John Harbaugh and Sean Payton to both be fired?

[Obviously]

Fire Belichick too! He lost at home to the Titans as well!

[955876]

Very interesting that Jibba-Jabba could be found in the "urban dictionary."

Also interesting it was a kids toy.

As I said, both definitions fit the wordsmiff

[955876]

These jokers who think Harbaugh is obviously better than Tomlin need badly to re-examine their interpretive tools and standards.

Quality post TB!

Harbaugh removed his long-time QB mid-season last year, changed the offense mid-season as well to suit new QB and promptly went on a run to make the postseason.

Then this year went 14-2.

Sure they lost last night.

But can you honestly say that Tomlin could have made that extreme of a change on the fly like that with similair success?

We’ve had to listen all season how hamstrung the offense was because it was tailored to Ben.

What Harbaugh did with Jackson was impressive. Loss last night aside.

[955876]

I've been a Tomlin critic for a long time...wanted him gone about five years ago. And yes, now that he's been mentioned, I would take Mike McCarthy over Tomlin in a heartbeat.

I don't think the question is how Tomlin compares to Harbaugh, Payton, though both are better and not even close, and not about their losing playoff games, one with a HOF QB, one with a running back as QB.

To me...my major issue with Tomlin is that he's a Gameday Dumbfuck. On the order of..."If we know this shit, why the FUCK doesn't he??" '95 continues, with good reason, to reference last year's Oakland game. That's inex-fuckin'-splicable dumbfuckery right there!!

And this year, lot of all about the QB play, protections, etc. But...Steelers win that Buffalo game and they're in the playoffs...and in that game, we have the Bills 3rd & 18, 3rd & 9....previous week Ravens blitz the shit outta Josh Allen, who has accuracy issues, next week Patriots do same, both with enormous success. What do Steelers do? Sit back in the mother-fuckin' zone, allow this guy to sustain drives, throw TD passes...both situations result in touchdowns for the Bills....3rd & 18, 4th & 6, 3rd &9, Bills convert that into 14 of their 17 points that game.

It's the gameday dumbfuckedness that's my biggest problem with Tomlin....always has been.

Highly doubt Vrabel, Harbaugh or Payton would have watched all the time (and only real chance of winning) if the Raiders score tick off the clock while have TWO timeouts in pocket then try to explain it away that he was trying to put “time pressure” on his opponent.

An opponent that also had their own time out and was wisely choosing not to use it.

I keep harping the point because it was a huge factor in the loss as well as the type of game day dumbfuckery that typically cost us a game or two each year.

And thus, costing a bye or the playoffs all together.

That’s why he’s a poor coach. But yay he’s good at motivating professionals.

[tbsteel]

How’d Dumblin do in the playoffs this season?

Harbaugh missed the playoffs three straight seasons from '15-'17. Including a year where he went 5-11.

I'm sure you and all the other fire 'em all crew would have been perfectly fine with that if he were coaching the Steelers. You wouldn't have been screaming what an idiot he is every other topic, demanding he be fired every day of the offseason, going on and on about a total housecleaning and how we should start from scratch those three long offseasons, there wouldn't be any insanely witty nicknames like Cuntbaugh or Jimdumb getting passed around. No way. Not a chance. Oh hell no.

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[tbsteel]

Let's add Andy Reid to the list. His team has completely choked at home, already down 21-0. Look completely scared and unprepared. This is his seventh season with the Chiefs and he's got 2 whole playoff wins to show for it, with one of those over the Brian Hoyer led Texans. Can't see any way how it's defensible he's brought back with the standards we have for head coaches. Do you guys think he'll be fired before or after the final whistle?

[Professor Half Wit]

Let's add Andy Reid to the list. His team has completely choked at home, already down 21-0. Look completely scared and unprepared. This is his seventh season with the Chiefs and he's got 2 whole playoff wins to show for it, with one of those over the Brian Hoyer led Texans. Can't see any way how it's defensible he's brought back with the standards we have for head coaches. Do you guys think he'll be fired before or after the final whistle?

I have been told by several posters that what other coaches do is irrelevant in their assessment of Tomlin.

[tbsteel]

Let's add Andy Reid to the list. His team has completely choked at home, already down 21-0. Look completely scared and unprepared. This is his seventh season with the Chiefs and he's got 2 whole playoff wins to show for it, with one of those over the Brian Hoyer led Texans. Can't see any way how it's defensible he's brought back with the standards we have for head coaches. Do you guys think he'll be fired before or after the final whistle?

I have been told by several posters that what other coaches do is irrelevant in their assessment of Tomlin.

It's the same thing with Colbert and the draft. It doesn't matter what the rest of the league is doing or what the average NFL draft realistically brings in to some. They'll post lists of all his picks and go "der, look at this draft, we only got two players worth a damn and had 8 picks. Fire his ass."

