Humble pie, enjoy a slice

[Professor Half Wit]

As usual TB misses the point. Lol

Most of what matters about how a player turns out is which team they go to.

That’s why draft projections in the rear view are often flawed. Bad teams not bad players.

And just an FYI for those missing the big picture like TB. The Steelers are a bad team. And they just drafted Kenny fucking Pickett …..it’s not gonna turn out well.

As for the Low Watt criticisms…..lol…..the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first

No, I will NOT let you forget that Watt tipped a PATRICK MAHOMES pass so that Bush could intercept it and also recovered a fumble and SCORED A TD IN A PLAYOFF GAME.

Don't give us this "the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first" garbage. You are WRONG.

42-21 Chiefs

When Ben was under center it is a team sport, but when one of his whipping boys comes up, suddenly it's singles tennis.

[Valentino_Blake]

Remember, the expectation is he has to singlehandedly win us a playoff game on the non-scoring side of the football.

(at which time the goalposts would immediately move again)

[Gonzo]

Even his great talent couldn’t save the suck that was that D

[Steelafan77]

The "Humble Pie" for me is watching the rats continue to clean house in this draft improving..., albeit on paper by the moment while the Steelers "Do What They Do"...
Want to write that I'm confident in what the Steelers "PRO's" are doing but I simply can't bring myself to this conclusion. I've seen this cowboys and indians film before... tired of being the indians.

[El Kabong]

No, I will NOT let you forget that Watt tipped a PATRICK MAHOMES pass so that Bush could intercept it and also recovered a fumble and SCORED A TD IN A PLAYOFF GAME.

Don't give us this "the next time he makes an impact in a game that matters will be the first" garbage. You are WRONG.

42-21 Chiefs

When Ben was under center it is a team sport, but when one of his whipping boys comes up, suddenly it's singles tennis.

Right.

[SteelerDayTrader]

42-21 Chiefs

When Ben was under center it is a team sport, but when one of his whipping boys comes up, suddenly it's singles tennis.

Right.

Are you 2 idiots really comparing one of the greatest door slammers in nfl history to never slammed a door in his career low watt ??

You will understand if I feel no compunction to respond to your nonsense

[Professor Half Wit]

When Ben was under center it is a team sport, but when one of his whipping boys comes up, suddenly it's singles tennis.

Right.

Are you 2 idiots really comparing one of the greatest door slammers in nfl history to never slammed a door in his career low watt ??

You will understand if I feel no compunction to respond to your nonsense

Oh, I’d say your evasion says all that needs be said on your behalf.

[El Kabong]

Right.

Are you 2 idiots really comparing one of the greatest door slammers in nfl history to never slammed a door in his career low watt ??

You will understand if I feel no compunction to respond to your nonsense

Oh, I’d say your evasion says all that needs be said on your behalf.

Yeah, I was going to say, way to move the goalposts there, STD. You claimed Watt had never made an impact play in a meaningful game. I gave you two. You were wrong.

[SteelerDayTrader]

42-21 Chiefs

Great job Low Watt !!!!! Way to impact a game !!!

[El Kabong]

42-21 Chiefs

Great job Low Watt !!!!! Way to impact a game !!!

Watt accounted for one third of our points.

Do I need to say AGAIN how absurd it is to blame one player for the play of other players? You really blame Watt for Bush sucking? And if you think that way, you STILL won't answer why it's not Ben's fault for not raising the level of play of his teammates.

[SteelerDayTrader]

42-21 Chiefs

Great job Low Watt !!!!! Way to impact a game !!!

Watt accounted for one third of our points.

Do I need to say AGAIN how absurd it is to blame one player for the play of other players? You really blame Watt for Bush sucking? And if you think that way, you STILL won't answer why it's not Ben's fault for not raising the level of play of his teammates.

You are a dumbass with a dumbass agenda.

If you don’t understand 42-21 IS NOT door slamming I truly don’t know what to tell you ??

[El Kabong]

42-21 Chiefs

Great job Low Watt !!!!! Way to impact a game !!!

Watt accounted for one third of our points.

Do I need to say AGAIN how absurd it is to blame one player for the play of other players? You really blame Watt for Bush sucking? And if you think that way, you STILL won't answer why it's not Ben's fault for not raising the level of play of his teammates.

You are a dumbass with a dumbass agenda.

If you don’t understand 42-21 IS NOT door slamming I truly don’t know what to tell you ??

And YOU don't seem to understand that Watt did HIS part and the fact that other players on the team couldn't do theirs isn't his fault.

[MJG75]

There's a big reason people miss on draft picks. We just never quite know how competitive someone is. Grit is the biggest predictor of success in life. We just don't know how maniacal Pickett will be. He's a talented kid. Will he put in the 1000s of hours needed studying film, working on mechanics, footwork, timing, etc. to be one of the best?

To me, that's the missing element that no scout can quantify. How much heart, drive, and grit do you have?

