Bell facing 4 game suspension for missing drug test

[Donnie Brasco]

Over/under on objects broken in art 2s office when he got this news?

Sounds like we need a new Hitler video

[Legacy User]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHZmVHSP7A[/youtube]

[randomsteelerfan]

Actually, I do blame Tomlin and the organization for some of this. Dallas has a team employee LIVING with Randy Gregory and they still can't stop his shit. Nothing more they could have done.

We, on the other hand, stood by and said nothing while our All-Pro back (subject to enhanced random testing) decides to start hanging out with Snoop during the offseason. WTF do they think Snoop and his posse do....drink chamomile tea all day?

It's bad leadership. Now...maybe Tomlin and Co told Le'veon to not do that shit this offseason and he said "FU"....if that is the case, I stand corrected and he doesn't deserve a new contract. But, if they stood by twiddling their thumbs like I think they did....then shame on them.

I know some of you will say it doesn't matter...Le'veon would have lit up at home regardless. That might be true...but just because your friend might try to overdose on pills in private, doesn't mean you shouldn't stop them from jumping off the bridge when you see it.

This situation is dumb as hell....and you now wonder if this team has the DISCIPLINE to make the sacrifices needed to win a Superbowl.

I just don't get this perspective. Blame lies directly with the player. No one else. Not his parents, not his friends, not his coaches, not the organization.

The Steelers and the NFL give plenty of fucking guidance, education and advice. He's in the drug protocol. He knows what it is about. Nothing more is going to deter him if this doesn't.

If any of you think he skipped multiple tests for any reason other than he knew he would piss hot, you're diluting yourselves.

[Legacy User]

Actually, I do blame Tomlin and the organization for some of this. Dallas has a team employee LIVING with Randy Gregory and they still can't stop his shit. Nothing more they could have done.

We, on the other hand, stood by and said nothing while our All-Pro back (subject to enhanced random testing) decides to start hanging out with Snoop during the offseason. WTF do they think Snoop and his posse do....drink chamomile tea all day?

It's bad leadership. Now...maybe Tomlin and Co told Le'veon to not do that shit this offseason and he said "FU"....if that is the case, I stand corrected and he doesn't deserve a new contract. But, if they stood by twiddling their thumbs like I think they did....then shame on them.

I know some of you will say it doesn't matter...Le'veon would have lit up at home regardless. That might be true...but just because your friend might try to overdose on pills in private, doesn't mean you shouldn't stop them from jumping off the bridge when you see it.

This situation is dumb as hell....and you now wonder if this team has the DISCIPLINE to make the sacrifices needed to win a Superbowl.

I just don't get this perspective. Blame lies directly with the player. No one else. Not his parents, not his friends, not his coaches, not the organization.

The Steelers and the NFL give plenty of fucking guidance, education and advice. He's in the drug protocol. He knows what it is about. Nothing more is going to deter him if this doesn't.

If any of you think he skipped multiple tests for any reason other than he knew he would piss hot, you're diluting yourselves.

Dennis Green, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher. Were they perfect, no, but this consistent pattern of player problems (Ben, Holmes, Blount, Bell, and Bryant have went a long way toward tarnishing the Steeler brand) would not, and did not happen to them. Tomlin of course will say exactly what you just said. And that's one of THREE very specific reasons why he fails as a NFL head coach.

[randomsteelerfan]

Actually, I do blame Tomlin and the organization for some of this. Dallas has a team employee LIVING with Randy Gregory and they still can't stop his shit. Nothing more they could have done.

We, on the other hand, stood by and said nothing while our All-Pro back (subject to enhanced random testing) decides to start hanging out with Snoop during the offseason. WTF do they think Snoop and his posse do....drink chamomile tea all day?

It's bad leadership. Now...maybe Tomlin and Co told Le'veon to not do that shit this offseason and he said "FU"....if that is the case, I stand corrected and he doesn't deserve a new contract. But, if they stood by twiddling their thumbs like I think they did....then shame on them.

I know some of you will say it doesn't matter...Le'veon would have lit up at home regardless. That might be true...but just because your friend might try to overdose on pills in private, doesn't mean you shouldn't stop them from jumping off the bridge when you see it.

This situation is dumb as hell....and you now wonder if this team has the DISCIPLINE to make the sacrifices needed to win a Superbowl.

I just don't get this perspective. Blame lies directly with the player. No one else. Not his parents, not his friends, not his coaches, not the organization.

The Steelers and the NFL give plenty of fucking guidance, education and advice. He's in the drug protocol. He knows what it is about. Nothing more is going to deter him if this doesn't.

