straightoutofClemson wrote:Jeemie wrote:Clem:
We just had Swiss' insider report that LeBeau most certainly DID NOT quit.
So you are completely, 100% wrong with your assessment of the situation.
No, you are a fool for taking some unsourced internet bullshit seriously. Especially when it contradicts the only sourced report from NFL.com.
Jeemie wrote:straightoutofClemson wrote:No, you are a fool for taking some unsourced internet bullshit seriously. Especially when it contradicts the only sourced report from NFL.com.
Swiss' relationship with Coach Priatko, and Coach Priatko's relationship to Dick LeBeau is well known, Clem.
I trust this story WAY more than I trust anything from Ian Crappaport.
Butler and Tomlin have a history of working together that pre-dates their time with the Steelers.
Butler was the defensive coordinator at Arkansas State in 1998 when Tomlin was the defensive backs coach. Two years earlier, they were on the same staff together at University of Memphis
swissvale72 wrote:R S wrote:Swiss, i'm guessing your old Coach pretty much knows everything that's gone done, being the close friend he is with old Dick. Let's clear the air. What is the real story?
Here's what I know, RS.
Coach talked with LeBeau late Friday night and LeBeau hadn't yet talked with Tomlin, Rooney or anyone else. He then talked with Rooney on Saturday. Coach then talked with him afterwards and really, the only part of that convo that he directly shared with me was the part that was in the paper, that LeBeau told Coach Priatko that he was more upset about it than he (LeBeau) was.
He did tell me though that he (Coach Priatko) would have preferred LeBeau to simply say that his contract wasn't renewed (doesn't sound like a guy that made the decision to leave), but that LeBeau is such an upbeat, classy, never say anything bad about anyone, type of guy that he simply said he wasn't retiring, but resigning. Coach did ask him if he talked with the Rooneys, to which LeBeau said that he hadn't, and that that wasn't in his plans. Coach also believes
Coach did tell me that there isn't any question (his words) that Butler will be promoted, and that it's likely that the Rooneys and Tomlin didn't want to wait on that any longer.
On a lighter note, one of the reporters that contacted Coach told him they were shocked that the Rooneys would do this to LeBeau, to which Coach reminded the reporter that Dan Rooney had fired his own brother.
And FWIW, when LeBeau was asked if he would back last Saturday night, postgame inside the Steelers reception area, I did hear him say that he certainly would if the Steelers would have him. There was no hesitancy, no indication that this was a coach who was dissatisfied, who was considering stepping down of his own accord....and again, FWIW.
The guy said he'll coach again depending on who/where makes him an offer. I can tell you that he's obviously close to his family, both times I met him, there were about a dozen family members that had traveled from Ohio. My sense is that this is a ritual for each and every home game. I've got to believe that it was his wish and intent to finish his coaching career in Pittsburgh....again, if they would have him. In the end, I think it was the Steelers call not to have him.
swissvale72 wrote:Wasn't it, Ron.
I think next few days will show it was about Butler, and not wanting to lose him to retain DL for possibly one more year.
Jeemie wrote:straightoutofClemson wrote:No, you are a fool for taking some unsourced internet bullshit seriously. Especially when it contradicts the only sourced report from NFL.com.
Swiss' relationship with Coach Priatko, and Coach Priatko's relationship to Dick LeBeau are both well established, Clem.
I trust Swiss' version of events WAY more than I trust anything from Ian Crappaport.
He's proved he has no reliable "inside sources" with the Steelers with his Ben fiasco last year.
GreekSteel wrote:Lebeau has always said hed come back for as long as the Steelers would want him. This is all about Butler. They ve told him for years your time is coming, asked and prevented him from leaving. Couldn't hold that promotion back any longer. Its Butlers time.
Plus theres this interesting tidbit. Seems Tomlin and Butler have a history together as well.Butler and Tomlin have a history of working together that pre-dates their time with the Steelers.
Butler was the defensive coordinator at Arkansas State in 1998 when Tomlin was the defensive backs coach. Two years earlier, they were on the same staff together at University of Memphis
straightoutofClemson wrote:I don't know Swissvale.
I don't know Priatko.
I've never seen any offer of a DC job to Butler. He is a fucking idiot if he didn't take the promotion, but to me it's more unsourced bullshit.
If you don't have some sort of source it's just more internet bullshit to me.
LeBeau had his annual end-of-the-season meeting with Tomlin on Saturday morning, said LeBeau's best friend, Bill Priatko, who spoke with LeBeau shortly afterward. That was when the sides decided to part ways after 13 seasons over two stints.
“Let me tell you, he was so upbeat that I thought he just won the Super Bowl,” Priatko said. “He told me, ‘You are taking it tougher than me.' ”
Priatko, who was roommates with LeBeau during the Cleveland Browns' 1959 preseason training camp, had lunch with his friend every Friday at the Steelers practice facility.
Jeemie wrote:straightoutofClemson wrote:I don't know Swissvale.
