Freiermuth re-injured his vagina

[langer]

Not a breakthrough year, a breakdown year.

[Korey39]

Mound Washington hasn’t done squat.

Someone here was touting him as a 1st rounder.

Can’t recall the name but I’ve seen him referred to as the “village idiot” quite a few times.

That'd be me and @Korey39 .

If he played in a real NFL system, he'd likely have a better chance at life.

Yeah I'll stand on it too. His blocking has been good they have been giving him OT responsibilities and as a rookie you haven't seen many whiffs at all. In terms of receptions that would require us getting in the RZ more since thats where he'd be at his best but we also schemed more touches for Gentry than Washington so it falls on the OC. He's never going to be an "elite" WR but he has has not gotten to showcase his contested catch and YAC ability at all due to scheme.

[stillthere]

So I guess with Gunner getting cut, Friermuth now moves to the top of the SteelerFury hate list…

He's very near the top with me.

I expected him to at least become a 2nd tier TE this year.

Nope.

He had the chest issue after week 1 then just when he was getting better from that he hurt his hamstring.

I think the injuries we have had to deal with early this year may help this team a lot down the stretch as so many young and new players have had to play so many minutes and snaps.

[Stallworth16]

Jesse James is an unsigned free agent, if you guys get tired of hating on Muth.

[K_C_]

Jesse James is an unsigned free agent, if you guys get tired of hating on Muth.

No point in hating a guy in street clothes.

....but he looked awfully slow when he was on the field.

JuJu syndrome is hitting Muth already.

[Professor Half Wit]

Jesse James is an unsigned free agent, if you guys get tired of hating on Muth.

No point in hating a guy in street clothes.

....but he looked awfully slow when he was on the field.

JuJu syndrome is hitting Muth already.

Pat is a quality TE.

No way was his play preceding the hammy injury him being at 100%.

I bet he was playing hurt even before the hamstring.

No one is going to mistake him for Matt Spaeth as a blocker, but he’s not a complete pussy, either. Something was off.

Speaking of being off. I bet that “heel” was keeping Watt from being even more disruptive. At one point Nuca blocked his ass. Better hope he doesn’t have plantar fasciitis.

[K_C_]

Jesse James is an unsigned free agent, if you guys get tired of hating on Muth.

No point in hating a guy in street clothes.

....but he looked awfully slow when he was on the field.

JuJu syndrome is hitting Muth already.

Pat is a quality TE.

No way was his play preceding the hammy injury him being at 100%.

I bet he was playing hurt even before the hamstring.

No one is going to mistake him for Matt Spaeth as a blocker, but he’s not a complete pussy, either. Something was off.

Speaking of being off. I bet that “heel” was keeping Watt from being even more disruptive. At one point Nuca blocked his ass. Better hope he doesn’t have plantar fasciitis.

Freiermuth gets hurt a lot. No matter how you slice it, he isn’t a top tier TE or even close to it. Too slow and not available enough. He’s the best the Steelers have by quite a bit, but that isn’t saying much.

Not worried about Watt. He got pressures and isn’t going to dominate every game. He also only made the biggest play of the game in coverage and didn’t look gimpy at all on the return.

[CKSteeler]

I think some people have to convince themselves Freiermuth sucks because it feeds their preferred narrative with regards to the QB. He looked just fine as a rookie. No, his body isn't broken by year 3. He's suffered no lower body injuries I can recall until this hamstring.

I'll personally take the opinion of a guy who has actually thrown passes to the guy and played QB at a HOF level for two decades. No receiver was going to "break out" given the scheme and QB play we saw before the bye. And Freiermuth was playing hurt likely from week 1 on.

If someone wants to say he's fragile, I'd go with that. But a lot of the best TE's in NFL history were oft-injured. It's a tough position to play and you take a beating.

[Stillchest]

I think some people have to convince themselves Freiermuth sucks because it feeds their preferred narrative with regards to the QB. He looked just fine as a rookie. No, his body isn't broken by year 3. He's suffered no lower body injuries I can recall until this hamstring.

I'll personally take the opinion of a guy who has actually thrown passes to the guy and played QB at a HOF level for two decades. No receiver was going to "break out" given the scheme and QB play we saw before the bye. And Freiermuth was playing hurt likely from week 1 on.

If someone wants to say he's fragile, I'd go with that. But a lot of the best TE's in NFL history were oft-injured. It's a tough position to play and you take a beating.

By most metrics used to evaluate a TE, Pat is quite average.

Yinzers just like exaggerating his last name out loud.

[CKSteeler]

By most metrics used to evaluate a TE, Pat is quite average.

Yinzers just like exaggerating his last name out loud.

