Sutton gone

[Jobu]

Meanwhile Tomlin sitting on his couch watching the Flintstones with Dino and the gang.
“Ahhh so glad free agency doesn’t start until Wednesday”

Don’t necessarily see why this is Tomlin rather than Kahn.

Team effort…including A2.
But I’m sure they have a plan…

[Stillchest]

Maybe the Steelers don’t see Sutton’s abilities as worth that much coin?

He’s a versatile DB.

Those skills cost money.

[Steel Ubaldo]

CB is a huge blind spot for the organization. Might be the most important position on defense but the Steelers don't treat it that way.

Wait, you didn’t think the addition of Will Jackson last year at the trade deadline and cutting him 4 months after trading for him wasn’t adequate in addressing the CB position

Peezy, Jr is a mortal lock to be the pick. I firmly believe that if Tomlin catches a whiff of a rumor that someone might take him before the Steelers pick, I can easily see him panicking and moving up to take him. The Fury draftniks can have fun with the other rounds of the draft because Porter is definitely going to be a Steeler.

[Jizz Mop]

Maybe the Steelers don’t see Sutton’s abilities as worth that much coin?

I don’t appreciate your lack of complaining

[Professor Half Wit]

Maybe the Steelers don’t see Sutton’s abilities as worth that much coin?

I don’t appreciate your lack of complaining

Complaining is ok. Going into the draft, CB room now looks super bare. Losing Sutton is a big deal.

But:
1) The Steelers know what he is and what he can do better than anyone.
2) I have no idea why not paying Sutton is primarily on Tomlin. That seems like a Kahn / Art thing.

[DP39]

Well....if Sutton is out and they cut Witherspoon then they can afford Jamel Dean.

I can dream.

I'm seeing where Dean could fetch $18M per. If that's his MV then we might as well trade PHI a late rounder for D. Slay ( I think I remember recently seeing where PHI said he could look for a trade partner) for close to the same price.

[LakecrestSteeler]

I have us at 11-6 next season.

Sutton gone will drop us to 10-7 or maybe even 9-7-1. They will be early losses, but it will be 1 to 2 losses back-filling Sutton unless they get a good free agent.

Hopefully we make a move.

[jeemie]

Maybe the Steelers don’t see Sutton’s abilities as worth that much coin?

I don’t appreciate your lack of complaining

The Steelers braintrust has taken the fun out of everything…even complaining.

[Stillchest]

I have us at 11-6 next season.

Sutton gone will drop us to 10-7 or maybe even 9-7-1. They will be early losses, but it will be 1 to 2 losses back-filling Sutton unless they get a good free agent.

Hopefully we make a move.

You forgot the sarca font.

[Professor Half Wit]

I have us at 11-6 next season.

Sutton gone will drop us to 10-7 or maybe even 9-7-1. They will be early losses, but it will be 1 to 2 losses back-filling Sutton unless they get a good free agent.

Hopefully we make a move.

What FA is going to replace Sutton and give us Sutton level of play for equal or less money than what Sutton took with the Lions? I don't see it.

Further, even if we draft CB high, even if the CB we draft is clearly going to end up a stud, this stud will likely be worse than Sutton was going to be this year. And even if the CB they draft would be better than Sutton would have been this year, I have confidence that said rookie CB would get Tomlin rookie treatment: break full time starter glass only in an emergency.

There, some proper doomerism.

[Jizz Mop]

I’m ready for our flurry of FA acquisitions like last year…

Cole, Daniels, et al

[Stillchest]

I have us at 11-6 next season.

Sutton gone will drop us to 10-7 or maybe even 9-7-1. They will be early losses, but it will be 1 to 2 losses back-filling Sutton unless they get a good free agent.

Hopefully we make a move.

What FA is going to replace Sutton and give us Sutton level of play for equal or less money than what Sutton took with the Lions? I don't see it.

Further, even if we draft CB high, even if the CB we draft is clearly going to end up a stud, this stud will likely be worse than Sutton was going to be this year. And even if the CB they draft would be better than Sutton would have been this year, I have confidence that said rookie CB would get Tomlin rookie treatment: break full time starter glass only in an emergency.


There, some proper doomerism.

Cam Sutton had been described as, “the smartest player on the field” by coaches and player personnel.

He plays slot, outside, and safety that allowed Minkah to be more flexible.

Big loss for the Steelers.

[Jobu]

Maybe the Steelers don’t see Sutton’s abilities as worth that much coin?

I don’t appreciate your lack of complaining

Complaining is ok. Going into the draft, CB room now looks super bare. Losing Sutton is a big deal.

But:
1) The Steelers know what he is and what he can do better than anyone.
2) I have no idea why not paying Sutton is primarily on Tomlin. That seems like a Kahn / Art thing.

