Bizarre quote from Troy

[Nick79]

I need fucking bong tokes and a drink...The problem with that...Its 10 fucking AM.

What I take from it.

Troy lives his life by an extreme religious compass...He doesn't judge others.

And I agree with Troy, as bad as what Rice did, I hate the idea of crucifying him, especially since I don't believe those pounding the nails into his cross are sin free themselves.

[Legacy User]

Somebody said it. Troy is saying let he who is without sin cast the first stone, and he looks at himself and sees he's not perfect, so he doesn't judge. Now I'm sure Troy's imperfections are nowhere near Rice's, but that's the kind of humble guy Troy is.

What I take from it.

Troy lives his life by an extreme religious compass...He doesn't judge others.

Nothing more to it than this.

[Legacy User]

Good. Then stay on topic instead of hijacking threads for your own personal benefit.

I'll decide what I post, not you. Just try to be polite and not break the rules by attacking the poster, keep it civil.

To the mods: If you feel I am breaking any rules, let me know, I will comply with THE AUTHORITIES.[/quote]

I was civil in asking you to stay on topic.

You're the one that went into your 5th grader rage afterwards.

[Nick79]

Why? Because you're a fucking moron. That's why.

I forgive you my son.

No, Crosby, you weren't CIVIL, you said I'm a fucking moron.

Yes, it was after I scolded you for not MINDING YOUR OWN BUSINESS and acting like Roger Goodell, as if you are the authority tasked to police me, which you aren't.

Like you said before retaliation is not proper, even if I said something you don't like, that doesn't give you the right to as you say "act like a 5th grader" and call me a "fucking moron".

Whatever anyone else can do, I can do, I don't have to defer to anyone, even if I am seeking attention, others have no EXTRA rights that I don't have. PERIOD!

I'm done here.

[Legacy User]

If you read the whole article and all of the players quotes and all of Troy's quotes I think it's totally legitimate to toss in discussion of the punishment, and the NFL's piss-poor handling of the matter.

So I will get this off my chest- the video speaks for itself. There is no way to argue that what Ray Rice does on that video is anything remotely acceptable for any reason whatsoever. I'm not defending Ray Rice's actions there, and I don't think anyone on the Steelers is, either, by not commenting. They really don't need to say anything the man didn't say for himself through his own actions.

That said, I think you really have to address two things with that- (1) how severe a transgression was this, and (2) what, if anything mitigates it?

As to (1)- in the scope of world conduct it's about 6 or a 7 on a 10 point scale where 10 is the worst you can be. Bear in mind that half a world away there are thousands of people who actively desire to kill every American they can, who also feel that acceptable conduct towards women is raping them to ensure their souls are damned to hell, then selling them as slaves.... This doesn't make Ray Rice's woman-beating acceptable, but he's not Rae Carruth, either (yet).

As to (2)- there is just a whole bunch of shit we don't know. What is his prior history? What do any professionals think? What's his behavior been like since? Was he remorseful? These things can be argued, but in terms of what Roger Goodell and the Ravens are doing- it's apparently irrelevant because TMZ published something they most certainly knew existed all along.

And that's where I think the players are saying "hey, we didn't vote for this asshole" in the context of any broader discourse about Ray Rice. From their perspective (and it also rubs me the wrong way to a certain degree), Goodell is taking two bites of the apple- and he's doing it because TMZ went and made a bad situation even worse for not only Ray Rice (and for a second let's just say "fuck him") AND the victim. I can't imagine she really wants video of her ass getting knocked out by a man she at one point loved (and maybe still does) all over the airwaves. Maybe she does... I doubt it.

How is what Ray Rice did any different from McDonald, or here's another name that hasn't been brought up yet on this board- Greg Hardy? It's not like the police report wasn't made available to the NFL. They totally fucking knew the video was out there and chose not to ask for it, or consider it. They were willing participants in giving Ray Rice a 2nd chance. Oh, but now, now that TMZ has thrown something up there, they've changed their tune. BTW- Greg Hardy and MacDonald played last Sunday.

The NFL and the Ravens are legally entitled to do whatever the fuck they want. That doesn't mean they've chosen to be equitable or that they treated Ray Rice fairly or proportionately. In all likelihood, Hardy and MacDonald will, at worst, get 6 game suspensions as first offenders simply because no one caught them on tape. And that's fucked up.

[Legacy User]

Why? Because you're a fucking moron. That's why.

I forgive you my son.

No, Crosby, you weren't CIVIL, you said I'm a fucking moron.

Yes, it was after I scolded you for not MINDING YOUR OWN BUSINESS and acting like Roger Goodell, as if you are the authority tasked to police me, which you aren't.

Like you said before retaliation is not proper, even if I said something you don't like, that doesn't give you the right to as you say "act like a 5th grader" and call me a "fucking moron".