I don't know Priatko.
I've never seen any offer of a DC job to Butler. He is a fucking idiot if he didn't take the promotion, but to me it's more unsourced bullshit.
If you don't have some sort of source it's just more internet bullshit to me.
Why do you believe Ian Rappaport has a source?
SP wrote:I'll have to dig up the link but I read Lebeau said he was surprised the Steelers didn't want him back. That came a day or two after the Rooney to decide Lebeaus fate story came out. I can't inagine Dick leaving on his own.
straightoutofClemson wrote:
Because he states he has sources.
FromPittWithLove wrote:This has everything to do with Butler, let's follow the course of events and it becomes imminently clear what is going on:
1. Butler was approached by the Tennessee Titans this past offseason to become the DC
2. This move was blocked by the Steelers, as is their right (any move, even from position coach to coordinator can be blocked, as long as it is not to a HC Position)
3. Given that the Steelers had to block the move, it seems fair to infer that Butler was interested in leaving the organization (this is different from when he simply chose not to accept the position with the Colts in 2012 - http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -steelers/)
3. According to Gerry Dulac, Butler's contract has expired (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/stee ... 1501100138)
4. Given that Butler is now a free agent the Steelers no longer have the ability to block him from taking another job
5. Couple the above with the fact that Butler likely was willing to leave last year (interpretation of the Steelers blocking his interview), one would have to assume that the Steelers were afraid that Butler was absolutely going to leave if he was not the defensive coordinator
6. If Butler is truly the DC of the future (and honestly, Dick L. is NOT), the Steelers absolutely had to make this move and push LeBeau out now
Sorry, Clem, I don't think this has anything to do with LeBeau being unhappy - it was a move by the Steelers to ensure the future of their staff
straightoutofClemson wrote:Jeemie wrote:straightoutofClemson wrote:I don't know Swissvale.
I don't know Priatko.
I've never seen any offer of a DC job to Butler. He is a fucking idiot if he didn't take the promotion, but to me it's more unsourced bullshit.
If you don't have some sort of source it's just more internet bullshit to me.
Why do you believe Ian Rappaport has a source?
Because he states he has sources. The Brown espn piece contradicts it but notable by it's absence is any mention of even an anonymous source.
GreekSteel wrote:Lebeau has always said hed come back for as long as the Steelers would want him. This is all about Butler. They ve told him for years your time is coming, asked and prevented him from leaving. Couldn't hold that promotion back any longer. Its Butlers time.
Plus theres this interesting tidbit. Seems Tomlin and Butler have a history together as well.Butler and Tomlin have a history of working together that pre-dates their time with the Steelers.
Butler was the defensive coordinator at Arkansas State in 1998 when Tomlin was the defensive backs coach. Two years earlier, they were on the same staff together at University of Memphis
straightoutofClemson wrote:But what I take seriously is the actual quote from Lebeau.
Jeemie wrote:I just linked a source- the source is Bill Priatko....Dick LeBeau's best friend.
Now- the Trib story- sourcing Priatko- simply states that the two sides mutally agreed to part ways- however there is a definite slant to that piece that LeBeau had said several times he would be a Steeler as long as the Steelers wanted him.
And whether or not you know it or believe it, long-time Steelerfury members are well aware that Swiss also has a relationship with Priatko.
And the other stuff that has been laid out here supports a "Steelers wanted LeBeau gone" story over a "LeBeau is pissed with the Steelers and so left" story.
You are wrong wrong wrong, Clem.
KC wrote:Oh.
Okay.
Jeemie wrote:straightoutofClemson wrote:But what I take seriously is the actual quote from Lebeau.
The actual quote from LeBeau in no ways suggests that leaving was his idea.
It is simply his way of saying that he's not done with football.
straightoutofClemson wrote:You should be thrilled. If to be believed the guy that OKed Jervis and Shazier is now going to be running the defense for the HC that brought mike Mitchell in...
Orangesteel wrote:KC, good to see the lead singer of Clutch is back on the boards. I missed that dude's face.
straightoutofClemson wrote:Jeemie wrote:I just linked a source- the source is Bill Priatko....Dick LeBeau's best friend.
Now- the Trib story- sourcing Priatko- simply states that the two sides mutally agreed to part ways- however there is a definite slant to that piece that LeBeau had said several times he would be a Steeler as long as the Steelers wanted him.
And whether or not you know it or believe it, long-time Steelerfury members are well aware that Swiss also has a relationship with Priatko.
And the other stuff that has been laid out here supports a "Steelers wanted LeBeau gone" story over a "LeBeau is pissed with the Steelers and so left" story.
You are wrong wrong wrong, Clem.
Where is the source, source, source?
Are you seriously stating that some third person account from some "friend of Lebeau" presented by an internet character is the standard for proof?KC wrote:Oh.
Okay.
You should be thrilled. If to be believed the guy that OKed Jervis and Shazier is now going to be running the defense for the HC that brought mike Mitchell in...