If any of you think he skipped multiple tests for any reason other than he knew he would piss hot, you're diluting yourselves.

Dennis Green, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher. Were they perfect, no, but this consistent pattern of player problems (Ben, Holmes, Blount, Bell, and Bryant have went a long way toward tarnishing the Steeler brand) would not, and did not happen to them. Tomlin of course will say exactly what you just said. And that's one of THREE very specific reasons why he fails as a NFL head coach.

Sorry, but what you just wrote is stupid. Associating any of these issues to Tomlin is retarded scapegoating. Just like claiming Denny, Tony and Bill didn't have problem children under their care.

Just to continue in how perception and agenda driven your argument is:

Tomlin has 16 arrest records from 2007 to 2015
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Tony Dungy had 14 player arrest records during his tenure in Indy from 2002 to 2008.
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Green had 14 records in 3 years w/ Viking from 2004 to 2006
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Using facts instead of making up shit might be a better option when citing your reasons for firing someone.

[rooneytunes]

Didn't this happen under Cowher?

[Legacy User]

I just don't get this perspective. Blame lies directly with the player. No one else. Not his parents, not his friends, not his coaches, not the organization.

The Steelers and the NFL give plenty of fucking guidance, education and advice. He's in the drug protocol. He knows what it is about. Nothing more is going to deter him if this doesn't.

If any of you think he skipped multiple tests for any reason other than he knew he would piss hot, you're diluting yourselves.[/quote]


Dennis Green, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher. Were they perfect, no, but this consistent pattern of player problems (Ben, Holmes, Blount, Bell, and Bryant have went a long way toward tarnishing the Steeler brand) would not, and did not happen to them. Tomlin of course will say exactly what you just said. And that's one of THREE very specific reasons why he fails as a NFL head coach.[/quote]

Sorry, but what you just wrote is stupid. Associating any of these issues to Tomlin is retarded scapegoating. Just like claiming Denny, Tony and Bill didn't have problem children under their care.

Just to continue in how perception and agenda driven your argument is:

Tomlin has 16 arrest records from 2007 to 2015
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Tony Dungy had 14 player arrest records during his tenure in Indy from 2002 to 2008.
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Green had 14 records in 3 years w/ Viking from 2004 to 2006
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Using facts instead of making up shit might be a better option when citing your reasons for firing someone.[/quote]

Stupid huh?

A. I'm not interested in arrests, I'm interested in suspensions.
B. Too lazy to look up arrests/suspensions under Cowher?

This pattern is born from a coach that is not connected to his players as much as his well-oiled line of bullshit talk would have you believe. They simply don't respect his authority as much as the coaches I've named. The Steeler brand was never this sullied under the Chin. I really wish he was still our head coach. I firmly believe that we have Holmes for the Packers and that Ben would never have been suspended in 2010. Thus we're sitting here today as 7 time champs, and maybe 8 or nine time champs.

Sorry.

[Legacy User]

Didn't this happen under Cowher?

That would be a big fat NO!!!

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/041400 ... 5j7jqJmqK8


Bam Morris arrested
Former Chief, two others charged with marijuana conspiracy
Published: Friday, April 14, 2000

KANSAS CITY, Mo. {AP} Former Kansas City Chiefs' running back Bam Morris has been charged with conspiracy to distribute marijuana, the FBI said today.

Cowher never was head coach of the Chiefs.

[randomsteelerfan]

Dennis Green, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher. Were they perfect, no, but this consistent pattern of player problems (Ben, Holmes, Blount, Bell, and Bryant have went a long way toward tarnishing the Steeler brand) would not, and did not happen to them. Tomlin of course will say exactly what you just said. And that's one of THREE very specific reasons why he fails as a NFL head coach.

Sorry, but what you just wrote is stupid. Associating any of these issues to Tomlin is retarded scapegoating. Just like claiming Denny, Tony and Bill didn't have problem children under their care.

Just to continue in how perception and agenda driven your argument is:

Tomlin has 16 arrest records from 2007 to 2015
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Tony Dungy had 14 player arrest records during his tenure in Indy from 2002 to 2008.
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Green had 14 records in 3 years w/ Viking from 2004 to 2006
http://nfl-arrests.pointafter.com/

Using facts instead of making up shit might be a better option when citing your reasons for firing someone.

Stupid huh?

A. I'm not interested in arrests, I'm interested in suspensions.
B. Too lazy to look up arrests/suspensions under Cowher?

