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Post by Steelcody7 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:24 pm

Dan Smith--BYU wrote:Can't believe Vellavedova (?sp) could guard Curry like that.

That performance and Wawrinka beating Djokovic early at the French Open served as a reminder that a lot of guys are a hell of a lot more athletic than they look.



Matthew Dellavedova

He was solid but Curry missed some open shots. I just hope JR Smith and Shumpert have better showings at home! That and the officiating favors the Cavs since they got screwed at GS.



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Post by Legacy User » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:10 am

Sometimes guys like Bellevedove are a bigger problem for quicker guards than longer, more athletic defenders

Even when they bite on a fake they don't go flying past you. Kind of like playing hoops against good wrestlers....they are kind of hard to shake cause they don't buy any of what you're selling

Only criticism I can make of Lebron is that he is not a clutch free throw shooter down the stretch. Other than that, the guy is absolutely unbelievable. Love the way he competes and how he engages his teammates.

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Post by Legacy User » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:28 am

<Matthew Dellavedova>

Thank you.

Two Ds.

For a double dose of pimpin'

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzEMGfR_BtQ&ab_channel=foxhomeent[/youtube]

Curry will play better but so will J.R. Smith.

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Post by Steelcody7 » Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:36 am

It might sound bad, but I would send in Perkins to foul Thompson or Curry HARD early.

Whoever drives to the basket first would get absolutely leveled. They beat on LeBron so I would send a message early. GS sets illegal screens constantly and it doesn't get called. Drilling someone rolling the wrong way would work too.

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Post by Legacy User » Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:26 pm

Here's an interesting scenario:

What would you do if you were Blatt and you manage somehow to hold serve at home?

Given the circumstances I'd go straight Popavich and leave my starters in Cleveland for game 5. I'd have ty Lue bringing ball up, Mike miller shooting from half court, perkins trying to injure someone, T Rex doing whatever the hell it is that T Rex does, one of ball boys getting minutes, etc.....

Rest the weary and try to win it at home game 6.

How do you think the league would react to Lebron not even making the west coast trip for game 5? Would be interesting. ....

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Post by Steelcody7 » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:44 pm

Can't afford to do that.

Best case scenario is the Cavs split the next two anyway. Love and Kyrie are greatly missed.

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Post by Havoc » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:19 am

Game 4, a couple early thoughts...

Dellavedova playing rugby

Where is the championship level rim protector for the warriors when Lebron drives to the basket? They do not have one.
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Post by Steelcody7 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:03 am

Wow is all I can come up with.

LeBron is willing this team to victory. Delly came up BIG as well. Win or lose I'm proud of the grit, heart, and determination these guys are displaying.

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Post by Havoc » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:40 am

grit, heart, and determination


Cool stuff from your team, Cody
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Post by Legacy User » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:53 am

35 yr old Mike Miller and 34 yr old James Jones set the tone early on by getting on the floor for loose balls. Can't let the elder statesmen of the Cavs out hustle you if your GS. Curry can't have another 1st half like that if GS wants to compete. David Lee has earned more minutes for gm 4. Someone is gonna overpay for Draymond Green

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Post by Legacy User » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:49 am

Incredible series so far.

Sometimes the actual play is sloppy but you could not ask for more effort by both teams at this point. As a hoop junkie I love seeing guys laying out for loose balls and defending like wild dogs.

I can't say enough about LeBron, and I'm Jordan Era guy. Gets caught late in the shot clock, turn around baseline J off the side of the backboard, hustles his ass off in transition to dive and poke ball away from Curry........fucking awesome. When is the last time you saw Melo do something like that? Exactly

LeBron is certainly in that conversation as one of the all time greats.

If Curry can somehow start to replicate what he was making in the 4rth, it will be damn near impossible to beat them cause those shots were fucking ridiculous and not one of them touched anything but the bottom. What a pure stroke

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Post by V DUB » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:09 am

I'll say this..I haven't been this into a finals series since Jordan's Bulls. It's a fucking joy to watch. I'm rooting harder for the Cav's than I did for Orlando. It's an odd situation, the greatest player on earth team is the underdog. Series really reminding everyone what team sports is about.

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Post by Legacy User » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:15 am

If the Cavs can pull it off I say focus on the Miami sports media. That'll be the sweetest. They will be so unbelievably butt hurt. He's not even around anymore and he gets as much attention as Heat basketball.......almost all of it negative.

