Fire Colbert

[COR-TEN]

Every successful team needs a very good QB. Do you think if Tomlin had Brady or Brees or Rodgers or Luck or Rivers or Mahomes we wouldn't have had as good a record. I agree that Belecheat would have given us more titles with out talent than Tomlin, but that doesn't make Tomlin a bad coach, just not as good as Belecheat. Roberto Clemente was a great baseball player, but probably not as good as Willie Mays. That doesn't make Clemente bad. (And I know, Tomlin is no Clemente).

We will get to see how many of Ben's interceptions are because he is forcing the ball in trying to appease Brown vs him just forcing the ball without going through his progressions.

If our kicker didn't suck last year we win several more games. We beat New England in the regular season. Who knows what we would have done. I am looking forward to a season without drama queens. Ben has been ordained the leader. He needs to step up.

You need to post more. This place needs more level headed thinking instead of a bunch of people running around with their hair on fire. But we live in an era where everybody is an expert, and they can do better. Without even having the entire picture to make an informed decision.

I too am disappointed for the lowered value, but everybody makes it seem like Colbert should have just snapped his fingers and created a sirloin steak out of a shit sandwich.

AB was a dick, and purposefully acted like one in order to lower trade value, but increase his worth because of an philosophical difference in what "contract" means. He basically strong armed his release in defiance of the CBA, effectively fucking the steelers. And colbert calling him a kid was spot on. Fucker thinks the world revolves around him. AB has never grown up. He doesn't even deserve the respect he gets.

[stillcajun]

Colbert and Tomlin both need to go. Colbert and the FO came out with the "we will trade Brown by Friday". Then they modified it w/ the we'll get the best deal, then not trading AB to Buffalo because he "wouldn't play". Followed that up by getting fleeced by the Raiduhs.

Tomlin because he allowed Brown and the locker room to get this way. A supposed leader of men can't control his own foxhole and consistently underachieves in the reg season and the playoffs. A supposed defensive coach and former DB coach that can't coach up DBs and/or has existing DBs (FA or draft) to regress on his watch consistently. (Artie Burns worse than when he was drafted, same for Hilton, Davis, Sutton, Berhe and Mitchell) (Mitchell leaves the team and eventually signs w/ Colts and almost makes the Pro Bowl). He basically doesn't practice what he preaches. He needs to go.

I hope and pray that this team will use these picks to make the best draft since '74 but with the current mindset and people in charge we'll draft like the 2010 Browns.

[Legacy User]

As far as the 21 million dead money, was there a scenario where that was avoidable? I’m asking because I really don’t know. Haven’t been following all this bullshit lately.

No

[Kodiak]

You're not getting a top return for a guy when he also has to become the highest paid receiver in the league. You had a number of bidders, but the contract demands tanked the trade value.

Basically AB was a FA, and instead of a comp pick of #97 next year, Colbert essentially got a late R2 this year.

[bradshaw2ben]

You're not getting a top return for a guy when he also has to become the highest paid receiver in the league. You had a number of bidders, but the contract demands tanked the trade value.

Basically AB was a FA, and instead of a comp pick of #97 next year, Colbert essentially got a late R2 this year.

proper outlook

[swissvale72]

I know everyone is unhappy this morning. But the hate should be towards the selfish prick Brown. We won our last Super Bowl in 2009. Many posters are saying since then we suck. Here are the teams with the best winning percentage since then.

1. New England: 102-26 Regular-season record (.797)
2. Pittsburgh: 85-43 Regular-season record (.664)

I know we expect championships and nothing else. I am too old for social media, and I realize that some posters are just venting anger and that can whip into a frenzy. But it seems to me that we are being unrealistic. Being one of the two top teams in the NFL since 2010 isn't failure, it just isn't championships.

Art 2 can never live up to his Dad. Dan is possibly the greatest owner ever in sports.That doesn't make Art 2 a dick.

Colbert's draft history stacks up very well compared to other GMs. I believe Scunge showed a comparison in a post a while ago that showed him very favorable against the league GMs.

