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[bradshaw2ben]

No, I'm sorry-- Kendrell Bell made a TON of plays as a rookie. Micah Parsons made a TON of plays as a rookie.

Devin Bush accumulated some stats and had a lucky deflected INT.

I mean, he was better in his rookie year than after that but he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire.

[Stosh-67]

For those that care, here's the original Devin Bush draft thread: https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... =2&t=12077

Lot's of guarded optimism as well as people who hated the pick and/or the price paid to move up.

There's one interesting poster in there who absolutely loved the pick.

Drama hit it out of the park with these comments....

For Devin Bush...a SPARQ player who did nothing impactful in big, meaningful games...the price of a 2nd and future 3rd was too much.
For Brian Burns...a SPARQ AND impactful pass rusher...the price of a 2nd and a future 3rd would've been fine by me.

Burns has 38 sacks in first 4 years ( 12.5 this year ) and looks like a double digit sack guy for years to come.

[Pabst]

For those that care, here's the original Devin Bush draft thread: https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... =2&t=12077

Lot's of guarded optimism as well as people who hated the pick and/or the price paid to move up.

There's one interesting poster in there who absolutely loved the pick.

Drama hit it out of the park with these comments....

For Devin Bush...a SPARQ player who did nothing impactful in big, meaningful games...the price of a 2nd and future 3rd was too much.
For Brian Burns...a SPARQ AND impactful pass rusher...the price of a 2nd and a future 3rd would've been fine by me.

Burns has 38 sacks in first 4 years ( 12.5 this year ) and looks like a double digit sack guy for years to come.

For sure, although it would have made absolutely no sense for the Steelers to draft Burns at that point in time.

And for the record, I have way more respect for people who give honest assessments & opinions and are wrong sometimes (like FC in that thread) vs. dipshits who constantly bitch and complain then claim to be geniuses.

[bradshaw2ben]

For those that care, here's the original Devin Bush draft thread: https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... =2&t=12077

Lot's of guarded optimism as well as people who hated the pick and/or the price paid to move up.

There's one interesting poster in there who absolutely loved the pick.

Drama hit it out of the park with these comments....

For Devin Bush...a SPARQ player who did nothing impactful in big, meaningful games...the price of a 2nd and future 3rd was too much.
For Brian Burns...a SPARQ AND impactful pass rusher...the price of a 2nd and a future 3rd would've been fine by me.

Burns has 38 sacks in first 4 years ( 12.5 this year ) and looks like a double digit sack guy for years to come.

FC was trying to be positive, because it's not like him to linger about bitching over something we can do nothing about. But I guarantee he said Bush was running around blocks and so on when discussing before the draft and during the podcast.

[langer]

I mean, this was a bit of a red flag.



Comparison between Bush and White.

https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finde ... 3=WhitDe02

[jeemie]

Holy shit…I started the thread.

[Orangesteel]

I mean, this was a bit of a red flag.

I think there is a comment from me in there about how Bush looks like an extra from the Janet Jackson / Rhythm Nation video.

[Jobu]

For those that care, here's the original Devin Bush draft thread: https://forumsnew.sportsandshit.com/vie ... =2&t=12077

Lot's of guarded optimism as well as people who hated the pick and/or the price paid to move up.

There's one interesting poster in there who absolutely loved the pick.

Now that was fun!

[Professor Half Wit]

I mean, this was a bit of a red flag.

I think there is a comment from me in there about how Bush looks like an extra from the Janet Jackson / Rhythm Nation video.

I pointed out that his jacket looks like it has a giant white Birkenstocks buckle securing it.

[955876]

I mean, this was a bit of a red flag.



Comparison between Bush and White.

https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finde ... 3=WhitDe02

Anyone who walks and dresses with that much swagger relative to what he “puts on tape” is most certainly a freaking poser.

I felt soon as I saw that ridiculous shit he was wearing that the guy was most likely a turd.

The video he posted of the cat dying (along with playing like a chickenshit pussy) sealed it.

If he was in the Marine Corps the guys in his squad would have had a blanket party on his ass long ago.

That would would have gotten him to play with at least a teenie weenie bit more intensity.

[Louis Lipps Service]

https://triblive.com/sports/tim-benz-fo ... um=twitter
This one is good too and the Madden haters will be able to read it.

What did he say in that article that you didn’t already know?

People confuse “being right” with “being informative”.

Stop asking if he’s right and start asking if you learned anything and Madden falls apart pretty quickly.

[COR-TEN]

Who the fuk makes decisions based on what people wear? Regardless of how stupid it looks.

If your financial planner has tattoos up the neck, but is financially savvy, who gives a fuck?

