Tuitt Fully Recovered

[Stlcrtn1974]

By the way, I'm pretty sure I saw Jerry Olsavsky on the sidelines last week. His wife died mid October.

[Charles Demarr]

I cherish the memories I had when I was a PITTSBURGH STEELERS fan
“Just go and lay your hand on a Pittsburgh Steelers fan”

Not me

I’m no longer a fan of this Pittsburgh Steelers team

Devin Bush
Chase Claypool
Stephon Tuitt (autocorrect to Stephanie)

Some of these Pittsburgh PUSSIES need to try getting a REAL job in the REAL world to truly understand how UNBELIEVABLY fortunate they are.

I wish I could’ve just taken a PAID year off when my mom tragically died.
But I’ll tell ya what
Getting back to work is how you get over a tragedy
Not bailing on your coworkers or in this case teammates who need you.

Pretty much sums it up for me. Not planning my Sunday around watching them play the rest of the season. I don't want them to win another game. Premium draft capital is key to fixing this mess.

[bradshaw2ben]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

[Louis Lipps Service]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

I'm with ya, B2B.

I said this with the kid gloves on a few posts ago, but maybe it's time to be a little more heavy-handed.

A lot of gross negligence to mental health in this thread. As someone who has gone through some of the worst sides of depression and trauma, it's clear that many of you have no idea what these things can do to people. It's a personal topic to me, in the worst ways imaginable.

Asking someone to prioritize football over taking care of themselves mentally is so unbelievably short sighted, egotistical...and just fucking stupid.

I spent a lot of time trying to fix my problems by "sucking it up" and putting on a happy face. I've learned both through my experience and via education in talking with professionals and others who have gone through it, that "sucking it up" is a sure-fire way to push yourself into an even worse state. Mental health doesn't get "sucked up". Pushing through it is every bit as effective as pushing through a broken femur.

Like I said in my previous post, you guys don't even know the real reason. You all seem to assuming is sitting on his couch hiding under a blanket and eating ice cream with tears streaming down his face.

What if he's not? What if through all this he decided that he's missing out on too much family time by devoting his life to football and has decided football isn't a priority anymore and is taking steps to move on to something much more fulfilling in his life. He deserves the right to make that decision for himself. We all do. What, you're going to piss and moan because he might get paid for sitting out? That's between him and the Rooneys and doesn't affect a single person's wallet other than those two parties.

And what if he is at home sitting on his couch feeling sorry for himself? So what. That's his decision too. And if that's the case, we should all be hoping he gets the help he needs. Because if this is the case, he's in far more danger than anything he'd ever face on a football field.

Believe me, I know.

[Professor Half Wit]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

Not endorsing anything, just imagining rejoinders.

1. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

Those that suffered tremendous loss and were not afforded the luxury of this kind of treatment and time off have an understandably limited amount of sympathy. Unlimited time off does not solve depression. Counseling, and, if necessary, psychiatric care do. Normal people have to juggle counseling and work and are not allowed to do a shitty job and get a free pass. So I can understand why some are looking askance at Tuitt. Of course, just because America has this neurotic Puritan disposition to care more about productivity than eudaimonia of its workers does not mean work should come first.

2. And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

I do wonder, at this point, how long it would take to get Tuitt back into game shape. Like, if he was JUST cleared, how many weeks are we talking? How much weight has he lost, etc?

[anpsteel]

Lots of people piling on Tuitt, without any real knowledge of what the actual injury was, or what his actual status is.

Tuitt is a beast when healthy, and in some aspects the best DLineman on the team.

Just like everyone else, I'm fairly annoyed with the performance of the team and the coaching staff, but I can't see how including Tuitt as part of the problem makes sense.

Would they be better, if they had a healthy 91?

Obviously.

But saying Tuitt is a pussy and indicative of what we are seeing is absurd. You might as well include David DeCastro in that mix too. Motherfucker was injured in the offseason and got himself cut. What a pussy.

[Orangesteel]

This team has broken all of us. I think we need to change the channel and watch the Penguins.

[Professor Half Wit]

This team has broken all of us. I think we need to change the channel and watch the Penguins.

I like train wrecks almost as much as deep runs. Both are entertaining in their own ways.

[blu]

This team has broken all of us. I think we need to change the channel and watch the Penguins.

