Gilbert vs Adams at RT

[franco32]

Gilbert's pass protection has been atrocious, but like others have said, his run blocking has been pretty good.

Gilbert may be a turd, but Adams is a big pile of stinking shit. He is lazy, weak-minded, has terrible technique, and his feet are horrible. Even during his "vaunted" year at RT, he was a horrific in pass protection.

Mike Adams was garbage in camp. He was horrible in preseason, often getting abused by second stringers. What makes people think he will magically step in and shine at RT?

He will be working at Giant Eagle in a season or two. Mark my words.

Not sure about the Giant Eagle thing... They have a drug testing policy.

LMAO...so true.

[Legacy User]

How many time did he have to stand up and listen to Ben on the signals.

Hold on, that was by design. Foster would watch for Ben to raise his leg, then he would set and tap Pouncey on the leg to let him know when to snap the ball.

[Legacy User]

[Jobu]

How many time did he have to stand up and listen to Ben on the signals.

Hold on, that was by design. Foster would watch for Ben to raise his leg, then he would set and tap Pouncey on the leg to let him know when to snap the ball.

Yep...that's how I saw it too.

[K_C_]

Adams will keep that RT tackle job if they give him a shot.

[Legacy User]

Adams will keep that RT tackle job if they give him a shot.

He was given a shot...
A shot in camp
A shot in preseason
A shot at practice

They like Gilbert better... I agree with them.

[K_C_]

Adams will keep that RT tackle job if they give him a shot.

He was given a shot...
A shot in camp
A shot in preseason
A shot at practice

They like Gilbert better... I agree with them.

At RT? A real shot to unseat the shit that is Gilbert?

Sure. Sure he did.

[alancac98]

How many time did he have to stand up and listen to Ben on the signals.

Hold on, that was by design. Foster would watch for Ben to raise his leg, then he would set and tap Pouncey on the leg to let him know when to snap the ball.

Yeah, and what kind of shit is that. You tip the snap every time to the defensive line- that's why they were all over Ben. Why can't Pouncey do it himself? Name one other center in the NFL that needs someone to spot him when to snap the fucking ball!

[Jobu]

Adams will keep that RT tackle job if they give him a shot.

He was given a shot...
A shot in camp
A shot in preseason
A shot at practice

They like Gilbert better... I agree with them.

He was not given a shot.
Mike Adams was the best OT on the team during the preseason, albeit against lesser competition. No matter, barring injury he will not be given the opportunity for playing time. Tomlin made him the scapegoat for last season's poor start. He threw him under the bus, and Adams remains there to this day. He'll play out his contract here and move on.
Meanwhile the pile of RT shit that is Marcus Gilbert (isn't it ironic people call Adams lazy and undisciplined), is on pace to personally give up 32 sacks this season!

[Steelafan77]

Gilbert is not communicating with DeCastro. Every time they are in the no huddle, it is up to the tackles to set the edge blocking. The basic rules are: down man first, inside shoulder next and then second level. If a defensive tackle is playing a three technique on DeCastro and Gilbert is worried about the rush edge he must say Zip it, or whatever signal they are using these days, saying to DeCastro that he has the three technique and the RG must tell the center to play the 0 and 1 or 2 techniques. It is basic OL and Gilbert is too worried about the edge and his zone block.

Don't get me started about Foster last game. He was playing man on man most of the game due to his inability to get the play. How many time did he have to stand up and listen to Ben on the signals. He was the only player on the OL to not understand the basic no huddle snap count or assignment.

From my understanding it looked like Foster was relaying snap readiness to Pouncey. Nothing like tipping your hand to the defense, right? Every time Ben would lift his leg at the end of some count Foster would reach over and pat Pouncey then the ball would be snapped.

[alancac98]

Adams will keep that RT tackle job if they give him a shot.

He was given a shot...
A shot in camp
A shot in preseason
A shot at practice

They like Gilbert better... I agree with them.

He was not given a shot.
Mike Adams was the best OT on the team during the preseason, albeit against lesser competition. No matter, barring injury he will not be given the opportunity for playing time. Tomlin made him the scapegoat for last season's poor start. He threw him under the bus, and Adams remains there to this day. He'll play out his contract here and move on.
Meanwhile the pile of RT shit that is Marcus Gilbert (isn't it ironic people call Adams lazy and undisciplined), is on pace to personally give up 32 sacks this season!

I completely agree Jobus. A trade mark of Tomlin's is once you enter his doghouse, you never get out of it. A second trademark of Tomlin's is that once he likes someone, it would take an act of injury to sit him. Tomlin has his mind set on many players despite any suckitude they display on the field. Gilbert is Tomlin's guy so Adams or anyone else for that matter had no chance to win the starting job. That is what defines Tomlin in my book!

[Legacy User]

Adams will keep that RT tackle job if they give him a shot.