Seriously, when it comes to personnel, Tomlin calls the shots, Khan negotiates, and A2 controls the wallet. You find a way to keep a wanted player, within reason of course.
I’m kinda with you that the Steelers didn’t value Sutton at that price. And then there is always the possibility that Sutton just wanted to move on to not just a bigger paycheck, but also what he believes is a better opportunity.

It’ll be interesting to see where they go from here. Are they finally realizing that what they need to do is a full on rebuild? Tear it down… build it back up? Naaa… probably not.

[Pabst]

Well....if Sutton is out and they cut Witherspoon then they can afford Jamel Dean.

I can dream.

I'm seeing where Dean could fetch $18M per. If that's his MV then we might as well trade PHI a late rounder for D. Slay ( I think I remember recently seeing where PHI said he could look for a trade partner) for close to the same price.

That's not quite top 5 CB money, so I believe it.

Slay is too old, no thanks.

[Jizz Mop]

I don’t appreciate your lack of complaining

Complaining is ok. Going into the draft, CB room now looks super bare. Losing Sutton is a big deal.

But:
1) The Steelers know what he is and what he can do better than anyone.
2) I have no idea why not paying Sutton is primarily on Tomlin. That seems like a Kahn / Art thing.

Seriously, when it comes to personnel, Tomlin calls the shots, Khan negotiates, and A2 controls the wallet. You find a way to keep a wanted player, within reason of course.
I’m kinda with you that the Steelers didn’t value Sutton at that price. And then there is always the possibility that Sutton just wanted to move on to not just a bigger paycheck, but also what he believes is a better opportunity.

It’ll be interesting to see where they go from here. Are they finally realizing that what they need to do is a full on rebuild? Tear it down… build it back up? Naaa… probably not.

No

Art knows they were a 2nd half collapse against the Jets and fucking Zach Wilson away from making the playoffs

[Stillchest]

I don’t appreciate your lack of complaining

Complaining is ok. Going into the draft, CB room now looks super bare. Losing Sutton is a big deal.

But:
1) The Steelers know what he is and what he can do better than anyone.
2) I have no idea why not paying Sutton is primarily on Tomlin. That seems like a Kahn / Art thing.

Seriously, when it comes to personnel, Tomlin calls the shots, Khan negotiates, and A2 controls the wallet. You find a way to keep a wanted player, within reason of course.
I’m kinda with you that the Steelers didn’t value Sutton at that price. And then there is always the possibility that Sutton just wanted to move on to not just a bigger paycheck, but also what he believes is a better opportunity.

It’ll be interesting to see where they go from here. Are they finally realizing that what they need to do is a full on rebuild? Tear it down… build it back up? Naaa… probably not.

Is a rebuild necessary, when the main goal is to “be competitive” and not suck too badly?

I think not.

[Jizz Mop]

Is it possible the Steelers organization are feeling an isolated consequence of “transitory inflation?”

Could that explain Sutton leaving for the Lions?

[Stillchest]

Is it possible the Steelers organization are feeling an isolated consequence of “transitory inflation?”

Could that explain Sutton leaving for the Lions?

One of the funnier things I’ve read today.

[LakecrestSteeler]

I have us at 11-6 next season.

Sutton gone will drop us to 10-7 or maybe even 9-7-1. They will be early losses, but it will be 1 to 2 losses back-filling Sutton unless they get a good free agent.

Hopefully we make a move.

What FA is going to replace Sutton and give us Sutton level of play for equal or less money than what Sutton took with the Lions? I don't see it.

Further, even if we draft CB high, even if the CB we draft is clearly going to end up a stud, this stud will likely be worse than Sutton was going to be this year. And even if the CB they draft would be better than Sutton would have been this year, I have confidence that said rookie CB would get Tomlin rookie treatment: break full time starter glass only in an emergency.

There, some proper doomerism.

I get it...it is feeling like Mike Hilton part 2. Maybe we will land someone...I will hold out hope! We can still add an additional victory or two with other draft picks and acquisitions...the victories will come mid-season to late though. Can't go off the rails in the early part. I think I would be happy with Sutton gone, if we replaced Bush effectively...that would actually be a wash with a meh DB replacing Sutton, and an effective IMLB.

[Professor Half Wit]

I don’t appreciate your lack of complaining

Complaining is ok. Going into the draft, CB room now looks super bare. Losing Sutton is a big deal.

But:
1) The Steelers know what he is and what he can do better than anyone.
2) I have no idea why not paying Sutton is primarily on Tomlin. That seems like a Kahn / Art thing.

Seriously, when it comes to personnel, Tomlin calls the shots, Khan negotiates, and A2 controls the wallet. You find a way to keep a wanted player, within reason of course.
I’m kinda with you that the Steelers didn’t value Sutton at that price. And then there is always the possibility that Sutton just wanted to move on to not just a bigger paycheck, but also what he believes is a better opportunity.

It’ll be interesting to see where they go from here. Are they finally realizing that what they need to do is a full on rebuild? Tear it down… build it back up? Naaa… probably not.

