DJ

[Orangesteel]

STD the Steelers might be a lot of things but they certainly don’t suck at drafting WRs. You are out of your mind if you think that.

[SteelerDayTrader]

STD the Steelers might be a lot of things but they certainly don’t suck at drafting WRs. You are out of your mind if you think that.

JJSS
Washington
DJ
Claypool

That’s a pretty shitty 4 yrs in a row

Nobody in that group I even come close to giving a C2 to

It’s not that they are completely horrible but as a group that’s one of the lesser WR groups in the nfl

Particularly given the Steelers do pretty much zero scheming to get them in favorable matchups

The slow guys can’t catch contested catches and the quick guy gets shoved off his route far too often

[RemoAZ]

No reason to dump him but I wouldn't pay him more than #3 WR money. He's soft and doesn't fight for the ball. Biggest thing they need to do is stop throwing him contested balls. Who's calling those plays? Do they think he's all of a sudden going to become something he's not? The decision making by this coaching staff continues to be horrible. It's like when they brought Balage in and ran a sweep. Is he a speed back now? Fucking frustrating.

[Professor Half Wit]

Awesome!

Eat shit and die jackass

Oh no…

Holy shit!

[14Thumb]

Great post after DJ had a long catch that essentially sealed the win and an overall solid game. 6 catches for 98 yards, no drops. He’s been solid this year and has obviously worked on his hands. I disagree with your post.

[SteelerDayTrader]

No reason to dump him but I wouldn't pay him more than #3 WR money. He's soft and doesn't fight for the ball. Biggest thing they need to do is stop throwing him contested balls. Who's calling those plays? Do they think he's all of a sudden going to become something he's not? The decision making by this coaching staff continues to be horrible. It's like when they brought Balage in and ran a sweep. Is he a speed back now? Fucking frustrating.

Yep

[Jobu]

Great post after DJ had a long catch that essentially sealed the win and an overall solid game. 6 catches for 98 yards, no drops. He’s been solid this year and has obviously worked on his hands. I disagree with your post.

No drops?

[14Thumb]

Great post after DJ had a long catch that essentially sealed the win and an overall solid game. 6 catches for 98 yards, no drops. He’s been solid this year and has obviously worked on his hands. I disagree with your post.

No drops?

I don’t recall any.

[LakecrestSteeler]

No reason to dump him but I wouldn't pay him more than #3 WR money. He's soft and doesn't fight for the ball. Biggest thing they need to do is stop throwing him contested balls. Who's calling those plays? Do they think he's all of a sudden going to become something he's not? The decision making by this coaching staff continues to be horrible. It's like when they brought Balage in and ran a sweep. Is he a speed back now? Fucking frustrating.

Your post is probably a better way to frame it Remo.

I am not saying he is not a valuable receiver, but he is not a WR1 and we should do what is necessary to get a WR1 and slide him over if JuJu and Washington are gone. I would not blame them for drafting a WR early in a best athlete on the board type of scenario. Would DJ be happy in a WR2 role or would he think he could be the man somewhere else and want a huge C2 contract? If so trade him and get some draft picks. I think he would be easy to replace in a planfull off-season.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Great post after DJ had a long catch that essentially sealed the win and an overall solid game. 6 catches for 98 yards, no drops. He’s been solid this year and has obviously worked on his hands. I disagree with your post.

No drops?

I don’t recall any.

Dropped this easy 2&8 in the 3rd quarter. Then dropped another out route that hit his face. 3rd and 8 in the 4th after TJs fumble recovery.

WR1 should make both of these catches. Hit both hands both times. It is not like they broke the bread basket on him. Ball just went thru his hands.

[14Thumb]

No drops?

I don’t recall any.

Dropped this easy 2&8 in the 3rd quarter. Pretty sure he dropped another out route that hit his shoulder pads.

Easy 2nd and 8 with the defender draped over his back. Nice. Look, I’m not saying the guy is a perfect receiver, but to call him out today when he sealed the game with a big play and had close to 100 yards is ridiculous.