Tomlin plays favorites. So does every other coach. I ran several $100M+ businesses in my life. I was always accused of playing favorites. I always responded that "of course I do. They are the reason we are successful. If you want to be treated better, work harder and better and you will be a favorite too." Tomlin is not Belecheat. But he is not terrible.

I for one will always root for the Steelers. I haven't lived in Pittsburgh for 40 years. The passion for the Steelers does not fade. They are my team. And I for one think they won today, because they got something for a piece of shit. Oakland deserves Brown. They will realize they overpaid when he screws up. And he will.

Nothing to do with his dad....Art II is a dick in his own right.

[jewelsongs]

I know everyone is unhappy this morning. But the hate should be towards the selfish prick Brown. We won our last Super Bowl in 2009. Many posters are saying since then we suck. Here are the teams with the best winning percentage since then.

1. New England: 102-26 Regular-season record (.797)
2. Pittsburgh: 85-43 Regular-season record (.664)

I know we expect championships and nothing else. I am too old for social media, and I realize that some posters are just venting anger and that can whip into a frenzy. But it seems to me that we are being unrealistic. Being one of the two top teams in the NFL since 2010 isn't failure, it just isn't championships.

Art 2 can never live up to his Dad. Dan is possibly the greatest owner ever in sports.That doesn't make Art 2 a dick.

Colbert's draft history stacks up very well compared to other GMs. I believe Scunge showed a comparison in a post a while ago that showed him very favorable against the league GMs.

Tomlin plays favorites. So does every other coach. I ran several $100M+ businesses in my life. I was always accused of playing favorites. I always responded that "of course I do. They are the reason we are successful. If you want to be treated better, work harder and better and you will be a favorite too." Tomlin is not Belecheat. But he is not terrible.

I for one will always root for the Steelers. I haven't lived in Pittsburgh for 40 years. The passion for the Steelers does not fade. They are my team. And I for one think they won today, because they got something for a piece of shit. Oakland deserves Brown. They will realize they overpaid when he screws up. And he will.

Nothing to do with his dad....Art II is a dick in his own right.

Good one Swiss. We can agree to disagree over a large Vincents Pizza and a cold Iron City Beer!

[swissvale72]

Look at it this way, Jewelsongs.....other than a couple year hiatus when the place was padlocked by Allegheny County Sheriffs, Vincent's perseveres beyond the 50 years/3 coaches that the Steelers ownership embraces!!

[jewelsongs]

Look at it this way, Jewelsongs.....other than a couple year hiatus when the place was padlocked by Allegheny County Sheriffs, Vincent's perseveres beyond the 50 years/3 coaches that the Steelers ownership embraces!!

My first stop every trip to the burg. One of the only things in life I like better than the steelers.

[steelmann58]

Ab is a dick and screwed the steelers no doubt.
Tomlin for allowing this AB bullshit from the start is strictly on the HC.
Colbert biggest mistake was him putting the exclusive FA tag on Bell instead of the other tag that would let some team set the price and the steelers could have matched or walked away.

[Obviously]

Every successful team needs a very good QB. Do you think if Tomlin had Brady or Brees or Rodgers or Luck or Rivers or Mahomes we wouldn't have had as good a record. I agree that Belecheat would have given us more titles with out talent than Tomlin, but that doesn't make Tomlin a bad coach, just not as good as Belecheat. Roberto Clemente was a great baseball player, but probably not as good as Willie Mays. That doesn't make Clemente bad. (And I know, Tomlin is no Clemente).

We will get to see how many of Ben's interceptions are because he is forcing the ball in trying to appease Brown vs him just forcing the ball without going through his progressions.

If our kicker didn't suck last year we win several more games. We beat New England in the regular season. Who knows what we would have done. I am looking forward to a season without drama queens. Ben has been ordained the leader. He needs to step up.

