Gilmore trade a possibility?

[K_C_]

Funny….even with a talented team Tomlin finds ways to fuck things up

Expecting him to take a less talented/less experienced team and transform them into a playoff contender is laughable

Dude flat out sucks as a HC

Total fraud

BINGO.

With this squad, against a weak schedule, I could see Cool Shades stumbling to a 9-8 or 10-7 year. IF Ben stays healthy (he won't) and the o-line plays surprisingly well.

This year, we're playing contenders virtually weekly. Mikey T is going to wish he retired after the embarrassment of the 2020 season.

[SteelerDayTrader]

If you’re not optimistic in July.....it’s YOU who has issues

Balt has a QB they refused to allow reporters to film throwing the ball at OTAs....lol

Cleve has pinned there hopes on a 6ft QB

Cin has already begun to wreck Burrow

Who is there in the AFC that’s WAY better than the Steelers ??

Maybe KC.....but Mahomes isn’t unbeatable

I don’t see a huge weak spot on the Steelers and that’s a big change from last year when the OL and RB looked real bad going in

I’m sure the Steelers are gonna blow some games....but this idea that Ben and the Steelers are done has little merit at this point

[Ice]

Funny….even with a talented team Tomlin finds ways to fuck things up

Expecting him to take a less talented/less experienced team and transform them into a playoff contender is laughable

Dude flat out sucks as a HC

Total fraud

BINGO.

With this squad, against a weak schedule, I could see Cool Shades stumbling to a 9-8 or 10-7 year. IF Ben stays healthy (he won't) and the o-line plays surprisingly well.

This year, we're playing contenders virtually weekly. Mikey T is going to wish he retired after the embarrassment of the 2020 season.

Aaaaand it's another Tomlin thread, ladies and gentlemen...

[SteelerDayTrader]

And if it’s gonna be ALL about Tomlin

Who is better ???

Reid ??? Eagles fans still have nightmares
Belicheat ??? Boy the shine fell off that poison apple pretty quickly didn’t it ??
Harbaugh ??? Lololz

I’m not saying Tomlin is great.....but if you think he is much different any other top tier HC you don’t watch much football

When things are rolling the HC looks great

When they aren’t he couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a bag of Franklins

[K_C_]

Funny….even with a talented team Tomlin finds ways to fuck things up

Expecting him to take a less talented/less experienced team and transform them into a playoff contender is laughable

Dude flat out sucks as a HC

Total fraud

BINGO.

With this squad, against a weak schedule, I could see Cool Shades stumbling to a 9-8 or 10-7 year. IF Ben stays healthy (he won't) and the o-line plays surprisingly well.

This year, we're playing contenders virtually weekly. Mikey T is going to wish he retired after the embarrassment of the 2020 season.

Aaaaand it's another Tomlin thread, ladies and gentlemen...

Coaches get the glory when things go great and coaches get the criticism and hatred when shit goes south.

I know how badly you want to protect this fraud, so keep at it.

Some will actually buy that horseshit.

[K_C_]

And if it’s gonna be ALL about Tomlin

Who is better ???

Reid ??? Eagles fans still have nightmares
Belicheat ??? Boy the shine fell off that poison apple pretty quickly didn’t it ??
Harbaugh ??? Lololz

I’m saying Tomlin is great.....but if you think he is much different any other top tier HC you don’t watch much football

When things are rolling the HC looks great

When they aren’t he couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a bag of Franklins

Reid's been in the Super Bowl the last 2 years and has a win.

Belichick has established himself as the greatest of all time.

Harbaugh won a playoff game last season with a QB 99% of this place believes sucks.

Mike Tomlin got his ass handed to him...again. At home....again. But this time, he was DOMINATED by....wait for it....Baker Mayfield and the Browns.

The Browns who didn't even fucking have their head coach.

[Jobu]

BINGO.

With this squad, against a weak schedule, I could see Cool Shades stumbling to a 9-8 or 10-7 year. IF Ben stays healthy (he won't) and the o-line plays surprisingly well.

This year, we're playing contenders virtually weekly. Mikey T is going to wish he retired after the embarrassment of the 2020 season.

Aaaaand it's another Tomlin thread, ladies and gentlemen...

Coaches get the glory when things go great and coaches get the criticism and hatred when shit goes south.

I know how badly you want to protect this fraud, so keep at it.

Some will actually buy that horseshit.

Naaa…pretty sure most, not all, but most have seen through the Tomlin bullshit a long time ago.
I think pretty much everyone was on board early on, and he bought himself a pretty good grace period. But the fact is that he’s been ordinary for quite a few years now. Only in the Steelers organization does that buy one a three year extension because “ never had a losing season”, and “ three head coaches in 50 years” are the shiny participation trophies that are trotted out week after week.

