SUPERBOWL MEGA THREAD

[Havoc]

Niners dicked around at the beginning of the game, cost them.

Mahomes is clutch.

Seems like those 3 points really mattered

In the end it didn't which was predictable.

You need touchdowns to beat the chiefs.

And you need a playmaking qb.

Mahomes is not unbeatable. He's playing in by far the easiest era to play for a QB. Makes him look better than he is.

[zeke5123]

I think Kyle fucked up again. You knew on 3rd down the chiefs would bring pressure. Some kind of screen play would’ve been the perfect call.

[Steelperch]

It took them too many plays to get up and down the field all day. Lack of splash. A rifle armed beast gives you splash.

Running drives which is what that last drive became typically end in FGs.

Yeah, Kirk Cousins won about a dozen super bowls already. Josh Allen too. Funny Favre only won one and Marino won none. Were Tom Brady or Joe Montana “rifle armed beasts” or were they very smart, very accurate and efficient QBs?

Purdy played great. About as well as he could have. He's just limited in his skillset. He played within himself which is what he has to do.

It's really really hard to capture a Lombardi when it takes a lot of plays to get up and down the field all game.

Like Mahomes just did and Brady did 6 times.

[Deebo]

Yeah, Kirk Cousins won about a dozen super bowls already. Josh Allen too. Funny Favre only won one and Marino won none. Were Tom Brady or Joe Montana “rifle armed beasts” or were they very smart, very accurate and efficient QBs?

Purdy played great. About as well as he could have. He's just limited in his skillset. He played within himself which is what he has to do.

It's really really hard to capture a Lombardi when it takes a lot of plays to get up and down the field all game.

Like Mahomes just did and Brady did 6 times.

Brady's arm strength is underrated. During his middle years he very much improved his long ball; hell look at the Randy Moss time with the Pats. They could strike long range with the best of them.

And you are seeing 2 versions of the Chiefs. Before these past couple of years, they had Tyrek Hill and prime Kelce. Guys who could strike long range
These past 2 years the Chiefs take a much different ball control, move the chains approach with medium strikes.

That's what is scary about Brady and Mahomes: they can play multiple styles to beat you.

[.Kodiak]

In the end it didn't which was predictable.

Only because of the missed XP, or SF wins in regulation BECAUSE of those 3 points.

So, yeah, it did matter and could have been decisive.

[Pabst]

That's what is scary about Brady and Mahomes: they can play multiple styles to beat you.

KC did a nice job building out their defense this year.

Mahomes is clutch AF, but the Chiefs' O struggled mightily at times this past season. Here's the challenge for the Chiefs: over half of their Defensive starters are UFA, including their 2 best players.

[gojira5150]

What this game did prove though is that we aren't winning anything without a QB of high caliber...especially with the moron coach we have.

We may have to roll the dice in the 2nd or 3rd and just keep rolling the dice until we find one.

I keep saying the same thing. If Penix is there in the 2nd, go get him

[bradshaw2ben]

That's what is scary about Brady and Mahomes: they can play multiple styles to beat you.

KC did a nice job building out their defense this year.

Mahomes is clutch AF, but the Chiefs' O struggled mightily at times this past season. Here's the challenge for the Chiefs: over half of their Defensive starters are UFA, including their 2 best players.

I think they'll sign Chris Jones at whatever $ amount it takes. They'll probably let Sneed walk, just because they have McDuffie and Jones is harder to replace.

They do have 9 picks in the draft, so I expect they'll be working on that rebuild.

[Thrillsseeker]

Purdy played great. About as well as he could have. He's just limited in his skillset. He played within himself which is what he has to do.

It's really really hard to capture a Lombardi when it takes a lot of plays to get up and down the field all game.

Like Mahomes just did and Brady did 6 times.

Brady's arm strength is underrated. During his middle years he very much improved his long ball; hell look at the Randy Moss time with the Pats. They could strike long range with the best of them.

And you are seeing 2 versions of the Chiefs. Before these past couple of years, they had Tyrek Hill and prime Kelce. Guys who could strike long range
These past 2 years the Chiefs take a much different ball control, move the chains approach with medium strikes.

That's what is scary about Brady and Mahomes: they can play multiple styles to beat you.

Wait. So…….they don't line up and “do what we do?”