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Post by V DUB » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:51 am

CaptainFantastik wrote:If the Cavs can pull it off I say focus on the Miami sports media. That'll be the sweetest. They will be so unbelievably butt hurt. He's not even around anymore and he gets as much attention as Heat basketball.......almost all of it negative.


+1.

My family down there is filling up FB with sheer hatred. The funny thing is that when he left, all of them had the good riddance thing going on...Wade doesn't need LB" & shit. It pissed them off to no end when I remind them. I laugh & laugh.

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Post by Havoc » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:07 am

I have been wanting to say this for months...Mike Greenberg has the worst basketball mind on the planet.

Today he said if the warriors lose, they will be one of the greatest teams to never win a title. What a laugher. It's all about numbers with him. He cannot discern when those numbers are lying to him.

If the warriors cannot find a way to create space for their shooters, they will lose.

The cavs are the more physical team, and it's not close.

Tristan Thompson is having a Dennis Rodman like series with 14 rebounds per game and tough defense.

The Cavs have a go to guy in the half court game, the warriors don't.

Mozgov is more physical than Bogut.

The Cavs have the best player on the floor, and it's not close.

Pound for pound, the toughest player on the court is Dellavedova.

The overall level of play between these teams is not that great.

I have stated this multiple times... the only time this post season the warriors faced a physical intact defense who could guard the perimeter before this series was 2 games vs the grizzlies and they lost both of those games.

The Warriors benefited from lack of rs injuries. The rs is not equal to post season. A lot of what happens in the nba regular season is meaningless in terms of championship level play.

If the Warriors do not win this series, they are frauds in terms of championship level play.

The Warriors are a young team.
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Post by Legacy User » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:25 pm

If the Warriors do not win they are a very good team with zero finals experience lacking the front court to win a championship. Kind of like the Heat against Dallas a few years ago except both LeBron and Wade had been there once.

The losers of each Lakers-Celtics finals in the eighties and the 93 Suns and 97-98 Jazz are the greatest teams not to win. Mostly because of who they were playing.

Tonight should be interesting. Curry will be better and David Lee will obviously have a bigger role. Let's see how Cleveland adjusts. I am waiting for J.R. Smith's requisite big game.

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Post by Havoc » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:49 pm

If the Warriors do not win they are a very good team with zero finals experience lacking the front court to win a championship.


I agree
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Post by Legacy User » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:52 pm

The Heat had the Mavs beat until they started celebrating prematurely, them couldn't regain their rythm

Talk about unlikely playoff heros......Dirk played great, ayson found his "J", and Chandler finally put it together. But the guy who absolutely made the difference for them in the playoffs was ....JJ Berea?!?

My speculative scenario up 3-1 may be tomorrow AM topic......

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Post by Steelcody7 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:10 pm

The Cavs basically have to win tonight.

They got screwed at GS to the point it cost them game one. Gotta win tonight.

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Post by Havoc » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:22 pm

superk wrote:The Heat had the Mavs beat until they started celebrating prematurely, them couldn't regain their rythm

Talk about unlikely playoff heros......Dirk played great, ayson found his "J", and Chandler finally put it together. But the guy who absolutely made the difference for them in the playoffs was ....JJ Berea?!?

My speculative scenario up 3-1 may be tomorrow AM topic......


I disagree with the bolded.

The 2011 Mavs were the best team in the league in the last 5 minutes of games. That comeback was no fluke.

The Thunder were better than the Mavs in the WCF for 3 quarters, but the Mavs were the better 4th quarter team.

I watched every minute of the Mavs games that entire post season.

On Dirk...

What Dirk did for that team that post season in the 4th quarter of games has not been done very often in a championship run. He was ridiculous. And if anyone did not watch him vs the Thunder, you really missed some historic and unique play from a guy with a skillset the league had not seen before and has not seen since.

2011 Dirk > 2006 Dirk

Note: Dirk is not that guy anymore.

On Lebron...

The go to post game we are seeing from Lebron right now, he did not have in 2011.

Lebron is not a natural great shooter and he used to occasionally not square up his body on his jump shot. He worked on it over the years and straightened that out.

