Laying the Wood wrote:Ice wrote:This is a team that was probably the happiest it was in recent memory at QB when it had Ben, Lefty and Batch as their QB room.
That was a pretty solid QB room.
steelmann58 wrote:I think Dobbs will be on this roster but it would be nice to have a QB coach that just focus on the qb's
Ice wrote:I think that's a sane way to look at it, yggy, except, maybe for the whole "fast track" thing. Ben is completely in control of the speed of the track. I could see Rudolph easing his way into the backup job next season, perhaps. Not before, and there's really no reason for it anyway.
Ice wrote:In somewhat related news, Aaron Rogers has joined the "I want to play into my 40s" club, on the record.
Ice wrote:In somewhat related news, Aaron Rogers has joined the "I want to play into my 40s" club, on the record.
bradshaw2ben wrote:Ice wrote:In somewhat related news, Aaron Rogers has joined the "I want to play into my 40s" club, on the record.
good for him-- if he plays another 6 years, he might get another 6 4th quarter comebacks and win another 24 road games.
Scunge wrote:I agree B2B, Elway got very lucky at the end of his career to have Terrell Davis to lean on, or to be more accurate to be second fiddle to in the offense. Remember, Davis rushed for almost 1,800 yards the one year and had 2,008 yards rushing the next in addition to scoring 38 TDs, and another 11 TDs in those two Super Bowl runs.
But you want to know what Denver also had at that time? A damn good backup QB. When they repeated in 1998, they had Bubby Brister as their backup QB.
He played in 7 games that year, and had 4 starts, he was 78 of 131, 59.5% completion, for 986 yards, 10 TDs and 3 INTs, for a passer rating of 99.0. They went 4-0 with Bubby as the starter. Some of those wins came against division opponents, if Bubby doesn't perform like he did, do the Broncos still get the #1 seed? Instead of being 14-2, if Bubby had lost 2 or 3 of those starts maybe they lose the #1 seed to the Jets or Jax that year, who knows.
In other news, did anybody hear/see/read about Landry Jones talking about how he thinks he could pull off a Nick Foles, and lead the team to the Super Bowl if Ben went down??
In other news, did anybody hear/see/read about Landry Jones talking about how he thinks he could pull off a Nick Foles, and lead the team to the Super Bowl if Ben went down??
Scunge wrote:Normally, I would agree that Ben is slowing down, but last year he was way more nimble and quicker. Why do I say that? He started to run with the football again, and he was successful at it. No, nobody will confuse him with Russell Wilson but that 28 carries and 47 yards rushing was the most he has had since the 99 yards he had in 2013. Those 6 rushing first downs that he had were the most he has had since 2010. Ben was more willing to run for a first down, to tuck the ball and pick up that first down if it was there for the taking. Which makes it all the more crazy that at other times they would not let him run some QB sneaks to pick up a first down.
I also think that Ben's pain tolerance is so much better than the other top QBs in the league. Better than Rodgers, Romo, etc. We have seen Ben have his nose broken and not be phased by it. I remember a game where Romo would not play because he had some dislocated finger or some such, Ben would have laughed and still played the game. One of the criticisms I have of Rodgers is that I think if you rough him up that you can throw him off his game. Ben seems to actually play better if is he is hit more as opposed to playing in a clean pocket.
Personally, I am more worried that Ben is starting to enter that Brett Farve phase where the gambling/street ball ways begin to fall short and the INTs/fumbles become more and more problematic. You look at the Jax game, forget about the gaudy stats, look at those early turnovers, an INT at our 18 yard line? A fumble by Ben that is returned for a 50 yard TD? Physically, maybe Ben can play 5 more years, but if you are making mental mistakes and turning the ball over are you really a franchise QB? Before that Jax playoff game, Ben and the offense had averaged just 19 points a game over their last 6 playoff games. That 42 point effort in a loss to Jax puts them at an average of 22.5 for their last 7. Sorry but that still sucks.
More than anything else, I am hoping that Randy Fitchner can get Ben to play smarter, more within himself and just distribute the football to his playmakers. You don't need to go off script, make something happen, improvise as much, just distribute the football. Get it to the open man, don't force it to Brown or Bell, be smart, allow your playmakers to make your job easier Ben.
Scunge wrote:Normally, I would agree that Ben is slowing down, but last year he was way more nimble and quicker. Why do I say that? He started to run with the football again, and he was successful at it. No, nobody will confuse him with Russell Wilson but that 28 carries and 47 yards rushing was the most he has had since the 99 yards he had in 2013. Those 6 rushing first downs that he had were the most he has had since 2010. Ben was more willing to run for a first down, to tuck the ball and pick up that first down if it was there for the taking. Which makes it all the more crazy that at other times they would not let him run some QB sneaks to pick up a first down.
I also think that Ben's pain tolerance is so much better than the other top QBs in the league. Better than Rodgers, Romo, etc. We have seen Ben have his nose broken and not be phased by it. I remember a game where Romo would not play because he had some dislocated finger or some such, Ben would have laughed and still played the game. One of the criticisms I have of Rodgers is that I think if you rough him up that you can throw him off his game. Ben seems to actually play better if is he is hit more as opposed to playing in a clean pocket.
Personally, I am more worried that Ben is starting to enter that Brett Farve phase where the gambling/street ball ways begin to fall short and the INTs/fumbles become more and more problematic. You look at the Jax game, forget about the gaudy stats, look at those early turnovers, an INT at our 18 yard line? A fumble by Ben that is returned for a 50 yard TD? Physically, maybe Ben can play 5 more years, but if you are making mental mistakes and turning the ball over are you really a franchise QB? Before that Jax playoff game, Ben and the offense had averaged just 19 points a game over their last 6 playoff games. That 42 point effort in a loss to Jax puts them at an average of 22.5 for their last 7. Sorry but that still sucks.
More than anything else, I am hoping that Randy Fitchner can get Ben to play smarter, more within himself and just distribute the football to his playmakers. You don't need to go off script, make something happen, improvise as much, just distribute the football. Get it to the open man, don't force it to Brown or Bell, be smart, allow your playmakers to make your job easier Ben.
I think if play calling improves, those mistakes are minimized.
