Moving on, aka "fuck that game"

[955876]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

[Legacy User]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

Crickets

[Legacy User]

43

Dummy?

At least I'm not an ignorant douchebag

[Kodiak]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

[Kodiak]

43

Dummy?

At least I'm not an ignorant douchebag

[FortyThree]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

If that player came out and admitted he was wrong like AV did yes.

[FortyThree]

43

Dummy?

At least I'm not an ignorant douchebag

Oh but you are ignorant to the fact that AV admitted he screwed up.

[Legacy User]

I glad the Steelers stayed in the locker room. And I'm glad Villy did what he needed to. I would have been shocked if he didn't. This is America. People are allowed to express themselves.

The thought that this had an iota to do with the egg the team laid on the field is silly.

The Bears were better conditioned and won the long struggle. The Steelers were sloppy and made too many mistakes, and didn't take the opponent seriously enough.

Trap game. Tomlin's MO. Hardly shocking.

They'll probably spank the Rats next week.

[zeke5123]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

If that player came out and admitted he was wrong like AV did yes.

So a non-answer.

[Legacy User]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

If that player came out and admitted he was wrong like AV did yes.

So a non-answer.

That's not a non answer.

[FortyThree]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

If that player came out and admitted he was wrong like AV did yes.

So a non-answer.

Not a non-answer at all.

I would consider it wrong to go back on your word to your teammates regardless of whether I agree with you or not.

[alancac98]

Fucked up? You're fucked up.

Dude literally admitted he made a mistake.

Explain his jersey sales numbers over the past 24 hours

Yeah, and think about the team that would have came out and stood tall and proud with their hands on their hearts singing the national anthem. They would truly be America's team right now. Their ratings would be off the chart right now, but they all towed the NFL's weak ass line.

[jebrick]

Yeah, and think about the team that would have came out and stood tall and proud with their hands on their hearts singing the national anthem. They would truly be America's team right now. Their ratings would be off the chart right now, but they all towed the NFL's weak ass line.

Standing out at the Anthem is towing the DoD line since they are paying the NFl to trot out the meat to be wrapped in the flag.

[Quixotic]

If you have to pay people, shame people, or dictate by league rule, to get them to participate in a spontaneous patriotic gesture, then how spontaneous is it? How sincere is it? How patriotic is it?

It is so NFL to gin up faux patriotism in order to pander to its base.

I, personally, do not define patriotism as willingness to venerate a piece of multi-colored textile or a not-very-well-written song (dude, you have to be drunk or Lady Gaga to even hit that last high note). I define it as being willing to stand for the values that supposedly define us…one of which is freedom of expression.

Still, the league rules dictate what players must do during the anthem. If you don’t like the rules, either use collective bargaining to change them, or don’t play in the league.

As always, I am not saying. I am just saying.

[Donnie Brasco]

I glad the Steelers stayed in the locker room. And I'm glad Villy did what he needed to. I would have been shocked if he didn't. This is America. People are allowed to express themselves.

The thought that this had an iota to do with the egg the team laid on the field is silly.

The Bears were better conditioned and won the long struggle. The Steelers were sloppy and made too many mistakes, and didn't take the opponent seriously enough.

Trap game. Tomlin's MO. Hardly shocking.

They'll probably spank the Rats next week.

Technically they WEREN"T in the lockerroom- they were about 10 feet behind him

[FortyThree]

If you have to pay people, shame people, or dictate by league rule, to get them to participate in a spontaneous patriotic gesture, then how spontaneous is it? How sincere is it? How patriotic is it?

It is so NFL to gin up faux patriotism in order to pander to its base.

I, personally, do not define patriotism as willingness to venerate a piece of multi-colored textile or a not-very-well-written song (dude, you have to be drunk or Lady Gaga to even hit that last high note). I define it as being willing to stand for the values that supposedly define us…one of which is freedom of expression.

Still, the league rules dictate what players must do during the anthem. If you don’t like the rules, either use collective bargaining to change them, or don’t play in the league.

As always, I am not saying. I am just saying.

Great post.

[955876]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

If that player came out and admitted he was wrong like AV did yes.

He was "wrong" about walking too far. By mistake. He really didn't do anything.

Your comments about what he did have not been cohesive with how it really went down. In other words, you've come across as being hard in AV when he didn't do anything different from rest of team.

He went too far by mistake and got stuck. Felt bad for it happening as it caused controversy over some thing that wasn't as it appeared on TV.

[Kodiak]

If you really want to celebrate unity, the flag and what it represents....well then maybe the socially responsible thing is to spend those 3 minutes covering what just 1 of many athletes on the field is doing in their community with their own time and money.