Clearly, Colbert thinks Kenny has enough. Let's give the kid a chance.

Amen, brother. I agree with this 1000%.

We all know the story of Jack Lambert. In today's NFL his measurables would have likely never seen him drafted very high, if at all, in the modern NFL. Even then, he was dramatically undersized. Back then, Steelers scouts, front office, and coaching staff valued and looked for players with heart, with grit, with desire. You can't always tell though. But in Lambert's case, they scouted him one day when the Kent State field was a mess, so the team had to scrimmage on cement. When they saw Jack consistently, over and over again, tackle opposing players all out, having to pick cinders and gravel from his bare knees, only to get up and do it again--they knew.

Let's give Kenny a chance. I'm in his camp.

I will add, the analysis on this site is some of the most knowledgeable and insightful a fan will find. Right or wrong, I appreciate the time and effort that brothers on this site put in over the years to entertain and inform. Thank you, past and present.

[bradshaw2ben]

Do I like the Pickett pick? No, but I understand I can watch film all day and still not know a GD thing. Just going back a few years...

SteelerFury crew 2016 pre-draft mock:

1. SS Karl Joseph, West Virginia
2. DT Javon Hargrave, South Carolina State
3. DL Jihad Ward, Illinois
4. OL Spencer Drango, Baylor
6c. CB Kalan Reed, Southern Miss
7a. RB Darius Jackson, Eastern Michigan
7b. TE Rico Gathers, Baylor

FC's preferred pre-draft mock in 2017:

1.Deshone Kizer QB Notre Dame
2.Tyus Bowser LB Houston
3.Wayne Gallman Rb Clemson
3C.Josh Reynolds Wr Texas AM
4. Howard Wilson CB Houston
5. John Johnson S Boston College
6.Samson Ebukam OLB EWU
7.Chase Allen ILB Southern Illinois

Perch on the Steelers drafting Watt: "Won't be long before someone compares him to another athletic white edge rusher like Mike Mamula." B2B said pre-draft he had 3 first round picks to "smash the television set over" with two of those being T.J. Watt and Marlon Humphrey. FC literally talked about the possibility of moving TJ Watt inside. B2B said "To me, Watt is a 4-3 strongside outside linebacker." Perch said the same thing. You know, the guy who going to be a HOFer as the best pass rusher in Steelers history. https://www.spreaker.com/user/12306403/ ... cast-s10e1

SteelerFury crew 2017 pre-draft mock:

1. Tyus Bowser LB
2. Quincy Wilson CB
3a. Marcus Maye S
3b. Jordan Leggett TE
4. Ryan Switzer WR
5. T.J. Logan RB
6. Collins Bevins DT
7. Robert Tonyan TE (noice)

Why this board annually loses its shit every draft year I'll never understand. For every guy we like who ends up working out there will be 4-5 if not more who suck. Sit back and enjoy the crash. We all don't know a damn thing.

I'm surprised I said that about Watt, because he tested above the threshold for me to view him as elite pass rusher, and I usually push those guys way to the top. I'm guessing I had the wrong info for him. Mea culpa. I actually remember loving the pick when it happened, so I'm not sure I wasn't educated too late for that podcast.

but your point is obviously well-taken.

[bradshaw2ben]

But my macro point is that relatively speaking, no one knows dick. In draft projections it's kind of like a baseball batting average: if you get to .300 you're a first-ballot HOFer, but you're still making an ass of yourself 7 out of 10 times. So getting that emotionally invested seems pretty... I don't know, lacking awareness? My initial reaction to Pickett was laughter and disgust, but who knows.

Laughter and disgust about sums it up. Grief at the loss of a 2023 QB, also.

At least the Robinson pick is growing on me, Great looking STs guy, at least. Little to no experience as a LB, but may turn into something there. Still a guy you could have UDFAed but, right on.

[bradshaw2ben]

Genuinely not trying to pile on, but.....

https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... f=2&t=3168

If you jump back to the posts about the 2015 draft, this board really didn't want Landon Collins in 2015. Oops.

I think Collins is ok.. even solid... but I feel pretty good about what I wrote.

If you want to dream, find someone suggesting Stephon Diggs or Erik Kendricks at 1.23 that year!

[Pabst]

Genuinely not trying to pile on, but.....

https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... f=2&t=3168

If you jump back to the posts about the 2015 draft, this board really didn't want Landon Collins in 2015. Oops.

I think Collins is ok.. even solid... but I feel pretty good about what I wrote.

If you want to dream, find someone suggesting Stephon Diggs or Erik Kendricks at 1.23 that year!

Wasn't pointing to you exclusively - there's alot of anti-Collins in that thread.

And I'm not knocking you, either. There are so many variable that make the draft a crap shoot.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Good thread!

[LakecrestSteeler]

Grit is the biggest predictor of success in life.

I really don't mean to derail the thread, but this statement, imo, is bullshit. What happens when player A has just as much "grit" as player B, but player B gets the success in the NFL, and player A ends up in the CFL as a no name?

