Mike Williams coming in

[Pabst]

Empty calorie targets, i know, i have had Pitts in FF last few seasons and lets just say it hasnt been good lol

Same Although i was able to pick up N'Joku off the waiver wire when Pitts was on a bye week, so that worked out.

That's the million dollar question, though - Pitts hasn't lived up to expectations (yet). Why? Injuries? Scheme? QB Play? Overhyped? Combo of all of these (probably).

[Greeksteel]

Empty calorie targets, i know, i have had Pitts in FF last few seasons and lets just say it hasnt been good lol

Same Although i was able to pick up N'Joku off the waiver wire when Pitts was on a bye week, so that worked out.

That's the million dollar question, though - Pitts hasn't lived up to expectations (yet). Why? Injuries? Scheme? QB Play? Overhyped? Combo of all of these (probably).

Nice pickup with Njoku...as far as pitts goes...id say a combo of qb play and overhype

[Stosh-67]

We need a route runner, not a big one trick pony. The injury stuff and age added in is just a no for me.

That 2nd/3rd round WR needs to be that quick route runner that creates separation.

Xavier Worthy, Texas
Jermain Burton, Alabama
Ricky Pearsall, Florida
Ladd McConkey, Georgia

Pickens,
Williams/ Boyd,
2nd/3rd round WR,
Austin,
M. Calloway

Mims or Fitzpatrick #6

You forgot Van Jefferson

Opps.
Van the Man.

Pickens,
Williams/ Boyd,
2nd/3rd round WR,
Austin, M. Calloway, Van Jefferson are #4, 5 & 6.

[swissvale72]

Well, I'll stop arguing the point as he's gone, it's moot, but I think DJ was a better performer for the Steelers than most credit him for. Anyway, he's clearly not a big target but what ABOUT Stefon Diggs?? I remember Tomlin, prior to the playoff game, using all kinds of superlatives about Diggs' route-running. And...I'm not so big on discounting guys due to their being bitches, cancers, etc. I DO think that players like Diggs, and yes, Wilson, want to play for Tomlin.

[Greeksteel]

Well, I'll stop arguing the point as he's gone, it's moot, but I think DJ was a better performer for the Steelers than most credit him for. Anyway, he's clearly not a big target but what ABOUT Stefon Diggs?? I remember Tomlin, prior to the playoff game, using all kinds of superlatives about Diggs' route-running. And...I'm not so big on discounting guys due to their being bitches, cancers, etc. I DO think that players like Diggs, and yes, Wilson, want to play for Tomlin.

I personally think hes on a serious decline..he wants out apperently but i bet Buff would also love to move him and his contract as well ..id rather trade for someone like future #1 WR if he isnt already Brandon Aiyuk who SF wont be able to afford. He or Deebo Samuel cant both get top dollar in SF

[Stosh-67]

Well, I'll stop arguing the point as he's gone, it's moot, but I think DJ was a better performer for the Steelers than most credit him for. Anyway, he's clearly not a big target but what ABOUT Stefon Diggs?? I remember Tomlin, prior to the playoff game, using all kinds of superlatives about Diggs' route-running. And...I'm not so big on discounting guys due to their being bitches, cancers, etc. I DO think that players like Diggs, and yes, Wilson, want to play for Tomlin.

I personally think hes on a serious decline..he wants out apperently but i bet Buff would also love to move him and his contract as well ..id rather trade for someone like future #1 WR if he isnt already Brandon Aiyuk who SF wont be able to afford. He or Deebo Samuel cant both get top dollar in SF

Those are two guys that have that run block mentality as well.
I can not see Diggs being happy in Pittsburgh with the heavy run, shorten the game philosophy

[Greeksteel]

Well, I'll stop arguing the point as he's gone, it's moot, but I think DJ was a better performer for the Steelers than most credit him for. Anyway, he's clearly not a big target but what ABOUT Stefon Diggs?? I remember Tomlin, prior to the playoff game, using all kinds of superlatives about Diggs' route-running. And...I'm not so big on discounting guys due to their being bitches, cancers, etc. I DO think that players like Diggs, and yes, Wilson, want to play for Tomlin.

I personally think hes on a serious decline..he wants out apperently but i bet Buff would also love to move him and his contract as well ..id rather trade for someone like future #1 WR if he isnt already Brandon Aiyuk who SF wont be able to afford. He or Deebo Samuel cant both get top dollar in SF

Those are two guys that have that run block mentality as well.
I can not see Diggs being happy in Pittsburgh with the heavy run, shorten the game philosophy

yep

[K_C_]

Well, I'll stop arguing the point as he's gone, it's moot, but I think DJ was a better performer for the Steelers than most credit him for. Anyway, he's clearly not a big target but what ABOUT Stefon Diggs?? I remember Tomlin, prior to the playoff game, using all kinds of superlatives about Diggs' route-running. And...I'm not so big on discounting guys due to their being bitches, cancers, etc. I DO think that players like Diggs, and yes, Wilson, want to play for Tomlin.