I’d look first at James Washington who had a dumb holding call to negate a TD. Or Ray Ray who continues to do nothing except for, ironically, scoring on that specific end around that was called back.

[LakecrestSteeler]

I don’t recall any.

Dropped this easy 2&8 in the 3rd quarter. Pretty sure he dropped another out route that hit his shoulder pads.

Easy 2nd and 8 with the defender draped over his back. Nice. Look, I’m not saying the guy is a perfect receiver, but to call him out today when he sealed the game with a big play and had close to 100 yards is ridiculous.

I’d look first at James Washington who had a dumb holding call to negate a TD. Or Ray Ray who continues to do nothing except for, ironically, scoring on that specific end around that was called back.

I am fine with him the rest of the year. He is probably the best WR on the team. It might be Claypool or Muth by the end of the season though. He is more like Snell than he is like Conner to use the RB analogy for WR1.

[14Thumb]

Dropped this easy 2&8 in the 3rd quarter. Pretty sure he dropped another out route that hit his shoulder pads.

Easy 2nd and 8 with the defender draped over his back. Nice. Look, I’m not saying the guy is a perfect receiver, but to call him out today when he sealed the game with a big play and had close to 100 yards is ridiculous.

I’d look first at James Washington who had a dumb holding call to negate a TD. Or Ray Ray who continues to do nothing except for, ironically, scoring on that specific end around that was called back.

I am fine with him the rest of the year. He is probably the best WR on the team. It might be Claypool or Muth by the end of the season though. He is more like Snell than he is like Conner to use the RB analogy for WR1.

And I’m definitely not saying he’s a #1…no way at all. But I think he has a place on this team.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Easy 2nd and 8 with the defender draped over his back. Nice. Look, I’m not saying the guy is a perfect receiver, but to call him out today when he sealed the game with a big play and had close to 100 yards is ridiculous.

I’d look first at James Washington who had a dumb holding call to negate a TD. Or Ray Ray who continues to do nothing except for, ironically, scoring on that specific end around that was called back.

I am fine with him the rest of the year. He is probably the best WR on the team. It might be Claypool or Muth by the end of the season though. He is more like Snell than he is like Conner to use the RB analogy for WR1.

And I’m definitely not saying he’s a #1…no way at all. But I think he has a place on this team.

Agree. I am just playing it out thinking that he wouldn’t be happy being a WR2 and would stage a walk out to get a big C2 next season. He hasn’t demonstrated that type of diva behavior…just assuming an agent will turn him to the dark side with honey poured in his ear!

Maybe he would be happy and even better served as a WR2 on this team. Hell I am not even sure I know what WR1 means. Are the WR1 monikers directly correlated with X, Y and Z monikers? I am talking about the best WR of the group, the leader, the go to guy when it is all on the line. I am not talking about moving his position necessarily…just to be clear! Talking about wanting a Najee type draft pick that will shift him to a different role out of the gate.

[Steeldrama]

Fighting to stay awake hoping my transplant hometown Braves don’t choke away the World Series, I’m reading a few posts that are stranger than usual here on Steelerfury.

Poster’s name not familiar but guy actually pressed submit after typing he liked the fake field goal
Wish I could find thread I read that in because it’s probably the dumbest post I’ve ever read.

Shit-off stupid play call by Tomlin who I’m now convinced wears the shades to conceal his blood shot eyes from all the crack he’s smoking prior to the game
Tomlin should’ve been forced to walk back to Pittsburgh
Then Fired.

Now this thread about DJ being traded.
Just a strange, strange take
Not as strange as liking the Tomlin fake field goal take but bizarre nonetheless
I thought all the starting skill players were quite solid today. Claypool even impressed me today battling for every inch.

Why you’d want to trade a solid young wide receiver who has clearly worked to improve is beyond me and simply isn’t how the Steelers operate.

DJ and all the wide outs are capped by poor coaching and often really awful play calling but sure trade the best young wide receiver on the team.

