If the Steelers are going to fire Butler.

[steelmann58]

I think it's part the players that are not good

[blu]

Joey Porter was never the same after he was shot in the ass.

[Kodiak]

...but is it really completely their fault for Boswell following up a pro bowl season with missing 12 kicks this year and for Ben to lead the league in interceptions?

No. But if Tomlin were a good coach it never gets to this point.

When everything is going south, you need your HC to be a rock....and not rock for brains.

[COR-TEN]

Nearly every post on this message board revolves around blaming the coaches. I’m not saying the coaches aren’t at fault for this team missing the playoffs, but is it really completely their fault for Boswell following up a pro bowl season with missing 12 kicks this year and for Ben to lead the league in interceptions?

Shame on you for being sensible.

[Legacy User]

Nearly every post on this message board revolves around blaming the coaches. I’m not saying the coaches aren’t at fault for this team missing the playoffs, but is it really completely their fault for Boswell following up a pro bowl season with missing 12 kicks this year and for Ben to lead the league in interceptions?

Shame on you for being sensible.

Why has the majority of the board including me gone full in on bashing coaching?

Bc the same issues persist year after year after year after year. Players come players go, but the same dumb issues remain.

I have not read a single post claiming that the sole reason the Steelers have missed the playoffs is coaching.

People are fed up with the bumbling bullshit. I don’t care Boswell tanked. I don’t care that refs are incompetent. I care that Tomlin is Seinfeld. No learning. No growing. Different year, same dumb shit.

So, COR, you can continue to be the adult in the threads all you want. FUCK TOMLIN. I’m over his dumb fuckery.

[Steelafan77]

Nearly every post on this message board revolves around blaming the coaches. I’m not saying the coaches aren’t at fault for this team missing the playoffs, but is it really completely their fault for Boswell following up a pro bowl season with missing 12 kicks this year and for Ben to lead the league in interceptions?

Heresy....

Seriously though players share blame for sure. Tomlin isn't the one out on the field tackling, catching, running, throwing, kicking etc.... That said, Tomlin and his assistant coaches however are in control of how well those listed activities unfold. Why it's called coaching. Lackadaisical, complacent, overrated and arrogant is no way to go through the season.

[KCSteeler]

Vance Joseph is available... But I think that if we fire Butler, our next DC is Porter.

Um.....what?

[KCSteeler]

Vance Joseph is available... But I think that if we fire Butler, our next DC is Porter.

[Scunge]

I wish people would get over Ben's interceptions this season. So what if he threw 16 INTs? He also led the NFL in pass attempts with 675. That 2.4% interception percentage was tied for the 4th LOWEST of his career.

Let me explain that for you better, Ben only had 3 seasons in his career where he was throwing less interceptions per pass attempt.

Andrew Luck and Philllip Rivers practically had the same INT % this year as Ben, but you don't hear people harping on the INTs that they threw.

675 pass attempts by Ben led the NFL and when you throw that much, INTs will happen, get over it already.

In terms of firing Butler and hiring a new coach, yes please.

But don't stop there, fire this damn Dick LeBeau 3-4 scheme finally and move on to some modern NFL defense. Enough is enough!!!

Cam Heyward. Stud. Javon Hargrave. Stud. Stephon Tuitt. Stud. TJ Watt. Stud.

All you need is 6 players to man a 4 man 4-3 front. 3 inside players to rotate and 3 outside players to rotate. If you don't believe me look at Minnesota's defense, or Philly's or Jax the past couple seasons. They all take players that look like 3-4 OLBs and they play them at DE. Watt can be a 4-3 DE. Cam, Hargrave and Tuitt can be an incredible trio inside and Tuitt can play DE with his length and quickness. Hargrave would be featured as a Geno Atkins/Aaron Donald DT if he were playing in a 4-3 defense outside of Pittsburgh and probably have 15 sacks a season. In Pittsburgh we waste his time and ours by playing him as a NT in a 3-4 defense that neuters him and stunts his growth.

Karl Dunbar has experience coaching 4-3 fronts. I keep Bradly for the secondary, he inherited the players and the scheme ties his hands too. Only so much you can do playing within this jail cell, this prison that is the Dick LeBeau 3-4 defense.

