Stinger8 wrote:Jackie Chiles wrote:COR-TEN wrote:they think his sack is what was the turning point of the game. I dispute that. It wasn't. And there is nothing. No facts, zip, zilch, nada, that can prove otherwise.
The turning point was when the Patriots made it 20-17 after that the Jags were done.
Thank you Nostradummy er I mean Nostradamus
W&M_Steeler wrote:
What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him?
W&M_Steeler wrote:randomsteelerfan wrote: Tomlin’s a fool and Bud Dupree sucks. The Steelers should have played him more. The Steelers should have found a spot in their scheme for him. Those are mighty truths. They’re also completely irrelevant.
None of that changes the narrative that JH turned himself into a bitchy, whiny, disrespectful, tampon wearing douchebag of a teammate at the end of an amazing career. Then, he signed with the goddamn Patriots. The fucking Patriots.
Fuck JH. I could give 2 shits what he did yesterday, will do in two weeks or next season. Fuck him.
What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him? Then, once cut, was he supposed to turn down an offer from a team that believed he had something to offer them? It sucks that it was the Patriots who made the offer, but the timing of the cut had much to do with it.
Besides, the most damning of the accusations about Harrison (i.e. not visiting Shazier) proved to be a Dupree fabrication. The complaints about him supposedly not helping develop his teammates are a convenient excuse for the coaches to disclaim their failures and shortcomings in developing them.
Harrison bares some of the blame for all of this, but, from everything I've read on the matter, the coaching staff bears the biggest share of the blame. I don't want the Patriots to win in two weeks but, if they do, I hope James wins the Super Bowl MVP. He's a Steeler legend, and the way he was handled this year reflects poorly on the organization.
Jackie Chiles wrote:KC wrote:Jackie Chiles wrote:Yes even then I saw nothing that was trending towards a Jags score... And quit with the Harrison BS... Van Noy made that play and posting a video that shows VanNoy making the play does nothing for you. I get you want Harrison to give Tomlin the Fuck you but trying to make that play about Harrison is embarrassing.
Harrison put hands on Bortles first though.
He’s still got that closing speed......whether you want to believe it or not.
Keep on swimming in denial!!
Oh excuse me... I was more worried about the player that really made the play.
Not swimming in denial just not giving Harrison credit for a sack that was not his.
Maybe the Steelers should sign him to a 5 year deal to play every snap...
Poltargyst wrote:W&M_Steeler wrote:
What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him?
Yes. Because that's what his employer who has made him a wealthy man was asking him to do. He needed to do all that was asked of him in a professional way, and if that's attend meetings and pay attention and mentor young players even if he wasn't seeing the field, then as an employee he needed to do that. Then, in an appropriate manner, seek employment elsewhere if he wasn't happy with the Steelers.
Note that I have been on the fence on this all along. I just don't understand the defending of non-professional behavior on Harrison's part. Did Tomlin bungle this? Maybe. Doesn't mean it wasn't still James's responsibility to be a professional himself.
Having said that, it is hard to believe the Steelers couldn't have found something for James to do all season.
Poltargyst wrote:W&M_Steeler wrote:
What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him?
Yes. Because that's what his employer who has made him a wealthy man was asking him to do. He needed to do all that was asked of him in a professional way, and if that's attend meetings and pay attention and mentor young players even if he wasn't seeing the field, then as an employee he needed to do that. Then, in an appropriate manner, seek employment elsewhere if he wasn't happy with the Steelers.
Note that I have been on the fence on this all along. I just don't understand the defending of non-professional behavior on Harrison's part. Did Tomlin bungle this? Maybe. Doesn't mean it wasn't still James's responsibility to be a professional himself.
Having said that, it is hard to believe the Steelers couldn't have found something for James to do all season.
Stay in my lane know my place right got it nowKC wrote:He got there before Van Noy though and both made sure that Blake Bortles was going down AND separated his ass from the ball (psst....that's a James Harrison specialty)!
