Mizzou Prez Resigns

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You deflect from the abhorrence of overt racism by emphasizing trust fund kids calling for some admission of white privilege.

By doing so makes one a racist apologist, though. How different is it from being a racist?

Now, I am not calling anyone in this thread racist. I don't think that is appropriate or fair and, furthermore, I don't believe it to be true.

You're right though, it wasn't appropriate or fair, and probably not true. For that I apologize.

[Legacy User]

On a mental health level, this is so destructive. Buddhism, desensitization, cognitive therapy all argue against the safe space movement. It is completely unrealistic to expect or seek out a life free of negative feelings or encounters with assholes. College should be teaching students how to cope with adversity and differences of opinion and not infantilizing them.

Campus mental health centers are overflowing with students on benzos, antidepressants and Adderall. What does Buddhism teach about a life of high expectations and about a life spent trying to avoid suffering.

But they'd tell me, fuck off old man, then head back to the lazy river at the dorm.

And yes, I've had my own issues with asshole cops. I lived in Philadelphia during the Rizzo era. I once had a pullover so abusive and absurd, had I been AA I would have been a national martyr and a multimillionaire in the follow up lawsuit. Somehow I resisted the idea of going for the cop's gun though. And somehow, today, I am still pro-cop.

[Legacy User]

On a mental health level, this is so destructive. Buddhism, desensitization, cognitive therapy all argue against the safe space movement.

Ok, but to whom are you making this argument?

Also, "this" has an indefinite antecedent. To what in particular do you refer by "this"?

Further, do you think racist speech should be tolerated on university campuses in order to ensure good, mental health? If so, to what extent should it be tolerated? And what are the mental health benefits that black students get from such treatment?

I mean, as a general rule, yeah, it's a bad idea to infantalize and too much shelter. But in this case in particular, it seems odd to think it dangerous to mental health to wish end racism on campus.

But if you think having racist speech directed at you is essential for mental health, ok. Somehow, I doubt that is what yo believe.

[Legacy User]

Do we understand the irony of protestors seeking racial justice self segregating into Black-only safe spaces? This is straight out of Monty Python.

And as far as your last sentence, you're an arsonist in a field of straw men.

[Legacy User]

Do we understand the irony of protestors seeking racial justice self segregating into Black-only safe spaces? This is straight out of Monty Python.

And as far as your last sentence, you're an arsonist in a field of straw men.

Well I said I doubt that's what you think, didn't I? Maybe you should explain yourself further because your post is not at all clear. If you're going to resort to name calling ("arsonist in a field of straw men"), post whatever you want, I'm done.

[Legacy User]

Then stop paraphrasing things I never wrote nor implied. I never said they shouldn't deal with the issue. I said it was impossible to shield kids from every negative thing in life and to be an eye in the sky helicopter parent.

If I were AA and someone came up with an Nbomb, I think the appropriate and most satisfying response would a right cross Deebo style. No jury would convict you today of assault. Justice on the spot.

There has to be a penalty for false accusations as well. The woman at North Texas needs to lose her job for her libel.

[Legacy User]

White boys talking about racism is like watching white boys dance. No matter how well-meaning, you can't help but look like morons.

The university president was simply the sacrificial lamb. The trustees and state administration got together and said bye. Obviously they didn't think much of him because if he were a rainmaker or top college president, they would have had him make a "statement" instead of making him impale himself on his sword.

Now Missouri looks like they are doing something. They can't afford black football athletes saying fuck you and going to other Big 12 schools instead. They can't afford their own athletes walking out. Lucky for all university programs, that athletic scholarship is so important that people will take unnecessary abuse just to keep it. Plus they have their pro dreams to consider even if they are pipe dreams.

It makes everyone feel better to think these are isolated incidents or project what their racially clueless asses would do in a similar situation. When white people get so sensitive or dismissive about these situations and then wonder why black people are so sensitive, it's pure comedy.

Clearly what's happening in Missouri is NOT a series of isolated events:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/12/us/un ... 53040&_r=0

You can look the other way if a cab driver insults you. But if your neighbor insults you monthly, what are you supposed to do...stay quiet?