They scheme? Their coaches adjust to strengths and weaknesses ?

What the

[Havoc]

Purdy played great. About as well as he could have. He's just limited in his skillset. He played within himself which is what he has to do.

It's really really hard to capture a Lombardi when it takes a lot of plays to get up and down the field all game.

Like Mahomes just did and Brady did 6 times.

Brady's arm strength is underrated. During his middle years he very much improved his long ball; hell look at the Randy Moss time with the Pats. They could strike long range with the best of them.

And you are seeing 2 versions of the Chiefs. Before these past couple of years, they had Tyrek Hill and prime Kelce. Guys who could strike long range
These past 2 years the Chiefs take a much different ball control, move the chains approach with medium strikes.

That's what is scary about Brady and Mahomes: they can play multiple styles to beat you.

And Brady's stature helped him.

We really shouldn't be having a discussion of the all time great QBs with Brock Purdy in the same conversation.

Purdy is limited in stature, limited in arm strength, limited in scrambling ability, limited in running ability.

Hate to break it to all the guys with the life sized Brock Purdy poster in their man cave ...

Purdy will probably never come as close to a ring as a starting QB as this game. He'll almost certainly retire without one.

When Mahomes isn't adding to his collection, it will probably be Burrow's time, Allen's time, or someone else of that ilk.

Mahomes passing + running = 399 yards
Purdy = 267

On the game winning drive...

3rd and 1 at San Fran 32, Mahomes with a 19 yd run to the 13. Ballgame. Playmaker.

[Deebo]

Feel like I haven't heard much people talk about the impact Greenlaw's injury had. Seemed like the Chiefs were hemmed in and Kelce was a zero factor. About 1 quarter later, Kelce starts shaking loose and then the rest of the offense kicks it into gear.

[Pabst]

I think they'll sign Chris Jones at whatever $ amount it takes. They'll probably let Sneed walk, just because they have McDuffie and Jones is harder to replace.

I don't view them as similar players at all. McDuffie played the majority of his snaps in the slot and blitzed a ton. You think he translates to a boundary corner?

[Pabst]

[Havoc]

2023 49ers offense reminds me of the 2005 Seahawks offense.

2005 Seahawks had the #1 scoring offense in the league.

Seahawks ran a smart precision wco led by wco guru Holmgren. Hasselbeck, a smart, limited in ability QB, ran it with precision, exactly the way Holmgren wanted.

Going into the SB, the Seahawks offense did not scare me because Hasselbeck did not scare me.

I was nervous heading into the 2008 SB after watching all the Cardinals PS games with Warner.

[KCSteeler]

That's what is scary about Brady and Mahomes: they can play multiple styles to beat you.

KC did a nice job building out their defense this year.

Mahomes is clutch AF, but the Chiefs' O struggled mightily at times this past season. Here's the challenge for the Chiefs: over half of their Defensive starters are UFA, including their 2 best players.

I think they'll sign Chris Jones at whatever $ amount it takes. They'll probably let Sneed walk, just because they have McDuffie and Jones is harder to replace.

They do have 9 picks in the draft, so I expect they'll be working on that rebuild.

I will respectfully disagree on this point, B2B. I think that ship has sailed, if it was going to happen, it would have by now. Jones wants too much money. Chefs will take that money and try to fill the voids they will undoubtedly have.

[Pabst]

KC did a nice job building out their defense this year.

Mahomes is clutch AF, but the Chiefs' O struggled mightily at times this past season. Here's the challenge for the Chiefs: over half of their Defensive starters are UFA, including their 2 best players.

I think they'll sign Chris Jones at whatever $ amount it takes. They'll probably let Sneed walk, just because they have McDuffie and Jones is harder to replace.

They do have 9 picks in the draft, so I expect they'll be working on that rebuild.

I will respectfully disagree on this point, B2B. I think that ship has sailed, if it was going to happen, it would have by now. Jones wants too much money. Chefs will take that money and try to fill the voids they will undoubtedly have.

Where I'm at as well. If they didn't extend him during his hold out, they're definitely not extending him now. Jones played well this season - His price has only gone up.

Aaron Donald got 3 years, $95 million (fully guaranteed) when he signed his extension in 2022 at age 31.

[Havoc]

In the end it didn't which was predictable.

