The Steelers Culture War

[COR-TEN]

Depends on what your tradition is and how one defines conservative, I guess. IMO, the Steelers have most certainly been a conservative organization over the years. Tomlin and A2 are conservative, even when they’re throwing the ball 40+ times. Cowher was conservative. Every time his offense moved inside the opponent’s 35, he’d button things up so as not to screw the FG chance. And while Noll may or may not have been conservative by 70s standards, I don’t exactly remember him being a huge gambler. But then, most of the time he had the best football team in the stadium on any particular game day.

Personally, I don’t give a tiny rats ass about identity,traditions, culture, the Steelers way, or any of that bullshit.
Just get the right people in place and figure out a way to consistently win football games!

Starting Gilliam over TB was a huge risk. Getting Bill Nunn and others to look at black colleges was a huge risk. Enter Joe Greene. Somehow talking Art SR into keeping holmes after firing a shotgun at a helicopter was a huge risk. Playing the pass over running the ball was a huge risk, considering everyone was "running the football." Cowher, at least entertained the Idea of Kordell. Risk. And fucked it up. Took a risk on an apparently big, clumsy running back in Bettis. I dunno. The idea is to take the risk when there is big reward. Otherwise, you can play it safe. As fans, we want risk all over the place, and then mock and ridicule when the risk didn't play out into a big gain. Cleveland has taken risks all over the place for how many years? Is that playing Non Conservative football business?

But I agree with you. The only "Identity" I want is winning Lombardi's.

[Jizz Mop]

Steelers are liberal

Of course not politically

But in terms of hires, tolerance of locker room cancers, tolerance of subpar coaching, tolerance of no losing seasons

I could go on but sadly I'm not giving as much a shit as I used to

[El Kabong]

Depends on what your tradition is and how one defines conservative, I guess. IMO, the Steelers have most certainly been a conservative organization over the years. Tomlin and A2 are conservative, even when they’re throwing the ball 40+ times. Cowher was conservative. Every time his offense moved inside the opponent’s 35, he’d button things up so as not to screw the FG chance. And while Noll may or may not have been conservative by 70s standards, I don’t exactly remember him being a huge gambler. But then, most of the time he had the best football team in the stadium on any particular game day.

Personally, I don’t give a tiny rats ass about identity,traditions, culture, the Steelers way, or any of that bullshit.
Just get the right people in place and figure out a way to consistently win football games!

Starting Gilliam over TB was a huge risk. Getting Bill Nunn and others to look at black colleges was a huge risk. Enter Joe Greene. Somehow talking Art SR into keeping holmes after firing a shotgun at a helicopter was a huge risk. Playing the pass over running the ball was a huge risk, considering everyone was "running the football." Cowher, at least entertained the Idea of Kordell. Risk. And fucked it up. Took a risk on an apparently big, clumsy running back in Bettis. I dunno. The idea is to take the risk when there is big reward. Otherwise, you can play it safe. As fans, we want risk all over the place, and then mock and ridicule when the risk didn't play out into a big gain. Cleveland has taken risks all over the place for how many years? Is that playing Non Conservative football business?

But I agree with you. The only "Identity" I want is winning Lombardi's.

I don't know if trading for Bettis was a risk. I remember the game in 1993 vs. Bettis's Rams. Bettis single handedly kicked our asses. We knew he was good.

[El Kabong]

but stopping the run has weakened. man do i miss the Lebeau yrs w/aaron smith kimo big snack the beard etc always shutting down the run no matter who the opponent was and no matter injuries. next man up actually worked back then consistently. scheme/coaching has to have a little do with that, ennit?

I remember people getting sick of LeBeau and his defense and wanting him gone. Because indeed it was a stop the run first defense. But it became a passing league, so people felt stopping the run wasn't as important, and also it meant playing zone with defenders playing off of receivers that Brady would exploit and move up and down the field on us.

[BouldernBun]

Reluctant to make changes, strongly emphasizing tradition… I think the label fits.

Right, not the political sense, but the general sense... risk-adverse... erring on the side of caution.

The only era that really matters tho was NEVER like that

Ironic because both Cowher and Tomlin eras supposedly took their cues from Noll but Noll was an innovator and risk taker

Yes to this. We musta got lost, musta got lost.. What dragged us out of the 60's and into the 70's and beyond was innovation. Not seeing any these days from the top down.

[steelmann58]

Need to do whatever is needed to add another trophy what has happened in the last few years Is unacceptable

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

The Steelers have always had a strong, conservative culture.

What does this mean? I'm seriously asking. And if that means running a business, why is that conservative?

I mean a team that has 3 head coaches in the past 50+ some odd years is most certainly a conservative franchise relative to the rest of the league. I'm sure every team has a their things that they tried that were different, but the overarching theme of the Steelers is they have a way and it doesn't change.. it may have been a bit different than another team or other teams... but they didn't deviate from their way all that often. I mean you could argue "Look at what they did in the early 70's that was craaaazy".... but thats 50 years ago... they've been doing things the same way for the most part since then. They strive for stability in nearly all facets of their organization, even down to the field it seems. I'd call that fairly conservative in terms of change (sans any political overtones that send people's panties into a bunch)

[Jobu]

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[Baltostiller]

Can Heyward gets it…
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2021/ ... tion-talk/

“The tradition is winning. We’re all pissy and annoyed about it,” said defensive end Cam Heyward told Steelers media on Thursday. “At the end of the day, the tradition to be upheld is to win the game and play with a lot of effort. Everything else is beside the point.”

EFFORT...This is what pisses me off about this defense in particular. I swear it doesn't even seem if anyone gives a shit on some plays, especially Bush. I said this in another post but how the hell do some of these guys face their teammates in film sessions when they blatantly give up on some plays. Heyward runs down the field and makes tackles 20 yards downfield and Bush gets blown by and jogs. Fucking embarrassing.

If I were Heyward, I would have a defense only film session and rip the shit out of anyone not giving full fucking effort! This is embarrassing.

Watch as Mixon runs by Bush and Bush slows down. In the last second of this video, Heyward runs by Bush and looks at him like "what the fuck"
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