A subset of Missouri's student body have a pervasive mindset where racial insults and insensitivity come to be expected or even considered funny...both historically and today. So yeah, you would bitch slap anyone who would say shit to you...right...especially if you were part of the 5% that made the student body and you knew the campus cops would taser your ass no matter what.

[955876]

Sure, black students openly being called niggers (let's not sanitize it by calling it a "racial incident") on campus is the same thing as taco day. What's all the fuss? Why are these black students so soft and easily offended? Why don't they respect the first amendment?

Lit, I in no way was comparing the two. The taco day thing is just another example of people getting offended over something dumb. I don't think Th initial incident here is dumb. Those kids should be offended. It's their response that is dumb. And way out of line.

I think a student throwing hateful racial slurs at another student is offensive. But correct me if I'm wrong here, wasn't said offender expelled? Is that not taking action? The damn kid was expelled for their actions.

But no, that isn't enough, the mob mentality creeps in and now the president of the school needs to resign? Over comments made by a student who he expelled for said comments? That is ridiculous and creates a VERY slippery slope.

I'm not condoning it. I'm saying action was taken which I feel was appropriate and sends the message that sort of thing will no be tolerated. Why was that not enough for the ones offended? Kid got kicked out of school for it.

It's the ones claiming to be so offended that ar creating a racial situation.

Demanding the President admit his "white priveledg"?? What kind of horseshit is that?

I'd understand their position had he taken no action on the offender. But that isn't what I understand took place.

What else should he have done other then expelling the student? Let those offended run a train on his wife? Sponsor a kegger and only allow those offended to attend? Sign his paycheck over to them? Let them drive his BMW?

He expelled the kid.

[Legacy User]

<<Let those offended run a train on his wife?>>

The ultimate "safe space" I guess

Though given the mentality of these students, they would have preferred suckling on her teat until they fell asleep

[955876]

Further, does anyone not find it a bit hypocritical that many of these "offended" and making demands belong to an organization called the "Legion of Black Collegians"?

An organization that promotes advocacy solely for the black students? Why not promote equality for all racial groups on campus?

Would a white only group such as this even be able to form? Doubt it.

I even scrolled through the schools clubs. Lots of clubs exclusively supporting African Americans and several other racial & ethnic groups. Women as well.

No white only groups.

So is the situation there really so racially charged?

If I'm wrong about the kid being expelled then I'm am wrong. I just don't see why demands such as these should be caved in to when it appears direct action was taken against the student who did the offending.

That should have been sufficient.

[FortyThree]

Those students need there asses kicked - nothing but a mob.

I give them credit, at least they weren't rioting because their head football coach got fired.

[COR-TEN]

Would a white only group such as this even be able to form? Doubt it.

Because 'white' makes up 77% of the population of the united states.

It's the way minorities and majorities work. If the population reaches parity, then your argument might apply.

[955876]

Would a white only group such as this even be able to form? Doubt it.

Because 'white' makes up 77% of the population of the united states.

It's the way minorities and majorities work. If the population reaches parity, then your argument might apply.

That's nonsense.

A racially segregated group is exactly what it is.

You are saying young white college students should not be allowed to form a group because there are more white people in America???

And I hope nobody starts throwing he 95 is a racist shit around. That's not my intent here. My wife is Hispanic and her sister is married to an African American.

I have no issues with what someone's race is.

I do take issue with certain schools of thought. Regardless of ones skin color.

Much like the white cunt who wanted some "muscle" to remove the reporter who wasn't causing any type of disturbance.

[COR-TEN]

Would a white only group such as this even be able to form? Doubt it.

Because 'white' makes up 77% of the population of the united states.

It's the way minorities and majorities work. If the population reaches parity, then your argument might apply.

You are saying young white college students should not be allowed to form a group because there are more white people in America???

I think what I'm saying is that whites don't need to start a group because they are the majority which hasn't suffered the consequences of majority based prejudice. It the tables were turned, I'd say create as many white groups as you like. Groups and organizations tend to offset the inequity. Having said that, minorities can't expect to be represented equally because they are the minority. It's a sticky problem of which no answers have been presented that address the issue. Democracy as we know it and the current form of governance doesn't take this into account. This is why there is so much shit over race relations, immigration, and demographics. Stir in some economic inequality and you've got a thick soup of ideological conflict.

Much like the white c*nt who wanted some "muscle" to remove the reporter who wasn't causing any type of disturbance.