I never thought I would ever not look forward to watching the B&G. I have enough other issues going forward including a 4 hour kidney operation next month that I don't need other depression to bring me down. Munchak & Arians couldn't get out of here fast enough. Even cuckoo AB could see what was coming down. Tomlin has sucked all the admiration & hope out of me - I am sorry to say & he won't be gone for several more years & the cheap Rooney's will probably just hire from the dregs already here. The uproar should change from a few voices to a scream heard well above the Allegheny, Monongahela & Ohio Rivers. I am sad just watching Ben having to lead a team that Tomlin & Rooney have driven so far into the ground.

[drmalba]

"sources say" that's what we're trusting. Dale Lolley said someone told him that.
IF it's true, his teammates sure have his back cuz not one of them has said boo. that's all that matters. if they're ok with his choices, so am i. they know him, they see him, talk to him. maybe they see he ain't in a football frame of mind and wouldnt be a help on the field rn anyway. ptsd is a real thing and mental illness and difficulties are as individual as a thing gets. he may not be able to just suck it up and work. most of us can, many of us have. doesn't mean he can.
as fans we all want him to play, at 75% he's better than what we have out there with Alualu on ir except Heyward. Loudermilk may become as good as those guys but he's a rookie rn. its a very different win/loss record with him playing at full capability, we'd actually have a run defense and well with one of those, we dont have a tie and wouldve at least been competitive against cinci.
thing is, his teammates know that too. better than us. they know what theyre missing and if he was dogging them, betraying them, like mr. lolley says he heard someone say he is? they'd not feel bad about saying so. but theyre not. i believe they have good reason. either he's still hurt or he's still hurting in such an obvious way they know he CAN'T play football, not just he aint playin'
cuz yeah if he was just milkn a paycheck? that would be a betrayal of brotherhood and no way this very ahem, "mature" group of players we have rn wouldnt be spouting off about it to more than dale lolley as a "source"
i just don't believe he's capable of playing pro football rn.
either cuz he's hurt, or cuz he's hurting so bad he can't mentally do it. i dont believe he just doesn't wanna.
kudos to all of you who were able to lose loved ones you were close to and carry on with life quickly, and yes it sucks we have to but that's life and most of us can. my Aunt died this summer and my cousin just couldnt focus on work enuff to go back to being an ICU nurse right away, knew he'd be a detriment to his nursing team and his patients quality of care so he took the next 90+ days and solo canoed the entire mississippi river. now he's back in the ICU. his brother went back to work right away. said he had to to "keep his mind right". ppl arent all the same, everybody deals with shit differently. also until it's more than just lolley says somebody told him, it could still be he's physically not able to play, ennit?
ffs lose to the bengals 3x in a row and ppl grab the fucking pitchforks and take after a previous fan favorite that MAY not be a "man" enuff to suck it up and play his way out of mental anguish.
who's the real cunts?

I think this is one of the best posts I've read in a while, thank you for it.
These continual "nut up" posts are obnoxious and awful.

[COR-TEN]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

I'm with ya, B2B.

I said this with the kid gloves on a few posts ago, but maybe it's time to be a little more heavy-handed.

A lot of gross negligence to mental health in this thread. As someone who has gone through some of the worst sides of depression and trauma, it's clear that many of you have no idea what these things can do to people. It's a personal topic to me, in the worst ways imaginable.

Asking someone to prioritize football over taking care of themselves mentally is so unbelievably short sighted, egotistical...and just fucking stupid.

I spent a lot of time trying to fix my problems by "sucking it up" and putting on a happy face. I've learned both through my experience and via education in talking with professionals and others who have gone through it, that "sucking it up" is a sure-fire way to push yourself into an even worse state. Mental health doesn't get "sucked up". Pushing through it is every bit as effective as pushing through a broken femur.

Like I said in my previous post, you guys don't even know the real reason. You all seem to assuming is sitting on his couch hiding under a blanket and eating ice cream with tears streaming down his face.

What if he's not? What if through all this he decided that he's missing out on too much family time by devoting his life to football and has decided football isn't a priority anymore and is taking steps to move on to something much more fulfilling in his life. He deserves the right to make that decision for himself. We all do. What, you're going to piss and moan because he might get paid for sitting out? That's between him and the Rooneys and doesn't affect a single person's wallet other than those two parties.