You may not appreciate what he's doing right now but Pats fans (and most certainly, Bill Belichick) sure are!!
W&M_Steeler wrote:randomsteelerfan wrote: Tomlin’s a fool and Bud Dupree sucks. The Steelers should have played him more. The Steelers should have found a spot in their scheme for him. Those are mighty truths. They’re also completely irrelevant.
None of that changes the narrative that JH turned himself into a bitchy, whiny, disrespectful, tampon wearing douchebag of a teammate at the end of an amazing career. Then, he signed with the goddamn Patriots. The fucking Patriots.
Fuck JH. I could give 2 shits what he did yesterday, will do in two weeks or next season. Fuck him.
What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him? Then, once cut, was he supposed to turn down an offer from a team that believed he had something to offer them? It sucks that it was the Patriots who made the offer, but the timing of the cut had much to do with it.
Besides, the most damning of the accusations about Harrison (i.e. not visiting Shazier) proved to be a Dupree fabrication. The complaints about him supposedly not helping develop his teammates are a convenient excuse for the coaches to disclaim their failures and shortcomings in developing them.
Harrison bares some of the blame for all of this, but, from everything I've read on the matter, the coaching staff bears the biggest share of the blame. I don't want the Patriots to win in two weeks but, if they do, I hope James wins the Super Bowl MVP. He's a Steeler legend, and the way he was handled this year reflects poorly on the organization.
randomsteelerfan wrote:W&M_Steeler wrote: What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him? Then, once cut, was he supposed to turn down an offer from a team that believed he had something to offer them? It sucks that it was the Patriots who made the offer, but the timing of the cut had much to do with it.
Besides, the most damning of the accusations about Harrison (i.e. not visiting Shazier) proved to be a Dupree fabrication. The complaints about him supposedly not helping develop his teammates are a convenient excuse for the coaches to disclaim their failures and shortcomings in developing them.
Harrison bares some of the blame for all of this, but, from everything I've read on the matter, the coaching staff bears the biggest share of the blame. I don't want the Patriots to win in two weeks but, if they do, I hope James wins the Super Bowl MVP. He's a Steeler legend, and the way he was handled this year reflects poorly on the organization.
One question. Would you advise your son to act how he did? Would you be proud if your son acted the James did? I wouldn’t.
Stinger8 wrote:W&M_Steeler wrote:
What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him? Then, once cut, was he supposed to turn down an offer from a team that believed he had something to offer them? It sucks that it was the Patriots who made the offer, but the timing of the cut had much to do with it.
Besides, the most damning of the accusations about Harrison (i.e. not visiting Shazier) proved to be a Dupree fabrication. The complaints about him supposedly not helping develop his teammates are a convenient excuse for the coaches to disclaim their failures and shortcomings in developing them.
Harrison bares some of the blame for all of this, but, from everything I've read on the matter, the coaching staff bears the biggest share of the blame. I don't want the Patriots to win in two weeks but, if they do, I hope James wins the Super Bowl MVP. He's a Steeler legend, and the way he was handled this year reflects poorly on the organization.
W&M very well said. You get IT. The gist of the issue, you dont treat a legendary, HOFer like shit. You dont lie to him, tell him he's getting snaps then decide Arthur Moats, Bud "THE DUD" etc warrant snaps over him. They said he was done, inconsequential, ineffective, he said ummm no, I can still contribute and if you dont want my contribution I will find someone who does. See ya. I actually think he feels bad taking cheque's this year cause he did not earn them. Remember this is the guy who made his two sons return participation trophy's cause you dont get a trophy for participating, you get a trophy for WINNING.
You will never convince me that we would not have beat the Jags with him playing 15 snaps that game. We were literally 1 maybe 2 big plays from winning that game, he would have delivered 1 maybe 2, thats what big time players do; game set match.