[SteelerDayTrader]

. I would not blame them for drafting a WR early

I sure as hell would

The Steelers have absolutely zero idea what to with offensive players

Its pretty much just try to win your route over and over and over again

In a very limited draft capital draft I damn sure don’t want the Steelers drafting offense before the 3rd round

Najee is going to be yet another exhibit A in that regard

The Steelers have ZERO plan for using any other RB on their roster effectively

The swing pass to Ballage today was another in a long line of examples of that

A rd 1 WILB and rd 2 SS would be much better 1 and 2 this year

[JJT07]

Let me get this right......this board sucks the Browns off like they are the best team in the NFL....then we beat their fucking ass without a kicker and you boys want to be critical.....

And by the way, the score was not indicative of what we did due to our kicker being out. We beat their ass

[Roeth2Rudolph]

. I would not blame them for drafting a WR early

I sure as hell would

The Steelers have absolutely zero idea what to with offensive players

Its pretty much just try to win your route over and over and over again

In a very limited draft capital draft I damn sure don’t want the Steelers drafting offense before the 3rd round

Najee is going to be yet another exhibit A in that regard

The Steelers have ZERO plan for using any other RB on their roster effectively

The swing pass to Ballage today was another in a long line of examples of that

A rd 1 WILB and rd 2 SS would be much better 1 and 2 this year

This guy is completely out of his gourd. If you can't see that the problem with the entire offense has been the QB, you're likely a fatass that has never played any sport period. We're scoring less than 19 points per game, and have a top 5 defense in place that you wanna change??? You need to get your blood sugar under control man, it's fucking with the vasculature in your brain.

[Jizz Mop]

Which WR is better? Jarvis Landry or DJ?

I’m reading the Browns boards and they are making Landry the goat. Dropped passes and the fumble.

Is Landry WR1 for the Clowns?

[Jobu]

Which WR is better? Jarvis Landry or DJ?

I’m reading the Browns boards and they are making Landry the goat. Dropped passes and the fumble.

Is Landry WR1 for the Clowns?

Hmmm…tough question, really.
Explain what makes a WR1, because I don’t really know what that is. Most yards? Most catches? Draws double coverage?
I’d say the Browns, like the Steelers, have two or three guys that they depend on equally and there is nothing wrong with that.
Landry had a very bad game yesterday, but he’s been pretty reliable for them the last couple of seasons.

[Ice]

Fighting to stay awake hoping my transplant hometown Braves don’t choke away the World Series, I’m reading a few posts that are stranger than usual here on Steelerfury.

Poster’s name not familiar but guy actually pressed submit after typing he liked the fake field goal
Wish I could find thread I read that in because it’s probably the dumbest post I’ve ever read.

Shit-off stupid play call by Tomlin who I’m now convinced wears the shades to conceal his blood shot eyes from all the crack he’s smoking prior to the game
Tomlin should’ve been forced to walk back to Pittsburgh
Then Fired.

Now this thread about DJ being traded.
Just a strange, strange take
Not as strange as liking the Tomlin fake field goal take but bizarre nonetheless
I thought all the starting skill players were quite solid today. Claypool even impressed me today battling for every inch.

Why you’d want to trade a solid young wide receiver who has clearly worked to improve is beyond me and simply isn’t how the Steelers operate.

DJ and all the wide outs are capped by poor coaching and often really awful play calling but sure trade the best young wide receiver on the team.

Spot on, the entire thing. This thread is bizarre.

[TTP]

DJ is an enigma for sure. He can be tantalizingly good one moment and completely bone headed the next. It feels like he should be a star but just doesn't quite get over the top. And, that can be frustrating. I think he has improved this year and is more consistent. The drops have all but disappeared. Right now, he's on pace for:

91-1083-7

Last 5 games: 9,9,2,9,6 receptions. Dude is coming on and is making less mistakes. He likely isn't going to become a star at this point but that's okay. He'd a net positive contributor overall and should be paid accordingly in C2.

[Jobu]

STD the Steelers might be a lot of things but they certainly don’t suck at drafting WRs. You are out of your mind if you think that.

