Covid Question

[955876]

Has the flu ever “run its course”?

Yes. And we are dealing with it on an annual basis without the hysteria.

That’s my point. It’s here every year with new strains and people die from it all the time.

The only difference is the “flu” doesn’t cause mass hysteria while Covid has been used to create mass hysteria.

[Professor Half Wit]

Has the flu ever “run its course”?

Yes. And we are dealing with it on an annual basis without the hysteria.

That’s my point. It’s here every year with new strains and people die from it all the time.

The only difference is the “flu” doesn’t cause mass hysteria while Covid has been used to create mass hysteria.

The notion that annual average flu deaths approaches anything like what we saw with Covid prior to the incoming omicron wave (which so far is looking good) is ridiculous. Good grief, guys.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Yes. And we are dealing with it on an annual basis without the hysteria.

That’s my point. It’s here every year with new strains and people die from it all the time.

The only difference is the “flu” doesn’t cause mass hysteria while Covid has been used to create mass hysteria.

The notion that annual average flu deaths approaches anything like what we saw with Covid prior to the incoming omicron wave (which so far is looking good) is ridiculous. Good grief, guys.

Not to be argumentative or dismissive of Covid deaths but,
World population 1920 around 2 billion. Spanish Flu deaths worldwide 50-100 milliion.
World population 2020 around 8 billion. Covid deaths worldwide 5.5 million.

[Professor Half Wit]

That’s my point. It’s here every year with new strains and people die from it all the time.

The only difference is the “flu” doesn’t cause mass hysteria while Covid has been used to create mass hysteria.

The notion that annual average flu deaths approaches anything like what we saw with Covid prior to the incoming omicron wave (which so far is looking good) is ridiculous. Good grief, guys.

Not to be argumentative or dismissive of Covid deaths but,
World population 1920 around 2 billion. Spanish Flu deaths worldwide 50-100 milliion.
World population 2020 around 8 billion. Covid deaths worldwide 5.5 million.

I don’t think you are being argumentative. Post the flu deaths in the same span as the Covid pandemic.

[Texas Black & Gold]

The notion that annual average flu deaths approaches anything like what we saw with Covid prior to the incoming omicron wave (which so far is looking good) is ridiculous. Good grief, guys.

Not to be argumentative or dismissive of Covid deaths but,
World population 1920 around 2 billion. Spanish Flu deaths worldwide 50-100 milliion.
World population 2020 around 8 billion. Covid deaths worldwide 5.5 million.

I don’t think you are being argumentative. Post the flu deaths in the same span as the Covid pandemic.

"The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans." This is from google History.com
I'm not sure what the span was. My guess is just one year.
Which is slightly different from the other numbers.

[Professor Half Wit]

Maybe I misunderstand. Are you comparing Covid to Spanish flu or flu in its current incarnation? Bc way less people die from the flu NOW than have from Covid on a yearly basis. And that is why I could not track the analogy.

“People die from the flu every year. Why are we hysterical about covid?”

That’s what I took away.

[955876]

I’m saying even as death rates have gone down and will continue to go down further there are those that will use Covid to manipulate their agenda. Unlike the flu.

Look no further than Chicago teachers refusing to do their jobs.

The “science” that crowd likes to chirp they follow isn’t saying schools should be shut back down.

And yet, because of Covid they create the hysteria to get themselves back out of the classrooms. And kids back at home.

It’s nonsense.

[Ice]

You're not taking crazy pills, Lit. A hard right was definitely made from comparing current flu and COVID to bringing up the 1920s, just in time to avoid the crash.

[955876]

I’m certainly not interested in comparing the Spanish Flu of the 20s. Medicine is far and away more advanced than then.

It’s not a comparable argument.

[Ice]

I’m saying even as death rates have gone down and will continue to go down further there are those that will use Covid to manipulate their agenda.

Look no further than Chicago teachers refusing to do their jobs.

The “science” that crowd likes to chirp they follow isn’t saying schools should be shut back down.

And yet, because of Covid they create the hysteria to get themselves back out of the classrooms. And kids back at home.

It’s nonsense.

Speaking as a lifelong educator, this post is 18 pounds of bullshit in a 16 ounce bag. When half the staff in a school building is quarantined, you can't run the school. I don't have a single colleague in my building, or around the country, and I go to national conferences and have a wide network, that isn't willing to be in the building, doing the hard work of trying to pull our students back up from the disaster that was pandemic education, risking health and spending holidays away from vulnerable family to do so. Nobody WANTS to go back to virtual. NOBODY. This post demonstrates an alarming amount of ignorance, and denigrates a lot of good people, including myself and several others on this site.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Maybe I misunderstand. Are you comparing Covid to Spanish flu or flu in its current incarnation? Bc way less people die from the flu NOW than have from Covid on a yearly basis. And that is why I could not track the analogy.