And what if he is at home sitting on his couch feeling sorry for himself? So what. That's his decision too. And if that's the case, we should all be hoping he gets the help he needs. Because if this is the case, he's in far more danger than anything he'd ever face on a football field.

Believe me, I know.

I would like to emphasize this. But it also is endemic of the culture that is fostered, nurtured, and promoted. If you don't succeed and blow past personal issues, or behavior, or emotions, or context, or environment, or whatever, then you are a failure.

It doesn't surprise me one bit people are complaining about his "effort" or "dedication." Go fuck yourself.

[SteelerDayTrader]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

Good point

[955876]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

Or, he’s the the type of person who believes he’s owed something and should be paid regardless if he’s putting in the work or not.

[955876]

Asking someone to prioritize football over taking care of themselves mentally

It’s not football. It’s his job. We aren’t talking about a high school or college kid. This is his JOB.

Just like you and I have a job we must report to in order to get paid.

I get being allowed time off to grieve. But at this point he’s been given what is now SIX FULL MONTHS to grieve.

That is an acceptable amount of paid time off for an employer to extend. It’s more than fair.

And here is the thing. IF he really is that messed up mentally then move him to PUP or something along with a reduction of pay.

The team can accommodate without being taken advantage of.

[955876]

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

They’ve been trotting hit garbage out there with the exception of Heyward.

We aren’t talking a couple games left here.

[sinceiwas4]

Oh come on. He made at least $8 million dollars this year. Fuck him. Sue him to get the money back for fraud and I bet he will be playing Sunday!

This is a complete scam!

If not make a public statement with your reasons you are not playing.

He can buy a therapist, and charter helicopters or jets with that type of money. He can host relatives, rent AirB&B’s for friends. Is he going to all the WVU games to see his brother play?

So we have the AB and Bell playbook on how to get out of a contract which Bush will be using.

And now we have the Tuitt playbook on how to get $8 million and not set foot on the Sunday field.

so...money. you literally believe it can and will buy happiness even in the face of mental anguish. i don't. fair nuff. i can agree to disagree. also, you seem to feel that if a person makes millions you don't have to care about them in the same way you would someone of your own tax bracket, "fuck him" again agree to disagree on that. you're welcome to feel that way, i don't.
but as much as i don't know he feels personal responsibility for his brother's death, (i've heard it, but i don't know it) you don't know he is physically ready to play and won't.
you feel like he owes you to tell you one way or the other. i feel like he owes that to his teammates and the people signing the checks. neither has complained about his situation at all, so i make the assumption he has told them and they are ok with it. there is an argument to be made for your side that we as fans are where the money comes from that gets put in his checks and therefore we should know. maybe he does owe us an explanation.

[zeke5123]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

Not endorsing anything, just imagining rejoinders.

1. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

Those that suffered tremendous loss and were not afforded the luxury of this kind of treatment and time off have an understandably limited amount of sympathy. Unlimited time off does not solve depression. Counseling, and, if necessary, psychiatric care do. Normal people have to juggle counseling and work and are not allowed to do a shitty job and get a free pass. So I can understand why some are looking askance at Tuitt. Of course, just because America has this neurotic Puritan disposition to care more about productivity than eudaimonia of its workers does not mean work should come first.

2. And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

I do wonder, at this point, how long it would take to get Tuitt back into game shape. Like, if he was JUST cleared, how many weeks are we talking? How much weight has he lost, etc?

You should endorse some of this. Wallowing is not healthy. Unlimited time off leads to wallowing. I think mental health is important and for that reason I’d advocate getting back to work.

[Professor Half Wit]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

I'm with ya, B2B.

I said this with the kid gloves on a few posts ago, but maybe it's time to be a little more heavy-handed.

A lot of gross negligence to mental health in this thread. As someone who has gone through some of the worst sides of depression and trauma, it's clear that many of you have no idea what these things can do to people. It's a personal topic to me, in the worst ways imaginable.

Asking someone to prioritize football over taking care of themselves mentally is so unbelievably short sighted, egotistical...and just fucking stupid.

I spent a lot of time trying to fix my problems by "sucking it up" and putting on a happy face. I've learned both through my experience and via education in talking with professionals and others who have gone through it, that "sucking it up" is a sure-fire way to push yourself into an even worse state. Mental health doesn't get "sucked up". Pushing through it is every bit as effective as pushing through a broken femur.