Whatever anyone else can do, I can do, I don't have to defer to anyone, even if I am seeking attention, others have no EXTRA rights that I don't have. PERIOD!

I'm done here.

I called you a moron after you flipped out.

My initial post was exactly this:

Nobody in this thread even hinted at the NFL's punishment of Rice. This is purely about Troy's quote about Ray.

Quit trolling.

See? No name calling. No bullying. Just asking you to stay on topic.

[Legacy User]

Good post Jones. Ill give my .02 cents and ill also for the record what rice did was horrific and wrong and shouldn't be condoned. From a competitive advantage and Steelers centric point of view I like to see the Ravens go thru this shitstorm just before we play them. However when it comes to the actual handling of this situation wow the Nfl, Goodlell and the Ravens really dropped the ball.

From 1 extreme to the other, 2 games (way not enough) to seemingly forever (way too harsh).

I am shocked this morning (well not really) that Goodell still has a job. He should be fired immediately but he wont because hes made the owners a shit pile of money.

As for Rice, I agree with Jones, does he have any prior transgressions? Is this a 1st time situation as horrific as it was. Is it just me or wouldn't say a 1 yr suspension with community work/mandatory counselling for him and hopefully his wife be better in the long run. Very dangerous precedent the nfl is making here.

Just my .02 cents but I feel like Rice should be punished and punished sufficiently but he should be allowed to get help and get another chance imho.

[Legacy User]

I wish there would have been audio to this whole thing, both seem to be in the wrong. That does not make punching a women the correct thing to do, but a women shouldnt hit a man either. With that being said if Rice worked at a bank, or office job would have he lost his job. If Rice's wife hit him only and she was a nurse would have she lost her job. I always tell my grown kids that whole world see's what you do today so keep it safe.

[Legacy User]

I wonder if anybody asked Cam Thomas his opinion about this.

[Nick79]

I called you a moron after you flipped out.

My initial post was exactly this:

Nobody in this thread even hinted at the NFL's punishment of Rice. This is purely about Troy's quote about Ray.

Quit trolling.

See? No name calling. No bullying. Just asking you to stay on topic.

But again, WHO ARE YOU to try to police me and decide if my post is on or off topic, it's not your job, so stop doing it.

[Nick79]

Good post Jones. Ill give my .02 cents and ill also for the record what rice did was horrific and wrong and shouldn't be condoned. From a competitive advantage and Steelers centric point of view I like to see the Ravens go thru this shitstorm just before we play them. However when it comes to the actual handling of this situation wow the Nfl, Goodlell and the Ravens really dropped the ball.

From 1 extreme to the other, 2 games (way not enough) to seemingly forever (way too harsh).

I am shocked this morning (well not really) that Goodell still has a job. He should be fired immediately but he wont because hes made the owners a shit pile of money.

As for Rice, I agree with Jones, does he have any prior transgressions? Is this a 1st time situation as horrific as it was. Is it just me or wouldn't say a 1 yr suspension with community work/mandatory counselling for him and hopefully his wife be better in the long run. Very dangerous precedent the nfl is making here.

Just my .02 cents but I feel like Rice should be punished and punished sufficiently but he should be allowed to get help and get another chance imho.

AGREE^^

[K_C_]

I'm not sure how it's a "dangerous precedent."

Asshole Goodell has already outlined the future penalties for domestic violence and Rice is now the poster boy.

When you blast your woman with a left hook and the video surfaces, you simply gotta bend over (ala Ned Beatty) and take your ass raping. When this dies down, in a year or so, you'll start hearing things like; "It's time to give Ray Rice a second chance".

Until that time rolls around, Ray Rice needs to shut the fuck up, go to counseling on his own or with his woman (on his dime) and do everything possible not to get into any further trouble.

The problem is that Ray Rice is already nearly 30 years old and he was already losing his effectiveness as a RB.

Either way, he's pretty much fucked.

[Nick79]

When you blast your woman with a left hook and the video surfaces, you simply gotta bend over (ala Ned Beatty) and take your ass raping.

What about players in other sports, like MLB, NBA, NHL? They either get a pass for this, or never, ever do such a thing, because you don't hear about those leagues suspending people?

[Legacy User]

When you blast your woman with a left hook and the video surfaces, you simply gotta bend over (ala Ned Beatty) and take your ass raping.

What about players in other sports, like MLB, NBA, NHL? They either get a pass for this, or never, ever do such a thing, because you don't hear about those leagues suspending people?

Please share the videos of other sports' stars punching their girlfriends, fiancée or wife.

Thanks

[K_C_]

When you blast your woman with a left hook and the video surfaces, you simply gotta bend over (ala Ned Beatty) and take your ass raping.

What about players in other sports, like MLB, NBA, NHL? They either get a pass for this, or never, ever do such a thing, because you don't hear about those leagues suspending people?

Show me the video.