I’m kinda with STD on this one. I think the notion that the Steelers are great at drafting WRs is a myth. Here is the list of Steeler WRs drafted under Colbert.

2020-Chase Claypool (2nd round)

2019-Diontae Johnson (3rd round)

2018-James Washington (2nd round)

2017-JuJu Smith-Schuster (2nd round)

2016-Demarcus Ayers (7th round)

2015-Sammie Coates (3rd round)

2014-Martavis Bryant (4th round)

2013-Markus Wheaton (3rd round)

2013-Justin Brown (6th round)

2012-Toney Clemons (7th round)

2010-Emmanuel Sanders (3rd round)

2010-Antonio Brown (6th round)

2009-Mike Wallace (3rd round)

2008-Limas Sweed (2nd round)

2007-Dallas Baker (7th round)

2006-Santonio Holmes (1st round)

2006-Willie Reid (3rd round)

2005-Fred Gibson (4th round)

2002-Antwaan Randle El (2nd round)

2002-Lee Mays (6th round)

2001-Chris Taylor (7th round)

2000-Troy Edwards (1st round)

22 picks..
Great (1) AB
Good (4) JuJu, Wallace, Holmes, Sanders(most of his production after he left)
JAGs (5) Washington, Coates, Wheaton, Mays, ARE
Looked good until the demons took over (1) Bryant
Too soon to tell (2) Claypool, DJ
Who? (7) Ayers, J Brown, Clemons, Baker, Reid, Gibson, Taylor
Busts (2) Sweed, Edwards

[tbsteel]

STD the Steelers might be a lot of things but they certainly don’t suck at drafting WRs. You are out of your mind if you think that.

I’m kinda with STD on this one. I think the notion that the Steelers are great at drafting WRs is a myth. Here is the list of Steeler WRs drafted under Colbert.

2020-Chase Claypool (2nd round)

2019-Diontae Johnson (3rd round)

2018-James Washington (2nd round)

2017-JuJu Smith-Schuster (2nd round)

2016-Demarcus Ayers (7th round)

2015-Sammie Coates (3rd round)

2014-Martavis Bryant (4th round)

2013-Markus Wheaton (3rd round)

2013-Justin Brown (6th round)

2012-Toney Clemons (7th round)

2010-Emmanuel Sanders (3rd round)

2010-Antonio Brown (6th round)

2009-Mike Wallace (3rd round)

2008-Limas Sweed (2nd round)

2007-Dallas Baker (7th round)

2006-Santonio Holmes (1st round)

2006-Willie Reid (3rd round)

2005-Fred Gibson (4th round)

2002-Antwaan Randle El (2nd round)

2002-Lee Mays (6th round)

2001-Chris Taylor (7th round)

2000-Troy Edwards (1st round)

22 picks..
Great (1) AB
Good (4) JuJu, Wallace, Holmes, Sanders(most of his production after he left)
JAGs (5) Washington, Coates, Wheaton, Mays, ARE
Looked good until the demons took over (1) Bryant
Too soon to tell (2) Claypool, DJ
Who? (7) Ayers, J Brown, Clemons, Baker, Reid, Gibson, Taylor
Busts (2) Sweed, Edwards

Tony Gwynn sucks at hitting. Looks at his recent at bats:

Soft line out to left field

Strikeout

Single

Walk

Pop fly

Ground out

Double off the wall

Walk

Ground out

Single

Line out

RBI Single

Pop out

Ground out to pitcher

RBI Sacrifice fly

Strikeout

16 at bats, with only 4 hits, 1 sac fly, 2 walks, and 2 RBIs.

No, wait, that's actually over a .300 average and if he did that every series he'd be a HOFer and one of the greatest hitters ever.

Your post means nothing without the context that most draft picks fail and not judging on the history of the draft and what their peers do. Why this point is lost on so many fans I'll never know.

Just look at our division rivals when it comes to drafting WRs in recent years...

Browns: Anthony Schwartz, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Antonio Callaway, Damion Ratley, Corey Coleman, Ricardo Louis, Jordan Payton, Rashard Higgins...

