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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:28 pm

GreekSteel wrote:Very classy move on Ikes part. So is purple the color for domestic violence?? I did not know that.


Gay is a very humble, great guy. And that TD dance was pure gold. Was that a deer prance? I thought Keisel was about to start a conga line behind him. :lol:

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:29 pm

Still Lit wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:Very classy move on Ikes part. So is purple the color for domestic violence?? I did not know that.


Gay is a very humble, great guy. And that TD dance was pure gold. Was that a deer prance? I thought Keisel was about to start a conga line behind him. :lol:

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haha I never noticed Keiesel starting to dance as well.

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Post by steelclan » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:30 pm

Great write up. Key next week is stopping Mcphee, Suggs and Dumervil. It wont be easy. If they can that secondary is far worse than the Colts…Ben gets any time he should shred that secondary they cant cover anyone. Bryant needs to be on the field early and often to go after that secondary depth it truly stinks. Ladrius Webb looks a shell of the player he was, Elam hasnt progressed at all, Will Hill is decent, Franks is a street FA, Chkyie Brown is godawful. Have to have to give Ben time.

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Post by R_S » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:59 pm

steelclan wrote:Great write up. Key next week is stopping Mcphee, Suggs and Dumervil. It wont be easy. If they can that secondary is far worse than the Colts…Ben gets any time he should shred that secondary they cant cover anyone. Bryant needs to be on the field early and often to go after that secondary depth it truly stinks. Ladrius Webb looks a shell of the player he was, Elam hasnt progressed at all, Will Hill is decent, Franks is a street FA, Chkyie Brown is godawful. Have to have to give Ben time.


Even my Ratbird fan friends aren't confident about next week and even more so if Jimmy Smith is out. Which of course, makes me even more nervous.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:19 pm

GreekSteel wrote:Beauty Perch. 1 more you can add to your numbers section.

2 - Number of players in the history of the NFL to throw for 500 yds and 6tds in a single game (Ben and Y.A Tittle in '62)


1 - Number of players in the history of the NFL to throw for at least 500 yards in a game more than once.

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Post by Thrillsseeker » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:25 pm

Still Lit wrote:
GreekSteel wrote:Very classy move on Ikes part. So is purple the color for domestic violence?? I did not know that.


Gay is a very humble, great guy. And that TD dance was pure gold. Was that a deer prance? I thought Keisel was about to start a conga line behind him. :lol:

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LMAO. Excellent!

I never even noticed his cleats. No, I was not even drinking!

Funny to see 99 get inline behind him. Missed that too!

Great day yesterday.

Love the move by Ike!

Class.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:38 pm

R S wrote:Nice write up. But I gotta wonder about the KR team. I think traffic cones may do a better job blocking. I'm beginning to think that we can't pin it on the returners.


Blasphemy.

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Post by Steelafan77 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:19 pm

Was it mentioned Heath reached a mile stone yesterday too with his 500th catch placing him 3rd all time (Steelers) behind Stallworth, 2nd and Ward 1st. Congratulations Heath Miller.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:22 pm

Nice job perch..........
more stats by our non-stat orientated leader..........

His 10.7 yards per attempt is now the highest for a quarterback with that many attempts, knocking off the New York Giants' Eli Manning, who threw for 10.0 yards per attempt in a shootout with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in September, 2012


His 81.6 completion percentage is the highest in a game when throwing the ball 49 times or more, besting former Houston Texans quarterback Matt Schaub's mark of 78.2 percent, set in an overtime victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars two years ago


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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:25 pm

Bling Collector Ben wrote:Your article mentions chin straps.
Didn't you hear Ray Lewis say he needed 2 chin straps when he played the Steelers, but that you don't need any chin straps nowadays.

BTW - Todd Haley finally learned (hopefully) the LCD (least common denominator) for team success is "7". And, by team success, I mean keeping his job.


These guys say they do not read the papers........or listen to the talking head, radio hosts and personalities.............
i would say they probably do..........
and there is no better quote to feed off than the one above by Ray Ray..............
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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:29 pm

Nother thing Ben did a great job with, and its just something small that may have went un noticed..............was that after seeing the defensive alignment or switching......he did a great job of moving Bell either right or left for better protection on passing downs.....to help the tackles.

RB's and TE's did a great job helping the OL in pass protection.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:51 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:Nother thing Ben did a great job with, and its just something small that may have went un noticed..............was that after seeing the defensive alignment or switching......he did a great job of moving Bell either right or left for better protection on passing downs.....to help the tackles.

RB's and TE's did a great job helping the OL in pass protection.