Like I said in my previous post, you guys don't even know the real reason. You all seem to assuming is sitting on his couch hiding under a blanket and eating ice cream with tears streaming down his face.

What if he's not? What if through all this he decided that he's missing out on too much family time by devoting his life to football and has decided football isn't a priority anymore and is taking steps to move on to something much more fulfilling in his life. He deserves the right to make that decision for himself. We all do. What, you're going to piss and moan because he might get paid for sitting out? That's between him and the Rooneys and doesn't affect a single person's wallet other than those two parties.

And what if he is at home sitting on his couch feeling sorry for himself? So what. That's his decision too. And if that's the case, we should all be hoping he gets the help he needs. Because if this is the case, he's in far more danger than anything he'd ever face on a football field.

Believe me, I know.

I would like to emphasize this. But it also is endemic of the culture that is fostered, nurtured, and promoted. If you don't succeed and blow past personal issues, or behavior, or emotions, or context, or environment, or whatever, then you are a failure.

It doesn't surprise me one bit people are complaining about his "effort" or "dedication." Go fuck yourself.

I think the critical sentiment is mostly fueled by the obvious fact that people who have normal jobs are not afforded this kind of luxury. I am not making a moral judgment. I am merely speculating on the motivation for the criticism.

[Steelperch]

Maybe they’re tanking for draft positions just like so many here have been begging for and told Tuitt take the year off

I’ll have an update on this situation on the podcast.

[Louis Lipps Service]

Asking someone to prioritize football over taking care of themselves mentally

It’s not football. It’s his job. We aren’t talking about a high school or college kid. This is his JOB.

Just like you and I have a job we must report to in order to get paid.

I get being allowed time off to grieve. But at this point he’s been given what is now SIX FULL MONTHS to grieve.

That is an acceptable amount of paid time off for an employer to extend. It’s more than fair.

And here is the thing. IF he really is that messed up mentally then move him to PUP or something along with a reduction of pay.

The team can accommodate without being taken advantage of.

People shouldn't be prioritizing their job over their mental health either. That's not any better than doing it for football.

Jobs come and go. Your mental health shouldn't.

I have quit jobs because they threatened my mental health, and am in a much better place for it (mentally and financially, mind you).

And again, why do you care if he gets paid? Your problem is that you're assuming it's out of laziness...and you have absolutely NO idea if that's true other than making horribly inaccurate and negligent assumptions about mental health.

And for the record, mental health is recognized as a disability in many states...meaning that you most certainly can get paid for missing work due to mental health issues.

There are also new laws around what employers can and can't do when treating people with mental illness.

You can no longer simply decide to not pay someone if they report a mental illness. As an employer, you have to make a reasonable effort to accomodate that person.

Applying that to the NFL, that may very well mean you have to treat mental illness as an injury, giving you all the benefits an injured player gets, including your salary.

Do you get this upset when a player who blows out an ACL gets paid for not playing during a season?

[Stosh-67]

This team has broken all of us. I think we need to change the channel and watch the Penguins.

I never thought I would ever not look forward to watching the B&G. I have enough other issues going forward including a 4 hour kidney operation next month that I don't need other depression to bring me down. Munchak & Arians couldn't get out of here fast enough. Even cuckoo AB could see what was coming down. Tomlin has sucked all the admiration & hope out of me - I am sorry to say & he won't be gone for several more years & the cheap Rooney's will probably just hire from the dregs already here. The uproar should change from a few voices to a scream heard well above the Allegheny, Monongahela & Ohio Rivers. I am sad just watching Ben having to lead a team that Tomlin & Rooney have driven so far into the ground.

Good luck with your transplant Blu.
Friend of mine just had kidney transplant, from his wife, 10 weeks ago.
Doing real well.

[Professor Half Wit]

I don’t exactly agree with these takes. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

What if he feels he is responsible for his brother’s death? What if the issue isn’t lack of desire to play bit depression? That’s as real as a broken leg. What if he expressed a desire to hurt himself/suicide and they told him just come in to the facility and try to take it a day at a time?

And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

Anyway, him not playing is his problem and the Steelers’ problem but it’s not really my problem. My problem is I have to watch this hot garbage and talk about it and listen to idiotic takes about the football product.

Not endorsing anything, just imagining rejoinders.