His tape on the field says it all. Not wearing a birkenstock strap across his chest.

[Mick]

No, I'm sorry-- Kendrell Bell made a TON of plays as a rookie. Micah Parsons made a TON of plays as a rookie.

Devin Bush accumulated some stats and had a lucky deflected INT.

I mean, he was better in his rookie year than after that but he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire.

Rookie Devin Bush had more Ints, FF, and FR than our three 2022 ILBs combined, as many TFL and sacks as the three of them combined, and would be tied for the 2022 ILB team lead in PD.

Not saying he was great, but he was a billion times more productive than anyone we have now.

Edit: semi-topically, when we were interviewing GM candidates, one was Brandon Hunt. I didn’t know anything about him, so internetting the one article I found was from 2019 or whenever with Hunt talking up his role in identifying and doing tons of legwork to help bring Devin Bush to pittsburgh by trading up in the draft.

[bradshaw2ben]

No, I'm sorry-- Kendrell Bell made a TON of plays as a rookie. Micah Parsons made a TON of plays as a rookie.

Devin Bush accumulated some stats and had a lucky deflected INT.

I mean, he was better in his rookie year than after that but he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire.

Rookie Devin Bush had more Ints, FF, and FR than our three 2022 ILBs combined, as many TFL and sacks as the three of them combined, and would be tied for the 2022 ILB team lead in PD.

Not saying he was great, but he was a billion times more productive than anyone we have now.

I can't argue with that, but it's a low bar.

[alancac98]

I don't know. Without defending Tomlin (because I'm not), I'll just point out that the last three drafts have not been super awesome or at least not super awesome at the right positions: now is that Tomlin or Colbert or both? Tomlin seems to me to have done a laudable job with the talent he had. That does not excuse his fuck ups. The problem I have with types like Madden is not that he is critical AND correct, but that he purposely avoids pointing out anything good.

If you're a Tomlin hater to the bone, Madden is a heroin fix, for sure. And my biggest gripe about Madden is I do not learn anything from reading him. Good opinion pieces teach you something or reveal something important or novel. What does Madden do, exactly?

Also: where is the proof that Tomlin was a de facto GM during Colbert's tenure? Not disputing it. Asking for the evidence.

I'll give it a stab! How2 about the fact that during Cowher's tenure they chose Olinemen. Tomlin's philosophy, and he has clearly stated it, is that he would rather have weapons than a superior oline. Exactly how many Olinemen have we drafted in the first or 2nd round since Tomlin became HC? Tomlin's philosophy and desire definitely seems to drive the draft!

[Jizz Mop]

I mean, this was a bit of a red flag.

I think there is a comment from me in there about how Bush looks like an extra from the Janet Jackson / Rhythm Nation video.

Haha

[Professor Half Wit]

Who the fuk makes decisions based on what people wear? Regardless of how stupid it looks.

If your financial planner has tattoos up the neck, but is financially savvy, who gives a fuck?

His tape on the field says it all. Not wearing a birkenstock strap across his chest.

Decisions about dress and tattoo placement are indications of levels of prudence relative to social norms.

Also, who gives a fuk? Bosses, HR people, schools, parents, etc.

[Pabst]

I'll give it a stab! How2 about the fact that during Cowher's tenure they chose Olinemen. Tomlin's philosophy, and he has clearly stated it, is that he would rather have weapons than a superior oline. Exactly how many Olinemen have we drafted in the first or 2nd round since Tomlin became HC? Tomlin's philosophy and desire definitely seems to drive the draft!

The Steelers focused heavily on the o-line in the early 2010s (Pouncey, Decastro, Gilbert). It wasn't long ago that the Steelers had the best offensive line in the NFL.

The problem was the litany of busts drafted between 2013-2019 on the defensive side (Jones, Burns, Bush), the freak injury to Shazier, and the slow development of guys like Dupree and Edmunds. The Defense needed to be a priority (because it sucked at the time), so they rolled the dice with an aging o-line. Unfortunately, Pouncey and Decastro hit a wall pretty suddenly.

[Mick]

For what its worth, offhand I would rate Sauce Gardner as the Devin Bushiest dresser from the 2022 draft class, and 31 teams would trade their own kidneys for him right now.

I read the clothes to say “In my head, I’m a Future Hall of Famer”, which is not necessarily a bad thing by itself.

[langer]

The headphones l, the weird getup…is it a surprise he shyies away from tackling? No.

Just sayin. His uniform is usually spotless.

[Pabst]

For what its worth, offhand I would rate Sauce Gardner as the Devin Bushiest dresser from the 2022 draft class, and 31 teams would trade their own kidneys for him right now.

