Steelers interviewing Giants DC and Saints DB Coach

[steelmann58]

any chance Art steps in for the OC spot to.

[Jobu]

any chance Art steps in for the OC spot to.

https://youtu.be/XVHQymQU9Uw

[Stosh-67]

Ah Ha!
Found it.

Tomlin loves the VA guys.
Early coaching gig in Virginia.
Richmond, 2004,5 and 6.

Rival of Tomlins William and Mary

Wagner (2002–2003)
Graduate assistant
Richmond (2004)
Defensive line coach
Richmond (2005–2006)
Tight ends coach
Notre Dame (2007–2008)
Graduate assistant
Toledo (2009)
Defensive line coach
New England Patriots (2009)
Coaching assistant
New England Patriots (2010)
Defensive assistant
New England Patriots (2011)
Linebackers coach
New England Patriots (2012–2013)
Defensive line coach
New England Patriots (2014–2015)
Linebackers coach
New York Giants (2016–2017)
Defensive line coach
Green Bay Packers (2018)
Linebackers coach & run game coordinator
Miami Dolphins (2019)
Defensive coordinator
New York Giants (2020–present)
Assistant head coach & defensive coordinator

But the things that i like about him.

ONE
He has a head on his shoulders.
Graduated from Yale in 2001
We currently do not have a thinker, a planner or a spur of the moment decision maker.
And for that matter, a guy who plans for spur of the moment decisions on Monday and Tuesdays.

TWO
He spent 7 year under Bill Belicheks wing. In his meetings, understanding his inner workings. Learning about details, match-ups, strategy, football philosophy, game planning, mentality, etc. etc.......

The interview process needs to involve Kevin Colbert and not just Tomlin.
If Tomlin feels the candidate is smarter and sharper and not just words and catch phrases.......he could be hesitant to bringing in that guy.

[Orangesteel]

As someone mentioned, the Giants defense was actually pretty damn good under Graham. Their offense was a dumpster fire, so pretty much their only competitive edge in the games they won/lost was because of the defensive side of the ball.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Ah Ha!
Found it.

Tomlin loves the VA guys.
Early coaching gig in Virginia.
Richmond, 2004,5 and 6.

Rival of Tomlins William and Mary

Wagner (2002–2003)
Graduate assistant
Richmond (2004)
Defensive line coach
Richmond (2005–2006)
Tight ends coach
Notre Dame (2007–2008)
Graduate assistant
Toledo (2009)
Defensive line coach
New England Patriots (2009)
Coaching assistant
New England Patriots (2010)
Defensive assistant
New England Patriots (2011)
Linebackers coach
New England Patriots (2012–2013)
Defensive line coach
New England Patriots (2014–2015)
Linebackers coach
New York Giants (2016–2017)
Defensive line coach
Green Bay Packers (2018)
Linebackers coach & run game coordinator
Miami Dolphins (2019)
Defensive coordinator
New York Giants (2020–present)
Assistant head coach & defensive coordinator

But the things that i like about him.

ONE
He has a head on his shoulders.
Graduated from Yale in 2001
We currently do not have a thinker, a planner or a spur of the moment decision maker.
And for that matter, a guy who plans for spur of the moment decisions on Monday and Tuesdays.

TWO
He spent 7 year under Bill Belicheks wing. In his meetings, understanding his inner workings. Learning about details, match-ups, strategy, football philosophy, game planning, mentality, etc. etc.......

The interview process needs to involve Kevin Colbert and not just Tomlin.
If Tomlin feels the candidate is smarter and sharper and not just words and catch phrases.......he could be hesitant to bringing in that guy.

This really fits with my thread I just started!

https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... =2&t=20178

We need the greatest defensive mind ever if we are to win in the next 20 years!

[Steeldrama]

If Tomlin feels the candidate is smarter and sharper and not just words and catch phrases.......he could be hesitant to bringing in that guy.

Exactly

However Tomlin won’t just be hesitant, he flat out won’t hire the guy.

The word “Yale” alone on Graham’s impressive resume tells me this is not a candidate chosen by Tomlin.

This is a very positive development IMO.

I’m trying to repress the notion that this is just a Joe jerkoff meeting to appease a groaning fanbase.

Tomlin needs to be neutered (preferably fired)

Hiring a highly qualified DC and giving him full autonomy to run a proven NFL defense is a step in the right direction

[Steelperch]

This guy also could bring you draft picks when he’s hired away to be a HC somewhere. Then again, he could be the Steelers next HC when Tomlin hangs ‘em up after the 2024 season. This is a savvy move by Rooney.

[Professor Half Wit]

This guy also could bring you draft picks when he’s hired away to be a HC somewhere. Then again, he could be the Steelers next HC when Tomlin hangs ‘em up after the 2024 season. This is a savvy move by Rooney.