You’re a big DJ fan. I get it. I used to be one too. He was inconsistent (to say the least) and was becoming a major malcontent and started half-assing plays. That CANNOT happen and dude had to go. End of story. We can argue about the return for Diontae Johnson in a trade, but he had to go. Frankly, he should have been traded last year before or on draft day and the team would have been better off for it.

The other part of your post about Diggs, who is up in years now and a total asshole….I honestly don’t know what to say, but he isn’t coming to Pittsburgh. The goal is to avoid malcontents and assholes, not to collect them

[K_C_]

Well, I'll stop arguing the point as he's gone, it's moot, but I think DJ was a better performer for the Steelers than most credit him for. Anyway, he's clearly not a big target but what ABOUT Stefon Diggs?? I remember Tomlin, prior to the playoff game, using all kinds of superlatives about Diggs' route-running. And...I'm not so big on discounting guys due to their being bitches, cancers, etc. I DO think that players like Diggs, and yes, Wilson, want to play for Tomlin.

I personally think hes on a serious decline..he wants out apperently but i bet Buff would also love to move him and his contract as well ..id rather trade for someone like future #1 WR if he isnt already Brandon Aiyuk who SF wont be able to afford. He or Deebo Samuel cant both get top dollar in SF

Aiyuk is a fucking stud. He’s everything Diontae Johnson isn’t and dude is consistent. I’d be ALL IN looking into trading for that motherfucker.

[Steel Bingo]

We need a route runner, not a big one trick pony. The injury stuff and age added in is just a no for me.

That 2nd/3rd round WR needs to be that quick route runner that creates separation.

Xavier Worthy, Texas
Jermain Burton, Alabama
Ricky Pearsall, Florida
Ladd McConkey, Georgia

Pickens,
Williams/ Boyd,
2nd/3rd round WR,
Austin,
M. Calloway

Mims or Fitzpatrick #6

Worthy profiles a bit like DJ 2.0. High talent and ability, but some mental lapse baggage.

There were rumors that he would enter the transfer portal during his sophomore season. Then he was assumed to be all but gone from the Longhorns after being scapegoated for ruining the '22 Alamo Bowl comeback vs. Washington. He had 3 drops that game, including drops on back to back long bombs, the second being a no doubter 60+ yd touchdown.

All this talk about finding Arthur Smith's guys, but maybe they like Xavier Worthy to become Russell Wilson's Tyler Lockett.

I still hope they draft mostly trench players on Day 1 and Day 2.

[swissvale72]

Juju ??

[Greeksteel]

Well, I'll stop arguing the point as he's gone, it's moot, but I think DJ was a better performer for the Steelers than most credit him for. Anyway, he's clearly not a big target but what ABOUT Stefon Diggs?? I remember Tomlin, prior to the playoff game, using all kinds of superlatives about Diggs' route-running. And...I'm not so big on discounting guys due to their being bitches, cancers, etc. I DO think that players like Diggs, and yes, Wilson, want to play for Tomlin.

I personally think hes on a serious decline..he wants out apperently but i bet Buff would also love to move him and his contract as well ..id rather trade for someone like future #1 WR if he isnt already Brandon Aiyuk who SF wont be able to afford. He or Deebo Samuel cant both get top dollar in SF

Aiyuk is a fucking stud. He’s everything Diontae Johnson isn’t and dude is consistent. I’d be ALL IN looking into trading for that motherfucker.

agreed

[Greeksteel]

Mark Kaboly
@MarkKaboly
·
13m
Some people (not all) inside Steelers not 100% on board with signing Tyler Boyd. There is still time to work things and everything is still on the table but it doesn't appear anywhere close to a sure thing like it appeared to be a week ago at this time.

[bradshaw2ben]

Mark Kaboly
@MarkKaboly
·
13m
Some people (not all) inside Steelers not 100% on board with signing Tyler Boyd. There is still time to work things and everything is still on the table but it doesn't appear anywhere close to a sure thing like it appeared to be a week ago at this time.

Guessing Arthur Smith is in the "no" category. Boyd is really good... but he's a slot receiver. Not sure slot WR is in the playbook.