I read the clothes to say “In my head, I’m a Future Hall of Famer”, which is not necessarily a bad thing by itself.

I was thinking world-class idiot Quay Walker had that pink suit, but alas it was Nakobe Dean.

[Professor Half Wit]

For what its worth, offhand I would rate Sauce Gardner as the Devin Bushiest dresser from the 2022 draft class, and 31 teams would trade their own kidneys for him right now.

I read the clothes to say “In my head, I’m a Future Hall of Famer”, which is not necessarily a bad thing by itself.

Not even in the same ballpark of bad.

[steelclan]

FWIW If you go to Russell Street Report (Ravens main fan forum) you will read exactly the same complaints about Harbaugh.

[steelclan]

No, I'm sorry-- Kendrell Bell made a TON of plays as a rookie. Micah Parsons made a TON of plays as a rookie.

Devin Bush accumulated some stats and had a lucky deflected INT.

I mean, he was better in his rookie year than after that but he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire.

That wild playoff game v the Browns. Bell was amazing on pretty much one leg but I have always wondered if playing that game the way he did had major negative impacts health wise.

[jeemie]

FWIW If you go to Russell Street Report (Ravens main fan forum) you will read exactly the same complaints about Harbaugh.

It completely blew my mind that Harbaugh mistrusted Huntley so much he kept running the ball into our 6-2 front all game long.

That was so stupid.

I get not putting too much on Huntley’s shoulders.

Harbaugh didn’t let Huntley do ANYTHING.

[gojira5150]

I mean, this was a bit of a red flag.



Comparison between Bush and White.

https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finde ... 3=WhitDe02

Anyone who walks and dresses with that much swagger relative to what he “puts on tape” is most certainly a freaking poser.

I felt soon as I saw that ridiculous shit he was wearing that the guy was most likely a turd.

The video he posted of the cat dying (along with playing like a chickenshit pussy) sealed it.

If he was in the Marine Corps the guys in his squad would have had a blanket party on his ass long ago.

That would would have gotten him to play with at least a teenie weenie bit more intensity.

While in Basic Training we gave this Jackass a Blanket Party cause he just kept messing up and we paid the price like Gomer Pyle in Full Metal Jacket.

[steelclan]

FWIW If you go to Russell Street Report (Ravens main fan forum) you will read exactly the same complaints about Harbaugh.

It completely blew my mind that Harbaugh mistrusted Huntley so much he kept running the ball into our 6-2 front all game long.

That was so stupid.

I get not putting too much on Huntley’s shoulders.

Harbaugh didn’t let Huntley do ANYTHING.

Huntley is not a good down the field thrower and he had an underreported shoulder injury. I get why he didn't throw down the field more but what puzzled me is why didn't attack Spillane and Robinson in coverage more. Don't have to go down the field much to expose paucity of coverage skills in PS ILBers. Especially odd with Mark Andrews and Likely as great options to do exactly that.

[Pabst]

FWIW If you go to Russell Street Report (Ravens main fan forum) you will read exactly the same complaints about Harbaugh.

It completely blew my mind that Harbaugh mistrusted Huntley so much he kept running the ball into our 6-2 front all game long.

That was so stupid.

I get not putting too much on Huntley’s shoulders.

Harbaugh didn’t let Huntley do ANYTHING.

And then on the other end of the spectrum, you have the Browns only giving Nick Chubb 12 rushing attempts while he's getting nearly 7 yards/carry

[Mick]

FWIW If you go to Russell Street Report (Ravens main fan forum) you will read exactly the same complaints about Harbaugh.

It completely blew my mind that Harbaugh mistrusted Huntley so much he kept running the ball into our 6-2 front all game long.

That was so stupid.

I get not putting too much on Huntley’s shoulders.

Harbaugh didn’t let Huntley do ANYTHING.

And then on the other end of the spectrum, you have the Browns only giving Nick Chubb 12 rushing attempts while he's getting nearly 7 yards/carry

tomlin’s real coaching strength is in Jedi Mind Trick.

[steelclan]

FWIW If you go to Russell Street Report (Ravens main fan forum) you will read exactly the same complaints about Harbaugh.

It completely blew my mind that Harbaugh mistrusted Huntley so much he kept running the ball into our 6-2 front all game long.

That was so stupid.

I get not putting too much on Huntley’s shoulders.

Harbaugh didn’t let Huntley do ANYTHING.

And then on the other end of the spectrum, you have the Browns only giving Nick Chubb 12 rushing attempts while he's getting nearly 7 yards/carry

They had to "prove" the Watson contract was worth it. Chubb gives the PS fits. If ever there was a game to run Chubb 30 times plus it was that one.