1. Would you all rather he came in and played without his heart in it? Look like Bush?

Those that suffered tremendous loss and were not afforded the luxury of this kind of treatment and time off have an understandably limited amount of sympathy. Unlimited time off does not solve depression. Counseling, and, if necessary, psychiatric care do. Normal people have to juggle counseling and work and are not allowed to do a shitty job and get a free pass. So I can understand why some are looking askance at Tuitt. Of course, just because America has this neurotic Puritan disposition to care more about productivity than eudaimonia of its workers does not mean work should come first.

2. And here’s another believable scenario: he’s ready to return now but they told him they don’t want to try and work him in so late in the season.

I do wonder, at this point, how long it would take to get Tuitt back into game shape. Like, if he was JUST cleared, how many weeks are we talking? How much weight has he lost, etc?

You should endorse some of this. Wallowing is not healthy. Unlimited time off leads to wallowing. I think mental health is important and for that reason I’d advocate getting back to work.

I endorse this categorical syllogism.

[COR-TEN]

Asking someone to prioritize football over taking care of themselves mentally

It’s not football. It’s his job. We aren’t talking about a high school or college kid. This is his JOB.

Just like you and I have a job we must report to in order to get paid.

I get being allowed time off to grieve. But at this point he’s been given what is now SIX FULL MONTHS to grieve.

That is an acceptable amount of paid time off for an employer to extend. It’s more than fair.

And here is the thing. IF he really is that messed up mentally then move him to PUP or something along with a reduction of pay.

The team can accommodate without being taken advantage of.

People shouldn't be prioritizing their job over their mental health either. That's not any better than doing it for football.

Jobs come and go. Your mental health shouldn't.

I have quit jobs because they threatened my mental health, and am in a much better place for it (mentally and financially, mind you).

And again, why do you care if he gets paid? Your problem is that you're assuming it's out of laziness...and you have absolutely NO idea if that's true other than making horribly inaccurate and negligent assumptions about mental health.

And for the record, mental health is recognized as a disability in many states...meaning that you most certainly can get paid for missing work due to mental health issues.

There are also new laws around what employers can and can't do when treating people with mental illness.

You can no longer simply decide to not pay someone if they report a mental illness. As an employer, you have to make a reasonable effort to accomodate that person.

Applying that to the NFL, that may very well mean you have to treat mental illness as an injury, giving you all the benefits an injured player gets, including your salary.

Do you get this upset when a player who blows out an ACL gets paid for not playing during a season?

Spot on. In every aspect. The default is to criticize and find a reason to mock and ridicule behavior that doesn't fit the ideology. That ideology has permeated everything, overtaking prudence and reason. It's created a fucked up society where meritocracy is mutated into social darwinism, in a civilized society, ignoring context, nuance, human nature, and factors that are out of one's control.

Whatever. I've posted enough for this week.

[sinceiwas4]

being mad at him for being hurt too damned often i fully understand. and can agree with. seems every yr he has missed a cpl games, at least. his best ability has never been availability and thats frustrating af but tough guying a dude we have no idea whats rly going on with, mentally speaking, is weak ass interweb bullshit.

Who's "tough guying". I never said I could beat Tuitt in a fight, unless I had a bat. What I am saying is what this whole cry baby club generation is, a bunch of cry to get what you want cunts. The real world doesn't work that way, and eventually will come back and bite you in the ass down the road when your enablers aren't their to baby you. I work with alot of this generation, and to be honest, they all pretty much make me sick how pathetic and weak they are. Sorry if it hurts your feelings, my grandparents were from the greatest generation, so I kind of try to live up to their standards, even though I could never. Imagine if this generation had to fight the Nazis, we would all be speaking German.

in generational terms as a member of gen x i understand this point of view it's difficult to see how this generation, or really any generation since our grandparent's could do what was needed by everyone at war, and at home, to win ww2. but where we differ is that you believe from what we know that Tuitt is "crying to get what he wants" and that his teammates that he's directly letting down on the field, and the Rooney's who are paying him, know he's "crying to get what he wants" and just are all, to a man, ok with it. i just can't see that's what's happening. this roster has not shown itself to be professional or mature enuff to not call him out if they felt like thats what he was doing. the Rooney's would either put him on mup (mentally unable to perform) oh..wait. does that exist? maybe he's not on pup cuz mental reasons aren't contractually justified to be put on it, or maybe he's not getting what he wants. maybe, just maybe, what he wants is to play football and kick some ass with his teammates but his mental state won't let him rn. we don't know.