He was given a shot...
A shot in camp
A shot in preseason
A shot at practice

They like Gilbert better... I agree with them.

At RT? A real shot to unseat the shit that is Gilbert?

Sure. Sure he did.

The shit that is Adams is on the bench... If he was better at RT he would be starting.

[Legacy User]

He was not given a shot.
Mike Adams was the best OT on the team during the preseason, albeit against lesser competition. No matter, barring injury he will not be given the opportunity for playing time. Tomlin made him the scapegoat for last season's poor start. He threw him under the bus, and Adams remains there to this day. He'll play out his contract here and move on.
Meanwhile the pile of RT shit that is Marcus Gilbert (isn't it ironic people call Adams lazy and undisciplined), is on pace to personally give up 32 sacks this season!

I completely agree Jobus. A trade mark of Tomlin's is once you enter his doghouse, you never get out of it. A second trademark of Tomlin's is that once he likes someone, it would take an act of injury to sit him. Tomlin has his mind set on many players despite any suckitude they display on the field. Gilbert is Tomlin's guy so Adams or anyone else for that matter had no chance to win the starting job. That is what defines Tomlin in my book!

Adams the pile of shit he is, is right where he belongs. Lot of players look good against others who won't be in the league. Adams suckitude was much greater than Gilbert's

[Scunge]

I am a huge fan of Munchak, when he was a player and now as a coach. I was calling for him to be hired by the Steelers in the offseason once the Titans fired him... last October!

He is only a training camp, 4 preseason games and 2 regular season games into the process of coaching this offensive line. The offensive line will look much better in the second half of the year. Haley and LeBeau have put in the appropriate amount of time where everyone can see that they are fucked up, but Munchak gets the benefit of the doubt.

[Jobu]

He was not given a shot.
Mike Adams was the best OT on the team during the preseason, albeit against lesser competition. No matter, barring injury he will not be given the opportunity for playing time. Tomlin made him the scapegoat for last season's poor start. He threw him under the bus, and Adams remains there to this day. He'll play out his contract here and move on.
Meanwhile the pile of RT shit that is Marcus Gilbert (isn't it ironic people call Adams lazy and undisciplined), is on pace to personally give up 32 sacks this season!

I completely agree Jobus. A trade mark of Tomlin's is once you enter his doghouse, you never get out of it. A second trademark of Tomlin's is that once he likes someone, it would take an act of injury to sit him. Tomlin has his mind set on many players despite any suckitude they display on the field. Gilbert is Tomlin's guy so Adams or anyone else for that matter had no chance to win the starting job. That is what defines Tomlin in my book!

I absolutely see Tomlin the same way. And to go a step further, his tendency to "fall in love" with players they want/tend to draft is maddening, and the main reason this roster is in the current state that it is.

[955876]

The shit that is Adams is on the bench... If he was better at RT he would be starting.

Really??

How many complete stiffs did they cycle through the guard position in an attempt to not have Foster start before finally "settling" on him.

And then they end up extending him. The very guy they viewed as lesser in ability to great guard prospects like Chris Scott, Tony Hills, Trai Essex etc etc etc.

So let's not pretend they are Johnny on the damn spot when it comes to player evaluation.

They've been "below the line" if you will and it shows in the product on the field.

[K_C_]

The shit that is Adams is on the bench... If he was better at RT he would be starting.

Remember, Tomlin thought Adams (who was just getting comfortable at RT and playing well) WAS READY TO BE MOVED TO LT.

Think about that one, sport.

Your head might explode though.

[Legacy User]

The shit that is Adams is on the bench... If he was better at RT he would be starting.

Remember, Tomlin thought Adams (who was just getting comfortable at RT and playing well) WAS READY TO BE MOVED TO LT.

Think about that one, sport.

Your head might explode though.

Think about this sport... Adams does not have the mental make up and physical ability to beat out Gilbert. Like you said your head might explode.

[franco32]

You know things are ugly when people are calling on Mike Adams to save the day. This is a guy who again showed up at camp and was not ready. More than one reporter said he was abysmal and getting beaten by guys who are now at CVS stocking shelves.

During the preseason he was up and down as usual...but against second and third stringers. He's always good for a couple complete whiffs that may get Ben killed. Gilbert sucks but he's still ahead of the sloth Adams.

[Legacy User]

Weak link on the OL is Foster, not Gilbert.

You'd have more credibility when you call for coaches' heads if you at least acknowledged the real weaknesses.

[K_C_]

The shit that is Adams is on the bench... If he was better at RT he would be starting.

Remember, Tomlin thought Adams (who was just getting comfortable at RT and playing well) WAS READY TO BE MOVED TO LT.

Think about that one, sport.

Your head might explode though.

Think about this sport... Adams does not have the mental make up and physical ability to beat out Gilbert. Like you said your head might explode.

But Tomlin thought he was ready to be a LT!