You need to post more. This place needs more level headed thinking instead of a bunch of people running around with their hair on fire. But we live in an era where everybody is an expert, and they can do better. Without even having the entire picture to make an informed decision.

I too and disappointed for the lowered value, but everybody makes it seem like Colbert should have just snapped his fingers and created a sirloin steak out of a shit sandwich.

AB was a dick, and purposefully acted like one in order to lower trade value, but increase his worth because of an philosophical difference in what "contract" means. He basically strong armed his release in defiance of the CBA, effectively fucking the steelers. And colbert calling him a kid was spot on. Fucker thinks the world revolves around him. AB has never grown up. He doesn't even deserve the respect he gets.

Colbert didn't call AB a kid, he called the Steelers under Ben Roethlisberger "52 kids."


Okay jewelsongs - it's Chris Boswell's fault the Steelers tanked this year. Why is he still on the team then?

[jewelsongs]

Every successful team needs a very good QB. Do you think if Tomlin had Brady or Brees or Rodgers or Luck or Rivers or Mahomes we wouldn't have had as good a record. I agree that Belecheat would have given us more titles with out talent than Tomlin, but that doesn't make Tomlin a bad coach, just not as good as Belecheat. Roberto Clemente was a great baseball player, but probably not as good as Willie Mays. That doesn't make Clemente bad. (And I know, Tomlin is no Clemente).

We will get to see how many of Ben's interceptions are because he is forcing the ball in trying to appease Brown vs him just forcing the ball without going through his progressions.

If our kicker didn't suck last year we win several more games. We beat New England in the regular season. Who knows what we would have done. I am looking forward to a season without drama queens. Ben has been ordained the leader. He needs to step up.

You need to post more. This place needs more level headed thinking instead of a bunch of people running around with their hair on fire. But we live in an era where everybody is an expert, and they can do better. Without even having the entire picture to make an informed decision.

I too and disappointed for the lowered value, but everybody makes it seem like Colbert should have just snapped his fingers and created a sirloin steak out of a shit sandwich.

AB was a dick, and purposefully acted like one in order to lower trade value, but increase his worth because of an philosophical difference in what "contract" means. He basically strong armed his release in defiance of the CBA, effectively fucking the steelers. And colbert calling him a kid was spot on. Fucker thinks the world revolves around him. AB has never grown up. He doesn't even deserve the respect he gets.

Colbert didn't call AB a kid, he called the Steelers under Ben Roethlisberger "52 kids."


Okay jewelsongs - it's Chris Boswell's fault the Steelers tanked this year. Why is he still on the team then?

I didn't say he was the only reason, but he hurt them a lot. The point I was making is that we are not that far away from being a very good team. I believe that. I think getting rid of Brown helps us, his behavior is unacceptable. I hope Rooney has a sit down with Tomlin and tells him not to let the prima donna stuff happen again. Treating men like men is fine, but Brown was acting like a punk, not a man. Tomlin should be on notice this year.

Boswell is still on the team because he costs them a lot to cut, in a year where they need free agency dollars. If he starts the preseason by missing a lot of kicks, he will be gone.

[steelmann58]

sorry still think our biggest issue was our head coach, and that not going to change .

[COR-TEN]

Colbert didn't call AB a kid, he called the Steelers under Ben Roethlisberger "52 kids."

Well, AB was one of the 52, so yes. He called him a kid. And he even said so in his interview on ESPN.

I'm guessing it was specifically directed at AB. Because he is acting like a ten year old. But that's acceptable nowadays, apparently.

[955876]

I know everyone is unhappy this morning. But the hate should be towards the selfish prick Brown. We won our last Super Bowl in 2009. Many posters are saying since then we suck. Here are the teams with the best winning percentage since then.

1. New England: 102-26 Regular-season record (.797)
2. Pittsburgh: 85-43 Regular-season record (.664)

I know we expect championships and nothing else. I am too old for social media, and I realize that some posters are just venting anger and that can whip into a frenzy. But it seems to me that we are being unrealistic. Being one of the two top teams in the NFL since 2010 isn't failure, it just isn't championships.