The video in this case CHANGED EVERYTHING.

Immediately.

[Nick79]

When you blast your woman with a left hook and the video surfaces, you simply gotta bend over (ala Ned Beatty) and take your ass raping.

What about players in other sports, like MLB, NBA, NHL? They either get a pass for this, or never, ever do such a thing, because you don't hear about those leagues suspending people?

Please share the videos of other sports' stars punching their girlfriends, fiancée or wife.

Thanks

I mean in general, don't any of their players commit crimes, get a DUI, smoke some weed, have domestic abuse issues? None? Ever? You'd think that, it's never in the news. Or maybe they just ignore it. Every once in a while you hear stories about players in these other sports getting arested for something, but it's never followed up with a story about what their league is going to do to them.

[Legacy User]

And look at that.

A thread started to talk about a Troy quote has now degraded into the exact same NFL punishment argument that is already going in multiple other threads.

Wonder whose fault that is...

[Nick79]

When you blast your woman with a left hook and the video surfaces, you simply gotta bend over (ala Ned Beatty) and take your ass raping.

What about players in other sports, like MLB, NBA, NHL? They either get a pass for this, or never, ever do such a thing, because you don't hear about those leagues suspending people?

Show me the video.

The video in this case CHANGED EVERYTHING.

Immediately.

Why? The video shows he punched her. They already new that, so why should a better view of that change the punishment? That's just stupid. That's why the NFL needs a legal process where there must be precise steps to be followed for convictions, appeals, you name it... LEGAL PROCESS!!! Not this touchy/feely "I'm outraged" now GARBAGE, based on NONSENSE like "feelings".

[Nick79]

And look at that.

A thread started to talk about a Troy quote has now degraded into the exact same NFL punishment argument that is already going in multiple other threads.

Wonder whose fault that is...

That is none of your business, you have no authority here.

[Legacy User]

Nick...

Please let us help you.

This video is key.

This isn't accusation, he said she said bullshit....this is caught on camera violence against women.

Come on man. You can see the difference, right?

[Smashmouth21]

The video in this case CHANGED EVERYTHING.

Immediately.

Why? The video shows he punched her. They already new that, so why should a better view of that change the punishment? That's just stupid. That's why the NFL needs a legal process where there must be precise steps to be followed for convictions, appeals, you name it... LEGAL PROCESS!!! Not this touchy/feely "I'm outraged" now GARBAGE, based on NONSENSE like "feelings".

A picture is worth a thousand words. Imagery like that can never be forgotten.

[Legacy User]

Fucking exhausting.

[Gonzo]

It's Buddhist stuff from Troy

[Legacy User]

And look at that.

A thread started to talk about a Troy quote has now degraded into the exact same NFL punishment argument that is already going in multiple other threads.

Wonder whose fault that is...

That is none of your business, you have no authority here.

Neither do you. So don't bother telling me to stop.

[Nick79]

The video in this case CHANGED EVERYTHING.

Immediately.

Why? The video shows he punched her. They already new that, so why should a better view of that change the punishment? That's just stupid. That's why the NFL needs a legal process where there must be precise steps to be followed for convictions, appeals, you name it... LEGAL PROCESS!!! Not this touchy/feely "I'm outraged" now GARBAGE, based on NONSENSE like "feelings".

A picture is worth a thousand words. Imagery like that can never be forgotten.

So what? the crime is the crime, changing the punishment is like double jopardy, it's wrong, they need a process not just a whim, like "Oh I'm shocked, need to punish him more now because I feel like it".

[Nick79]

And look at that.

A thread started to talk about a Troy quote has now degraded into the exact same NFL punishment argument that is already going in multiple other threads.

Wonder whose fault that is...

That is none of your business, you have no authority here.

Neither do you. So don't bother telling me to stop.

I won't tell you to stop, and I also won't stop what I'm doing, EVER.

[Smashmouth21]

Nick: You're not the boss of me!

Crosby: Yeah? Well, you're not the boss of me either!!!

Please see how ridiculously juvenile this is and just stop. Yesterday.

[Legacy User]

This thread will be gone shortly.

[Legacy User]

It's Buddhist stuff from Troy

More like Orthodox Christian. We all know that Troy is a sincerely devout Orthodox Christian. I imagine he takes quite seriously the notion that all human beings are "fallen" and flawed.

[K_C_]

So what? the crime is the crime, changing the punishment is like double jopardy, it's wrong, they need a process not just a whim, like "Oh I'm shocked, need to punish him more now because I feel like it".

They don't need a "process" actually.

Playing in the NFL is a privilege. It's not a God-given right.

Teams are owned by billionaires and the billionaires hire the guy who hands down the punishment.

They can pretty much do whatever they want.

....and the video outraged the public like a motherfucker, the public pays the bills and the league acted quickly to placate the public.

It isn't rocket science.