That's why I still say Mike Trout is an overrated piece of shit. All the talking heads go on and on about how skilled he is and how productive he is... shyeah, the motherfucker couldn't even get a hit in over 7 out of every 10 at bats last season. And this guy is supposed to be good? Lol okay.

[El Kabong]

Let's add Andy Reid to the list. His team has completely choked at home, already down 21-0. Look completely scared and unprepared. This is his seventh season with the Chiefs and he's got 2 whole playoff wins to show for it, with one of those over the Brian Hoyer led Texans. Can't see any way how it's defensible he's brought back with the standards we have for head coaches. Do you guys think he'll be fired before or after the final whistle?

I have been told by several posters that what other coaches do is irrelevant in their assessment of Tomlin.

How convenient for them.

[El Kabong]

I am comfortable that if we judge Payton, Harbaugh, and now Reid by the same standards we judge Tomlin that all of them should be fired.

[955876]

I love this simplistic thinking. Because coach A lost a game or missed the playoffs it excuses coach B from any responsibly for their own shortcomings.



Unless somebody is going to breakdown the how's & why’s over specific games or entire seasons then it matters not why Payton might have failed 3 years ago or Harbaugh lost yesterday.

What we all have seen and do know are numerous gaffs Tomlin has made with many of them being fully in his control.

Oakland last year is a perfect example. Lost almost entirely due to horrible in game decisions that were entirely his to make.



The reasons matter. They tell the story.

Not this simplistic welp “A” lost too so “B” is off the hook now.

Nonsense.

[tunch]

I am comfortable that if we judge Payton, Harbaugh, and now Reid by the same standards we judge Tomlin that all of them should be fired.

Lol

I'd also like to meet a Ravens fan that thought 14-2 and the #1 seed was in play this season. After all, they ended last season booing their quarterback off the field.

[El Kabong]

I am comfortable that if we judge Payton, Harbaugh, and now Reid by the same standards we judge Tomlin that all of them should be fired.

Lol

I'd also like to meet a Ravens fan that thought 14-2 and the #1 seed was in play this season. After all, they ended last season booing their quarterback off the field.

Yes, Reid has won his game comfortably.

Yes, football fans can often be unreasonable, don't you think?

[955876]

Still not sure where Tomlin stands after today. He was a good coach earlier because well, Reid was down 21-0.

Then Reid’s team went on a 51-10 run and will end up in their second straight AFCCG.

So is it ok to be critical of Jibbs now that we can’t look at some other coach and say but oh look, he blew it too??

Reid, Harbaugh, Payton etc etc certainly have their flaws. All coaches do.

Problem with MANY of Tomlin’s warts are that they are so obvious and easily correctable.

Duh, not calling a TO in Oakland.

Time pressure babaaay....

[tunch]

Still not sure where Tomlin stands after today. He was a good coach earlier because well, Reid was down 21-0.

Then Reid’s team went on a 51-10 run and will end up in their second straight AFCCG.

So is it ok to be critical of Jibbs now that we can’t look at some other coach and say but oh look, he blew it too??

Reid, Harbaugh, Payton etc etc certainly have their flaws. All coaches do.

Problem with MANY of Tomlin’s warts are that they are so obvious and easily correctable.

Duh, not calling a TO in Oakland.

Time pressure babaaay....

Andy Reid is interesting because he still has his fat head up his fat ass wrt game management but he's such a good offensive coach that it might not matter now that he has a real QB.

He's never going to correct his clear errors but, unlike secondary guru Mike Tomlin, Reid clearly brings something to the table. What would Reid have cooked up with the 2017-2018 offensive roster?

Here's a piece trying to apologize for Andy Reid regularly kneecapping his squads with his poor decisions:

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/1/10 ... ton-texans

[COR-TEN]

Context matters. Also, information of what happens with the team - behind the scenes. Much of which is unknown to everybody outside the facility or the locker room. Deciding his worth based on what you see for three hours every sunday is simplistic thinking.

[Jobu]

Context matters. Also, information of what happens with the team - behind the scenes. Much of which is unknown to everybody outside the facility or the locker room. Deciding his worth based on what you see for three hours every sunday is simplistic thinking.

There is some truth to that, but the bottom line is that NFL coaches get paid to win football games.
I don’t care how well, or poorly, a guy runs all the other aspects of his program, his fate will ultimately come down to the results of those three hours on Sunday.

[Donnie Brasco]

Let's add Andy Reid to the list. His team has completely choked at home, already down 21-0. Look completely scared and unprepared. This is his seventh season with the Chiefs and he's got 2 whole playoff wins to show for it, with one of those over the Brian Hoyer led Texans. Can't see any way how it's defensible he's brought back with the standards we have for head coaches. Do you guys think he'll be fired before or after the final whistle?

I have been told by several posters that what other coaches do is irrelevant in their assessment of Tomlin.