Maybe that's really what the players should be demanding of the league. Because, frankly, taking a knee is like running around telling people water is wet. But if instead you showcase charitable causes, then maybe you trigger positive responses in people and excite them to get involved.

[FortyThree]

Question for those jumping on AV for breaking from what the team did, would your response be the same if the team chose to stand yet one player exercised his right to kneel?

If that player came out and admitted he was wrong like AV did yes.

He was "wrong" about walking too far. By mistake. He really didn't do anything.

Your comments about what he did have not been cohesive with how it really went down. In other words, you've come across as being hard in AV when he didn't do anything different from rest of team.

He went too far by mistake and got stuck. Felt bad for it happening as it caused controversy over some thing that wasn't as it appeared on TV.

How hard is it to know when to stop?

[955876]

Oh noes, he didn't stop in time.

He explained why. That wasn't enough for you.

Seems you have some sort of axe to grind over AV.

His, along with the other players explanation seemed to make sense. You single him out though as if he sought to be an individual out there.

Nobody has substansiated that.

[FortyThree]

I never once said he did it on purpose. I said he fucked up. Which he did.

[955876]

Seems you've been a bit too hard on him then if but an honest mistake?

Free to your opinion. I'm pretty done with national anthem garbage. Hopefully it'll die down.

This team has much bigger issues than AV walking too far out a tunnel.

[FortyThree]

This team has much bigger issues than AV walking too far out a tunnel.

Probably the truest sentence in this entire thread.

[Gonzo]

https://thinkprogress.org/nfl-dod-natio ... 82cebc7cd/


"Suckers walk, Money talks
But it can't touch my three lock box"

[fritzthecat]

This whole shitstorm should fall right on the shoulders of good ol' Rodger Goodall.
Paperneck should have been fined from day one for multiple infractions.
Now, Rodger's trying to protect the Shield and his arse.

[Quixotic]

If you have to pay people, shame people, or dictate by league rule, to get them to participate in a spontaneous patriotic gesture, then how spontaneous is it? How sincere is it? How patriotic is it?

It is so NFL to gin up faux patriotism in order to pander to its base.

I, personally, do not define patriotism as willingness to venerate a piece of multi-colored textile or a not-very-well-written song (dude, you have to be drunk or Lady Gaga to even hit that last high note). I define it as being willing to stand for the values that supposedly define us…one of which is freedom of expression.

Still, the league rules dictate what players must do during the anthem. If you don’t like the rules, either use collective bargaining to change them, or don’t play in the league.

As always, I am not saying. I am just saying.

Great post.

Thanks.

[Legacy User]

What a load of crap coming from this Steelers team. Unity... team unity...

my ass.

I don't believe one word of it. Unity is not being selfish and getting suspended for a year. Unity is not worrying about your paper and saying "this a business" as you hold out during training camp, Unity is not live streaming the locker room after a game.

These guys wanted to stay in the locker room because they didn't want to be the one who knelt while Villeneava stood. They were afraid, what would that do to their personal brand?... so they tried the locker room bullcrap because none of them had the guts to "exercise their first amendment right".

After all the nonsense this team deals with from players during the off season - Villy is the one who apologizes because he stepped out of a tunnel for people who are BY FAR more of his brother than any of these self centered assholes in that locker room ever could be.

I feel really bad for him, and I have total contempt for the selfish cowards in the locker room.

Screw this team.

[Gonzo]

I am mystified how this whole pot of shit was stirred by a man behind a tweet who has stated and done things far more unpatriotic then any one of these NFL rubes.

[bradshaw2ben]

I am mystified how this whole pot of shit was stirred by a man behind a tweet who has stated and done things far more unpatriotic then any one of these NFL rubes.

The flag/military/anthem is the dogwhistle 3rd rail in America. Even people who essentially agree with the root of the protest and who never agree with the tweeter in chief are outraged by this.

[Steelafan77]

What a load of crap coming from this Steelers team. Unity... team unity...

my ass.

I don't believe one word of it. Unity is not being selfish and getting suspended for a year. Unity is not worrying about your paper and saying "this a business" as you hold out during training camp, Unity is not live streaming the locker room after a game.

These guys wanted to stay in the locker room because they didn't want to be the one who knelt while Villeneava stood. They were afraid, what would that do to their personal brand?... so they tried the locker room bullcrap because none of them had the guts to "exercise their first amendment right".

After all the nonsense this team deals with from players during the off season - Villy is the one who apologizes because he stepped out of a tunnel for people who are BY FAR more of his brother than any of these self centered assholes in that locker room ever could be.

I feel really bad for him, and I have total contempt for the selfish cowards in the locker room.

Screw this team.

Post of the week. Outstanding, thank you jaybird.