As I said, the people in that video have their heads in their asses; caught up in the moment. But you cannot deny the current climate of race based violence has something to do with it.

[Legacy User]

As Dick Cheney said about Iraq, you break it you own it. He owns Iraq.

The left owns this PC safe space/microaggression insanity:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... ?cid=bitly

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As Dick Cheney said about Iraq, you break it you own it. He owns Iraq.

The left owns this PC safe space/microaggression insanity:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... ?cid=bitly

And you accuse me of confusing facts?

Colin Powell is the one that said "you break, it you own it." You know. The sole voice of reason in the Bush administration. Although he sold his soul because loyalty.

Dick Cheney is the one that wanted to invade Iraq because of invented fears of WMD.

[Legacy User]

You are correct that it was Colin Powell. You may note that I occasionally make a typo since I don't proof these. It was obviously my mistake not a lie because there was no advantage to my argument to claim it was Cheney, in fact it was disadvantageous. I wouldn't expect you to know the difference between a mistake and lie, so don't sweat it. But the larger point is true. So Dick Cheney owns Iraq. Everything that is happening on campuses is owned by the left. They created this environment.

[Legacy User]

Then stop paraphrasing things I never wrote nor implied. I never said they shouldn't deal with the issue. I said it was impossible to shield kids from every negative thing in life and to be an eye in the sky helicopter parent.

If I were AA and someone came up with an Nbomb, I think the appropriate and most satisfying response would a right cross Deebo style. No jury would convict you today of assault. Justice on the spot.

There has to be a penalty for false accusations as well. The woman at North Texas needs to lose her job for her libel.

But your post was UNCLEAR. And you have failed to respond to my clear question.

I AGREE that you cannot shelter everything, nor should you. But what do you suggest the uni do about racial slurs on campus? How tolerant do you yourself want to be about this? You made a general point where the argument concerns a specific point about racial slurs hurled at black students on a college campus.

Rather than defending a general point about the ridiculousness of safe space BS (it is ridiculous and it is contrary to liberal thinking [as in liberal arts]), why don't you pony up, and actually say how tolerant you think we should be of racial slurs on campus.

No one in this thread thinks safe space micro aggression trigger warnings are a good idea. So stop attacking a position no one here holds. Unless you think speaking out against racist epithets in the context of a college campus is on the same level. Do you? Or do you just want to hide behind generalities?

[Legacy User]

Sure, black students openly being called niggers (let's not sanitize it by calling it a "racial incident") on campus is the same thing as taco day. What's all the fuss? Why are these black students so soft and easily offended? Why don't they respect the first amendment?

Lit, I in no way was comparing the two. The taco day thing is just another example of people getting offended over something dumb. I don't think Th initial incident here is dumb. Those kids should be offended. It's their response that is dumb. And way out of line.

I think a student throwing hateful racial slurs at another student is offensive. But correct me if I'm wrong here, wasn't said offender expelled? Is that not taking action? The damn kid was expelled for their actions.

But no, that isn't enough, the mob mentality creeps in and now the president of the school needs to resign? Over comments made by a student who he expelled for said comments? That is ridiculous and creates a VERY slippery slope.

I'm not condoning it. I'm saying action was taken which I feel was appropriate and sends the message that sort of thing will no be tolerated. Why was that not enough for the ones offended? Kid got kicked out of school for it.

It's the ones claiming to be so offended that ar creating a racial situation.

Demanding the President admit his "white priveledg"?? What kind of horseshit is that?

I'd understand their position had he taken no action on the offender. But that isn't what I understand took place.

What else should he have done other then expelling the student? Let those offended run a train on his wife? Sponsor a kegger and only allow those offended to attend? Sign his paycheck over to them? Let them drive his BMW?

He expelled the kid.

Totally fair response. I don't know that expulsion was the right way to go to be honest (will expelling someone stop them from being racist?!). What that campus needs to do is have the faculty do their jobs and actually have some fearless conversations about race in the classroom. B/c the classroom is the "safe place" for ALL ideas to be discussed.

Rational argumentation is the best elixir for emotionally charged issues like this.