How convenient for them.

Different rosters can make for nuance.

Do you think Mike Tomlin wins against Belicheck in the SB a couple years ago coaching the Eagles?

I mean the aggressiveness and game management going on there was a clinic. Eagles get smoked if Tomlin coaches them

[Jobu]

Let's add Andy Reid to the list. His team has completely choked at home, already down 21-0. Look completely scared and unprepared. This is his seventh season with the Chiefs and he's got 2 whole playoff wins to show for it, with one of those over the Brian Hoyer led Texans. Can't see any way how it's defensible he's brought back with the standards we have for head coaches. Do you guys think he'll be fired before or after the final whistle?

I have been told by several posters that what other coaches do is irrelevant in their assessment of Tomlin.

How convenient for them.

OK...fair enough. I have an open mind...explain to me how and why what Sean Payton or John Harbaugh have done is relevant to how well Mike Tomlin does his job.

[Professor Half Wit]

I have been told by several posters that what other coaches do is irrelevant in their assessment of Tomlin.

How convenient for them.

OK...fair enough. I have an open mind...explain to me how and why what Sean Payton or John Harbaugh have done is relevant to how well Mike Tomlin does his job.

Isn't the rationale that unless we're holding all coaches to a single and adequate standard, then it's all subjective BS? And If we are going to hold coaches to the same standard, then it makes sense to see how well various coaches meet or fall short of the standard in order to rank them in terms of merit? To say Tomlin is a shitty coach is meaningless if he is not compared to other coaches and held to the same standard they are. This would be like saying Hussain Bolt isn't fast enough for one's liking and when told he is awfully fast compared to others to respond that you do not care how fast others are or what techniques they use when running.

Speaking of what others think, I was luxuriating in the Ravens hasty playoff exit by reading some Ravens forums. I found it very interesting to read a lot of comments lamenting that this year feels particularly squandered because there is an expectation that Pittsburgh will be right back in the North hunt next year. I don't think Ravens fans realize how precarious our skill position and o line talent is, but many of them don't expect Pittsburgh to be a doormat next year when Ben returns.

[swissvale72]

I'm actually feeling pretty good about both skill positions and o-line. I think o-line will be much better with Ben back, and I'm feeling good about the Johnson, Washington, Smith-Schuster triumvirate. Running back? We'll see if James Conner can stay healthy....but I'm good with Benny Snell and the others.

[K_C_]

I'm actually feeling pretty good about both skill positions and o-line. I think o-line will be much better with Ben back, and I'm feeling good about the Johnson, Washington, Smith-Schuster triumvirate. Running back? We'll see if James Conner can stay healthy....but I'm good with Benny Snell and the others.

Benny Snell is the epitome of average. In an age where there are some fantastic RB's in this league, we're in trouble if he's our feature back for an extended period.

Just gotta hope Conner can stay healthy for once, if the Steelers don't address the position in the draft.

[COR-TEN]

I'm actually feeling pretty good about both skill positions and o-line. I think o-line will be much better with Ben back, and I'm feeling good about the Johnson, Washington, Smith-Schuster triumvirate. Running back? We'll see if James Conner can stay healthy....but I'm good with Benny Snell and the others.

Benny Snell is the epitome of average. In an age where there are some fantastic RB's in this league, we're in trouble if he's our feature back for an extended period.

Just gotta hope Conner can stay healthy for once, if the Steelers don't address the position in the draft.

Conner did well at the beginning of the season when most of the team was optimistic MR or duck could play QB. Then defenses started to key on the running game. That didn't bode well for steelers RB's. Not to mention shitty play calling. I'm guessing even bell wouldn't have done any better than he did in NY.

[Jobu]

How convenient for them.

OK...fair enough. I have an open mind...explain to me how and why what Sean Payton or John Harbaugh have done is relevant to how well Mike Tomlin does his job.

Isn't the rationale that unless we're holding all coaches to a single and adequate standard, then it's all subjective BS? And If we are going to hold coaches to the same standard, then it makes sense to see how well various coaches meet or fall short of the standard in order to rank them in terms of merit? To say Tomlin is a shitty coach is meaningless if he is not compared to other coaches and held to the same standard they are. This would be like saying Hussain Bolt isn't fast enough for one's liking and when told he is awfully fast compared to others to respond that you do not care how fast others are or what techniques they use when running.

Speaking of what others think, I was luxuriating in the Ravens hasty playoff exit by reading some Ravens forums. I found it very interesting to read a lot of comments lamenting that this year feels particularly squandered because there is an expectation that Pittsburgh will be right back in the North hunt next year. I don't think Ravens fans realize how precarious our skill position and o line talent is, but many of them don't expect Pittsburgh to be a doormat next year when Ben returns.