So, fire Butler, Porter and Olsavsky, and keep Dunbar and Bradley. All I am asking is for them to hire a new DC who runs a 4-3 and allow him to hand pick his right hand man to serve as the LBer coach. Then with those two gentlemen in place, start to draft 4-3 prospects.

If they did that they would have great success starting as early as next season. It does not take years to make changes, that is just bullshit, people use that as an excuse because they are afraid of change. Time to go back to the future, a return to the 4-3 defense.

[955876]

To be fair Scunge, it isn’t so much the number of INTs as it is the type of INTs that push his number higher than it should be.

I get that more attempts will lead to lore INTs.

None of that explains shit like tossing a pop fly up for grabs into the EZ on 3rd down.

That wasn’t the only avoidable pick he threw.

So it’s not the picks as much as it is the mindless type he has become so prone to throw.

[Scunge]

But I would argue that fans are too focused on their own QBs and don't realize that all QBs throw INTs that are mindless at times. There is not one QB that is immune to this.

Also, I remember many INTs this season where they were flukes, just really weird INTs, hard to fault Ben on some of those. But again, when you are throwing 675 times, and not just dinking and dunking in some conservative offense, the INTs are going to happen. Ben led the NFL in passes that were over 40+ yards with 16. This offense was aggressive this season, it took chances, and there were many young players learning on the fly.

Think about it, JuJu is a great player no doubt, but he is only 22 years old and in just his 2nd season. Switzer was in his 2nd season but first with the team and had no training camp or offseason. JaySam was a rookie, Washington was a rookie. Conner was in his 2nd season and learning how to play and be a starter in the NFL. McDonald was in his 2nd season with the team and finally looked comfortable.

I saw many INTs this season where the receiver was supposed to be in a spot, Ben threw to that spot but the player was not there and it was intercepted. I can't fault Ben too much for those INTs, those will become less and less as the young players get more experienced and they all play together and get on the same page, after all, Randy Fitchner was essentially in his rookie year as an offensive coordinator.

I see many QBs that are below 10 INTs but I also don't see them playing that aggressive, taking chances, trying to dictate to the defense.

[R_S]

Vance Joseph is available... But I think that if we fire Butler, our next DC is Porter.

Um.....what?

Not so crazy to think. Tomlin is untouchable with a job as secure as the Pope. He and Joey hang out at the kids HS football games together and berate refs, piss off fans, and otherwise have a damn good time. They are best pals. Why not give your buddy a raise?

[Orangesteel]

Vance Joseph is available... But I think that if we fire Butler, our next DC is Porter.

Um.....what?

Not so crazy to think. Tomlin is untouchable with a job as secure as the Pope. He and Joey hang out at the kids HS football games together and berate refs, piss off fans, and otherwise have a damn good time. They are best pals. Why not give your buddy a raise?

If Porter ever becomes DC of this team I’m burning everything.

[Quixotic]

well, Marvin Lewis once coached defense here years ago, and they were pretty good under his tenure...

Didn’t we get Labeau after he failed as a HC in Cincitucky? Why not Marv. He made the Ravens D. into an immovable object.

[Legacy User]

I wish people would get over Ben's interceptions this season. So what if he threw 16 INTs? He also led the NFL in pass attempts with 675. That 2.4% interception percentage was tied for the 4th LOWEST of his career.

Let me explain that for you better, Ben only had 3 seasons in his career where he was throwing less interceptions per pass attempt.

Andrew Luck and Philllip Rivers practically had the same INT % this year as Ben, but you don't hear people harping on the INTs that they threw.

675 pass attempts by Ben led the NFL and when you throw that much, INTs will happen, get over it already.

In terms of firing Butler and hiring a new coach, yes please.

But don't stop there, fire this damn Dick LeBeau 3-4 scheme finally and move on to some modern NFL defense. Enough is enough!!!

Cam Heyward. Stud. Javon Hargrave. Stud. Stephon Tuitt. Stud. TJ Watt. Stud.

All you need is 6 players to man a 4 man 4-3 front. 3 inside players to rotate and 3 outside players to rotate. If you don't believe me look at Minnesota's defense, or Philly's or Jax the past couple seasons. They all take players that look like 3-4 OLBs and they play them at DE. Watt can be a 4-3 DE. Cam, Hargrave and Tuitt can be an incredible trio inside and Tuitt can play DE with his length and quickness. Hargrave would be featured as a Geno Atkins/Aaron Donald DT if he were playing in a 4-3 defense outside of Pittsburgh and probably have 15 sacks a season. In Pittsburgh we waste his time and ours by playing him as a NT in a 3-4 defense that neuters him and stunts his growth.