This pattern is born from a coach that is not connected to his players as much as his well-oiled line of bullshit talk would have you believe. They simply don't respect his authority as much as the coaches I've named. The Steeler brand was never this sullied under the Chin. I really wish he was still our head coach. I firmly believe that we have Holmes for the Packers and that Ben would never have been suspended in 2010. Thus we're sitting here today as 7 time champs, and maybe 8 or nine time champs.

Sorry.

Well, to begin with, you pointed to "consistent pattern of player problems.", not suspensions. Either way, that's been established as bullshit, see above. Tomlin's regime isn't any better or worse than the others.

Next, "They simply don't respect his authority as much as the coaches I've named." Again, complete bullshit. See above. Dungy and Green have equal or considerably more player incidents than Tomlin.

Now, if you want to talk specifically about player suspensions, yes, there are more under Tomlin vs Cowher. However, cross Ben off. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that had nothing to do with Tomlin.

So, you have Santonio and Bell. Blount doesn't count because he has been a documented jackass since his days at Oregon. I'll drop Santonio as well because he was choking his girlfriends before Tomlin arrived. Do you blame Cowher for spousal abuse or no, because he wasn't suspended? So, that leaves us with Bell, who appears to be an extremely talented fool.

Furthermore, and possibly most important, the collective bargaining agreement was extremely different during Cowher's, Dungy's and Green's days. So, to blame Tomlin for more suspensions under a much, much harsher personal conduct policy than the other coaches is cherry picking retardedness.

I loved Cowher. I don't blame you for wishing he was still our coach. But, your arguments scream of agenda and wishful thinking.

[FC]

NFL conduct policy did not go into effect until April of 2007.

[steelclan]

Didn't this happen under Cowher?

Yep and so did Green a TE that had the potential to be game changing TE for years to come.

[Kodiak]

Yeah, but I never heard of any players who thought it was no big deal to show up stoned for the team flight.

[Legacy User]

Didn't this happen under Cowher?

Yep and so did Green a TE that had the potential to be game changing TE for years to come.

I think you need to check my response.

I'd take the entire talent package of a Heath Miller over a Eric Green seven days a week.

[steelclan]

Didn't this happen under Cowher?

Yep and so did Green a TE that had the potential to be game changing TE for years to come.

I think you need to check my response.

I'd take the entire talent package of a Heath Miller over a Eric Green seven days a week.

You would? Eric Green had Gronk type abilities. He was that good. I recall a game against the Seahawks on the road where the entire Seattle D couldn't stop him. I love Heath but he never had that level of talent, better football player, better consistency and better head on his shoulders? Yes but better talent no damn way. Had Green played in passing offense he would have lit it up. He was an absolute freak.

[jebrick]

I'd take the entire talent package of a Heath Miller over a Eric Green seven days a week.

You would? Eric Green had Gronk type abilities. He was that good. I recall a game against the Seahawks on the road where the entire Seattle D couldn't stop him. I love Heath but he never had that level of talent, better football player, better consistency and better head on his shoulders? Yes but better talent no damn way. Had Green played in passing offense he would have lit it up. He was an absolute freak.

i totally agree with Steelclan. Eric Green was a freak. I remember seeing him on warm-ups in his rookie year before a game and was just stunned at his size for a TE.

[rooneytunes]

Didn't this happen under Cowher?

That would be a big fat NO!!!

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/041400 ... 5j7jqJmqK8


Bam Morris arrested
Former Chief, two others charged with marijuana conspiracy
Published: Friday, April 14, 2000

KANSAS CITY, Mo. {AP} Former Kansas City Chiefs' running back Bam Morris has been charged with conspiracy to distribute marijuana, the FBI said today.

Cowher never was head coach of the Chiefs.

So Ron Erhardt was the coach in SBXXX. It was him that pulled the trigger on the onside kick?



BAM MORRIS ARRESTED IN DRUG POSSESSION CASE
AP , Associated Press
Mar. 22, 1996 1:59 PM ET
ROCKWALL, TEXAS ROCKWALL, Texas (AP) _ Pittsburgh Steelers running back Byron ``Bam'' Morris was in the Rockwall County Jail today after his arrest for possession of between 5 pounds and 50 pounds of marijuana, police said.
Police stopped Morris about 10:30 a.m. for a traffic violation on Interstate 30 east of Dallas, said John Davila, assistant commander of the Northeast Area Drug Interdiction Task Force.
After obtaining Morris' permission to search the vehicle, the officer found the marijuana in the trunk, Davila said.
Morris led all rushers in the Steelers' 27-17 loss to Dallas in this year's Super Bowl with 73 yards. He had 548 yards and a 3.8 yard average during the regular season.
He was to be arraigned later today or Saturday morning, Davila said.
Morris is a native of Cooper in northeast Texas. He won the Doak Walker Award as the nation's top running back as a junior at Texas Tech University in Lubbock.