The decision to cut Jimmy very well may be the catalyst for the Pats to take us off solely being on the top rung in Super Bowl wins
W&M_Steeler wrote:randomsteelerfan wrote:W&M_Steeler wrote: What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him? Then, once cut, was he supposed to turn down an offer from a team that believed he had something to offer them? It sucks that it was the Patriots who made the offer, but the timing of the cut had much to do with it.
Besides, the most damning of the accusations about Harrison (i.e. not visiting Shazier) proved to be a Dupree fabrication. The complaints about him supposedly not helping develop his teammates are a convenient excuse for the coaches to disclaim their failures and shortcomings in developing them.
Harrison bares some of the blame for all of this, but, from everything I've read on the matter, the coaching staff bears the biggest share of the blame. I don't want the Patriots to win in two weeks but, if they do, I hope James wins the Super Bowl MVP. He's a Steeler legend, and the way he was handled this year reflects poorly on the organization.
One question. Would you advise your son to act how he did? Would you be proud if your son acted the James did? I wouldn’t.
Depends on the situation. If I believed that my son had been repeatedly lied to and mislead by his employer, or if I believed that my son's employer was making unreasonable decisions that hurt my son's career, then I would support him sticking up for himself and fighting back. I want my sons to be honorable, but I don't want them to be doormats or yes men.
"It’s not like anything is taken for granted. Every day is fundamentals. It’s repetitive…repetitive. It’s like being in the Army. You do it so much it’s like second nature and you can do it in your sleep.”
Stallworth16 wrote:Deebo says Pats are like the Army:"It’s not like anything is taken for granted. Every day is fundamentals. It’s repetitive…repetitive. It’s like being in the Army. You do it so much it’s like second nature and you can do it in your sleep.”
I hate the Pats. But that's how their coach gets average players to play above their heads.
https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-st ... -114067375
Stinger8 wrote:Poltargyst wrote:W&M_Steeler wrote:
What was Harrison supposed to do? Sit there quietly on the bench, happily rotting away while inferior players played ahead of him?
Yes. Because that's what his employer who has made him a wealthy man was asking him to do. He needed to do all that was asked of him in a professional way, and if that's attend meetings and pay attention and mentor young players even if he wasn't seeing the field, then as an employee he needed to do that. Then, in an appropriate manner, seek employment elsewhere if he wasn't happy with the Steelers.
Note that I have been on the fence on this all along. I just don't understand the defending of non-professional behavior on Harrison's part. Did Tomlin bungle this? Maybe. Doesn't mean it wasn't still James's responsibility to be a professional himself.
Having said that, it is hard to believe the Steelers couldn't have found something for James to do all season.
Oh I get it now, you should do as your told, right got it. You told me I was getting so many snaps then you reneged/lied to me, held me back but you pay me masah so I should do as I'm told
6. The Patriots got James Harrison for next to nothing, and the signing is proving to have championship implications. Harrison had his way with Jaguars rookie right tackle Cam Robinson throughout the second half of Sunday’s game. He consistently made Robinson pay for quick punches after the snap by getting to Robinson’s outside shoulder and then beating him around the edge. What set the Pats’ second-half defensive performance apart from their lackluster early showing was the ability to generate pressure. Harrison paired with Trey Flowers—who is coming on during these playoffs—to give the New England pass rush some teeth.
KC wrote:Jackie Chiles wrote:COR-TEN wrote:they think his sack is what was the turning point of the game. I dispute that. It wasn't. And there is nothing. No facts, zip, zilch, nada, that can prove otherwise.
The turning point was when the Patriots made it 20-17 after that the Jags were done.
Except when they were driving in Patriots territory right after.
But James Harrison put a stop to that and you don't like it.
Enjoy!
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/21/16917194/james-harrison-patriots-defense-afc-championship
With the Jacksonville Jaguars driving down 24-20 and less than two minutes left, Harrison made his presence felt. On a second-and-10 play at the Patriots’ 38, Harrison drilled Blake Bortles with a sack and fumble that essentially killed the Jaguars’ comeback attempt.
Havoc wrote:That cannot happen.