[Ice]

BINGO.

With this squad, against a weak schedule, I could see Cool Shades stumbling to a 9-8 or 10-7 year. IF Ben stays healthy (he won't) and the o-line plays surprisingly well.

This year, we're playing contenders virtually weekly. Mikey T is going to wish he retired after the embarrassment of the 2020 season.

Aaaaand it's another Tomlin thread, ladies and gentlemen...

Coaches get the glory when things go great and coaches get the criticism and hatred when shit goes south.

I know how badly you want to protect this fraud, so keep at it.

Some will actually buy that horseshit.

Not really in either camp, man. He's got some pluses, he's got some minuses. As passionate, invested fans, we probably see more minuses than the rest of the fan base. I'm just pointing out that maybe, just maybe, every thread doesn't have to be about Mike Tomlin by halfway through page two?

Reid did pretty well pre-Mahomes, but nothing terribly spectacular, and trust me, Philly fans were happy to see him go. Belichick without Brady? Not so good. Up until LJ came to town, Harbs was on the hot seat in Baltimore, too. Carroll is almost analogous to Tomlin, in that he's consistently had Wilson to bail him out when the water gets choppy. I'll agree with STD. He's a fringe top tier coach, and I'd put him right around the Pete Carroll level.

[Roeth2Rudolph]

Tomlin is more of a fringe bottom tier coach. Without Colbert, he wouldn't have been able to wring the remaining wins out of Cowher's team the way that he did.

[SteelerDayTrader]

A lot of you don’t watch much other than Steeler games

I think the Tomlin Carroll comparison is apt

[COR-TEN]

You know I find it "amusing" all the optimism for a team with an "aging" QB that has won exactly 3 playoff games in 11 years, with the aging QB in his PRIME, yet now that he is close to the end they may compete. God bless all you optimists as an a side FORZA AZZURI

Well, it's not just about the QB, it's about the rest of the team too. Over those 11 years, the defense mostly sucked. We're hoping for a more balanced team this year.

I would say in the NFL it is usually all about the QB, some anomalies aside. Last year the defense was close to elite, did not make much of a difference. Anyhoo dont want to be a Debbie Downer but as well documented I am bearish on the team's prospects. I just think objectivity is warranted, the unbridled enthusiasm seems naïve to me.

Unbridled enthusiasm? Nope. But how can you be objective if you're bearish? It seems arrogant and overconfident to say BR or the team is washed up. Especially with the perfect storm that was inflicted upon the team the last year. Injuries, C19 scheduling, an incompetent OC, and a deteriorating O line that was pure dogshit the last third of the season. Oh, and BR coming off of serious elbow surgery. It's not nearly as bad as you and K C are suggesting, imo. Get to the playoffs and anything can happen. Even if that means a 9-7 record.

There's no reason one can't be optimistic and realistic/ pragmatic at the same time. But being pessimistic doesn't seem like the right state of mind to go into the season as a fan. You'll enjoy yourself more if you have an open mind at every kick off instead of betwetting before the team walks onto the field.

[K_C_]

Get to the playoffs and anything can happen

By "anything", you mean "get absolutely OWNED in Heinz Field by the likes of Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield", right?

[K_C_]

Aaaaand it's another Tomlin thread, ladies and gentlemen...

Coaches get the glory when things go great and coaches get the criticism and hatred when shit goes south.

I know how badly you want to protect this fraud, so keep at it.

Some will actually buy that horseshit.

Not really in either camp, man. He's got some pluses, he's got some minuses. As passionate, invested fans, we probably see more minuses than the rest of the fan base. I'm just pointing out that maybe, just maybe, every thread doesn't have to be about Mike Tomlin by halfway through page two?

Reid did pretty well pre-Mahomes, but nothing terribly spectacular, and trust me, Philly fans were happy to see him go. Belichick without Brady? Not so good. Up until LJ came to town, Harbs was on the hot seat in Baltimore, too. Carroll is almost analogous to Tomlin, in that he's consistently had Wilson to bail him out when the water gets choppy. I'll agree with STD. He's a fringe top tier coach, and I'd put him right around the Pete Carroll level.

The Tomlin conversations after this upcoming season are going to be something to behold.

I cannot wait to see what coaches he's compared to going into the 2022 season. If he doesn't retire.

[Ice]

I mean, if you really look at it, MT and PC really do match up. Player's coach, little loose with discipline, tendency to "go with gut" in big moments, good with media, play games a little too close to the vest, whiff on OC hires, over-rely on franchise QB... my buddy's wife is a Hawks fan, and her complaints sound like a Steelerfury remix sometimes.