Will you get upset if I start board stalking you asking for a season wrap-up podcast?

Can we please have a season wrap-up podcast?

[DP39]

If Tomlin feels the candidate is smarter and sharper and not just words and catch phrases.......he could be hesitant to bringing in that guy.

Exactly

However Tomlin won’t just be hesitant, he flat out won’t hire the guy.

The word “Yale” alone on Graham’s impressive resume tells me this is not a candidate chosen by Tomlin.

This is a very positive development IMO.

I’m trying to repress the notion that this is just a Joe jerkoff meeting to appease a groaning fanbase.

Tomlin needs to be neutered (preferably fired)

Hiring a highly qualified DC and giving him full autonomy to run a proven NFL defense is a step in the right direction

I agree. Graham from the Giants (Mara owned) seems more like an Art II move to me. Hopefully the guy is the anti-Tomlin, is hired and if he produces in the next year or so becomes Tomlin's replacement.

He seems to meet many of the PS FO's requirements/previous MO....(age, appears intelligent, connection to town/family/organization, and race (Rooney rule)).

Art, please get a "real" DC in here and tell MT he ONLY gets to do what he does best; motivate and cheer -- not truly lead. Keep him the hell away from the X's and O's and let him just hang out with (not pick them) the Jimmys and Joes.

[955876]

Can we please have a season wrap-up podcast?

We were “below the line” if you will.

Podcast done.

[Steelperch]

This guy also could bring you draft picks when he’s hired away to be a HC somewhere. Then again, he could be the Steelers next HC when Tomlin hangs ‘em up after the 2024 season. This is a savvy move by Rooney.

Will you get upset if I start board stalking you asking for a season wrap-up podcast?

Can we please have a season wrap-up podcast?

@bradshaw2ben the people speak

[Orangesteel]

Podcast please!

You could spend an hour talking about the games this weekend. They were incredible.

[bradshaw2ben]

I missed them all! I saw like 5min of Titans/Cincy--mostly sacks of Burrow, saw a bit of the 4thQ of GB/SF but missed the last 2min, only to see the FG to win, Saw next to nothing of TB/Rams other than checking in for the score once in a while and hearing TB had a chance to tie at the end, saw the last 2min and OT of KC-Buffalo. That's it. On the best weekend of NFL football every year––maybe one of the best ever.

I'm at a birthday gathering in Palm Springs with like 20 people who don't even understand that there is an NFL, with horrible internet. So it goes.

[Jizz Mop]

Can we please have a season wrap-up podcast?

We were “below the line” if you will.

Podcast done.

May I add “no losing seasons streak increased.”

[CzechSteeler]

I missed them all! I saw like 5min of Titans/Cincy--mostly sacks of Burrow, saw a bit of the 4thQ of GB/SF but missed the last 2min, only to see the FG to win, Saw next to nothing of TB/Rams other than checking in for the score once in a while and hearing TB had a chance to tie at the end, saw the last 2min and OT of KC-Buffalo. That's it. On the best weekend of NFL football every year––maybe one of the best ever.

I'm at a birthday gathering in Palm Springs with like 20 people who don't even understand that there is an NFL, with horrible internet. So it goes.

Feel your pain, bro

[BethlehemSteel]

In butler thread

Austin if he becomes DC will not call plays

Tomlin called plays for LeBeau's last few years

Art must be turning heat with the Giants DC visit

[Kodiak.]

Art must be turning heat with the Giants DC visit

Why would anyone want to make a lateral move to work with Tomlin? Graham is interviewing for head coaching jobs - why would he want to kill his career?

Deuce going to promise him HC in 3 years? Interesting choice if that's the case...choose long-term job security knowing you inherit an absolute dumpster fire when Tomlin is done. Not sure a guy who agrees to that has the competitive juices you want for the job.

[steelmann58]

it all BS its so they can adhere to the rule again why would any legit DC want to come here to be a yes Man.
Art needs to take the reigns from him and find the best two guys for the OC and DC

[Jizz Mop]

it all BS its so they can adhere to the rule again why would any legit DC want to come here to be a yes Man.
Art needs to take the reigns from him and find the best two guys for the OC and DC

100% agree steelmann58

[jewelsongs]

it all BS its so they can adhere to the rule again why would any legit DC want to come here to be a yes Man.
Art needs to take the reigns from him and find the best two guys for the OC and DC

If you look at the past history, the Rooneys had quiet a bit to do with the coordinators. Tomlin inherited Lebeau and Arians. The Rooneys made them "retire" Arians. the Rooneys promised Butler he would be the next defensive coordinator when another team wanted to hire him. Lebeau stayed longer than expected, but the Rooneys kept their word with Butler. The Rooneys hired Haley. Danny Smith was Pittsburgh born and went to Central Catholic. Tomlin favors Virginia. The Rooneys favor Pittsburgh and the Catholic School backgrounds. They kept Fichtner because Ben wanted him. I don't know who picked Canada, but you could argue that the Rooneys have had a lot more to do with the coordinators under Tomlin than Tomlin did.