How many times have you heard players and coaches say "Player A works his ass off, is a student of the game, has all the athleticism and physical talent for success," but ends up bouncing from team to team barely sniffing success?

I read Franco’s point as all things being equal…grit is the determining factor. Tough to get to all things being equal.

There is luck involved too! Get drafted and an injury happens to you or the guy preventing you from starting. Get drafted and you go to the best position coach or best organization or you get 4 OCs in a row or they hire 3 HCs in 4 years.

But then you could also argue Joe Green turned the Steelers into the best organization by his personality, hard work and meshing with others of his same ilk that just happened to be in Pittsburgh at the right place and time.

[Mick]

But my macro point is that relatively speaking, no one knows dick. In draft projections it's kind of like a baseball batting average: if you get to .300 you're a first-ballot HOFer, but you're still making an ass of yourself 7 out of 10 times. So getting that emotionally invested seems pretty... I don't know, lacking awareness? My initial reaction to Pickett was laughter and disgust, but who knows.

Laughter and disgust about sums it up. Grief at the loss of a 2023 QB, also.

At least the Robinson pick is growing on me, Great looking STs guy, at least. Little to no experience as a LB, but may turn into something there. Still a guy you could have UDFAed but, right on.

i was on the 2023 QB bandwagon, but the logic at the time was “#3ish QB in 2023 >>> #3ish QB in 2022.”

Now we’ve learned basically every other QB-hungry team in the league is looking at 2023, vs. first pick of 2022 without a tradeup, the scale is pretty different.

I think now we would be looking at the #5 or so QB next year. So realistically 2024 or 2025 before a serious chance to get someone.

[tbsteel]

But my macro point is that relatively speaking, no one knows dick. In draft projections it's kind of like a baseball batting average: if you get to .300 you're a first-ballot HOFer, but you're still making an ass of yourself 7 out of 10 times. So getting that emotionally invested seems pretty... I don't know, lacking awareness? My initial reaction to Pickett was laughter and disgust, but who knows.

Laughter and disgust about sums it up. Grief at the loss of a 2023 QB, also.

At least the Robinson pick is growing on me, Great looking STs guy, at least. Little to no experience as a LB, but may turn into something there. Still a guy you could have UDFAed but, right on.

i was on the 2023 QB bandwagon, but the logic at the time was “#3ish QB in 2023 >>> #3ish QB in 2022.”

Now we’ve learned basically every other QB-hungry team in the league is looking at 2023, vs. first pick of 2022 without a tradeup, the scale is pretty different.

I think now we would be looking at the #5 or so QB next year. So realistically 2024 or 2025 before a serious chance to get someone.

I saw The Draft Network put out a 2023 mock draft. Obviously it will look completely different a year from now, but they had 4 QBs in the top ten: CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Will Levis, and Tyler Van Dyke.

The Dolphins, Seahawks, Texans, Lions, and Eagles all have multiple first round picks in 2023. Honestly all 5 could be looking at QB dependent on Jalen Hurts and Tua working out or not.

Unless we completely bottom out with Tomlin, which I don't think is going to happen, best case (or worst case I suppose) scenario is we're picking in the low to mid teens next year, which means we're probably looking at the 4th, 5th, or 6th QB taken, and we won't have the draft ammo to move up more than the teams above.

So yeah, I think you can make a good argument that the Steelers best case for finding the next QB, if bottoming out and finishing with a top 5 draft pick isn't an option, is to take a flawed prospect or someone who has fallen with questions, hope they have the right intangibles, and that it hits. Maybe that's what they're thinking with Pickett, or maybe not. But any QB they take is going to have some legit questions/concerns based on where they're usually picking.

Whether that works out or not, to be determined hah.

[bradshaw2ben]

But my macro point is that relatively speaking, no one knows dick. In draft projections it's kind of like a baseball batting average: if you get to .300 you're a first-ballot HOFer, but you're still making an ass of yourself 7 out of 10 times. So getting that emotionally invested seems pretty... I don't know, lacking awareness? My initial reaction to Pickett was laughter and disgust, but who knows.

Laughter and disgust about sums it up. Grief at the loss of a 2023 QB, also.

At least the Robinson pick is growing on me, Great looking STs guy, at least. Little to no experience as a LB, but may turn into something there. Still a guy you could have UDFAed but, right on.

i was on the 2023 QB bandwagon, but the logic at the time was “#3ish QB in 2023 >>> #3ish QB in 2022.”

Now we’ve learned basically every other QB-hungry team in the league is looking at 2023, vs. first pick of 2022 without a tradeup, the scale is pretty different.

I think now we would be looking at the #5 or so QB next year. So realistically 2024 or 2025 before a serious chance to get someone.

Somebody is going to overdraft Bryce young and CJ Stroud. Maybe Rattler. That will likely leave at least one of Levis, Ward, Van Dyke and maybe Greyson McCall.

[cop1211]

They could have traded up in 2023.