[El Kabong]

Coaches get the glory when things go great and coaches get the criticism and hatred when shit goes south.

I know how badly you want to protect this fraud, so keep at it.

Some will actually buy that horseshit.

Not really in either camp, man. He's got some pluses, he's got some minuses. As passionate, invested fans, we probably see more minuses than the rest of the fan base. I'm just pointing out that maybe, just maybe, every thread doesn't have to be about Mike Tomlin by halfway through page two?

Reid did pretty well pre-Mahomes, but nothing terribly spectacular, and trust me, Philly fans were happy to see him go. Belichick without Brady? Not so good. Up until LJ came to town, Harbs was on the hot seat in Baltimore, too. Carroll is almost analogous to Tomlin, in that he's consistently had Wilson to bail him out when the water gets choppy. I'll agree with STD. He's a fringe top tier coach, and I'd put him right around the Pete Carroll level.

The Tomlin conversations after this upcoming season are going to be something to behold.

I cannot wait to see what coaches he's compared to going into the 2022 season. If he doesn't retire.

Nah. This season isn't going to be as bad as you keep saying it will.

[Roeth2Rudolph]

Get to the playoffs and anything can happen

By "anything", you mean "get absolutely OWNED in Heinz Field by the likes of Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield", right?

Don't forget the brutal horse-fucking Tomlin took at the hands of Tim Tebow.

[stinger8]

Well, it's not just about the QB, it's about the rest of the team too. Over those 11 years, the defense mostly sucked. We're hoping for a more balanced team this year.

I would say in the NFL it is usually all about the QB, some anomalies aside. Last year the defense was close to elite, did not make much of a difference. Anyhoo dont want to be a Debbie Downer but as well documented I am bearish on the team's prospects. I just think objectivity is warranted, the unbridled enthusiasm seems naïve to me.

Unbridled enthusiasm? Nope. But how can you be objective if you're bearish? It seems arrogant and overconfident to say BR or the team is washed up. Especially with the perfect storm that was inflicted upon the team the last year. Injuries, C19 scheduling, an incompetent OC, and a deteriorating O line that was pure dogshit the last third of the season. Oh, and BR coming off of serious elbow surgery. It's not nearly as bad as you and K C are suggesting, imo. Get to the playoffs and anything can happen. Even if that means a 9-7 record.

There's no reason one can't be optimistic and realistic/ pragmatic at the same time. But being pessimistic doesn't seem like the right state of mind to go into the season as a fan. You'll enjoy yourself more if you have an open mind at every kick off instead of betwetting before the team walks onto the field.

Its really not complicated, I am objective I see many significant warts (O line, diminishing QB, mediocre coach, lack of depth at many positions, 3 playoff wins in 11 years etc) hence I am bearish. My bearish attitude is a product of my objectivity. As Jack Welch presciently once said "see the situation as it IS, not as you WISH IT WAS or WANT IT TO BE".

However when I watch a game this year I will definitely be "hoping" we can pull it out and if we do be a happy fella. I am by nature a positive and chipper person.

[K_C_]

Not really in either camp, man. He's got some pluses, he's got some minuses. As passionate, invested fans, we probably see more minuses than the rest of the fan base. I'm just pointing out that maybe, just maybe, every thread doesn't have to be about Mike Tomlin by halfway through page two?

Reid did pretty well pre-Mahomes, but nothing terribly spectacular, and trust me, Philly fans were happy to see him go. Belichick without Brady? Not so good. Up until LJ came to town, Harbs was on the hot seat in Baltimore, too. Carroll is almost analogous to Tomlin, in that he's consistently had Wilson to bail him out when the water gets choppy. I'll agree with STD. He's a fringe top tier coach, and I'd put him right around the Pete Carroll level.

The Tomlin conversations after this upcoming season are going to be something to behold.

I cannot wait to see what coaches he's compared to going into the 2022 season. If he doesn't retire.

Nah. This season isn't going to be as bad as you keep saying it will.

Good point.

Geriatric immobile QB with a brand new and very young, inexperienced o-line, playing an absolute GAUNTLET of a fucking schedule.

What could go wrong?

[R_S]

Get to the playoffs and anything can happen

By "anything", you mean "get absolutely OWNED in Heinz Field by the likes of Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield", right?

harsh but true. Not just losing in the playoffs but losing in embarrassing fashion against average at best Qbs.

[jebrick]

Not really in either camp, man. He's got some pluses, he's got some minuses. As passionate, invested fans, we probably see more minuses than the rest of the fan base. I'm just pointing out that maybe, just maybe, every thread doesn't have to be about Mike Tomlin by halfway through page two?