“People die from the flu every year. Why are we hysterical about covid?”

That’s what I took away.

We are almost 2 years into Covid and it really isn't new anymore. I think most people know how to mitigate the impact of Covid by now. My use of the word hysteria might be incorrect. But I truly don't think we need 24/7 coverage of Covid.
Turn on the TV, Covid. Turn channels, Covid.
Turn on the radio, Covid. Turn stations, Covid.
Pickup the paper, Covid, Turn the page, Covid.
Log onto the internet, and you get Covid alerts on every webpage.
Try to watch a sporting event and you get Covid updates.
Try to fly anywhere and you are screened for Covid.
Go to a restaurant in some places and you must prove you been vaccinated.
Attend a certain University and you are restricted to its campus because of Covid.

I can go on and on but you probably understand. I might be selfish but I just don't think we need to live like this. The medical community has worked wonders and have made significant advances. Yes they are stressed in areas but resources can be reallocated to meet the demand.

[beerbrother]

Even though paralysis & disfigurement is quite different, my mother compared the Covid-Panic to that of Polio.

Just imagine if that shit was weaponized.

[955876]

I can go on and on but you probably understand. I might be selfish but I just don't think we need to live like this.

They aren’t in Florida and are no worse off for it.

Matter of fact, you get lockdown and hysteria spreading dimwits like AOC promoting that crap in her district then running off to sunny & free Florida maskless.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Even though paralysis & disfigurement is quite different, my mother compared the Covid-Panic to that of Polio.

Just imagine if that shit was weaponized.

I like your Steelers Bear. Looks very unique.

[Texas Black & Gold]

I can go on and on but you probably understand. I might be selfish but I just don't think we need to live like this.

They aren’t in Florida and are no worse off for it.

Matter of fact, you get lockdown and hysteria spreading dimwits like AOC promoting that crap in her district then running off to sunny & free Florida maskless.

I am grateful to live in Texas. But it was very sad visiting NYC in November.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

I don't think they really attribue flu deaths to the flu, from what I remember it was always attributed to what killed you directly.

I believe Covid has been treated completely different in that regard, and I'm guessing if a hospital can make money on a covid death, they can easily find a way to manage that being the case if needed.

[beerbrother]

I’m saying even as death rates have gone down and will continue to go down further there are those that will use Covid to manipulate their agenda.

Look no further than Chicago teachers refusing to do their jobs.

The “science” that crowd likes to chirp they follow isn’t saying schools should be shut back down.

And yet, because of Covid they create the hysteria to get themselves back out of the classrooms. And kids back at home.

It’s nonsense.

Speaking as a lifelong educator, this post is 18 pounds of bullshit in a 16 ounce bag. When half the staff in a school building is quarantined, you can't run the school. I don't have a single colleague in my building, or around the country, and I go to national conferences and have a wide network, that isn't willing to be in the building, doing the hard work of trying to pull our students back up from the disaster that was pandemic education, risking health and spending holidays away from vulnerable family to do so. Nobody WANTS to go back to virtual. NOBODY. This post demonstrates an alarming amount of ignorance, and denigrates a lot of good people, including myself and several others on this site.

Have lots of respect for you teachers. Definitely not the job for me. The ones I know are ready to get back to the classroom.

Hoping they don't try and go virtual on the job fairs again. When recruiting new employees from college I like to meet them in person.

Also gives me the opportunity to talk with the professors about the students, curriculum and just BS a little.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

I will I am very hopeful the speed this new varient seems to be working, with his fairly mild symptoms... almost seems like a bleessing - this is exactly where you want the virus to progress.

It seems very typical of most other viruses in human history - as the dominant strain becomes the one that can survive as opposed to the one that kills off hosts.

I think when you see the "must do something" start affecting the pocket books of NFL owners and other sports leagues - they become the ones that take the first steps back to sanity, ie the NFL changes how it gets positive asymptomatic players back to playing. Eventually the rest of society follows suit. People stop running to the ER to "get tested" (as my brother relayed a story of a family of 4 rushing in to get tested... on Christmas).

My wife has worked as an outpatient physical therapist... 8+ hours a day seeing patients from all over as they come into the office. She's madsue visits. No covid yet, but people have been on the firing line so to speak. Can't be part of the laptop class in that profession (as a member of the laptop class myself, I am allowed to use that term).