Art doesn't need to take the reins. He has the reigns. Maybe someone should take them from him.

[BethlehemSteel]

it all BS its so they can adhere to the rule again why would any legit DC want to come here to be a yes Man.
Art needs to take the reigns from him and find the best two guys for the OC and DC

If you look at the past history, the Rooneys had quiet a bit to do with the coordinators. Tomlin inherited Lebeau and Arians. The Rooneys made them "retire" Arians. the Rooneys promised Butler he would be the next defensive coordinator when another team wanted to hire him. Lebeau stayed longer than expected, but the Rooneys kept their word with Butler. The Rooneys hired Haley. Danny Smith was Pittsburgh born and went to Central Catholic. Tomlin favors Virginia. The Rooneys favor Pittsburgh and the Catholic School backgrounds. They kept Fichtner because Ben wanted him. I don't know who picked Canada, but you could argue that the Rooneys have had a lot more to do with the coordinators under Tomlin than Tomlin did.

Art doesn't need to take the reins. He has the reigns. Maybe someone should take them from him.

Yes this would help too, hand it to his brother Dan

[Kodiak.]

Art doesn't need to take the reins. He has the reigns. Maybe someone should take them from him.

What's that say about your boy Mikey that he basically gets cuckolded on one of the most critical aspects of his job?

Of course, that really isn't the case. It looks to me like Mikey only makes changes when he needs a scapegoat. So less cuckolding and a lot more dereliction of duty that forces Deuce to come in and tell Tomlin to make a move.

[steelmann58]

i agree about Art far from his dad

[jewelsongs]

Art doesn't need to take the reins. He has the reigns. Maybe someone should take them from him.

What's that say about your boy Mikey that he basically gets cuckolded on one of the most critical aspects of his job?

Of course, that really isn't the case. It looks to me like Mikey only makes changes when he needs a scapegoat. So less cuckolding and a lot more dereliction of duty that forces Deuce to come in and tell Tomlin to make a move.

Let me explain how companies work in America. There is a person called the "owner". They can do most anything they want, including hiring the key personnel. If other employees don't like it , they can quit. If they make millions of dollars a year, they probably have the good sense to not quit.

Tomlin doesn't need a scapegoat. If, like so many of you say, he is a "coach for life", then a scapegoat is unnecessary. He is "the coach for life". They extended Tomlin knowing that Colbert was leaving. They didn't want a new coach and a new GM. After Colbert leaves, Tomlin will be on the hot seat. The owner will not want to lose money. That is why we don't pay competitive wages for coordinators. That is why we have one of the smaller coaching staffs. And if people continue to not show up for games, that is why we will get a new coach. But remember who hired the coordinators will also be hiring the new coach.

[Kodiak.]

Let me explain how companies work in America. There is a person called the "owner". They can do most anything they want, including hiring the key personnel. If other employees don't like it , they can quit. If they make millions of dollars a year, they probably have the good sense to not quit.

Tomlin doesn't need a scapegoat. If, like so many of you say, he is a "coach for life", then a scapegoat is unnecessary. He is "the coach for life". They extended Tomlin knowing that Colbert was leaving. They didn't want a new coach and a new GM. After Colbert leaves, Tomlin will be on the hot seat. The owner will not want to lose money. That is why we don't pay competitive wages for coordinators. That is why we have one of the smaller coaching staffs. And if people continue to not show up for games, that is why we will get a new coach. But remember who hired the coordinators will also be hiring the new coach.

LOL, thanks for the lesson on how you think companies operate. Owners typically fire people who don't cut it. The owner doesn't like to do that stuff, that's why they hire people to run their company. In no universe does a boss have to do part of an employee's job and not eventually fire that guy. In no universe do stars let incompetent bosses hold them back and sabotage them.

Also, star performers and rainmakers, like Tomlin supposedly is, tell dumbass bosses to stick it all the time. They usually end up getting paid more by a competitor. So why doesn't your boy do that? Because he knows he's a fraud. Like I said, either he's a cuckold or he actually does control who he hires. You think he's a cuckold, but you also think he's a superstar - no, that does not compute.

And you're wrong, yet again, when you say Tomlin doesn't need a scapegoat. Whether or not he has a job for life isn't the only reason to scapegoat - people at that level also care how they are perceived. And I assure you he cares deeply about it, especially with a HOF jacket slipping away...

