of us were quite vocal about what a farce it was. Hines was better than that and I wish he hadn't agreed to it. Most of it came in the Cleveland game?

[Legacy User]

If you read Kaboly's full tweets, he said Ben asked Tomlin's permission to throw the ball to Brown there and the dude obliged.

Doesn't trust Ben last week, but then trusts him to pile up a meaningless stat here. Cerebral on a level we can't even comprehend.

Tomlin: You've been mind-fucked before?

Fans: I don't think so.

Tomlin: I'm mind-fucking you right now.

Fans: You are?

Tomlin: Can't you feel my dick fucking your mind?

Fans: No, I can't really feel anything.

Tomlin: See? That's it. That's the art of it. I'm mind-fucking the shit out of you.

[Legacy User]

the other part of the 5/50 bullshit is this:

isnt that a real damn pathetic "streak"?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

[Legacy User]

Tomlin: You've been mind-fucked before?

Fans: I don't think so.

Tomlin: I'm mind-fucking you right now.

Fans: You are?

Tomlin: Can't you feel my dick fucking your mind?

Fans: No, I can't really feel anything.

Tomlin: See? That's it. That's the art of it. I'm mind-fucking the shit out of you.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-klQ-kpq98[/youtube]

[swissvale72]

SteelerVHilts (whatever the fuck STD's name is now) wrote:

i tell ya what swissvale......just drop the agenda and let everything stand on its own merit and i'll be fine :lol: .....

my bottom line is this :

-Tomlin has had alot forced on him by dumbfuck ownership in Pittsburgh. I think right or wrong he accepts that injustice as a challenge and genuinely feels he is more than capable of succeeding despite the massive bullshit thats been forced on him.

-Tomlin isnt a HC without a few faults. Very few are. I wish hed get a fair shot in Pittsburgh.

-This thread is really my main bitch with posters here and perhaps the country as a whole right now: no one will ever admit their "enemy" who roots for the same team btw is right.

-The 5/50 throw was damn dumb and selfish for all involved

Swissvale72 wrote:

To what agenda are you referring, STD?

[Steelperch]

That seems like a silly thing to be upset over.

Was there this much of an uproar about the Hines Ward bubble screen game at the end of his career?

Are you not able to see how the two plays are massively different? Ward's pass play came with 13 minutes left in the game while the Steelers were still driving and trying to build their lead. This play came with under 2 minutes left in a one score game when 3 kneel downs ends the game and secures the victory for the TEAM. The ONLY way the Steelers lose that game yesterday would have been a turnover there. Or as Swiss pointed out had Brown stepped OOB short of the 1st down the Steelers would have needed to make the 1st down in order to run out the clock. Why throw the ball at all there? Throwing it simply for the sole purpose to build on an individual players statistical record (An NFL record that nobody even knew existed before 3 weeks ago) is asinine and dangerous. It feeds into the selfish, "me first" attitude of some players on this team. It's an awful and indefensible play call that was signed off by Tomlin. Had that play been intercepted and the Steelers lost the game you would have lost your mind. Just because it didn't end in disaster doesn't mean it wasn't an awful decision.

And I also want to know who the hell was it that knew what Brown's stat line was during the game? Are these guys so worried about individual accomplishments they are adding up their own stats during a live game?

[Legacy User]

That seems like a silly thing to be upset over.

Was there this much of an uproar about the Hines Ward bubble screen game at the end of his career?

Are you not able to see how the two plays are massively different? Ward's pass play came with 13 minutes left in the game while the Steelers were still driving and trying to build their lead. This play came with under 2 minutes left in a one score game when 3 kneel downs ends the game and secures the victory for the TEAM. The ONLY way the Steelers lose that game yesterday would have been a turnover there. Or as Swiss pointed out had Brown stepped OOB short of the 1st down the Steelers would have needed to make the 1st down in order to run out the clock. Why throw the ball at all there? Throwing it simply for the sole purpose to build on an individual players statistical record (An NFL record that nobody even knew existed before 3 weeks ago) is asinine and dangerous. It feeds into the selfish, "me first" attitude of some players on this team. It's an awful and indefensible play call that was signed off by Tomlin. Had that play been intercepted and the Steelers lost the game you would have lost your mind. Just because it didn't end in disaster doesn't mean it wasn't an awful decision.

And I also want to know who the hell was it that knew what Brown's stat line was during the game? Are these guys so worried about individual accomplishments they are adding up their own stats during a live game?

Great question as to who said, "guys....AB needs one catch to keep his streak going."

My guess? None other than AB himself. Who else brings it up or is thinking about it?

[Legacy User]

Did we really score 10 points against the 32nd ranked defense?

Jesus Christ this team is a mess.

[FortyThree]

That seems like a silly thing to be upset over.

Was there this much of an uproar about the Hines Ward bubble screen game at the end of his career?

Are you not able to see how the two plays are massively different? Ward's pass play came with 13 minutes left in the game while the Steelers were still driving and trying to build their lead. This play came with under 2 minutes left in a one score game when 3 kneel downs ends the game and secures the victory for the TEAM. The ONLY way the Steelers lose that game yesterday would have been a turnover there. Or as Swiss pointed out had Brown stepped OOB short of the 1st down the Steelers would have needed to make the 1st down in order to run out the clock. Why throw the ball at all there? Throwing it simply for the sole purpose to build on an individual players statistical record (An NFL record that nobody even knew existed before 3 weeks ago) is asinine and dangerous. It feeds into the selfish, "me first" attitude of some players on this team. It's an awful and indefensible play call that was signed off by Tomlin. Had that play been intercepted and the Steelers lost the game you would have lost your mind. Just because it didn't end in disaster doesn't mean it wasn't an awful decision.

And I also want to know who the hell was it that knew what Brown's stat line was during the game? Are these guys so worried about individual accomplishments they are adding up their own stats during a live game?

Great question as to who said, "guys....AB needs one catch to keep his streak going."

My guess? None other than AB himself. Who else brings it up or is thinking about it?

Ben.

[Steelperch]

And for you idiots that think this was a "low risk, high percentage safe play"



That's how close this game was to disaster. If it's batted down it could be ruled a fumble on a lateral. if it's incomplete the Steelers are forced to make the 1st down in order to run out the clock. If it's picked off, this guy is off to the races and the Jags merely need a 2 point conversion to send the game into overtime. And the reason for all of this unnecessary risk??? An NFL record of 21 games with 5 catches and 50+ yards. Not exactly the home run record, Cal Ripken's streak, or the NBA All Time Scoring Champion.

[Legacy User]

Maybe.

Him or AB.

Like to think he didn't know AB's stat line at that moment. Is he got a clicker tracking ABs receptions?

[zeke5123]

Trying to compare a throw to extend a record when the game is over with 3 kneel downs, to a 3rd and 5 situation is pathetic.

They are so far apart in terms of context that I'm surprised anyone who is semi-intelligent would try to tie the two together.

The comparison reeks of disingenuous arguing.