[955876]

I don't think they really attribue flu deaths to the flu, from what I remember it was always attributed to what killed you directly.

I believe Covid has been treated completely different in that regard, and I'm guessing if a hospital can make money on a covid death, they can easily find a way to manage that being the case if needed.

Ding ding ding

[955876]

Speaking as a lifelong educator, this post is 18 pounds of bullshit in a 16 ounce bag. When half the staff in a school building is quarantined, you can't run the school. I

Tell me why Chicago teachers union went back to online?

And why is it teachers, protected by a union, that keep finding ways to not go to work while the rest of the working public has managed ?

I respect teachers. The teachers unions are full of shit.

And btw, there are teachers that have been caught bragging bout how they can milk this till June.

Dont give me this shit that I’m full of shit. All I’m doing is watching over and over how teachers and their union keep fighting to not return to class.

There has been a very big issue with teachers not going back to work.

And they certainly are not “following the science “

Private schools, like the one CA Governor Gayvin Newsome sends his kids to remained open during pandemic. Open now.

But pubic schools need to be closed. And what have they done with the billions in Covid relief?

Hmmmmm

[Ice]

Possible the folks trying to get tested... on Christmas... had jobs where they didn't get off until Christmas Day and were going to see elderly or immunocompromised relatives. I got tested... on Christmas Eve... before going to visit my sister and the four 6-9 year old kids in the house.

I hear you @beerbrother, there's pretty much no interpersonal interaction that's not damaged by having to do it virtually. It sucks. As much as I'm not a fan of doing whole staff development meetings, even those are far better in person.

[beerbrother]

Even though paralysis & disfigurement is quite different, my mother compared the Covid-Panic to that of Polio.

Just imagine if that shit was weaponized.

I like your Steelers Bear. Looks very unique.

My wife won't let me tell the whole story about the bear.

One of her seniors made it for Garth Brooks when she found out he was a Steeler's fan. She bought a bunch of material thinking he was going to buy them but it never happened.

My wife paid $25 for it and we shipped it to my mother for Christmas who collects bears for grandkids.

Her senior made another one for me out of the material she had. She is doing some Raider's bears for some of my wife's coworkers.

Can do any team if she can find the fabric.

[Kodiak.]

I wouldn't use the Chicago teacher's union to characterize. Seems they go on strike every contract for more money.

Also, I think like 72% voted to go remote until the case numbers come down. Even Mayor Beetlejuice said the teacher aren't following the science. But 72% blows me away - not even close, so clearly a large number choosing to be lazy because they can.

Probably not some grand conspiracy or anything unique to teachers or unions. When survey after survey shows a majority of people hate their jobs, I'm guessing those people would do the same if they could. But maybe next contract stop pretending like you're anything more than a glorified babysitter with the best of interests of the children in mind.

[Professor Half Wit]

So we’re all clear that this attempted analogy between Covid prior to omicron and seasonal flu is full of shit, yes?

[Professor Half Wit]

Even Mayor Beetlejuice said the teacher aren't following the science.

This is as funny as it is tasteless. It’s very tasteless.

[Ice]

stop pretending like you're anything more than a glorified babysitter with the best of interests of the children in mind.

Stay classy.

I just remembered the one plus of virtual social interaction. The mute button.

[Kodiak.]

So we’re all clear that this attempted analogy between Covid prior to omicron and seasonal flu is full of shit, yes?

Not really. Back before the flu vaccine was invented, a bad flu season would have killed like 150,000 people (population adjusted) in a single winter.

Sure, we're losing 3-4X that to Covid annually, but the comparisons don't extend to the mass hysteria and bullshit half measures. And, of course, nearly 2 years in now certain people are starting to change their tune and starting to sound a lot like people they mocked as "anti-science" not even 6 months ago.

[Kodiak.]

Stay classy.

I just remembered the one plus of virtual social interaction. The mute button.

Let's not pretend like the teaching profession isn't filled with the typical number of useless assholes that hate their job, just like every other profession. But they are they only profession that thinks their shit doesn't stink, as demonstrated every new contract.

[Professor Half Wit]

So we’re all clear that this attempted analogy between Covid prior to omicron and seasonal flu is full of shit, yes?

Sure, we're losing 3-4X that to Covid annually

So the analogy was stupid. Cool.

[955876]

Walmart is open

Target is open

The groceries stores are open

The liquor stores are open

The cannabis dispensaries are open.

63,000 people can gather at Soldier field to watch a football game.

I could go on all night.

But a teacher can’t step foot in a classroom with some 7 year olds.

And I’m the one full of shit.

Riiiight.