[swissvale72]

Eric Green was good, but Gronk type abilities?? Sorry Clan....can't agree with that assessment.

[Legacy User]

Didn't this happen under Cowher?

That would be a big fat NO!!!

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/041400 ... 5j7jqJmqK8


Bam Morris arrested
Former Chief, two others charged with marijuana conspiracy
Published: Friday, April 14, 2000

KANSAS CITY, Mo. {AP} Former Kansas City Chiefs' running back Bam Morris has been charged with conspiracy to distribute marijuana, the FBI said today.

Cowher never was head coach of the Chiefs.

So Ron Erhardt was the coach in SBXXX. It was him that pulled the trigger on the onside kick?



BAM MORRIS ARRESTED IN DRUG POSSESSION CASE
AP , Associated Press
Mar. 22, 1996 1:59 PM ET
ROCKWALL, TEXAS ROCKWALL, Texas (AP) _ Pittsburgh Steelers running back Byron ``Bam'' Morris was in the Rockwall County Jail today after his arrest for possession of between 5 pounds and 50 pounds of marijuana, police said.
Police stopped Morris about 10:30 a.m. for a traffic violation on Interstate 30 east of Dallas, said John Davila, assistant commander of the Northeast Area Drug Interdiction Task Force.
After obtaining Morris' permission to search the vehicle, the officer found the marijuana in the trunk, Davila said.
Morris led all rushers in the Steelers' 27-17 loss to Dallas in this year's Super Bowl with 73 yards. He had 548 yards and a 3.8 yard average during the regular season.
He was to be arraigned later today or Saturday morning, Davila said.
Morris is a native of Cooper in northeast Texas. He won the Doak Walker Award as the nation's top running back as a junior at Texas Tech University in Lubbock.

Good catch. You got me there.

[steelclan]

Swiss yes he did. Think of the era he played in, the offense he played in and his raw ability. If Green stayed clean and played in an offense with him as the focus he would have been a superstar. I saw him play. He had freakish speed for someone his size. He was excellent contesting catches and providing a massive target to throw to.Think about the era Gronk plays in were 2 yard TD passes to TEs are common. In Green's era that rarely if ever happened. Running seam routes, crossing routes, deep curls and even slants all part of a modern pass catching TE in Green's era very, very few teams utilized their TEs that way. Green had all the tools, a combination of the team he played on and his piss poor off the field habits stopped him from being the player he could've been. He is the one player that has always been my what if...as far as PS is concerned.

Gronk plays in a pass friendly offense with a QB that may go down as the GOAT. I bet you good money had Gronk played in the 90s on a Bill Cowher team he wouldn't have come near to his ceiling as a player. So yes comparing their skill set is valid. Whether Green would have come anywhere near Gronk's success is a different matter. Ive seen plenty of players with skillsets that compare to the best in the game the difference maker is more often than not what is between the ears rather than how fast, big or agile they are. Athleticism and speed weren't Green's problems. His head most assuredly was.

[FC]

A healthy young Eric Green...Was as good as Gronk as a receiver. The added dimension

Eric Green was better in the run game than any current NFL offensive tackle.

So yeah drug free...I would take Eric Green over Gronk...Or Shannon Sharpe or Mark Bavaro or Tony Gonzales

6-6 285 pound tight ends who run sub 4.7 are rare

[swissvale72]

A healthy young Eric Green...Was as good as Gronk as a receiver. The added dimension

Eric Green was better in the run game than any current NFL offensive tackle.

So yeah drug free...I would take Eric Green over Gronk...Or Shannon Sharpe or Mark Bavaro or Tony Gonzales

6-6 285 pound tight ends who run sub 4.7 are rare

Results don't support the argument, I'm afraid....and I REALLY like Eric Green. Your Woddy High compadre's accomplishments far exceed the ex-Steeler.

[Stallworth16]

If there is a Silver Lining in the Le'Veon Bell situation, it's this.

In 2014, Le'Veon Bell was arguably the best player in the league at any position. He was that good. His value was through the roof. Now he has to prove himself all over again after 2 knee injuries (fuck Burfict) and another pot suspension (or changed cell #).

Anyway Bell's value is way down. Maybe the Steelers can afford him, and maybe he can reach that level of play again (silver lining). We've seen his production when healthy. He's a hard worker. It's his knees that will determine his future success.

[Donnie Brasco]

A healthy young Eric Green...Was as good as Gronk as a receiver. The added dimension

Eric Green was better in the run game than any current NFL offensive tackle.