[Legacy User]

In answer to your question, the answer to offensive speech is speech. And in some cases, a fist. Familiarize yourself with the "fighting words" doctrine. And if some hypothetical kid spends his days habitually using racial epithets on the quad (no such animal actually exists), he should be booted. (I think NO ONE should have consequences for comments that are only subjectively distressing based on inference.) So should the harpie at Yale who yelled at the professor. So should Emma Sulkowicz for faking rape. So should the Dean at UVa for the fraternity rape charge. So should all 88 professors at Duke who condemned the lacrosse team. So should these clowns protesting how unprivileged they are on 300 dollar iphones:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -else.html

What makes me laugh about all this is that someone like Lit is far more likely to get eaten up by the mob he loves than me, since I am far away from the rabid wolfpack.

If you really are for free speech, you should be unconditionally condemning this movement.

[Drummer Boy]

White boys talking about racism is like watching white boys dance. No matter how well-meaning, you can't help but look like morons.

The university president was simply the sacrificial lamb. The trustees and state administration got together and said bye. Obviously they didn't think much of him because if he were a rainmaker or top college president, they would have had him make a "statement" instead of making him impale himself on his sword.

Now Missouri looks like they are doing something. They can't afford black football athletes saying fuck you and going to other Big 12 schools instead. They can't afford their own athletes walking out. Lucky for all university programs, that athletic scholarship is so important that people will take unnecessary abuse just to keep it. Plus they have their pro dreams to consider even if they are pipe dreams.

It makes everyone feel better to think these are isolated incidents or project what their racially clueless asses would do in a similar situation. When white people get so sensitive or dismissive about these situations and then wonder why black people are so sensitive, it's pure comedy.

Clearly what's happening in Missouri is NOT a series of isolated events:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/12/us/un ... 53040&_r=0

You can look the other way if a cab driver insults you. But if your neighbor insults you monthly, what are you supposed to do...stay quiet?

A subset of Missouri's student body have a pervasive mindset where racial insults and insensitivity come to be expected or even considered funny...both historically and today. So yeah, you would bitch slap anyone who would say shit to you...right...especially if you were part of the 5% that made the student body and you knew the campus cops would taser your ass no matter what.

Absolutely great post, ChiSteel! Not surprising you were completely ignored.

[Legacy User]

You all realize that giving into student demands here is basically a bottomless pit? It will lead to more demands that are more ridiculous. It's kind of like buying Elizabeth Taylor a diamond and hoping she will stay married to you.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... safe-space

The same people who would make fun of Bob Jones University...where Bernie Sanders was welcomed and treated respectfully. And I'm not a Bob Jones fan.

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I find it interesting that you post more in non football related threads than anything else.

[Legacy User]

Great, now see what you did Mizzou students?

You've upset Pinkel and now he's gone too.....

Recruiting is going to shit now, although shockingly Mizzou leads recruiting of 2016-2017 class of 5 star homosexual Caucasian pass rushers.

It's all fun and games until you mess with the program

[Legacy User]

Uh, oh, 35 dead in a Paris theatre. They must have been showing Book of Mormon and an LDS kid went off with an Uzi.

All we need to do is send some Mizzou protestors over there to demand a safe space.

Win-win I say.

[Legacy User]

Update: France massacre a direct retaliation from innocent Jihadists pushed over the edge by another outrageous Charlie Hebdo publication, this time going way too far

They published an image of Mohammed made of poo

I never knew how dangerous dabbling in the fecal art medium could be.....

[955876]

And yet a leading presidential candidate actually said with a straight face that the biggest threat to America is Republicans.

[Legacy User]

As we speak I am working on a hypocycloid poo art project that I plan to drop out of a large ass shaped helicopter right into the middle of the Baltimore Harborfront

That ought to be good for some triggering

My pilot, Najeh, is just waiting for me to give the drop signal

[Legacy User]

What makes me laugh about all this is that someone like Lit is far more likely to get eaten up by the mob he loves than me, since I am far away from the rabid wolfpack.

If you really are for free speech, you should be unconditionally condemning this movement.

Nothing I posted suggests I love the mob. It's hilarious that you actually agree with me for once but need so badly to disagree that you can't see it. You're an addict. Every time you post something attacking something your brain releases endorphins.

[Legacy User]

I acknowledge your point of agreement on the narcissistic coddling.

Holy hell, 140 dead in Paris...by what Obama called the JV