Reid did pretty well pre-Mahomes, but nothing terribly spectacular, and trust me, Philly fans were happy to see him go. Belichick without Brady? Not so good. Up until LJ came to town, Harbs was on the hot seat in Baltimore, too. Carroll is almost analogous to Tomlin, in that he's consistently had Wilson to bail him out when the water gets choppy. I'll agree with STD. He's a fringe top tier coach, and I'd put him right around the Pete Carroll level.

I think this could get interesting when Colbert retires. I really believe he is one of the top GMs in the game over the last 20 years.

[Pabst]

Not really in either camp, man. He's got some pluses, he's got some minuses. As passionate, invested fans, we probably see more minuses than the rest of the fan base. I'm just pointing out that maybe, just maybe, every thread doesn't have to be about Mike Tomlin by halfway through page two?

Reid did pretty well pre-Mahomes, but nothing terribly spectacular, and trust me, Philly fans were happy to see him go. Belichick without Brady? Not so good. Up until LJ came to town, Harbs was on the hot seat in Baltimore, too. Carroll is almost analogous to Tomlin, in that he's consistently had Wilson to bail him out when the water gets choppy. I'll agree with STD. He's a fringe top tier coach, and I'd put him right around the Pete Carroll level.

Bingo.

Add Sean Payton to your list as well.

[COR-TEN]

Not really in either camp, man. He's got some pluses, he's got some minuses. As passionate, invested fans, we probably see more minuses than the rest of the fan base. I'm just pointing out that maybe, just maybe, every thread doesn't have to be about Mike Tomlin by halfway through page two?

Reid did pretty well pre-Mahomes, but nothing terribly spectacular, and trust me, Philly fans were happy to see him go. Belichick without Brady? Not so good. Up until LJ came to town, Harbs was on the hot seat in Baltimore, too. Carroll is almost analogous to Tomlin, in that he's consistently had Wilson to bail him out when the water gets choppy. I'll agree with STD. He's a fringe top tier coach, and I'd put him right around the Pete Carroll level.

Bingo.

Add Sean Payton to your list as well.

I'll second that.

[Jizz Mop]

Get to the playoffs and anything can happen

By "anything", you mean "get absolutely OWNED in Heinz Field by the likes of Blake Bortles and Baker Mayfield", right?

harsh but true. Not just losing in the playoffs but losing in embarrassing fashion against average at best Qbs.

Yeah but….no losing seasons!

[Ice]

Definitely agree on Colbert's tenure, Brick. He deserves a lot of credit for the last two Super Bowls, be it Cowher or Tomlin at the helm, and putting a competitive roster together for over two decades. Not too many GMs in the FA Era have a resume that equals that. We're sometimes a little too far into the trees as fans to see the forest on what he's accomplished overall.

[El Kabong]

The Tomlin conversations after this upcoming season are going to be something to behold.

I cannot wait to see what coaches he's compared to going into the 2022 season. If he doesn't retire.

Nah. This season isn't going to be as bad as you keep saying it will.

Good point.

Geriatric immobile QB with a brand new and very young, inexperienced o-line, playing an absolute GAUNTLET of a fucking schedule.

What could go wrong?

Ben won't be as bad as you think, the young line gels by midseason, and the schedule won't be as bad as feared.

[beerbrother]

Replacing the Oline & Coach may be a plus considering their last performance. Ben's stats last year weren't too bad considering all the BS.

2020

15 Games Played, 12-3 Record, 399 Completions on 608 Attempts, 6.6 Yards/Attempt, for 3803 Yards and 33 TDs, with 10 Interceptions and 13 Sacks.

Yards per attempt are low but otherwise not out of line with some of his prior seasons. He didn't have the Tom Brady, ignore COVID rules, and get offseason practice with teammates.

Develop a running game that isn't last in the league with an inability to gain a yard when needed can perhaps take a little pressure off Ben.

Adding a few wrinkles to the offense with a new Coordinator hopefully reduces some of the predictability. Think Claypool in his second year is going to be tough to defend.

The team has issues but every team does. Not going to write them off when they could be improved.

[K_C_]

Nah. This season isn't going to be as bad as you keep saying it will.

Good point.

Geriatric immobile QB with a brand new and very young, inexperienced o-line, playing an absolute GAUNTLET of a fucking schedule.

What could go wrong?

Ben won't be as bad as you think, the young line gels by midseason, and the schedule won't be as bad as feared.

I’ll buy that.

[Roeth2Rudolph]

This fucking line best be gelling by game one.

[K_C_]

This fucking line best be gelling by game one.

If it doesn't, with an old and immobile QB who can't take hits anymore?

Hello Mason!

[Roeth2Rudolph]

Yeah, ole Ready Rude is probably a little more willing to stand in there and take a hit if needed to deliver a ball downfield nowadays.