Time for Tomlin to go
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steelmann58 wrote:The steelers on the road for 4-5 next games
2-3
6-8 ain't that great
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I have no doubt he'll pull out his usual 8-8 or 9-7 pablum. Especially with the talent on this team.
But the bottom line is, he does not have control of his team. The continual slop and lack of discipline shown on each and every Sunday has grown to the point where, at least to me, it is no longer acceptable.
I have always said that Tomlin has his pros and his cons and when you add it all up he is a good coach. The past few games have caused me to question that evaluation.
Since those above him don't seem to hold him at all accountable for this, I guess you can't expect him to change. The job security he has causes him to rest on his laurels and although he always says the right things, when you look at the results not only is nothing changing, it's getting worse.
Yes, weed culture may have something to do with it. Legal or not, if it's affecting your work it's a problem.
But the bottom line is, he does not have control of his team. The continual slop and lack of discipline shown on each and every Sunday has grown to the point where, at least to me, it is no longer acceptable.
I have always said that Tomlin has his pros and his cons and when you add it all up he is a good coach. The past few games have caused me to question that evaluation.
Since those above him don't seem to hold him at all accountable for this, I guess you can't expect him to change. The job security he has causes him to rest on his laurels and although he always says the right things, when you look at the results not only is nothing changing, it's getting worse.
Yes, weed culture may have something to do with it. Legal or not, if it's affecting your work it's a problem.
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id be happy if he was canned today and munchek put in as interm coach the rest of season! and I bet the team would improve!!
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Munchak? LOL
Some people. He has failed a head coach in the NFL.
Get someone else.
Bring Cowher back. And fuck all college coaches who have never coached in the NFL. I'd take Jim Harbaugh. That's who we need if we're going to get rid of Tomlin.
Some people. He has failed a head coach in the NFL.
Get someone else.
Bring Cowher back. And fuck all college coaches who have never coached in the NFL. I'd take Jim Harbaugh. That's who we need if we're going to get rid of Tomlin.
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Speaking of resting on their laurels there's this article.
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2016/11/13/former-steeler-ike-taylor-told-pittsburgh-to-draft-dak-prescott/
How could they be fine w/ Landry Jones?
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2016/11/13/former-steeler-ike-taylor-told-pittsburgh-to-draft-dak-prescott/
How could they be fine w/ Landry Jones?
Stillcajun wrote:Speaking of resting on their laurels there's this article.
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2016/11/13/former-steeler-ike-taylor-told-pittsburgh-to-draft-dak-prescott/
How could they be fine w/ Landry Jones?
If true, one of R O N's pet hypotheses about Mike Tomlin takes a hit here...
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Stillcajun wrote:Speaking of resting on their laurels there's this article.
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2016/11/13/former-steeler-ike-taylor-told-pittsburgh-to-draft-dak-prescott/
How could they be fine w/ Landry Jones?
More like, there's so many gaping holes on this roster that they can't afford to use a pick on what they probably feel is a luxury item.
SteelPowerful wrote:Munchak? LOL
Some people. He has failed a head coach in the NFL.
Get someone else.
Check your facts - his FO hung him out to dry...
SteelPowerful wrote:Bring Cowher back.
Never happening...
At least Billy C. had the sense to recognize when just didn't have it in him anymore and walked away before doing more damage.
Now, perhaps as GM...
At any rate, Munchak cannot fail any worse than Tomlin for the remainder of this season, and it gives him a more-than-fair tryout for what happens after...
Munchak? LOL
Some people. He has failed a head coach in the NFL.
But look at the amazing job he's done with this offensive line! Oh...no...wait...
Bring Cowher back.
And we complain now about run, run, pass...
This team needs new coach AND a new approach...not the same old shit.
Clean house...entirely! (Not that I expect it to happen. "We do what we do" goes all the way to the top.)
Tomlin's not losing his job. He has a coaching philosophy, which extends to season long strategy, personnel development, game planning and game management.
The Rooney's seem to agree with it because the fan base has been complaining about the same shit since he arrived.
The Rooney's seem to agree with it because the fan base has been complaining about the same shit since he arrived.
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
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Cowher does not need coaching at this point of his life
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Dejan was instrumental in Shero being offed right? 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steel ... -be-fired/
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steel ... -be-fired/
Dejan Kovacevic, a longtime Pittsburgh sports reporter and the creator of DKPittsburghSports.com, called for Mike Tomlin to be fired if the Steelers don't make the playoffs this season.
