The Pass Rush

[franco32]

I'm usually a fairly optimistic poster. But, I've seen enough of this defense this year to know better than to get too excited. Yes, Burns and Davis should be getting better with experience and Dupree "should" help, but I can't get over the complete and utter failures of the D throughout 10 games.

1. We let a rookie Wentz slice and dice us all day with play action and misdirections with no clue how to stop it.
2. We let Miami beat the snot out of us in the run game. The holes were so large I could have run through them.
3. Our red zone defense vs New England was an abortion. Whether it was the epic failure on the screen pass TD, allowing Blount to ram it down our throats, or the easy pitch and catch to Gronk, the D was terrible in the "bend but don't break" department.
4. We allowed a 95 yard TD to Mike Fckin Wallace against the Ravens
5. Finally, we have the Dallas debacle where we give up an easy TD with a couple min left, and then we can't hold a lead with 42 seconds left and part like the red sea for Elliot.

I'm not going to be fooled by 8 sacks against Cleveland. They were almost all schemed and coverage sacks. We still are not beating guys one-on-one in the pass rush. Until that happens, we will continue to suffer. Look, we all know Jarvis Jones is terrible....almost Huey Richarson bad. But, Timmons is not an OLB. Just because he could beat a RB on a blitz yesterday does not mean he's going to beat LTs of this league.

The key to us having a DECENT defense come down to Burns, Hargrave, Chickillo, and Davis growing up, Tuitt playing out of his mind, and Dupree actually doing something other than collecting paychecks for nothing.

[steelmann58]

until that sack and td recovery I was worried as all hell

[Legacy User]

Another idea could be to switch Timmons and jervis. I've seen it mentioned here before. Jones can play in his more natural position as a MLB/ILB and Timmons can play his more natural position OLB. That said, it was only one game of evidence so this idea could be nothing more than wishful thinking. (Grasping at straws)

Jones' most natural position is riding the bench. He's too slow to be an ILB. He's too slow to be an OLB. He's too weak to play strong safety. Hell, Ziggy, Tuitt and Cam are all faster than Jones.

seriously. Fucking Colbert's head was so far up his own ass on that draft pick, jesus h christ, WTF did he not watch Jones? Did he just see the stats and think "oh wow he must be good"

[franco32]

Another idea could be to switch Timmons and jervis. I've seen it mentioned here before. Jones can play in his more natural position as a MLB/ILB and Timmons can play his more natural position OLB. That said, it was only one game of evidence so this idea could be nothing more than wishful thinking. (Grasping at straws)

Jones' most natural position is riding the bench. He's too slow to be an ILB. He's too slow to be an OLB. He's too weak to play strong safety. Hell, Ziggy, Tuitt and Cam are all faster than Jones.

seriously. Fucking Colbert's head was so far up his own ass on that draft pick, jesus h christ, WTF did he not watch Jones? Did he just see the stats and think "oh wow he must be good"

I confess that I was one who kept trying to give Jones the benefit of the doubt early on. But, he actually seems to be getting WORSE not better. He is so slow to the edge that tackles are sometimes just punching him and having him fly out of the picture. Not only is he slow, but he has no change of direction...AT ALL. He's pretty bad no matter where you put him on D. With Dupree back, maybe he can fall to 5th on the OLB depth chart. That would help the defense a lot.

Oh and by the way....I don't just think Jones is athletically limited....I actually think he is lazy. 4 years into his career and his body still looks like shit. No lean muscle mass, twig arms, etc. Harrison must want to puke when they are in the gym together.

[Legacy User]

And fuck Tomlin for going for 2 today after the first TD!

That's the stubborn in him .....way of showing everyone he was right last week.
Even if he screwed it up.
Blow the first one.
Kick the extra point after the second TD and get up by ten...13-3
And back to a normal football score.

Am I the only one who remembers this?

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said Tuesday he hopes the team eschews extra points entirely in 2016 in favor of two-point conversions.

"Why not?" Roethlisberger said, per Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com. "Put it in our hands. I want the ball. Any player would relish that opportunity."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2646 ... r-every-td

Ben isn't Tomlin's sock puppet apparently....

[Legacy User]

I realize it was the Browns but, the D did what it should have done considering the absence of Heyward. They played a solid game.

Would it be crazy to start Timmons & Deebo on the outside with Chicky & Dupree in some kind of rotation? Or any combination of those 4, with VW& Shaz in the middle.

94 was drafted as an OLB and from what I saw today he looked like the best pass rusher on the team. Should also note that he's not as good in coverege as he once was.

BTW I hate the OLB rotation because I think the pass rush is a tempo/rhythm thing. This bullshit rotation simply fucks things up IMO because guys can't get into a rhythm.

Gotta give it to Coach Butthole, he finally went after an inexperienced QB and it worked! Minus all the dropped INT's the Steelers D looked like a Steeler defense. And fuck Tomlin for going for 2 today after the first TD!

They've been lining up Shazier quite a bit on the outside in the past few games. To me he is the guy you'd consider for a switch to the outside before LT. Of course putting him closer to edge of the line of scrimmage pretty much guarantees that he will be blocked, as this is his weakness at ILB, but speedwise, he is more capable than LT.

I realize this and he hasn't had the same results that Timmons had yesterday. Timmons is bigger, stronger and obviously has a good bull rush making him a better match up against running backs and O-linemen alike. He also has not been good at dropping back into coverage, that is why I think it could work. LT was coming off the edge like a man possessed. I remember when he had to play outside due to injury. However, I think he is a more refined player now and might be able to adjust to a new position. I'm NOT saying the Steelers have to do this but, it looked good yesterday.

Frankly I don't think moving either of them outside is the way to go.

The fact that we are discussing this at all is an indication that the front office of this franchise has failed miserably.