I agree, although on the second viewing it appeared to be more to help the inside of the line. The tackles unbelievable in this game. DeCastro give it the only quick pressure that I remember, and it was on the botched screen where he didn't hold onto the guy enough. This is something we have an issue with for a long time now.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:57 pm

also....two nice catches by Will Johnson.
He may not have had a choice but to catch it on the one pass............as Ben had to get rid of the ball on a blitz to the right....as ball was in Johnsons chest before he turned.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:59 pm

I don't know if this was mentioned but I don't recall seeing the dreaded softy turtle defense. Looks like they applied pressure right through the whole game. That translated to hits on Luck and that late INT. The softy turtle defense needs to go away except for maybe the last 90 seconds of a three score game.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:07 pm

Best part of the offense.......as mentioned by many, was attacking the middle of the field....attacking up the numbers.

And eliminating the 50/50 sideline passes, back shoulder, over the shoulder, etc...as we must have seen two dozen of these pass plays the last few weeks.
Plays that ask a QB to continually be perfect with a perfect pass betweenthe defender and sideline...or over the defender and between the sideline...........

Not to mention an incrediably difficult catch to make and stick the two feet..........small, small window for error.

These plays essentially turned an 11 man defense into a 13 man defense....as the two sidelines become barriers..........

They attacked the middle of the field with crossing patterns.
They attacked deep 5-10 yards off the sideline.
They allowed Ben and his receivers to run in space, rather in tight windows........
Resulting in many, many uncontested catches.........I would say, 25-28 of his passes were to players in space with 2-5 yards of seperation.
even the drops were drops that wer uncontested....at least in Bryant and Archers case.........the Heath drop had a guy on his back.

And it would be safe to assume....with time in the pocket comes seperation for receivers.
There were times where Ben stepped back deep......looked deep and then found second or third options.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:29 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:Best part of the offense.......as mentioned by many, was attacking the middle of the field....attacking up the numbers.

And eliminating the 50/50 sideline passes, back shoulder, over the shoulder, etc...as we must have seen two dozen of these pass plays the last few weeks.
Plays that ask a QB to continually be perfect with a perfect pass betweenthe defender and sideline...or over the defender and between the sideline...........

Not to mention an incrediably difficult catch to make and stick the two feet..........small, small window for error.

These plays essentially turned an 11 man defense into a 13 man defense....as the two sidelines become barriers..........

They attacked the middle of the field with crossing patterns.
They attacked deep 5-10 yards off the sideline.
They allowed Ben and his receivers to run in space, rather in tight windows........
Resulting in many, many uncontested catches.........I would say, 25-28 of his passes were to players in space with 2-5 yards of seperation.
even the drops were drops that wer uncontested....at least in Bryant and Archers case.........the Heath drop had a guy on his back.

And it would be safe to assume....with time in the pocket comes seperation for receivers.
There were times where Ben stepped back deep......looked deep and then found second or third options.




Good Post. And these were things most of us were clamoring for since Haley has been here. Glad to see hes a quick learner. At least I hope hes learned it.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:50 pm

Another point is that I think there were only a couple of plays that Ben called in the no huddle. And that means that Haley was actually calling a lot of that Picasso last night. Lets hope we see more of that.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:19 pm

Brilliant stuff, Perch. And must have been one of the most fun articles you've had to write in a while.

Buckle it up boys is right. Here come our hated rivals and just in time to honor the greatest player in Steelers history, Mr. Mean Joe Greene!

Let's GO!

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:30 pm

next week is the defense's turn to shock the world
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Post by Steelafan77 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:35 pm

FC: Hey Ed, appreciate your work...Is Justin Brown completely out of favor - with MB and Moore stepping it up seems like there's not much room.

Ed Bouchette: Not so much out of favor, but the others have passed him by. I'm still not sure why Darrius Heyward-Bey is playing, though.


Guest: What is it with Archer? Maybe he just needs time to develop.

Ed Bouchette: Maybe they should not have drafted him in the third round. http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/stee ... 1410270160


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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:38 pm

Wouldn't shock me if Justin Brown is the guy that gets cut when Jarvis returns.
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Post by lifelongsteel » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:43 pm

Great write up Perch and great call on the game B2B.

Levels of surprise:
Astronomical = Offensive Line dominating in pass pro
High = Consistent pressure from Harrison off the edge
Medium = Bryant already a legit weapon
Low = Ben playing that well behind a dominant Oline and with top notch weapons

FWIW - that's the best i've ever seen the ball coming out of Ben's hand. He was spinning it.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:00 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:next week is the defense's turn to shock the world

Hopefully the defense can find ways to get better each and every week.

We knew it was going to be tuff to stop Inday and Luck.......
after all that team still put up 34 points, 24 first downs, almost 500 yards of offense?........in less than 21 minutes of play.

Yesterday we certainly saw the deficiencies of our secondary.........but we saw the coaching changes to try and hide or offset those shortcomings........with the relentless blitz and pass rush.
Not only the 15 hurrys...but the 9 knock downs.
How many of those blitzes resulted in Luck throwing the ball out of bounds............or directly into the turf.
He could have legitametly had 4 intentional grounding flags.........as there was zero intent on completing a pass for threee of the intentional spikes.