Kovacevic added that Tomlin should also be fired if his 4-5 Steelers fall to the winless Brown this Sunday, as Pittsburgh is now reeling after losing it's fourth consecutive game following it's 35-30 loss to the Cowboys.
"If this team fails to make the playoffs, fire them all," Kovacevic wrote following Sunday's loss. The responsibility rises to the top. Kevin Colbert and Tomlin built this defense. Tomlin and Butler coach this defense. It isn’t nearly good enough and it isn’t collectively getting any better."
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http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2016/11/15/Tomlin-3/stories/201611150051
By Ron Cook / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Fire Tomlin!
Fire Colbert!
Would you agree those are the popular sentiments around town?
For the first time, I understand it. I don’t agree with it just yet. But I get it.
It’s not so much that the Steelers lost to the Dallas Cowboys Sunday night, their fourth consecutive loss. An alleged Super Bowl contender, they are 4-5 with four of the next five games on the road, where they are 1-3 and have played their worst football.
More troubling was Mike Tomlin’s first comments after the loss:
“For us, just not enough discipline and detail in our play to be victorious.”
Who is responsible for that if not Tomlin?
Then, there was Cam Heyward’s assessment after the defense blew two late leads by allowing two long touchdown runs by the Cowboys’ Ezekiel Elliott:
“I don’t know if it’s a lack of understanding. Everybody’s got to do their job. Giving up runs for the last two scores when we’re in a good defensive call …
“Lack of execution. We didn’t get off blocks. We didn’t close the gap. Guys weren’t in the gap. When you do that versus good teams, that’s what happens.”
Who is responsible for making that right if not Tomlin, defensive coordinator Keith Butler and the other defensive coaches?
Maybe most telling was Ben Roethlisberger’s observation:
“We are undisciplined and not accountable.”
Who is responsible for that if not Tomlin?
Tomlin knows the answers to the questions. I’ve never seen him as down after a regular-season loss as he was Sunday night. Not angry. Not so much frustrated. Just down, seemingly beaten, a man without answers.
Tomlin has only himself to blame. He has created a monster of an undisciplined team, in large part, with the way he has treated, arguably, his best player, Antonio Brown. He has allowed Brown to take silly, unnecessary celebration penalties even if he knows they hurt the team. He has turned defiant when asked about it, citing Brown’s fabulous ability and amazing work ethic. “What do you want me to do? Not play him?”
Brown has gotten away with more than just celebration penalties this season. He often runs the wrong patterns. He jogged back to the line of scrimmage in the Miami game when the offense was trying to run its 2-minute offense, presumably because he wasn’t happy with the number of throws coming his way. He gave up at the end of the Dallas game, running out of bounds at the Cowboys’ 20 as time ran out instead of getting to the middle of the field and trying to find a miracle with a series of laterals, presumably to keep his stats padded.
And Tomlin wonders why discipline is a problem?
It’s easy to blame the defense’s struggles on a lack of detail, but it surely didn’t look as if the coaching staff was on its details Sunday night. Too often, packages were sent in late from the sideline, forcing the defense to rush to get settled. It might not have been complete chaos, but it was close at times.
“Is it players? Is it coaches? I don’t know, but we need to get there quick,” Roethlisberger said when asked specifically about the lack of discipline, accountability and focus.
Better players would help. The Cowboys clearly had better personnel. That’s where Kevin Colbert comes in. He puts together the Steelers with significant input from Tomlin.
The Steelers aren’t good enough, at least defensively.
Part of the reason has been injuries. Bud Dupree has missed all of this season, although he could play Sunday at Cleveland. Senquez Golson has missed two consecutive seasons. Now, Heyward has a pectoral muscle injury that limited his effectiveness against the Cowboys and might be serious. The Steelers can’t stop the run without him.
But every team has injuries. Tomlin and Colbert just flat out missed on Jarvis Jones. Ryan Shazier often has been hurt but hasn’t done what’s expected when he’s been on the field. If Dupree can’t come back and be an impact player and Artie Burns and Sean Davis don’t develop …
How will the defense get better?
This might be Tomlin’s biggest challenge in his 10 seasons as coach. He has never lost a team despite a five-game losing streak in 2009 and a four-game losing streak in 2013. He has never coached a losing team.
But it will be harder to defend Tomlin if this team is the first. The Steelers would have missed the playoffs for the third time in four years last season if not for a little help from the Buffalo Bills against the New York Jets on the final Sunday. They have won just one playoff game since the 2010 season — in Cincinnati last season when the Bengals self-destructed. It doesn’t seem good enough for an organization with a franchise quarterback.