Karl Dunbar has experience coaching 4-3 fronts. I keep Bradly for the secondary, he inherited the players and the scheme ties his hands too. Only so much you can do playing within this jail cell, this prison that is the Dick LeBeau 3-4 defense.

So, fire Butler, Porter and Olsavsky, and keep Dunbar and Bradley. All I am asking is for them to hire a new DC who runs a 4-3 and allow him to hand pick his right hand man to serve as the LBer coach. Then with those two gentlemen in place, start to draft 4-3 prospects.

If they did that they would have great success starting as early as next season. It does not take years to make changes, that is just bullshit, people use that as an excuse because they are afraid of change. Time to go back to the future, a return to the 4-3 defense.

I'll agree with the switch to a 4-3.

[Steelafan77]

well, Marvin Lewis once coached defense here years ago, and they were pretty good under his tenure...

Didn’t we get Labeau after he failed as a HC in Cincitucky? Why not Marv. He made the Ravens D. into an immovable object.

I'd take big mouth Rex Ryan or even Jack Del Rio over Lewis.

[86n96]

Vance Joseph is available... But I think that if we fire Butler, our next DC is Porter.

Ahh, yes, the legendary strategist J Peezy.

[86n96]

I'd be ok with Marv. At least he's drafted actual NFL caliber cornerbacks.

[lifelongsteel]

If Tomlin stays Marvin Lewis would be a great fit.

He can replace Munchak as adult supervision.

He's dealt with worse characters than the Steelers have

oh, and he coached one of the greatest defenses in the modern era

[the-other-burg]

If Tomlin stays Marvin Lewis would be a great fit.

He can replace Munchak as adult supervision.

He's dealt with worse characters than the Steelers have

oh, and he coached one of the greatest defenses in the modern era

Holy shit. The thought of Tomlin and Marv on the same sideline.

[Ice]

Can sign Burfuct up as a FA.

[Steelafan77]

well, Marvin Lewis once coached defense here years ago, and they were pretty good under his tenure...

Can you imagine not one but two enablers on the same coaching staff? Tomlin and Lewis together=Laurel and Hardy.... this franchise would be a worse laughingstock.

[Legacy User]

Why is Butler still on the staff?

I'm starting to get nervous.

[Legacy User]

Why is Butler still on the staff?

I'm starting to get nervous.

Yeah...me too

Maybe that Pats game saved him?

[tango_mike]

Butler is staying on.

[steelmann58]

I think Art is forcing Tomlin to keep him at this point and having him fire Porter.

[Rod & Wire Mill]

Aah...see there’s your problem. What we complain about isn’t always reality. I’d say more often than not...it isn’t.
The defense has holes, but some of these guys might not actually be as bad as the SteelerFury “experts” make them out to be. Better coaching just might bring better results...don’t ya think?

Maybe. Dunno.

Question: where have any of our defensive players gone in fa or otherwise and done well for any amount of time.

[Legacy User]

So these mother fuckers fire some low level guys as some kinda face save? Butler needs to fucking go and Tomlin too. God damn sick of this shit.

Fucking team is being destroyed.

[Suwanee88]

Lets hope they don't wait to long to do it because don't want to miss out on either Bowles or Williams.

These pussies aren’t firing Butler

[Suwanee88]

Nearly every post on this message board revolves around blaming the coaches. I’m not saying the coaches aren’t at fault for this team missing the playoffs, but is it really completely their fault for Boswell following up a pro bowl season with missing 12 kicks this year and for Ben to lead the league in interceptions?

Heresy....

Seriously though players share blame for sure. Tomlin isn't the one out on the field tackling, catching, running, throwing, kicking etc.... That said, Tomlin and his assistant coaches however are in control of how well those listed activities unfold. Why it's called coaching. Lackadaisical, complacent, overrated and arrogant is no way to go through the season.

Not me.

I’ve been putting the blame on the one guy who should get 100% of it for years. Milktoast Art.

And to think I used to get pissed at Nick79 when he would destroy Dan Rooney on this site.