[BethlehemSteel]

I think tomlins game has been to hide behind people to insulate his issues

The parades of yes men coaches over “loyalty”

“Standard is the standard”

Time for him to quit and give the Rooney’s one choice to restore the 12 years of folly and a wasted HOF QB closure

[Jizz Mop]

Bottom line

We are fucked until Tomlin is no longer HC

#readitandweep

[jewelsongs]

I was a Vice President and Corporate Officer for a Fortune 50 company from my early 40s until I retired in my mid 50s. I have been in many board rooms, and have bought and run companies. I live at the beach in California. I believe I understand how companies work. Rooney telling Tomlin what to do does not make Tomlin a "cuckold". It makes him an employee. Tomlin can leave and get paid more by a competitor any time he wants. Maybe he likes living in Pittsburgh. It is a great town. Maybe his wife likes living there.

I haven't said he is a superstar. You seem compelled to embellish what I said. I think he is a very good coach, but not Chuck Noll. I have said that in many other threads on this site. I think he is a top 10 coach in this league. I think many of the things said on this site are absurd, made by people without any sense of real analysis, just emotionally driven. Name the coach who could take the Steelers' roster this year with all the injuries and still be playing this weekend. It is a talent deficiency.

[955876]

I think many of the things said on this site are absurd, made by people without any sense of real analysis, just emotionally driven.

Steelers score a TD with 2:55 left to play that puts them up by 4.

The opponent completes 3 straight passes with no time outs called. With 1:59 left on game clock they then complete a 39 yard pass down to our 7 yard line. No time out is called.

The opponent (knowing a FG does them no good) runs up the middle for a 1 yard gain with 1:16 left on game clock. They are obviously burning clock because from their perspective they have an eternity of time. So by running they either (a) force us to use a TO or (b) burn a shit load of clock if we (idiotically) don’t call a TO.

No time out is called and the clock drains all the way down to 0:34 left in the game.

An incomplete pass on next play takes clock to 0:30.

And yet for some reason, even though clock is stopped already due to incomplete pass at 0:25, Jibbs calls a time out here. Obviously to set defense. Ummm something that should have (obviously) been done after the first down run. He could have set defense for the coming pass plays then.

Next play opponent completes a TD pass.

They kick off with 0:21 left in the game.

After zero yard gain from Ryan Switzer, Ben and the O take the field with 0:15 seconds.

Then after a crazy pass & lateral that gains a shit load of yards, Boswell is rushed onto the field to kick the FG with the clock ticking away at 0:05.

He slips on what was a rushed attempt and misses the kick.

Jibbs comes home with a TO left in pocket

In his presser he says he was trying to put “time pressure” on Gruden.

How so Jibbs?

We only needed a FG to force OT and had you used your time outs properly Ben might have had quite a bit more time than the 0:15 seconds you left him.

Are those the decisions of a “top 10” coach at this level?

It’s absurdly dumb what he did.

If he can’t manage the game clock he can’t be trusted to call the defense when the pressure is on.


That isn’t a display of a “good coach” in my book.

Even dumb Raider fans were like, why aren’t they using their time outs???

Welp, because we have this fellow we call Jibbs and he’s “special”…

So was any of that absurd or emotional or based on lack of analysis??

Because that is the type of shit Jibbs get railed on around here for.

Tomlin supporters sure are funny.

[Kodiak.]

I was a Vice President and Corporate Officer for a Fortune 50 company from my early 40s until I retired in my mid 50s. I have been in many board rooms, and have bought and run companies. I live at the beach in California. I believe I understand how companies work. Rooney telling Tomlin what to do does not make Tomlin a "cuckold". It makes him an employee. Tomlin can leave and get paid more by a competitor any time he wants. Maybe he likes living in Pittsburgh. It is a great town. Maybe his wife likes living there.

I haven't said he is a superstar. You seem compelled to embellish what I said. I think he is a very good coach, but not Chuck Noll. I have said that in many other threads on this site. I think he is a top 10 coach in this league. I think many of the things said on this site are absurd, made by people without any sense of real analysis, just emotionally driven. Name the coach who could take the Steelers' roster this year with all the injuries and still be playing this weekend. It is a talent deficiency.

I've been in dozens of Board rooms, as well. I've NEVER seen owners tolerate executives who couldn't perform basic functions of the job. NEVER. I'm guessing other people in this forum who've been in Board rooms aren't likely to agree with your hot take. Maybe you're claims are true, but when I smell bullshit I'm usually right. Did your boss hire and fire your employees? I doubt it.

Let me ask you a simple question. If you agree Tomlin shouldn't run the defense, and obviously he's an offensive neanderthal...AND you don't think he hires his staff....What exactly is it you think he does that is so worthy of your time defending him?

The bolded is such a moronic statement it's not even worth responding to. You act like the guy hasn't been here 15 years and has no control over his staff and players. And as one of his few bootlickers that remain, these kind of idiotic excuses are
all you have left.