No one disputes that it’s hard to win in the NFL. Look at Green Bay. The Packers, who have made the postseason every year since beating the Steelers in Super Bowl XLV after the 2010 season, are 4-5 this season after a blowout loss Sunday to Tennessee and are 9-12 in their past 21 games, including the playoffs. Coach Mike McCarthy has been under such fire that he felt the need to defend himself Monday. “Let’s just state the facts: I’m a highly successful NFL coach.”
We’ll see if Tomlin says something similar when he meets the media today. He might not think it’s necessary because he works for the Rooneys, the most patient owners in sports. But Tomlin is a smart man. He has to know the harsh truth: Even the most supportive owners can run out of patience.
By Ron Cook / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Fire Tomlin!
Fire Colbert!
Would you agree those are the popular sentiments around town?
For the first time, I understand it. I don’t agree with it just yet. But I get it.
It’s not so much that the Steelers lost to the Dallas Cowboys Sunday night, their fourth consecutive loss. An alleged Super Bowl contender, they are 4-5 with four of the next five games on the road, where they are 1-3 and have played their worst football.
More troubling was Mike Tomlin’s first comments after the loss:
“For us, just not enough discipline and detail in our play to be victorious.”
Who is responsible for that if not Tomlin?
Then, there was Cam Heyward’s assessment after the defense blew two late leads by allowing two long touchdown runs by the Cowboys’ Ezekiel Elliott:
“I don’t know if it’s a lack of understanding. Everybody’s got to do their job. Giving up runs for the last two scores when we’re in a good defensive call …
“Lack of execution. We didn’t get off blocks. We didn’t close the gap. Guys weren’t in the gap. When you do that versus good teams, that’s what happens.”
Who is responsible for making that right if not Tomlin, defensive coordinator Keith Butler and the other defensive coaches?
Maybe most telling was Ben Roethlisberger’s observation:
“We are undisciplined and not accountable.”
Who is responsible for that if not Tomlin?
Tomlin knows the answers to the questions. I’ve never seen him as down after a regular-season loss as he was Sunday night. Not angry. Not so much frustrated. Just down, seemingly beaten, a man without answers.
Tomlin has only himself to blame. He has created a monster of an undisciplined team, in large part, with the way he has treated, arguably, his best player, Antonio Brown. He has allowed Brown to take silly, unnecessary celebration penalties even if he knows they hurt the team. He has turned defiant when asked about it, citing Brown’s fabulous ability and amazing work ethic. “What do you want me to do? Not play him?”
Brown has gotten away with more than just celebration penalties this season. He often runs the wrong patterns. He jogged back to the line of scrimmage in the Miami game when the offense was trying to run its 2-minute offense, presumably because he wasn’t happy with the number of throws coming his way. He gave up at the end of the Dallas game, running out of bounds at the Cowboys’ 20 as time ran out instead of getting to the middle of the field and trying to find a miracle with a series of laterals, presumably to keep his stats padded.
And Tomlin wonders why discipline is a problem?
It’s easy to blame the defense’s struggles on a lack of detail, but it surely didn’t look as if the coaching staff was on its details Sunday night. Too often, packages were sent in late from the sideline, forcing the defense to rush to get settled. It might not have been complete chaos, but it was close at times.
“Is it players? Is it coaches? I don’t know, but we need to get there quick,” Roethlisberger said when asked specifically about the lack of discipline, accountability and focus.
Better players would help. The Cowboys clearly had better personnel. That’s where Kevin Colbert comes in. He puts together the Steelers with significant input from Tomlin.
The Steelers aren’t good enough, at least defensively.
Part of the reason has been injuries. Bud Dupree has missed all of this season, although he could play Sunday at Cleveland. Senquez Golson has missed two consecutive seasons. Now, Heyward has a pectoral muscle injury that limited his effectiveness against the Cowboys and might be serious. The Steelers can’t stop the run without him.
But every team has injuries. Tomlin and Colbert just flat out missed on Jarvis Jones. Ryan Shazier often has been hurt but hasn’t done what’s expected when he’s been on the field. If Dupree can’t come back and be an impact player and Artie Burns and Sean Davis don’t develop …
How will the defense get better?
This might be Tomlin’s biggest challenge in his 10 seasons as coach. He has never lost a team despite a five-game losing streak in 2009 and a four-game losing streak in 2013. He has never coached a losing team.
But it will be harder to defend Tomlin if this team is the first. The Steelers would have missed the playoffs for the third time in four years last season if not for a little help from the Buffalo Bills against the New York Jets on the final Sunday. They have won just one playoff game since the 2010 season — in Cincinnati last season when the Bengals self-destructed. It doesn’t seem good enough for an organization with a franchise quarterback.