Without disputing anything you're saying—and we do indeed agree that the Steelers just don't think Sutton is worth the kind of coin he got from Detroit—I just don't know what it means to say that Tomlin calls the shots on personnel in this context. Are you saying Tomlin decides how much to pay whom? No way he does that unilaterally.

[Jobu]

Complaining is ok. Going into the draft, CB room now looks super bare. Losing Sutton is a big deal.

But:
1) The Steelers know what he is and what he can do better than anyone.
2) I have no idea why not paying Sutton is primarily on Tomlin. That seems like a Kahn / Art thing.

Seriously, when it comes to personnel, Tomlin calls the shots, Khan negotiates, and A2 controls the wallet. You find a way to keep a wanted player, within reason of course.
I’m kinda with you that the Steelers didn’t value Sutton at that price. And then there is always the possibility that Sutton just wanted to move on to not just a bigger paycheck, but also what he believes is a better opportunity.

It’ll be interesting to see where they go from here. Are they finally realizing that what they need to do is a full on rebuild? Tear it down… build it back up? Naaa… probably not.

Without disputing anything you're saying—and we do indeed agree that the Steelers just don't think Sutton is worth the kind of coin he got from Detroit—I just don't know what it means to say that Tomlin calls the shots on personnel in this context. Are you saying Tomlin decides how much to pay whom? No way he does that unilaterally.

I’m sorry, I should’ve been clearer. What I mean is that as the head coach, he’s responsible for building the roster. He decides what players he’d prefer to keep, and vice versa. It’s then up to Khan, and then A2 to try to make it happen.

[lifelongsteel]

Maybe the Steelers don’t see Sutton’s abilities as worth that much coin?

He’s a versatile DB.

Those skills cost money.

This is exactly why i'm fine with Sutton departing. Versatility is great for your backup IOL or your dimebacker. if you're paying $11M per/year you want a top notch starter that can do their primary job at very high level. I don't think Sutton is a high level outside CB.

[Stillchest]

Maybe the Steelers don’t see Sutton’s abilities as worth that much coin?

He’s a versatile DB.

Those skills cost money.

This is exactly why i'm fine with Sutton departing. Versatility is great for your backup IOL or your dimebacker. if you're paying $11M per/year you want a top notch starter that can do their primary job at very high level. I don't think Sutton is a high level outside CB.

Cam played inside, outside, and rotated to safety, allowing Minkah more flexibility. Cam made the D a better unit. He’s an ascending player and got paid accordingly.

[Charles Demarr]

I could also see Marcus Peters as the signing to go along with Porter Jr or Banks.

[DP39]

I have us at 11-6 next season.

Sutton gone will drop us to 10-7 or maybe even 9-7-1. They will be early losses, but it will be 1 to 2 losses back-filling Sutton unless they get a good free agent.

Hopefully we make a move.

What FA is going to replace Sutton and give us Sutton level of play for equal or less money than what Sutton took with the Lions? I don't see it.

Further, even if we draft CB high, even if the CB we draft is clearly going to end up a stud, this stud will likely be worse than Sutton was going to be this year. And even if the CB they draft would be better than Sutton would have been this year, I have confidence that said rookie CB would get Tomlin rookie treatment: break full time starter glass only in an emergency.


There, some proper doomerism.

Cam Sutton had been described as, “the smartest player on the field” by coaches and player personnel.

He plays slot, outside, and safety that allowed Minkah to be more flexible.

Big loss for the Steelers.

Have no fear, cool shades will counter that loss by giving a huge contract to Terrell Edmunds -- a player that's been described as 'the dumbest player on the field' by many, and a player that allowed Minkah to be MUCH LESS flexible.

[TTP]

Source: The #Steelers are signing Pro Bowl CB Patrick Peterson. A surprise! A perennial star headed to a historic franchise to beef up their back end.

-From Ian Rapoport per Twitter

[Steelperch]

Byron Murphy is the CB I wanted to replace Sutton if we had to lose him. Peterson on a one year deal is just a place holder for junior Peezy

[actionsteel1]

It would've been better to keep him but fortunately this CB class is so deep we could draft a CB in the 1st and one in the 4th/6th and still come away with two solid starters.

Yes because the Steelers have been so successful at drafting CB's over the Tomlin years.

I wasn't much of a fan of sutton anyway. but looking at these pending signings i found this interesting. of the about 20 on the list 4 were cb's. all except one were undrafted. hmmm!

anyway he is reported to get 33M 3 years. and just below him was ---

OG Connor McGovern: Agreed to a three-year, $23 million contract. buf

CB Cameron Sutton: Signing a three-year, $33 million deal that includes $21.5 million guaranteed. det

it seems to me that, even if he couldn't play, it would have strengthened the roster and saved 10M, plus possibly helping the ol [filling a need] since he also started at c for the cowboys last season. i wonder if they at least looked into that.