Only because of the missed XP, or SF wins in regulation BECAUSE of those 3 points.

So, yeah, it did matter and could have been decisive.

Chiefs engineered that final drive in regulation knowing they only needed a FG to send it to OT. Different mindset if it was a must have TD situation for them.

4 point lead and it's TD or bust for the Chiefs and I don't like the 49ers chances in that scenario.

[bradshaw2ben]

I think they'll sign Chris Jones at whatever $ amount it takes. They'll probably let Sneed walk, just because they have McDuffie and Jones is harder to replace.

I don't view them as similar players at all. McDuffie played the majority of his snaps in the slot and blitzed a ton. You think he translates to a boundary corner?

No, I honestly think boundary CBs are a bit easier to find and less and less important in the NFL. Think about it: slot guys have to face a variety of sizes and types and have to deal with a receiver who can go left, right, vertical... and then there's the run game and blitzing aspect. The way offense is evolving for great offensive teams like SF, KC, MIA there is more and more pressure to defend plays in the middle of the field.

Now, it's also true that Sneed used to be their slot guy, so he is a special talent that can play inside and out. In a perfect world, I think I'd keep Jones, Sneed, & McDuffie for as long as possible, no matter what it cost me... but I'm not sure they can do that. Those three are amazing playmakers who deliver in crunch time like nobody's business.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

"What this game did prove though is that we aren't winning anything without a QB of high caliber...especially with the moron coach we have.

We may have to roll the dice in the 2nd or 3rd and just keep rolling the dice until we find one."

Except the Eagles did, the Broncos did (with old Manning) and the Ravens did twice (and failed with their 2x MVP QB).

The fact that QB is the most important position doesn't mean you can act desperately at the draft, which probably won't get you that, even if you trade up for Caleb Williams.

Stay based, fix the OL first.

[Pabst]

No, I honestly think boundary CBs are a bit easier to find and less and less important in the NFL. Think about it: slot guys have to face a variety of sizes and types and have to deal with a receiver who can go left, right, vertical... and then there's the run game and blitzing aspect. The way offense is evolving for great offensive teams like SF, KC, MIA there is more and more pressure to defend plays in the middle of the field.

Now, it's also true that Sneed used to be their slot guy, so he is a special talent that can play inside and out. In a perfect world, I think I'd keep Jones, Sneed, & McDuffie for as long as possible, no matter what it cost me... but I'm not sure they can do that. Those three are amazing playmakers who deliver in crunch time like nobody's business.

Generally agree, but here's where we differ - I think McDuffie's value lies in his versatility and ability to play the run & blitz. I really don't think he does well as a boundary corner. If you look at his numbers in pass coverage, he's really nothing special (borderline bad, tbh). The fact that he gives up a 95 QBR when targeted and has yet to record an INT in 2 seasons is a red flag.

McDuffie is more Mike Hilton than Cam Sutton (to me, anyway).


All that being said, I think that Jones & Sneed is going to be an either/or for Kansas City. Even if one wants to argue that they can sign both by kicking out salary cap, that creates a MASSIVE problem next year when they need to extend Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith plus several other key players on that Defense.

[bradshaw2ben]

No, I honestly think boundary CBs are a bit easier to find and less and less important in the NFL. Think about it: slot guys have to face a variety of sizes and types and have to deal with a receiver who can go left, right, vertical... and then there's the run game and blitzing aspect. The way offense is evolving for great offensive teams like SF, KC, MIA there is more and more pressure to defend plays in the middle of the field.

Now, it's also true that Sneed used to be their slot guy, so he is a special talent that can play inside and out. In a perfect world, I think I'd keep Jones, Sneed, & McDuffie for as long as possible, no matter what it cost me... but I'm not sure they can do that. Those three are amazing playmakers who deliver in crunch time like nobody's business.

Generally agree, but here's where we differ - I think McDuffie's value lies in his versatility and ability to play the run & blitz. I really don't think he does well as a boundary corner. If you look at his numbers in pass coverage, he's really nothing special (borderline bad, tbh). The fact that he gives up a 95 QBR when targeted and has yet to record an INT in 2 seasons is a red flag.

McDuffie is more Mike Hilton than Cam Sutton (to me, anyway).