No one disputes that it’s hard to win in the NFL. Look at Green Bay. The Packers, who have made the postseason every year since beating the Steelers in Super Bowl XLV after the 2010 season, are 4-5 this season after a blowout loss Sunday to Tennessee and are 9-12 in their past 21 games, including the playoffs. Coach Mike McCarthy has been under such fire that he felt the need to defend himself Monday. “Let’s just state the facts: I’m a highly successful NFL coach.”
We’ll see if Tomlin says something similar when he meets the media today. He might not think it’s necessary because he works for the Rooneys, the most patient owners in sports. But Tomlin is a smart man. He has to know the harsh truth: Even the most supportive owners can run out of patience.
Seems like a little guarded damage control from Ron Cook.
Tomlin's seat should be red-hot. This is Yr 6 since without advancing even to the AFCC, and the one playoff win in that time was gifted to them.
Tomlin's seat should be red-hot. This is Yr 6 since without advancing even to the AFCC, and the one playoff win in that time was gifted to them.
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Butler and The Baby Shit Defense are terrible.
Tomlin is a numbskull.
I would not be surprised if they lose to Cleveland Sunday.
The NFL is corrupt and fucking awful to watch.
Many of the posters on this board are so stupid it hurts.
#GoFor2
Tomlin is a numbskull.
I would not be surprised if they lose to Cleveland Sunday.
The NFL is corrupt and fucking awful to watch.
Many of the posters on this board are so stupid it hurts.
#GoFor2
Heyward is hurt now? Didn't he finish the game and don't think Tomlin mentioned him?
That would suck. Not sure it matters, but would rather him be out there.
That would suck. Not sure it matters, but would rather him be out there.
COR-TEN wrote:Tomlin's not losing his job. He has a coaching philosophy, which extends to season long strategy, personnel development, game planning and game management.
The Rooney's seem to agree with it because the fan base has been complaining about the same shit since he arrived.
I agree with your first sentence. When the Rooneys pick you as coach, you're there for life whether you suck or not.
Actually the fan base is complaining about different shit now like only one playoff win since the loss in XLV, and that win was gift-wrapped by Burfict and PacMan.
#NoMoTomlin
steelmann58 wrote:fuck until the fans stop showing up this motherfucker will not be fired
They will stop showing up. As great as some people hold Steeler Nation, if the team keeps walking out a piece of shit, frustrating, shitty product on the field, you'll start seeing a lot of empty seats. It's happened before and it will happen again.
My wife hinted that she might get us tickets for my Christmas presents. I flat out told her to save her money. It's not worth the 3 hour drive, freezing weather, and suffering through a game watching this shit.
It will still be considered a "sell out" though.
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Kodiak wrote:Seems like a little guarded damage control from Ron Cook.
Tomlin's seat should be red-hot. This is Yr 6 since without advancing even to the AFCC, and the one playoff win in that time was gifted to them.
People also forget that it took a confluence of events to EVEN MAKE THE PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR
Only surprising things to me were the two little bits on Antonio Brown.
Never heard that he often runs the wrong patterns. WTF? Is this true?
Since I only heard the Miami game on the radio (was not home to watch it), I didn't know he was jogging back to the LOS during the two minute drill.
I did know he was kind of Tomlin's pet...pretty much able to get away with anything.
Never heard that he often runs the wrong patterns. WTF? Is this true?
Since I only heard the Miami game on the radio (was not home to watch it), I didn't know he was jogging back to the LOS during the two minute drill.
I did know he was kind of Tomlin's pet...pretty much able to get away with anything.
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On showtime's inside the nfl, they had Tomlin miked up for a highlight reel. I think it was Coates drop of the td pass against the ravens, where tomlin asked him to come to him from the endzone - he wanted to talk, coach, whatever. Coates walked toward him when Tomlin said "quickly." Coates refused and continued to saunter over to him. I always thought that when the coach says run, you run. It doesn't surprise me he only saw 2 snaps against the cowboys.Jeemie wrote:Only surprising things to me were the two little bits on Antonio Brown.
Never heard that he often runs the wrong patterns. WTF? Is this true?
Since I only heard the Miami game on the radio (was not home to watch it), I didn't know he was jogging back to the LOS during the two minute drill.
I did know he was kind of Tomlin's pet...pretty much able to get away with anything.
I don't generally have an opinion on Tomlin, as there are too many moving parts to blame just one guy, but hearing this business about AB, and the clip I saw with Coates, I'd say Tomlin has lost control of this team.