Ravens: Rashod Bateman, Tylan Wallace, Devin Duvernay, James Proche, Marquis Brown, Miles Boykin, Jaleel Scott, Jordan Lasley, Chris Moore...

Bengals: Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, Auden Tate, John Ross, Josh Malone, Tyler Boyd, Corey Core, Mario Alford, James Wright....

How many home runs picks out of those 26 picks? Oh, you mean just the guy who was drafted in the top 5? Something we haven't been able to do since we drafted Terry Bradshaw? Gotcha.

STD often says "watch other games/look around at the rest of the league" and then posts dumb shit like this that the Steelers "suck at drafting WRs" and buries his head in a pile of shit to ignore how the rest of the NFL is drafting. It's just an inflammatory troll that he doesn't honestly believe, which is a shame because the 10% of the time he's not trolling he actually makes some good points.

[Jobu]

Yes…hitting a baseball is exactly the same as drafting football players.
And my argument isn’t that the Steelers suck at drafting WRs, rather they aren’t as great at it as some believe.

[Professor Half Wit]

Yes…hitting a baseball is exactly the same as drafting football players.
And my argument isn’t that the Steelers suck at drafting WRs, rather they aren’t as great at it as some believe.

Well, I have a theory about this.

The thesis that the Steelers are elite WR drafters arose and coincided with the rise of the Young Money Crew that included....wait for it....AB....

I will submit for consideration that between the helmet catch the mental implosion following Juju fumbling away the Saints game that AB was for the most part the most unstoppable WR in the league. Personally, I think he's already in the Hall of Fame. Because AB was so unstoppable, all the other WRs were freed up and bc Ben was still in prime form, everyone looked good.

Everyone will observe that as soon as AB left the WR corps immediately looked more pedestrian.

The Steelers were perhaps never WR gurus. They just had the AB and Ben hifi going.

Though, if MB could have stayed off the sizzurp, I think he would have been a superstar.

I do not insist on this position. Just trying it out.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Fighting to stay awake hoping my transplant hometown Braves don’t choke away the World Series, I’m reading a few posts that are stranger than usual here on Steelerfury.

Poster’s name not familiar but guy actually pressed submit after typing he liked the fake field goal
Wish I could find thread I read that in because it’s probably the dumbest post I’ve ever read.

Shit-off stupid play call by Tomlin who I’m now convinced wears the shades to conceal his blood shot eyes from all the crack he’s smoking prior to the game
Tomlin should’ve been forced to walk back to Pittsburgh
Then Fired.

Now this thread about DJ being traded.
Just a strange, strange take
Not as strange as liking the Tomlin fake field goal take but bizarre nonetheless
I thought all the starting skill players were quite solid today. Claypool even impressed me today battling for every inch.

Why you’d want to trade a solid young wide receiver who has clearly worked to improve is beyond me and simply isn’t how the Steelers operate.

DJ and all the wide outs are capped by poor coaching and often really awful play calling but sure trade the best young wide receiver on the team.

You lost me at Braves fan! Fuck the Braves!

The fake FG…so much faux rage about this! This board would have just loved the call if it worked, except for a few that would have claimed the opposite.

Going into halftime tied at 3 or going in at halftime 6 to 3 or going in at half time 10 to 3. It was a fucking gamble at the 10 yard line…low risk high reward. Big deal you go in at the half tied.

What was more likely to happen: We score 6. Penalty called. We go in tied. Kicker gets knocked out of the game. They defend it perfectly. Obviously, we go in tied is highest percentage. But scoring 6 and/or penalty on the defense have to be be decent odds from the ten yard line too. Defending it perfectly are low odds and the kicker getting TKOed are insanely low. Lot of crystal ball colored glasses on this forum!

People bitching about Tomlin for this call really is living your fears.

And props to @JJT07 ’s post on this thread…we really did man handle the Browns. It was worse than the score indicates.

[tbsteel]

And my argument isn’t that the Steelers suck at drafting WRs, rather they aren’t as great at it as some believe.

Based on what? You provided no context and no examples of a team "great" at drafting WRs.