But one can certainly look at the positives about this defense...........and see things that can only help improve that side of the balls performance. Remember, this defense has been playing with-out 4 starters and finally got one back in Shazier yesterday. The other three will be back. I think there are many teams that have lost players for the year.........we will continue to add them back to the mix.

1. Steve Mac will be back in the mix.....hopefully this Sunday making the Dline deeper. While bringing back our best penetrationg lineman.
2. Big Dan continues to take baby steps (is that an oxymoron?) that has helped the run defense and helped keep the C/G from jumping our LB's
3. Tuit continues to get reps.......had a real nice hard hit on Luck yesterday. I'm sure things will be alot clearer after the bye and down the strech. Can't wait till he stops thinking and just plays.
4. Maybe with the above three..........Cam Thomas can play less......and Keisel can stay fresher. With the addition of Big Dan and the ensuing return of Steve Mac.....gotta believe Thomas is playing for a helmet on Sundays.
5. Shazier will get healthier.........and his speed will remind us of his ability to make impact plays and or turnovers. He closed on a pass yesterday....that if 100% healthy could have been going the other way.
6. Jarvis will be back in the mix.........another guy still growing, that seems to be around the ball more so than not.....working in the weight room with James can only help.
7. Ike will be back in the mix..............to help the secondary down the strech.
8. Shamarko will be back in the mix.........................to help the secondary the second half of the season. Another guy that when on the field, seems to have a nose for the ball.
9. James Harrison is still playing his way into shape. Looked slow the first game or so....not as slow yesterday. I thnk he can still lose 5-8-10 lbs that will make a difference in his pass rush.
10. Familiarity...................Tuit, Thomas, Big Dan, Shazier, Moats, Blake, McCain, Williams, Mitchell, Shamarko, Spence..............thats a lot of players that see the field that are playing with one another for the first time. That have less than 5-8 games under their belt as a pro footbal player....that have less than a full season worth of games as teammates, etc. etc. They will grow as a unit in the second half as they spend more time together on the practice field, in games, in packages and in crunch moments. I like the flexibility that this team can put on the field when all are healthy.

The defense can certainly be better and i think will certainly get better each week. Its still a work in progress. I stilll think we draft more defensive players in the next draft....as drafting two corners is a must.

But rhe last thing that I will add to that list that will have the defense looking forward and improving in the second half..................will be the continued growth and attacking style of the offense.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:04 pm

Was anyone else surprised by the number of snaps Vince Williams seemed to have played defensively? I'd be interested to find out how many snaps he actually played.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:09 pm

The Pierogi wrote:Was anyone else surprised by the number of snaps Vince Williams seemed to have played defensively? I'd be interested to find out how many snaps he actually played.

stuffed potato,
i think it looked like Shazier may have felt his knee bite on a play or two.................so mixing in Vince Williams a bit more in the second half was probably to lomit Shaz snaps?
Williams was noticable.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:15 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
The Pierogi wrote:Was anyone else surprised by the number of snaps Vince Williams seemed to have played defensively? I'd be interested to find out how many snaps he actually played.

stuffed potato,
i think it looked like Shazier may have felt his knee bite on a play or two.................so mixing in Vince Williams a bit more in the second half was probably to lomit Shaz snaps?
Williams was noticable.


I figured it might have had something to do with Shazier coming off his injury. It just struck me as a little bit odd that it was Williams on the field after Spence seemed to have played a pretty solid game against the Texans. I guess maybe Williams is a better blitzer?

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Post by Stosh-67 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:17 pm

one more comment on the defense...........
obviously Cortez needs to sit and watch............
but not be burried on the bench................we know he was effective in the slot on TE's and slot WR's.............
hopefully he can gain his confidence back in limited snaps...as opposed to being out on an island..............
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Post by Donnie Brasco » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:11 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:Wouldn't shock me if Justin Brown is the guy that gets cut when Jarvis returns.


Really? I'd cut Lance Moore before J Brown, just not sold on Moore at this point and Brown has some upside.

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Post by Donnie Brasco » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:12 pm

Steelafan77 wrote:
FC: Hey Ed, appreciate your work...Is Justin Brown completely out of favor - with MB and Moore stepping it up seems like there's not much room.

Ed Bouchette: Not so much out of favor, but the others have passed him by. I'm still not sure why Darrius Heyward-Bey is playing, though.


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DHB plays teams and actually plays them pretty well. I have no idea why he can't return kicks though...

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:23 pm

Donnie Brasco wrote:
bradshaw2ben wrote:Wouldn't shock me if Justin Brown is the guy that gets cut when Jarvis returns.


Really? I'd cut Lance Moore before J Brown, just not sold on Moore at this point and Brown has some upside.

Moore has made four catches in last three games that demonstrated savvy, route running, and above all toughness that Justin Brown simply isn't capable of talent wise. Use Moore for now, draft/sign another big body and another slot guy next year.
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