How are the Browns in first place in the AFCN?

[Legacy User]

I forget, is it Hoyer with 6 wins and Pettine with 3 losses, or the other way around?

I can't keep up

Great question.

In that specific example, Pettine has 6 wins, Hoyer with 3.

Good coach.

Right, because when you're really not "expected'' to lose to anyone they deduct less points when you do

But somehow your coach and QB are leading you to their 3rd consecutive 8-8 campaign but you think they're still expected to beat every team. Even winless teams.

I hate so-called Steeler fans that ask for respect instead of allowing their team to earn it on the field. And this team hasn't earned shit.

You say 8-8 like its a bad thing.

[Legacy User]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

[Legacy User]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

Whoa....

I say he ends up in HOF regardless of what happens from here forward.

[Legacy User]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

Dont sweat that

Im sensing a run starting this week

[Legacy User]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

Dont sweat that

Im sensing a run starting this week

I agree.

[K_C_]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

Whoa....

I say he ends up in HOF regardless of what happens from here forward.

I'm still not 100% convinced he gets in without another run.

Also, when you're tethered to the bug-eyed fuck and the swinger, it's gonna be extremely tough to go on another run.

[955876]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

The list of fastest to 100 wins or whatever it was is VERY short. Ben is on that list.

I have no problem saying Ben can and could have played better in some instances.

But your odd obsession of placing all this on Ben while next to none on the coaches is weird.

Example: Tampa loss. Ben was waaaaay down the list in terms of responsible for that loss yet that is where you focused your criticism. Not a peep about a coordinator who's defense allowed a scrub QB and an OC literally calling his first game to ass rape his D. That's weird.

Almost as weird as your near two year rant about how much Ward had left in the tank and should have been retained even though every single head coach and front office exec in the NFL completely disagreed with you.

[Stillchest]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

Whoa....

I say he ends up in HOF regardless of what happens from here forward.

I'm still not 100% convinced he gets in without another run.

Also, when you're tethered to the bug-eyed fuck and the swinger, it's gonna be extremely tough to go on another run.

I agree.

Tomlin is a shit HC, who's best attempts without a stacked Pro Bowl roster, compliments of is predecessor is mediocrity.

He's a fucking anchor to any HOF caliber player.

[Legacy User]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

The list of fastest to 100 wins or whatever it was is VERY short. Ben is on that list.

I have no problem saying Ben can and could have played better in some instances.

But your odd obsession of placing all this on Ben while next to none on the coaches is weird.

Example: Tampa loss. Ben was waaaaay down the list in terms of responsible for that loss yet that is where you focused your criticism. Not a peep about a coordinator who's defense allowed a scrub QB and an OC literally calling his first game to ass rape his D. That's weird.

Almost as weird as your near two year rant about how much Ward had left in the tank and should have been retained even though every single head coach and front office exec in the NFL completely disagreed with you.

This post is dead on.

[Legacy User]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

[K_C_]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

But how 'bout that pooch punt? Looked pretty good to me.

[Legacy User]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

But how 'bout that pooch punt? Looked pretty good to me.

I agree that was stupid

[Legacy User]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

Do you actually root for him to do well or do you enjoy questioning his ability more?

[Legacy User]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

Do you actually root for him to do well or do you enjoy questioning his ability more?

Is this what you say everytime you're presented with FACTS that aren't in your favor

Why do you root for his coaching staff to fail ?

[jeemie]

Of course not, I meant 8-8 as its a good thing and common amongst "HOF QB's"

He's not making the hall of anything unless he starts winning football games

Whoa....

I say he ends up in HOF regardless of what happens from here forward.

On this subject I agree with IC...his HoF candidacy is doubtful at this point.

[jeemie]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

So he made two mistakes in the Tampa game, and that makes his day "nothing special"?

[Legacy User]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

So he made two mistakes in the Tampa game, and that makes his day "nothing special"?

2 that come to mind

[Steelperch]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

Do you actually root for him to do well or do you enjoy questioning his ability more?

Is this what you say everytime you're presented with FACTS that aren't in your favor

Why do you root for his coaching staff to fail ?

The facts are clearly in Barry Foster's favor here. You realize no QB ever has won 200 games (the standard you held Ben to) right? You realize every QB to ever win 100 games in their career is currently in the HOF or an active QB named Brady, Manning, Brees, or Roethlisberger? Ben could play .500 ball for the rest of his career and make the HOF first ballot slam dunk. Hell Warren Moon and Dan Fouts played .500 ball for their entire careers and made the Hall.