By most metrics used to measure TE's, so was Heath Miller. The passing offense right now is not exactly conductive at the moment to anyone putting up big numbers, from the QB to the receivers.

If Muth becomes a guy who averages 700 yards and 7-8 TD's a year, he'll be a successful pick in my book.

[K_C_]

By most metrics used to evaluate a TE, Pat is quite average.

Yinzers just like exaggerating his last name out loud.

By most metrics used to measure TE's, so was Heath Miller. The passing offense right now is not exactly conductive at the moment to anyone putting up big numbers, from the QB to the receivers.

If Muth becomes a guy who averages 700 yards and 7-8 TD's a year, he'll be a successful pick in my book.

Freiermuth is nowhere near as good as Heath Miller.

Not even close.

[Pabst]

Freiermuth is nowhere near as good as Heath Miller.

Not even close.

Through 2 seasons:

73 receptions, 852 yards, 11 TDs
123 receptions, 1229 yards, 9 TDs

How is that "not even close", especially when Miller had a HOF QB, HOF WR, and elite O-Line?

[Pabst]

I think Freiermuth gets too much shit on the board for two reasons:

1. He was picked over Creed Humphrey.

2. We have a distorted view of what kind of numbers TEs produce. Travis Kelce is an extreme outlier. 700 yards and 7-8 TDs is comfortably top 5 TE territory. Know how many times Health Miller cleared 700 yards and 7 TD's in a season? Once.

[Professor Half Wit]

Heath Miller blocked very well, had very soft hands, and was a clutch third down motherfucker and security blanket.

No way is Pat on Miller’s level in terms of all around dual talent and I think Pat can be a top pass catching TE if the OC would pull his head out.

[CKSteeler]

If Freirmuth had a sercond season with Roethlisberger, his numbers would likely have eclipsed Miller's as would be expected for a guy playing in 2023 versus 2005.

His rookie season was solid. His TD production wasn't what you'd want to see, but our leading WR didn't even manage a TD catch last year so...

[Pabst]

Heath Miller blocked very well, had very soft hands, and was a clutch third down motherfucker and security blanket.

No way is Pat on Miller’s level in terms of all around dual talent and I think Pat can be a top pass catching TE if the OC would pull his head out.

I learned from the Ike Taylor thread to not get into discussions of technique/skillsets for players 15-20 years apart.

[CKSteeler]

Heath was a better blocker than Freiermuth has been, but his blocking was a tad overrated and I chalk that up to being a white TE playing for the Steelers. He's a Steelers TE so of course he can block! The Steelers raved about him internally to anyone who would listen.

I saw him get beat his fair share of times.

[K_C_]

Freiermuth is nowhere near as good as Heath Miller.

Not even close.

Through 2 seasons:

73 receptions, 852 yards, 11 TDs
123 receptions, 1229 yards, 9 TDs

How is that "not even close", especially when Miller had a HOF QB, HOF WR, and elite O-Line?

Availability is a major reason but Miller made his mark despite having a WR who probably should be in the Hall of Fame, getting a ridiculous amount of targets each year (Ward bitched plenty when Ben started developing a rapport with Burress as a rookie. Ward would have been a major problem had Ben not fed him early and often) AND on a team that had among the best rushing attacks in all of football.

Heath Miller was a big game, big play reliable receiver and was one helluva blocker too.

Freiermuth is talented but he isn’t in Miller’s league.

I look forward to seeing Freiermuth’s numbers when this season is over.

I’ll add that when a pass was in Heath Miller’s catch radius, he caught it and when he did, Miller never stumbled around like a 70 year old CEO after a 3 martini lunch.

[drmalba]

Mound Washington hasn’t done squat.

You all remember who is coordinating this offense, right?
I'm not sure Canada even realizes he has TEs as opposed to extra OL.

[K_C_]

Mound Washington hasn’t done squat.

You all remember who is coordinating this offense, right?
I'm not sure Canada even realizes he has TEs as opposed to extra OL.

Freiermuth has been hurt literally all year. Shockingly, his injuries aren’t concussion related. I doubt he’ll be a major factor at all and I would have no trouble with the Steelers taking a TE very early this April.

When you add that Darnell Washington doesn’t look ready (not sure he’ll ever be) and that Connor Heyward is really an H Back and it’s understandable why Canada isn’t prioritizing the TE position right now.

[stillthere]

Mound Washington hasn’t done squat.

You all remember who is coordinating this offense, right?
I'm not sure Canada even realizes he has TEs as opposed to extra OL.

We did line up in 23 personnel on Najee's TD. Heyward as the left wing, Williams LTE, Washington RTE, Warren as the right wing. I thought it was a good grouping of personnel. Designed for a run but all those players are pass play capable. Then the short motion moved the LBs over and they let Najee go iso left even though the play looked to be heading right.