So yeah drug free...I would take Eric Green over Gronk...Or Shannon Sharpe or Mark Bavaro or Tony Gonzales

6-6 285 pound tight ends who run sub 4.7 are rare

Yup- there was NO ONE like him and I don't think there has been anyone like him since. He was like Christian Okeye where no one person could bring him down when he had the ball in his hands.

And I realize I'm biased since Eric Green was the reason I started wearing #86 in middle school

[JackLambert58]

A healthy young Eric Green...Was as good as Gronk as a receiver. The added dimension

Eric Green was better in the run game than any current NFL offensive tackle.

So yeah drug free...I would take Eric Green over Gronk...Or Shannon Sharpe or Mark Bavaro or Tony Gonzales

6-6 285 pound tight ends who run sub 4.7 are rare

Yup- there was NO ONE like him and I don't think there has been anyone like him since. He was like Christian Okeye where no one person could bring him down when he had the ball in his hands.

And I realize I'm biased since Eric Green was the reason I started wearing #86 in middle school

I would love to see how great a young Eric Green would have been with a Tom Brady or a Ben Roethlisberger throwing to him. Instead he had Bobby and O'D.

[jeemie]

If there is a Silver Lining in the Le'Veon Bell situation, it's this.

In 2014, Le'Veon Bell was arguably the best player in the league at any position. He was that good. His value was through the roof. Now he has to prove himself all over again after 2 knee injuries (fuck Burfict) and another pot suspension (or changed cell #).

Anyway Bell's value is way down. Maybe the Steelers can afford him, and maybe he can reach that level of play again (silver lining). We've seen his production when healthy. He's a hard worker. It's his knees that will determine his future success.

I'd have rather had his level of play for the complete seasons we have had him, including the post-season, in which he's never played...and maybe we could have gone deeper into those playoffs.

Now we have to hope he a) remains clean and b) his knee injuries haven't diminished his effectiveness.

Ben's time is running out. I'm getting tired of "hoping" every year.

[FC]

At the end of the day I get Swiss point about results and production

Eric Green was such a rare combo of size speed agility and nastiness

[Minkah'n History]

A healthy young Eric Green...Was as good as Gronk as a receiver. The added dimension

Eric Green was better in the run game than any current NFL offensive tackle.

So yeah drug free...I would take Eric Green over Gronk...Or Shannon Sharpe or Mark Bavaro or Tony Gonzales

6-6 285 pound tight ends who run sub 4.7 are rare

Yup- there was NO ONE like him and I don't think there has been anyone like him since. He was like Christian Okeye where no one person could bring him down when he had the ball in his hands.

And I realize I'm biased since Eric Green was the reason I started wearing #86 in middle school

I would love to see how great a young Eric Green would have been with a Tom Brady or a Ben Roethlisberger throwing to him. Instead he had Bobby and O'D.

I'd like to hear about Eric Green's work ethic. Anyone?

[jeemie]

Interesting spin in this link that maybe, just maybe, Bell's confidence is real.

Key points:

*Bell successfully completed his probation for the arrest two days AFTER he was suspended by the NFL. Part of the terms of the probation was "staying out of trouble". If he was missing mandated tests, would he have been ruled to have successfully completed his probation program? Yeah I know- there's the real justice system, and the NFL justice system...but perhaps Bell has leverage in this manner?

*Josh Gordon's reinstatement coming a full week before he was supposed to be allowed to re-apply for it after having been rejected in April. What's going on there?

I don't know what to make of it- but it's interesting.

[swissvale72]

At the end of the day I get Swiss point about results and production

Eric Green was such a rare combo of size speed agility and nastiness

I really, really liked Eric Green, FC...and he was the go-to guy when we had a dearth of wides, pending the emergence of Yancey Thigpen in '94. I remember thinking we had won the WC Playoff game at KC when O'D hit Green with a go-ahead TD with just a few minutes left, and Green's rumble down to the AZ five in '94, then Cowher blew it by calling timeout with a minute left, costing the Steelers a valuable down.

BUT....tough to make the comparison, IMO, to Gronk, when you look at the absolute incredible numbers Gronk has put up thus far, even while missing chunks due to injury...and Pats are such a diminished team without him. Funny thing about Gronk....his senior year Woddy High (only year he played there), I think he caught 8 balls all year....ground & pound of George Novak, right?

[steeledge]

...Ive seen plenty of players with skillsets that compare to the best in the game the difference maker is more often than not what is between the ears rather than how fast, big or agile they are...

Thanks for redirecting this thread back to being about Bell...