If you are too old for social media then you are likley old enough to remember a time back before participation trophies.

Being #2 behind only NE in terms of regular season record is much more of an indictment against this team than it is reason to think they’ve been successful.

We are #2 in regular season wins over that period. Awesome.

Now show where we stack up in terms of postseason appearances and wins over that period.

Our regular season record is a result of putting superior talent on the field most weeks vs the competition.

Our lack of postseason success is evidence of how poorly this team is coached and how selfish the players have become.

We have not been a team like Cowher had at the end. One that was striving so hard to finally win.

No, we are a paper tiger frequently caught up in their own press clippings speaking to how talented this team is.

We are a high end sports car where the maintenance has been ignored. Still looks great sitting in the garage but runs like shit or worse, leaves you stuck on he side of the road.

That is your Pittsburgh Steelers.

[steelmann58]

lets see what the steelers do when FA start if they change or its still the same BS when it comes to steelers in FA

[Kodiak]

sorry still think our biggest issue was our head coach, and that not going to change .

He makes actual, intentional choices that he knows suboptimize his chance of winning the game in front of him - not putting Ben back in earlier, or saving plays "in the vault", relying too much on your defense when they've shown you nothing....

Can anyone tell me what Tomlin actually brings to the table? It's not managing the game....It's not controlling that locker room....It's not defense, and certainly not offense. It's not drafting or coaching up DB's.

[Obviously]

Colbert didn't call AB a kid, he called the Steelers under Ben Roethlisberger "52 kids."

Well, AB was one of the 52, so yes. He called him a kid. And he even said so in his interview on ESPN.

I'm guessing it was specifically directed at AB. Because he is acting like a ten year old. But that's acceptable nowadays, apparently.

Calling AB a kid is insulting to kids. Apparently, it's been acceptable in Tomlin's locker room for a while now.

[steelmann58]

Tomlin has no excuses now but he has a perfect reason if he fails.

[COR-TEN]

Colbert didn't call AB a kid, he called the Steelers under Ben Roethlisberger "52 kids."

Well, AB was one of the 52, so yes. He called him a kid. And he even said so in his interview on ESPN.

I'm guessing it was specifically directed at AB. Because he is acting like a ten year old. But that's acceptable nowadays, apparently.

Calling AB a kid is insulting to kids. Apparently, it's been acceptable in Tomlin's locker room for a while now.

Niiiice.

[tango_mike]

I will say that "The Steeler Way" botched both the Bell and Brown situations. Both wanted more guaranteed money, and the Steeler way is not not give any guarantees other than a signing bonus to stretch out the money. BUT, they are willing to eat over $20 million now in dead money. Why not just invest that into Brown last year in guaranteed money (that they are now spending anyway) to keep him happy and this fiasco would not have ever materialized. Same for Leveon. He could have been signed 2 off-seasons ago for probably less than Gurley ever got by guaranteeing money. They Genie is out of the bottle now, and players are going to use this strategy to get paid the guaranteed money they crave.

[steelcountry]

I will say that "The Steeler Way" botched both the Bell and Brown situations. Both wanted more guaranteed money, and the Steeler way is not not give any guarantees other than a signing bonus to stretch out the money. BUT, they are willing to eat over $20 million now in dead money. Why not just invest that into Brown last year in guaranteed money (that they are now spending anyway) to keep him happy and this fiasco would not have ever materialized. Same for Leveon. He could have been signed 2 off-seasons ago for probably less than Gurley ever got by guaranteeing money. They Genie is out of the bottle now, and players are going to use this strategy to get paid the guaranteed money they crave.

The 21M reflects the money we've already paid him that would have counted against the cap over the next 3 years. It didn't just come out of thin air because we traded him. Your solution is to give him more money so his cap hit would have been over 25M per season? That's even worse than the underwhelming return we got by trading him.

[steelmann58]

They messed up with Bell by using the wrong tag on him.