All that being said, I think that Jones & Sneed is going to be an either/or for Kansas City. Even if one wants to argue that they can sign both by kicking out salary cap, that creates a MASSIVE problem next year when they need to extend Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith plus several other key players on that Defense.

Yeah, I'd keep Sneed over McDuffie but that's not the choice.

I do think they can find a solid boundary CB in the draft and I think they will have a hard time finding an impact big man like Jones. There just aren't enough of them to go around, and it gets even slimmer picking from 32.

[Pabst]

Yeah, I'd keep Sneed over McDuffie but that's not the choice.

I do think they can find a solid boundary CB in the draft and I think they will have a hard time finding an impact big man like Jones. There just aren't enough of them to go around, and it gets even slimmer picking from 32.

Gotcha.

Also, if I may:

They do have 9 picks in the draft, so I expect they'll be working on that rebuild.

^ This is incorrect. I think you mixed up the Chiefs and 9ers.
KC only has 5 total picks

[bradshaw2ben]

Yeah, I'd keep Sneed over McDuffie but that's not the choice.

I do think they can find a solid boundary CB in the draft and I think they will have a hard time finding an impact big man like Jones. There just aren't enough of them to go around, and it gets even slimmer picking from 32.

Gotcha.

Also, if I may:

They do have 9 picks in the draft, so I expect they'll be working on that rebuild.

^ This is incorrect. I think you mixed up the Chiefs and 9ers.
KC only has 5 total picks

PFN says KC has the following picks:
Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 4
Round 5 (from DAL)
Round 6
Round 7

They are also expected to get either two or more likely one 5th round comp picks (depends on if re-acquiring Mecole Hardman cancels out losing JuJu).

[Pabst]

PFN says KC has the following picks:
Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 4
Round 5 (from DAL)
Round 6
Round 7

They are also expected to get either two or more likely one 5th round comp picks (depends on if re-acquiring Mecole Hardman cancels out losing JuJu).

KC traded their 6th rounder to the Raiders for Neil Farrell, and their 7th rounder went to Houston (though that was a conditional 7th, so they may keep it?).

Over the Cap project KC gets an extra 5th.

In total, that's only 6 picks, possibly 7 if they keep their 7th rounder.

[Deebo]

Really nice write up by Barnwell

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/395 ... s-shanahan

[bradshaw2ben]

PFN says KC has the following picks:
Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 4
Round 5 (from DAL)
Round 6
Round 7

They are also expected to get either two or more likely one 5th round comp picks (depends on if re-acquiring Mecole Hardman cancels out losing JuJu).

KC traded their 6th rounder to the Raiders for Neil Farrell, and their 7th rounder went to Houston (though that was a conditional 7th, so they may keep it?).

Over the Cap project KC gets an extra 5th.

In total, that's only 6 picks, possibly 7 if they keep their 7th rounder.

Yeah I guess the Farrell trade pick hasn't been clarified, which makes me wonder if if it's even for 2024. Pretty much every other trade from last year that wasn't conditional is posted but that one isn't. There was some buzz immediately after the trade about uncertainty if the pick was for 2024. I'll guess we'll see, although it sounds like you're right. I did hear that the 7th was conditional and the Chiefs are expected to keep it.

[Pabst]

Yeah I guess the Farrell trade pick hasn't been clarified, which makes me wonder if if it's even for 2024. Pretty much every other trade from last year that wasn't conditional is posted but that one isn't. There was some buzz immediately after the trade about uncertainty if the pick was for 2024. I'll guess we'll see, although it sounds like you're right. I did hear that the 7th was conditional and the Chiefs are expected to keep it.

I was looking at picks on a different site so who knows.

Point being, they aren't replacing all those UFAs in the draft.

[bradshaw2ben]

Yeah I guess the Farrell trade pick hasn't been clarified, which makes me wonder if if it's even for 2024. Pretty much every other trade from last year that wasn't conditional is posted but that one isn't. There was some buzz immediately after the trade about uncertainty if the pick was for 2024. I'll guess we'll see, although it sounds like you're right. I did hear that the 7th was conditional and the Chiefs are expected to keep it.

I was looking at picks on a different site so who knows.

Point being, they aren't replacing all those UFAs in the draft.

Of course not, but they did draft some pretty good players last couple of years.