I don’t know Lit. I just think that Mike Tomlin should be judged on how well HE does HIS job, not compared to how Harbaugh does his. He is either good at what he does or isn’t. How he compares to his peers should be irrelevant. Just because Harbaugh or Payton aren’t as good as they once were shouldn’t give Tomlin a pass. IMO, Tomlin just isn’t very good, how he stacks up to others shouldn’t be a factor. There is always someone out there that can do your job better...
Just curious...were any of the Rats fans on those forums calling for Harbaugh’s head?
As for Usain Bolt...I can look at the stopwatch at the end of his race that tells me he was better than his competitors.

I agree about the prospects for the 2020 Steelers...a lot of holes, ifs, and question marks. Should be interesting, if nothing else.

[K_C_]

I'm actually feeling pretty good about both skill positions and o-line. I think o-line will be much better with Ben back, and I'm feeling good about the Johnson, Washington, Smith-Schuster triumvirate. Running back? We'll see if James Conner can stay healthy....but I'm good with Benny Snell and the others.

Benny Snell is the epitome of average. In an age where there are some fantastic RB's in this league, we're in trouble if he's our feature back for an extended period.

Just gotta hope Conner can stay healthy for once, if the Steelers don't address the position in the draft.

Conner did well at the beginning of the season when most of the team was optimistic MR or duck could play QB. Then defenses started to key on the running game. That didn't bode well for steelers RB's. Not to mention shitty play calling. I'm guessing even bell wouldn't have done any better than he did in NY.

I disagree. L.A. knew fully well Duck wasn't going to be throwing much at all downfield in his first ever start and we still beat the fuck out of the Chargers because Conner was unstoppable both in the running game and in the short passing/screen game.

When his fragile ass got broke again, the running game/short passing game went to shit.

I believe Samuels was used incorrectly last season (he should be on the field in 4 or 5 WR sets in the slot, or in the backfield preferably with another RB where he can be used as both a runner and a receiver) and Snell just has one gear. He's average. Not terrible at all, but very far from special. Conner, when healthy, is pretty special.

The Steelers need a special back that can stay on the field. Hope they get him this April.

[El Kabong]

How convenient for them.

OK...fair enough. I have an open mind...explain to me how and why what Sean Payton or John Harbaugh have done is relevant to how well Mike Tomlin does his job.

Isn't the rationale that unless we're holding all coaches to a single and adequate standard, then it's all subjective BS? And If we are going to hold coaches to the same standard, then it makes sense to see how well various coaches meet or fall short of the standard in order to rank them in terms of merit? To say Tomlin is a shitty coach is meaningless if he is not compared to other coaches and held to the same standard they are. This would be like saying Hussain Bolt isn't fast enough for one's liking and when told he is awfully fast compared to others to respond that you do not care how fast others are or what techniques they use when running.

Speaking of what others think, I was luxuriating in the Ravens hasty playoff exit by reading some Ravens forums. I found it very interesting to read a lot of comments lamenting that this year feels particularly squandered because there is an expectation that Pittsburgh will be right back in the North hunt next year. I don't think Ravens fans realize how precarious our skill position and o line talent is, but many of them don't expect Pittsburgh to be a doormat next year when Ben returns.

Stated more eloquently than I would have. Thank you.

[El Kabong]

I'm actually feeling pretty good about both skill positions and o-line. I think o-line will be much better with Ben back, and I'm feeling good about the Johnson, Washington, Smith-Schuster triumvirate. Running back? We'll see if James Conner can stay healthy....but I'm good with Benny Snell and the others.

YOU are feeling good about the Steelers' skill positions now??????

[K_C_]

How’d Dumblin do in the playoffs this season?

Harbaugh missed the playoffs three straight seasons from '15-'17. Including a year where he went 5-11.

I'm sure you and all the other fire 'em all crew would have been perfectly fine with that if he were coaching the Steelers. You wouldn't have been screaming what an idiot he is every other topic, demanding he be fired every day of the offseason, going on and on about a total housecleaning and how we should start from scratch those three long offseasons, there wouldn't be any insanely witty nicknames like Cuntbaugh or Jimdumb getting passed around. No way. Not a chance. Oh hell no.

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You work so hard in your defense of Mikey.

It's so cute.

Next year, when we miss the playoffs again, you'll write more loving tributes to the brainless fuck.

...and it'll be cute then too.



"I know Dumblin can't even make the playoffs anymore, but Harbaugh missed the playoffs like 3 years ago!!!"

[tbsteel]

All I want is Tomlin to be judged the same as his peers. If that's a loving tribute so be it.

[Pabst]

All I want is Tomlin to be judged the same as his peers. If that's a loving tribute so be it.

In 2017, people on this site were saying Tomlin's regular season success was irrelevant because he kept coming up short in the post season.

Those same people in 2019 are excusing John Harbaugh (of all people) because of his regular season success.

It's shameless.