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
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Jeemie wrote:
I did know he was kind of Tomlin's pet...pretty much able to get away with anything.
Well throwing it to AB in the final secs so he gets a personal record, kinda sums it up
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COR-TEN wrote:On showtime's inside the nfl, they had Tomlin miked up for a highlight reel. I think it was Coates drop of the td pass against the ravens, where tomlin asked him to come to him from the endzone - he wanted to talk, coach, whatever. Coates walked toward him when Tomlin said "quickly." Coates refused and continued to saunter over to him. I always thought that when the coach says run, you run. It doesn't surprise me he only saw 2 snaps against the cowboys.Jeemie wrote:Only surprising things to me were the two little bits on Antonio Brown.
Never heard that he often runs the wrong patterns. WTF? Is this true?
Since I only heard the Miami game on the radio (was not home to watch it), I didn't know he was jogging back to the LOS during the two minute drill.
I did know he was kind of Tomlin's pet...pretty much able to get away with anything.
I don't generally have an opinion on Tomlin, as there are too many moving parts to blame just one guy, but hearing this business about AB, and the clip I saw with Coates, I'd say Tomlin has lost control of this team.
When a coach says run you absolutely run. This is telling to me too. And I don't think it's totally Tomlin's fault. I think we have a bunch of guys on this team that simply do not give a shit.
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Jeemie wrote:Only surprising things to me were the two little bits on Antonio Brown.
Never heard that he often runs the wrong patterns. WTF? Is this true?
Since I only heard the Miami game on the radio (was not home to watch it), I didn't know he was jogging back to the LOS during the two minute drill.
I did know he was kind of Tomlin's pet...pretty much able to get away with anything.
Jeems, those were the 2 bits that caught my attention as well. Not a good situation at all.
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Orangesteel wrote:COR-TEN wrote:On showtime's inside the nfl, they had Tomlin miked up for a highlight reel. I think it was Coates drop of the td pass against the ravens, where tomlin asked him to come to him from the endzone - he wanted to talk, coach, whatever. Coates walked toward him when Tomlin said "quickly." Coates refused and continued to saunter over to him. I always thought that when the coach says run, you run. It doesn't surprise me he only saw 2 snaps against the cowboys.Jeemie wrote:Only surprising things to me were the two little bits on Antonio Brown.
Never heard that he often runs the wrong patterns. WTF? Is this true?
Since I only heard the Miami game on the radio (was not home to watch it), I didn't know he was jogging back to the LOS during the two minute drill.
I did know he was kind of Tomlin's pet...pretty much able to get away with anything.
I don't generally have an opinion on Tomlin, as there are too many moving parts to blame just one guy, but hearing this business about AB, and the clip I saw with Coates, I'd say Tomlin has lost control of this team.
When a coach says run you absolutely run. This is telling to me too. And I don't think it's totally Tomlin's fault. I think we have a bunch of guys on this team that simply do not give a shit.
Who keeps guys around that don't give a shit?
Or they don't respect Tomlin's authority?Orangesteel wrote:When a coach says run you absolutely run. This is telling to me too. And I don't think it's totally Tomlin's fault. I think we have a bunch of guys on this team that simply do not give a shit.
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Cooke article shows what we fear
Locker room issues
Respect issues
He created the coddle philosophy ...and now he must sleep in that bed
Locker room issues
Respect issues
He created the coddle philosophy ...and now he must sleep in that bed
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""I can do what I want. It's America,""
Antonio Brown, last month when asked about getting penalized for dancing in the end zone.
I think that pretty much sums up Tomlin's control over the team.
Antonio Brown, last month when asked about getting penalized for dancing in the end zone.
I think that pretty much sums up Tomlin's control over the team.
I was wondering about AB running out of bounds on that last play.
I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say he was just padding his stats, but maybe he's just not football smart and/or had given up on winning that game.
Because it didn't look like they had anything set-up on that play then one blocker in front of AB.
Remember the game we lost a year or two ago when he had the winning TD but stepped out of bounds (still not sure if he really could have stopped his momentum carrying him out there).
But it should surprise no one that the players of a football dumb coach are football dumb.
I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say he was just padding his stats, but maybe he's just not football smart and/or had given up on winning that game.
Because it didn't look like they had anything set-up on that play then one blocker in front of AB.
Remember the game we lost a year or two ago when he had the winning TD but stepped out of bounds (still not sure if he really could have stopped his momentum carrying him out there).
But it should surprise no one that the players of a football dumb coach are football dumb.
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