StillMadAtSlobber wrote:The reason I pushed NOD out of the topic is that Cowher didnt pick him, not because I back him. Since the criteria is Cowher and his choices in QBs, I discounted what he inherited. Stop looking at nothing but your own agenda and attempt to actually analyze someones response, FFS. NOD was nowhere near the choker you call him out to be, and was good for 2-3 comebacks per year.
O'fetal sucked when it mattered. You suggest Cowher made a major mistake letting him go. He was not the pussy for a 5 wide option route offense. So much of it's success was the newness of it and the unpredictability of when it was used...I held my breath in every game he was sacked in...because I knew if we were empty he would dump it before he was certain once that happened.
Give NO the pass on the 0-6 under Kotite. He choked away December under Parcells the next year...I think he threw 3 picks the last game of the season with playoffs on the line. Fucking big game Neil again. Parcells cut him in June to minimize the cap hit. That sorry MFer was such an embarrassment to me...I had out of state friends that nick named him duck n cover. I think he won 3 post season games in his career...2 of them on the SB run. I can't count the number of times he went untouched fetal...................................................................then a defensive player touched him down.
StillMadAtSlobber wrote:My entire point of the 5-7th round QB picks isnt that he missed a nugget. It is that he treated those picks as discardable garbage when all he was doing was picking camp arms and 3rd stringers that he easily could have gotten for free. Either as UFAs, or other FAs, instead of using picks for them. It is a waste of a pick argument.
Pretty sure Van Pelt broke Marino's Pitt records, won some NFL games, and hung around the NFL about 10 years...he was like the 11 th player BC picked that year. I think they should have stuck it out with Miller...pretty sure he lit it up for Chicago for a year and then had shoulder problems ruin his career...not bad for a sixth rounder. Tee Martin had won a NCAA championship with a lesser roster then Manning had and had an NFL arm...I didn't love it, but it wasn't bad. I didn't like Saint Pierre but a bunch of scouts were in love with his arm. I would argue these are all reminiscent of the BB Brady pick. But 99% of the time you don't get lucky.
StillMadAtSlobber wrote:It is interesting you bring up JJ. I think JJ gets overcredited for his drafting skills. I say that because I think JJ had an inside edge of knowing the players in the college game very well, so he knew their true value and drafted them. All kudos there. After that period of time was over, he didnt draft that well. He knew how to fleece idiots (Minnesota), and he came up with a drafting chart that people signed on with, but didnt drop quick enough once things became skewed (rookie 1st rd salaries/bust rate/over value on JJ's chart).
JJ did stock pile picks in Dallas. But a couple of those drafts were sick. Inside edges are part of the game...I'm all about winning, my only problem with Spygate is Cowher didn't think of it first. Beyond that, JJ didn't scout the Central State Ohios, Emporia States, Texas-El Passos, or the Nevada Renos at Miami.
StillMadAtSlobber wrote:As much as Cowher hit on the bargain FA, that was the Steeler FO. That went downhill once Donaho then Modrak left. Coughlin drafted very well in JVille to start, but then he had extra picks that Houston never got. Parcells was strong for quite a while also.
My memory is TD had mostly lost his touch at the end. I think Colbert brought in some key pieces early in the turn around in KVO, Clark, Hartings, Farrior, lesser pieces like Wilson, Batch, Kirksche, Alexander, lights out udfa's in Harrison and Parker. In any case I credit little to the front office since Cowher...and think they have been very self serving in there descriptions of the process in the Noll era.