Genius!!

[bradshaw2ben]

They are both terrible, Jones. The big problem is: they're just oafs. Gilbert's not a mountain of a man or a dancing bear or a big tough sonofabitch. He's just an oaf.

Foster is a fat overachiever, who has been pretty effective for the past couple of years and who is struggling with whatever he's doing now. Perhaps he's just hit the end.

[K_C_]

Weak link on the OL is Foster, not Gilbert.

You'd have more credibility when you call for coaches' heads if you at least acknowledged the real weaknesses.

Yeah, because Gilbert is no weak link.

Not him.

Not that guy.

[Legacy User]

I'm not going to give an opinion either way, all I'll say is this

if you aren't rewatching each game and charting it, chances are you have no real good idea what you're talking about regarding OL play

Perception is usually misleading when it comes to OL play

[Legacy User]

But Tomlin thought he was ready to be a LT!

Genius!!

Tomlin gave him a chance at LT he failed. He is mentally weak and lazy, he does not have the physical tools to be a LT. He had every chance to beat out Gilbert this year and where is he at that's right the bench. I'll close with a cool emoticon genius.

[Legacy User]

Weak link on the OL is Foster, not Gilbert.

You'd have more credibility when you call for coaches' heads if you at least acknowledged the real weaknesses.

Yeah, because Gilbert is no weak link.

Not him.

Not that guy.

Gilbert hasn't been great, but he hasn't been as terrible as a lot of people seem to think. Foster has been far, far worse IMO- did you even watch the Upshaw hit on BR? Honestly, tell me what the fuck the Foster was doing on that play. He was there to give Ben a hand up- after he mysteriously just let Upshaw paste the best player on the team!

At Gilbert's worst he's a speed bump. Foster is clueless and immobile. In 2 full games he has NEVER pulled. Not once. Too fat and slow. DeCastro pulls. Fucking Pouncey, the center, pulls. Not Foster tho'. If I'm wrong point it out.

I don't have to "chart" plays... I'm happy just re-watching some film.

If I was going to put Adams in anywhere over a current starter it'd be Foster's slot, but Wallace is better most likely.

[Legacy User]

Weak link on the OL is Foster, not Gilbert.

You'd have more credibility when you call for coaches' heads if you at least acknowledged the real weaknesses.

Yeah, because Gilbert is no weak link.

Not him.

Not that guy.

Gilbert hasn't been great, but he hasn't been as terrible as a lot of people seem to think. Foster has been far, far worse IMO- did you even watch the Upshaw hit on BR? Honestly, tell me what the fuck the Foster was doing on that play. He was there to give Ben a hand up- after he mysteriously just let Upshaw paste the best player on the team!

At Gilbert's worst he's a speed bump. Foster is clueless and immobile. In 2 full games he has NEVER pulled. Not once. Too fat and slow. DeCastro pulls. Fucking Pouncey, the center, pulls. Not Foster tho'. If I'm wrong point it out.

I don't have to "chart" plays... I'm happy just re-watching some film.

If I was going to put Adams in anywhere over a current starter it'd be Foster's slot, but Wallace is better most likely.

UDFA is what he is and his time is probably over. Just who does the team have to replace him? Wallace is a center, aka, not that big and although a good center probably a reprise of Leggo at guard. I've seen this show before and know what happens especially in this animal house. Hubbard is probably just a big ball of baby jelly at this point. How bout Trai Johnson? Once again the team fucked itself. Tomlin needs antlers on his baseball cap to go with his deer in the headlights eyeballs.

[955876]

I agree Foster has been bad.

So why did our brain trust extend him?

These guys are so afraid of having to go find someone else that they pay to keep shit.

The devil you know.

[Legacy User]

I agree Foster has been bad.

So why did our brain trust extend him?

These guys are so afraid of having to go find someone else that they pay to keep shit.

The devil you know.

Pouncey: R1
DD: R1
Gilbert: R2
Adams: R2

Our line should be the Greek Gods of the trenches. They should be afraid to find someone else. They fucking suck at it.

[Legacy User]

They are both terrible, Jones. The big problem is: they're just oafs. Gilbert's not a mountain of a man or a dancing bear or a big tough sonofabitch. He's just an oaf.

Foster is a fat overachiever, who has been pretty effective for the past couple of years and who is struggling with whatever he's doing now. Perhaps he's just hit the end.

Why is this team always fuckity fuck fucked? Yeah I think you are right. He looks like he got too comfortable or maybe his peak was just barely acceptable and now at the ripe old age of 28 he just doesn't have it anymore. If that's true then we are in trouble because we've seen this show before where a guy in Leggo was ok at center but not big enough to play guard. From what I saw in preseason Cody Wallace is that guy too. Big enough for center but not enough sand for the left guard position. I don't think a guy like Hubbard at this point is anything more than a bowl of liquid jello. Just not ready.