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You should endorse some of this. Wallowing is not healthy. Unlimited time off leads to wallowing. I think mental health is important and for that reason I’d advocate getting back to work.

"Wallow" is subject to interpretation. You know that.

[Professor Half Wit]

We know THAT Tuitt is not going to play this year and THAT he has been cleared physiologically.

We know, right now, exactly JACK SHIT about WHY he is not going to play.

Probably best to withhold judgment until the cause is more fully determined.

The meaning and purpose of life is not work, which is done out of necessity. I hope we all agree on that or there is something wrong with us.

[COR-TEN]

We know THAT Tuitt is not going to play this year and THAT he has been cleared physiologically.

We know, right now, exactly JACK SHIT about WHY he is not going to play.

Probably best to withhold judgment until the cause is more fully determined.

The meaning and purpose of life is not work, which is done out of necessity. I hope we all agree on that or there is something wrong with us.

And it's clear to me, based on the convos and threads on the subject, the steelers FO knows this is a flamewar waiting to happen. Like they really need more fuel on the dumpster fire of a season. It's a PR move to keep silent. But either way, the fan base will either support or bash the decision to keep quiet. Clicks. Conflict. Controversy = cash.

[955876]

Asking someone to prioritize football over taking care of themselves mentally

It’s not football. It’s his job. We aren’t talking about a high school or college kid. This is his JOB.

Just like you and I have a job we must report to in order to get paid.

I get being allowed time off to grieve. But at this point he’s been given what is now SIX FULL MONTHS to grieve.

That is an acceptable amount of paid time off for an employer to extend. It’s more than fair.

And here is the thing. IF he really is that messed up mentally then move him to PUP or something along with a reduction of pay.

The team can accommodate without being taken advantage of.

People shouldn't be prioritizing their job over their mental health either. That's not any better than doing it for football.

Jobs come and go. Your mental health shouldn't.

I have quit jobs because they threatened my mental health, and am in a much better place for it (mentally and financially, mind you).

And again, why do you care if he gets paid? Your problem is that you're assuming it's out of laziness...and you have absolutely NO idea if that's true other than making horribly inaccurate and negligent assumptions about mental health.

And for the record, mental health is recognized as a disability in many states...meaning that you most certainly can get paid for missing work due to mental health issues.

There are also new laws around what employers can and can't do when treating people with mental illness.

You can no longer simply decide to not pay someone if they report a mental illness. As an employer, you have to make a reasonable effort to accomodate that person.

Applying that to the NFL, that may very well mean you have to treat mental illness as an injury, giving you all the benefits an injured player gets, including your salary.

Do you get this upset when a player who blows out an ACL gets paid for not playing during a season?

I’m not saying the job comes over self or family.

But when your employer gives you SIX MONTHS OFF to grieve and handle your personal affairs and then you claim that still isn’t enough then maybe it’s time for you to resign your position.

Then he is free to handle his business however he needs to.

And I’d be fine and respect him for that.

What he’s doing is remaining employed while still getting paid and taking up cap but not giving anything back in return.

If he is that fucked up from a mental health standpoint and just can’t do his job then quit your job.

And as Zele said, wallowing isn’t healthy either.

[955876]

Your problem is that you're assuming it's out of laziness...and you have absolutely NO idea if that's true other than making horribly inaccurate and negligent assumptions about mental health.

Are you not ASSUMING he has a severe mental health issue?

[sinceiwas4]

We know THAT Tuitt is not going to play this year and THAT he has been cleared physiologically.

We know, right now, exactly JACK SHIT about WHY he is not going to play.

Probably best to withhold judgment until the cause is more fully determined.

The meaning and purpose of life is not work, which is done out of necessity. I hope we all agree on that or there is something wrong with us.

have we even heard he isnt going to play this yr?although, at this point it seems likely he won't, i don't think i've read that anywhere for sure. we have HEARD he's been cleared physiologically, but we have no confirmation of that. IF it's true you're right, we absolutely know jack shit about why. so yes, we should withhold judgement. there's plenty to judge harshly about this team without needing to jump ahead and borrow trouble from the future on this story. especially when doing so is as ugly as pissing on someone with potential mental issues at the moment.