[tbsteel]

Mark Kaboly
@MarkKaboly
·
13m
Some people (not all) inside Steelers not 100% on board with signing Tyler Boyd. There is still time to work things and everything is still on the table but it doesn't appear anywhere close to a sure thing like it appeared to be a week ago at this time.

Guessing Arthur Smith is in the "no" category. Boyd is really good... but he's a slot receiver. Not sure slot WR is in the playbook.

Man, I'm struggling to come up with the last dynamic slot option for the Steelers. I mean, early Juju? Even then, he was like a big slot and not someone who spent as much time as Boyd has in the slot. Juju was kind of a chess piece who got moved around some and still worked on the outside.

We like our outside WRs, our TEs with names we can slow chant, and our 230+ pound RBs.

[DP39]

Guessing Arthur Smith is in the "no" category. Boyd is really good... but he's a slot receiver. Not sure slot WR is in the playbook.

Man, I'm struggling to come up with the last dynamic slot option for the Steelers. I mean, early Juju? Even then, he was like a big slot and not someone who spent as much time as Boyd has in the slot. Juju was kind of a chess piece who got moved around some and still worked on the outside.

We like our outside WRs, our TEs with names we can slow chant, and our 230+ pound RBs.

A younger version of Cordarrelle Patterson is the perfect option.

[stillthere]

We need a route runner, not a big one trick pony. The injury stuff and age added in is just a no for me.

Why? Russ tends to hold the ball and throws a deep fade or he holds the ball and throws to within a yard of the LOS.

Why do we need a route runner? It is not like Russ sits and reads the progressions consistently.

[stillthere]

Again, I think we need to look at what Arthur Smith’s offenses have been using as far as pass targets. It’s almost totally made up of big/physical dudes, not route runners:
AJ Brown
Drake London
Cory Davis
Kyle Pitts
Mack Hollins
Jonnu Smith

I think normal or undersized route runners are going to have trouble getting snaps and targets.

Which makes one wonder about the usefulness of guys like Calvin Austin and Connor Heyward.

Heyward is our discount Jonnu Smith.

Cal Austin is going to be the PR and get about 25 targets or fewer, whether he's WR3 or WR4. Feel bad for him, because on a normal team running a normal NFL offense, he'd get 3 times that. Tutu Atwell had 67 targets as the Rams WR3.

Nate Washington got targets in Tenn.

[stillthere]

yes my bad

Meh. Happens.

I obviously don't watch much Falcons football, but the Pitts thing is weird to me. I kept hearing how the Atl offense didn't feature Pitts, but on paper he's getting just as many targets as guys like Dalton Schultz and George Kittle (while having a garbage QB).

Empty calorie targets, i know, i have had Pitts in FF last few seasons and lets just say it hasnt been good lol

His ability is off the scales but his production is mediocre at best.

[bradshaw2ben]

Which makes one wonder about the usefulness of guys like Calvin Austin and Connor Heyward.

Heyward is our discount Jonnu Smith.

Cal Austin is going to be the PR and get about 25 targets or fewer, whether he's WR3 or WR4. Feel bad for him, because on a normal team running a normal NFL offense, he'd get 3 times that. Tutu Atwell had 67 targets as the Rams WR3.

Nate Washington got targets in Tenn.

Outside receiver who isn't tiny. And can block. That's the schtick.

[stillthere]

Heyward is our discount Jonnu Smith.

Cal Austin is going to be the PR and get about 25 targets or fewer, whether he's WR3 or WR4. Feel bad for him, because on a normal team running a normal NFL offense, he'd get 3 times that. Tutu Atwell had 67 targets as the Rams WR3.

Nate Washington got targets in Tenn.

Outside receiver who isn't tiny. And can block. That's the schtick.

6 foot 1 inch
183lbs

is right down the middle. I always looked at him as fairly undersized with wheels.

He is about 20 lbs lighter than the average NFL WR

[steelclan]

Mark Kaboly
@MarkKaboly
·
13m
Some people (not all) inside Steelers not 100% on board with signing Tyler Boyd. There is still time to work things and everything is still on the table but it doesn't appear anywhere close to a sure thing like it appeared to be a week ago at this time.

Guessing Arthur Smith is in the "no" category. Boyd is really good... but he's a slot receiver. Not sure slot WR is in the playbook.

So the slowish lad from Florida St in the 2nd then?

[K_C_]

Guessing Arthur Smith is in the "no" category. Boyd is really good... but he's a slot receiver. Not sure slot WR is in the playbook.

So the slowish lad from Florida St in the 2nd then?