Have you ever looked at the success rate of the average NFL draft pick? And how the round you're drafted affects that?

Pretty basic stuff you're overlooking.

[stinger8]

I think we need to move on from him next season. I would trade him in a heartbeat in the off-season.

He is too inconsistent. He constantly avoids hits in the secondary.

Compare him to AB…he has put on absolutely zero muscle and has almost zero skills that indicate strength. The play today where he was tackled with one arm before the 1st down marker was horse shit. Probably as bad or worse then Snell’s failure to get a first down too!

I put Claypool ahead of him at this point in value.

On the quick slant…he was run down by a couple Browns. Jesus Christ if you are that much of a light weight at least have some world class speed.

I dont disagree that he leaves plays on the field and I believe what he has to do is put on 10LBS of muscle WITHOUT losing even a centimeter of his speed/quickness. That would make him a weapon, his physical weakness is his kryptonite right now.

However his ability to switch directions and go from 0 to 60 are elite and that makes him valuable. To be fair #7 (who played well today) threw him some real shitty passes and missed him wide open over the middle for a walk in touchdown.

He aint perfect but utilized correctly he is a weapon. Lastly he was not scoring on that slant maybe 3 guys in the league Ruggs, Hill etc would have the speed to outrun guys who have angles like yesterday.

[Jobu]

Fighting to stay awake hoping my transplant hometown Braves don’t choke away the World Series, I’m reading a few posts that are stranger than usual here on Steelerfury.

Poster’s name not familiar but guy actually pressed submit after typing he liked the fake field goal
Wish I could find thread I read that in because it’s probably the dumbest post I’ve ever read.

Shit-off stupid play call by Tomlin who I’m now convinced wears the shades to conceal his blood shot eyes from all the crack he’s smoking prior to the game
Tomlin should’ve been forced to walk back to Pittsburgh
Then Fired.

Now this thread about DJ being traded.
Just a strange, strange take
Not as strange as liking the Tomlin fake field goal take but bizarre nonetheless
I thought all the starting skill players were quite solid today. Claypool even impressed me today battling for every inch.

Why you’d want to trade a solid young wide receiver who has clearly worked to improve is beyond me and simply isn’t how the Steelers operate.

DJ and all the wide outs are capped by poor coaching and often really awful play calling but sure trade the best young wide receiver on the team.

You lost me at Braves fan! Fuck the Braves!

The fake FG…so much faux rage about this! This board would have just loved the call if it worked, except for a few that would have claimed the opposite.

Going into halftime tied at 3 or going in at halftime 6 to 3 or going in at half time 10 to 3. It was a fucking gamble at the 10 yard line…low risk high reward. Big deal you go in at the half tied.

What was more likely to happen: We score 6. Penalty called. We go in tied. Kicker gets knocked out of the game. They defend it perfectly. Obviously, we go in tied is highest percentage. But scoring 6 and/or penalty on the defense have to be be decent odds from the ten yard line too. Defending it perfectly are low odds and the kicker getting TKOed are insanely low. Lot of crystal ball colored glasses on this forum!

People bitching about Tomlin for this call really is living your fears.

And props to @JJT07 ’s post on this thread…we really did man handle the Browns. It was worse than the score indicates.

Here’s the thing when calling a fake FG. It’s something you believe will work based on game tape and prep….you see something from the opponent you can take advantage of. A FG unit is going to consist of a kicker, holder, long snapper 5 or 6 fat guys and couple TEs/backup RBs/LBs. it’s not a group that likely to make an athletic play out if something. And when you do make the call, their should be a checkout option if you don’t get what you’re expecting.
Now obviously, we have no way of knowing if any of this was the case with the play yesterday. It is however true that had the play worked, most of us would’ve loved the call. The unfortunate injury to Bos is jus the risky consequence of a football play, any football play. (Although not having an emergency kicker available is kind of inexcusable.)
Personally, I’d don’t know that I would ever use s fake FG if I were coaching. If I’m going for a first down or TD, I’m leaving my offense on the field. My 2 cents.