2015 Lebron > 2011 Lebron
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Post by Steelcody7 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:32 am

Joey Crawford is such a piece of shit. Bet he wouldn't have the balls to tell Mozgov to shut up outside the arena. LeBron is beat to shit and the Cavs are running on fumes.

GS doesn't need the extra help they are getting.

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Post by jeemie » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:27 pm

I think the 4th Quarter in game 3 was the turning point.

I believe GS said "enough is enough- let's win this thing".

Can't see the Cavs winning this now.

I don't really care who wins, but if the Warriors do, I'll get the benefit of some more schadenfreude living in the Philadelphia area, because people here will be pissed to see Iguodala not only get a ring, but play a prominent role in them getting it.
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Post by Legacy User » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:18 pm

It seems like the Cavs got nearly every rebound including many offensive and proceeded to blow most of their shots. That suggests they will come back since that shooting performance was an outlier.

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Post by Legacy User » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:23 pm

I haven't watched any of the series but it's interesting that in the span of a couple of hours the narrative went from "Lebron is authoring the greatest story in NBA Finals history" to " Lebron is worn out and the series is lost".

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Post by Steelcody7 » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:36 pm

Win or lose, LeBron = MVP if he plays decently.

He's carrying bench players forced to start once again.

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Post by Havoc » Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:12 am

Dellavedova went to the hospital after the game tuesday night and spent the night there. He asked to come out of last night's game 2 minutes into the 3rd quarter. His body is messed up.

Interesting chess move by Kerr and his staff going small and starting Iguodala and only playing Bogut 3 minutes. Hard to know the net impact on a night the cavs did not have it.

Report is Lebron was hinting they should go deeper into the bench to give guys a little more of a breather.


http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/13051300/matthew-dellavedova-cleveland-cavaliers-treated-dehydration-released-hospital

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/13065011/some-cleveland-cavaliers-feel-team-benefit-giving-more-players-minutes
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Post by Steelcody7 » Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:47 am

Havoc wrote:Dellavedova went to the hospital after the game tuesday night and spent the night there. He asked to come out of last night's game 2 minutes into the 3rd quarter. His body is messed up.

Interesting chess move by Kerr and his staff going small and starting Iguodala and only playing Bogut 3 minutes. Hard to know the net impact on a night the cavs did not have it.

Report is Lebron was hinting they should go deeper into the bench to give guys a little more of a breather.


They should.

Otherwise why are they even there? The starters have nothing left.

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Post by Havoc » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:57 pm

Check this out...

As I previously stated, the go to post game we are seeing right now from Lebron, he did not have in 2011.

Dirk did though. Go to the 13:45 mark in this video...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsXOGuTVbk[/youtube]

It was reported that Lebron went to work that summer on his post game after losing to the Mavs in the finals. He has continued to improve this part of his game to the point where we are currently seeing the best post game he has ever had. Go to the 2:58 mark in this video...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5W0VJATkpE[/youtube]

A couple notes...

Dirk was at his peak in 2011. He attacked defenses according to how they defended him. He used his post game a lot more and in different ways vs the Thunder than the Heat.
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Post by Havoc » Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:36 pm

There is a lot of hype about Stephen Curry's shooting. He is one of the all time great natural shooters. I do not believe there is a "greatest shooter of all time"

The 50/40/90 club...

"The 50–40–90 club is an informal term referring to the group of National Basketball Association (NBA) players who have had a shooting percentage at or above 50% for field goals, 40% for three-pointers, and 90% for free throws during an entire NBA regular season while also achieving the NBA minimum number of makes in each category"

"Steve Nash has the most 50–40–90 seasons with four; two more than any other player."

"Since the NBA introduced the three-point field goal in the 1979–80 season, the 50–40–90 shooting threshold has only been reached by six players: Steve Nash, Larry Bird, Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Durant.[2] Nash and Bird are the only players who achieved 50–40–90 in multiple seasons; Bird was the first player to join this club and achieved it twice consecutively while Nash achieved it four times in five seasons.[3] Nash narrowly missed five consecutive 50–40–90 seasons by shooting at 89.9% from the free throw line for the 2006–07 season, which means that one more made free-throw would have gotten him over the 90% mark."

Notice Curry is not on this list. He is a young player though. His name might appear on this list before his career is over.

Free throw percentage is a good indicator of natural shooting ability.