Coleman might not have Tyreek Hill speed and I know he didn't run well at the combine, but he reminds me A LOT of Pickens. Very strong hands. Highlight reel catches. Tough as fuck to bring down. Has some Deebo Samuel in him (Coleman even looks like a 49ers receiver), willing blocker and the Steelers could do a helluva lot worse than Keon Coleman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgWl2EtJzBg

[steelclan]

Guessing Arthur Smith is in the "no" category. Boyd is really good... but he's a slot receiver. Not sure slot WR is in the playbook.

So the slowish lad from Florida St in the 2nd then?

Coleman might not have Tyreek Hill speed and I know he didn't run well at the combine, but he reminds me A LOT of Pickens. Very strong hands. Highlight reel catches. Tough as fuck to bring down. Has some Deebo Samuel in him (Coleman even looks like a 49ers receiver), willing blocker and the Steelers could do a helluva lot worse than Keon Coleman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgWl2EtJzBg

I like his tape and he showed well in pass catching drill at combine. Speed has to be concern but if B2B is right can't think of anyone else stand out in draft that fits the mold of what Smith looks for.

Bit of Anquan Boldin vibes with Coleman.

[Stillchest]

So the slowish lad from Florida St in the 2nd then?

Coleman might not have Tyreek Hill speed and I know he didn't run well at the combine, but he reminds me A LOT of Pickens. Very strong hands. Highlight reel catches. Tough as fuck to bring down. Has some Deebo Samuel in him (Coleman even looks like a 49ers receiver), willing blocker and the Steelers could do a helluva lot worse than Keon Coleman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgWl2EtJzBg

I like his tape and he showed well in pass catching drill at combine. Speed has to be concern but if B2B is right can't think of anyone else stand out in draft that fits the mold of what Smith looks for.

Bit of Anquan Boldin vibes with Coleman.

I don't know?!

Wouldn't Coleman be redundancy pairing him with Pickens?

Arthur Smith's preferred personnel groupings seem one dimensional.

[JackLambert58]

Yep, me, too. Good Lord this board has been a collective downer since 2011

FTFY

That damn Tebow!

[Jobu]

Hey guys…remember when the Steelers were looking for an Offensive Coordinator and we were all hoping for a guy with modern offensive ideas? A Shanahan or McVay disciple.
Then we got the only guy in the league with more of a Stone Age philosophy than Mike Tomlin!

[Greeksteel]

So the slowish lad from Florida St in the 2nd then?

Coleman might not have Tyreek Hill speed and I know he didn't run well at the combine, but he reminds me A LOT of Pickens. Very strong hands. Highlight reel catches. Tough as fuck to bring down. Has some Deebo Samuel in him (Coleman even looks like a 49ers receiver), willing blocker and the Steelers could do a helluva lot worse than Keon Coleman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgWl2EtJzBg

I like his tape and he showed well in pass catching drill at combine. Speed has to be concern but if B2B is right can't think of anyone else stand out in draft that fits the mold of what Smith looks for.

Bit of Anquan Boldin vibes with Coleman.

i dunno, he gives me kelvin benjamin vibes

[gojira5150]

Guessing Arthur Smith is in the "no" category. Boyd is really good... but he's a slot receiver. Not sure slot WR is in the playbook.

So the slowish lad from Florida St in the 2nd then?

Coleman might not have Tyreek Hill speed and I know he didn't run well at the combine, but he reminds me A LOT of Pickens. Very strong hands. Highlight reel catches. Tough as fuck to bring down. Has some Deebo Samuel in him (Coleman even looks like a 49ers receiver), willing blocker and the Steelers could do a helluva lot worse than Keon Coleman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgWl2EtJzBg

I like Coleman. I would be thrilled if he was a Steeler. Grab his QB Travis in later RDS would be nice

[K_C_]

So the slowish lad from Florida St in the 2nd then?

Coleman might not have Tyreek Hill speed and I know he didn't run well at the combine, but he reminds me A LOT of Pickens. Very strong hands. Highlight reel catches. Tough as fuck to bring down. Has some Deebo Samuel in him (Coleman even looks like a 49ers receiver), willing blocker and the Steelers could do a helluva lot worse than Keon Coleman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgWl2EtJzBg

I like Coleman. I would be thrilled if he was a Steeler. Grab his QB Travis in later RDS would be nice

RIGHT FUCKING WITH YOU.

Unfortunately, while I would love to see them grab Travis in the 3rd or 4th, I think the Steelers are all in on Justin Fields learning from Russell Wilson and in a season or 2, that torch will be passed.

Just too many other needs I think, for them to look for a developmental QB early enough to grab Travis.

I hope I'm wrong.