[jeemie]

He's 22-19 in the last 2.5 years. Thats not HOF pace. His wins came 3 years ago and later. At that pace it will be year 2026 by the time he reaches 200 wins

and he was nothing special in the Tampa Bay game. Fumbling inside your own 10 yard line and being late on a pylon throw which led to a FG don't really help your team in a 4 point loss

But obviously I didn't read a stat page and try to tell a story. 343 yards against the Jets. WOOHOO what a great day

So he made two mistakes in the Tampa game, and that makes his day "nothing special"?

2 that come to mind

No- those were it unless you want to count a pass that may have been SLIGHTLY overthrown to Wheaton.

The mistakes on the part of his receivers were much more blatant.

Nothing wrong with criticizing Ben, but you are still holding Ben to an impossible standard.

[Legacy User]

Do you actually root for him to do well or do you enjoy questioning his ability more?

Is this what you say everytime you're presented with FACTS that aren't in your favor

Why do you root for his coaching staff to fail ?

The facts are clearly in Barry Foster's favor here. You realize no QB ever has won 200 games (the standard you held Ben to) right? You realize every QB to ever win 100 games in their career is currently in the HOF or an active QB named Brady, Manning, Brees, or Roethlisberger? Ben could play .500 ball for the rest of his career and make the HOF first ballot slam dunk. Hell Warren Moon and Dan Fouts played .500 ball for their entire careers and made the Hall.

Unlike IC, I like Ben a lot more than Tomlin. That said, he's not making the HOF without another ring. Brady, Manning and Brees are beloved by all. Ben, not so much. That matters a lot more than 200/100.

[Legacy User]

37,000 yards

2 time SB winner

Playing lights out

In 3 years will have 50,000 yards passing

That says HOF to me

[Legacy User]

Coaching.

You're underrating their RBs too. Crowell and West are two very promising rookies and Tate has always been very good when healthy.

But it's mostly coaching.

All coaches are elite or they wouldn't be in the NFL.Coaches don't execute. Therefore its Ben's fault for not elevating.

[Legacy User]

Coaching.

You're underrating their RBs too. Crowell and West are two very promising rookies and Tate has always been very good when healthy.

But it's mostly coaching.

All coaches are elite or they wouldn't be in the NFL.Coaches don't execute. Therefore its Ben's fault for not elevating.

Sarca, right?

Rich Kotite was a head coach.

[Legacy User]

Don't the Browns have a part owner who used to be with the Steelers? Maybe he's teaching them the right way to do things.

Yep ....jimmy haslan....currently charged with tax evasion...racketerring
Fraud.....jaywalking....etc etc

Rooney taught him well

Are you policing him from the Golden Corral chocolate fountain?

[Legacy User]

Coaching.

You're underrating their RBs too. Crowell and West are two very promising rookies and Tate has always been very good when healthy.

But it's mostly coaching.

All coaches are elite or they wouldn't be in the NFL.Coaches don't execute. Therefore its Ben's fault for not elevating.

Sarca, right?

Rich Kotite was a head coach.

He still is , see below

[jeemie]

Unlike IC, I like Ben a lot more than Tomlin. That said, he's not making the HOF without another ring. Brady, Manning and Brees are beloved by all. Ben, not so much. That matters a lot more than 200/100.

This is where I'm at...the voters can be much more vindictive than people give credit for.

That said...maybe the totality of stats will override that- we'll see.

[Legacy User]

Unlike IC, I like Ben a lot more than Tomlin. That said, he's not making the HOF without another ring. Brady, Manning and Brees are beloved by all. Ben, not so much. That matters a lot more than 200/100.

This is where I'm at...the voters can be much more vindictive than people give credit for.

That said...maybe the totality of stats will override that- we'll see.

Without a ring I don't think Ben makes it. If he were to make it sans a 3rd ring it won't be for at least 20 years after he retires. Time can dull the hate.

[Legacy User]

The facts are clearly in Barry Foster's favor here. You realize no QB ever has won 200 games (the standard you held Ben to) right? You realize every QB to ever win 100 games in their career is currently in the HOF or an active QB named Brady, Manning, Brees, or Roethlisberger? Ben could play .500 ball for the rest of his career and make the HOF first ballot slam dunk. Hell Warren Moon and Dan Fouts played .500 ball for their entire careers and made the Hall.

Well captain literal I didn't expect him to win 200 games I was using it as an analogy his his wins pace over the last 3 years isn't it once was

[Legacy User]

37,000 yards

2 time SB winner

Playing lights out

In 3 years will have 50,000 yards passing

That says HOF to me

slam dunk 1st ballot resume