Nash career rs FT% .904
Curry career rs FT% .900

Nash career ps FT% .900
Curry career ps FT% .863

Curry has a little higher career averages in 3P%

Nash career rs 3P% .428
Curry career rs 3P% .440

Nash career ps 3P% .406
Curry career ps 3P% .410

Steve Nash is in the 50/40/90 club for his entire career averages for both regular season and post season. Unbelievable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%80%9340%E2%80%9390_club

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nashst01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html
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Post by Legacy User » Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:15 pm

Havoc wrote:There is a lot of hype about Stephen Curry's shooting. He is one of the all time great natural shooters. The idea that he is the greatest shooter ever is a laugher.

The 50/40/90 club...

"The 50–40–90 club is an informal term referring to the group of National Basketball Association (NBA) players who have had a shooting percentage at or above 50% for field goals, 40% for three-pointers, and 90% for free throws during an entire NBA regular season while also achieving the NBA minimum number of makes in each category"

"Steve Nash has the most 50–40–90 seasons with four; two more than any other player."

"Since the NBA introduced the three-point field goal in the 1979–80 season, the 50–40–90 shooting threshold has only been reached by six players: Steve Nash, Larry Bird, Mark Price, Reggie Miller, Dirk Nowitzki and Kevin Durant.[2] Nash and Bird are the only players who achieved 50–40–90 in multiple seasons; Bird was the first player to join this club and achieved it twice consecutively while Nash achieved it four times in five seasons.[3] Nash narrowly missed five consecutive 50–40–90 seasons by shooting at 89.9% from the free throw line for the 2006–07 season, which means that one more made free-throw would have gotten him over the 90% mark."

Notice Curry is not on this list. He is a young player though. His name might appear on this list before his career is over.

Free throw percentage is a good indicator of natural shooting ability.

Nash career rs FT% .904
Curry career rs FT% .900

Nash career ps FT% .900
Curry career ps FT% .863

Curry has a little higher career averages in 3P%

Nash career rs 3P% .428
Curry career rs 3P% .440

Nash career ps 3P% .406
Curry career ps 3P% .410

Steve Nash is in the 50/40/90 club for his entire career averages for both regular season and post season. Unbelievable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%80%9340%E2%80%9390_club

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nashst01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01.html

I don't think it's a laugher at all honestly. Neither does Nash

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2482 ... e-marksmen

Nash has no problem conceding the title to Curry.

"The only pause I have is from fear of being ignorant," he said. "Am I missing someone? Does he need to play longer or do it longer? Does he have to do it in the playoffs more years? But my first reaction is, 'Why not?' He's as good as anyone I can think of on every level—pure shooting, array of shots, percentage, getting hot, plays to the end—he checks all the boxes."

Nash discounted the value of his superior percentages—listen up, ye who believe numbers are infallible and efficiency is everything—because he approached the game differently and was sometimes chastised for it.


"He's probably going to shoot a lower percentage than me his whole career because he's going to take more shots and he should," Nash said. "It's just a difference in mentality. I would shoot a higher percentage than Steph because I was much more conservative. I would try to shoot as high a percentage as possible to save shots for my teammates and then shoot more in the fourth quarter. I had coaches tell me I was hurting our team at times by trying to set up my teammates, but I always thought I got it back by how I made them feel and incorporated them into the offensive scheme and the chemistry of the team. He's capable of that, but he's more inclined to score. There are things he can do that I can't. He's such a beautiful shooter with such an array of shots and such a quick release, you wouldn't want to take that away from him at all."

The most notable similarity Nash and Curry share is their uncanny ability to shoot off the dribble, particularly from long range, but even there Nash sees Curry as a cut above.

"Steph takes it to another level," Nash said. "I was able to do it going left and right, and we can both do it at speed, but I was always trying to get to the three-point line. He can do it from deeper and, frankly, I never took a step-back. He has no trouble taking a step-back and making it. You add that to all the other shots. It could be a clincher in this game of deciding who's the best."


"Consistency," Nash said. "Can someone consistently make shots, night in and night out, year after year? That's the true mark of a player. You could break it down a lot of ways, but that's the bottom line. How rare are off nights? There are certain guys, they shoot the ball, you always think it's going in. Steph is able to seamlessly get his feet down, gather his weight between his feet and go up in the air and shoot it in rhythm as if he'd just been standing there, caught it and shot it.

"Truly, from the eye test, he's the greatest there's ever been."

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