Harrison proved he had something left in the tank. Our defense tanked vs JAX
Pats will tie us with 6 Lombardi's if they beat the Eagles.
All a sports nightmare really.
Stosh-67 wrote:Stallworth16 wrote:Deebo says Pats are like the Army:"It’s not like anything is taken for granted. Every day is fundamentals. It’s repetitive…repetitive. It’s like being in the Army. You do it so much it’s like second nature and you can do it in your sleep.”
I hate the Pats. But that's how their coach gets average players to play above their heads.
https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh-st ... -114067375
McCourty on NY talk show today that they talk about situational football all the time.
Said it a second time five minutes later.
W&M_Steeler wrote:https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2018/1/22/16918844/championship-sunday-recap-eagles-patriots-super-bowl6. The Patriots got James Harrison for next to nothing, and the signing is proving to have championship implications. Harrison had his way with Jaguars rookie right tackle Cam Robinson throughout the second half of Sunday’s game. He consistently made Robinson pay for quick punches after the snap by getting to Robinson’s outside shoulder and then beating him around the edge. What set the Pats’ second-half defensive performance apart from their lackluster early showing was the ability to generate pressure. Harrison paired with Trey Flowers—who is coming on during these playoffs—to give the New England pass rush some teeth.
BethlehemSteel wrote:Let’s add more reality
Harrison checked out. He wasn’t going to help us anymore even if he dressed
Tomlin would have him on sideline watching
Mistake on both for action / reactions
Tomlin should have gotten smart and suspended him allowing us to not have to cut him
W&M_Steeler wrote:https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2018/1/22/16918844/championship-sunday-recap-eagles-patriots-super-bowl6. The Patriots got James Harrison for next to nothing, and the signing is proving to have championship implications. Harrison had his way with Jaguars rookie right tackle Cam Robinson throughout the second half of Sunday’s game. He consistently made Robinson pay for quick punches after the snap by getting to Robinson’s outside shoulder and then beating him around the edge. What set the Pats’ second-half defensive performance apart from their lackluster early showing was the ability to generate pressure. Harrison paired with Trey Flowers—who is coming on during these playoffs—to give the New England pass rush some teeth.
Jeemie wrote:Havoc wrote:That cannot happen.
Harrison proved he had something left in the tank. Our defense tanked vs JAX
Pats will tie us with 6 Lombardi's if they beat the Eagles.
All a sports nightmare really.
The last part isn't a sports nightmare.
Someone was going to tie or pass our record eventually.
Records are made to be broken.
Well, except maybe Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak...the one true statistical anomaly in sports records.
Havoc wrote:Jeemie wrote:Havoc wrote:That cannot happen.
Harrison proved he had something left in the tank. Our defense tanked vs JAX
Pats will tie us with 6 Lombardi's if they beat the Eagles.
All a sports nightmare really.
The last part isn't a sports nightmare.
Someone was going to tie or pass our record eventually.
Records are made to be broken.
Well, except maybe Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak...the one true statistical anomaly in sports records.
The sports nightmare is not that the Pats can tie us (not in and of itself anyway), it's that James Harrison legendary Steeler was on our roster this season, and he could have helped us vs JAX but instead he is helping the Pats.
It's the combination of all of it.
Havoc wrote:It's enough to know that he DID help the Pats... and that cannot happen.
W&M_Steeler wrote:Havoc wrote:It's enough to know that he DID help the Pats... and that cannot happen.
Tomlin and Co. need to catch a significant amount of heat for how they handled Harrison this year. Many of us were screaming our heads off when they cut Harrison and the Patriots signed him (hence the 118+ page monster thread), and it looks like those of us who questioned the decision have been proven correct.
For those of you who live in Pittsburgh, what if anything is the prevailing attitude regarding the decision to cut Harrison. I saw this article in the Trib yesterday: http://triblive.com/sports/columnists/k ... rrison-and
I expect that if Harrison has a good Super Bowl, the decision to cut Harrison will be second guessed even more than it already is.
