Mike Tomlin Saved the Game

[Orangesteel]

10.1 YPA from the QB position saved the game.

The offense was dogshit with the game plan from the minds of Tomlin/Fitchner and we got in a hole down by 10, they were forced to open it up.

Agreed and I keep asking; why are they continually like this? Fitchner has 7 days to prepare and the first two series featured several run plays up the asses of our O line.

At this point, I’m thinking Tomlin gives a lot of deference to Rustbelt, and Rustbelt simply likes to start games by seeing if we can rip off some runs and first downs. The issue is, every damn team has sniffed this out, which is why we still look so poor at the start of games.

These next few games, this is not the right approach to take. At the very least, we’ve shown 12 weeks of dull starts; he needs to come out throwing the ball to build a lead. We are in must win situations here, and being down two scores is not the way you win games, even with this top defense.

Cards were embarrassed yesterday and will look to bounce back. I see BAL winning in Buffalo; so the Sunday night game against Buffalo is massive.

[Steelperch]

Which begs the question, where the fuck is Keith Butler? I’m wondering if Tomlin took over the DC and put Butler back as a LB coach.

[Professor Half Wit]

Which begs the question, where the fuck is Keith Butler? I’m wondering if Tomlin took over the DC and put Butler back as a LB coach.

I'm ready for Tomlin to take over as OC put Randy back as QB coach.

[Steelperch]

Agreed and I keep asking; why are they continually like this? Fitchner has 7 days to prepare and the first two series featured several run plays up the asses of our O line.

Steelers Opening Drives this year have netted -4 points and 4 turnovers. Every drive lacks imagination and they come out with very predictable runs up the gut which puts them behind on down and distance.

NE - Punt
SEA - Punt
SF - FG (off of defensive turnover in scoring range)
CIN - Fumble
BAL - Punt
LAC - Punt
MIA - INT
IND - INT
LAR - Fumble (TD)
CLE - Punt
CIN - Punt
CLE - Punt

[Orangesteel]

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[SteelPowerful]

Big Ben is indirectly the reason this offense is going nowhere. Once he is gone, his influence over who is hired here will be gone. Until then, this offense cannot operate without him. This team has relied on his athleticism and the athleticism of others for quite some time.

The offense was also like this under Haley as it relied too much on individual talents. Ben's rough time with Haley probably assured Fichtner was getting the job. I do not think Fichtner is all that bad however. Most of the damn fans on this site expect him to make a gourmet dish out of shit ingredients.

Only Steeler fans expect the offense to operate on an elite level after losing a franchise QB, a top three WR, an elite Rb, and the run game coordinator. Shut the fuck up already.

[jeemie]

Big Ben is indirectly the reason this offense is going nowhere. Once he is gone, his influence over who is hired here will be gone. Until then, this offense cannot operate without him. This team has relied on his athleticism and the athleticism of others for quite some time.

The offense was also like this under Haley as it relied too much on individual talents. Ben's rough time with Haley probably assured Fichtner was getting the job. I do not think Fichtner is all that bad however. Most of the damn fans on this site expect him to make a gourmet dish out of shit ingredients.

Only Steeler fans expect the offense to operate on an elite level after losing a franchise QB, a top three WR, an elite Rb, and the run game coordinator. Shut the fuck up already.

Again- speaking of biases and misconceptions.

Name one person on this site who's said they expect the Steelers' offense to operate on an elite level right now.

The answer is there are zero people who expect that.

But the way the defense is playing, elite level isn't needed...just better.

Scheme won't turn Duck Hodges or Mason Rudolph into Dan Marino, Diontae Johnson into Jerry Rice, and Benny Snell into Emmitt Smith.

Scheme might make them all a little bit better.

[955876]

Only Steeler fans expect the offense to operate on an elite level after losing a franchise QB, a top three WR, an elite Rb, and the run game coordinator. Shut the fuck up already.

So the only options in your mind are to either operate at an elite level or remain woefully inept? There is no level in between?

Talk about simplistic and extremely narrow minded thinking.

Are you actually going to make the claim the only possible plays that we can open a game with are unimaginative plunges up the gut?

[Orangesteel]

Big Ben is indirectly the reason this offense is going nowhere. Once he is gone, his influence over who is hired here will be gone. Until then, this offense cannot operate without him. This team has relied on his athleticism and the athleticism of others for quite some time.

The offense was also like this under Haley as it relied too much on individual talents. Ben's rough time with Haley probably assured Fichtner was getting the job. I do not think Fichtner is all that bad however. Most of the damn fans on this site expect him to make a gourmet dish out of shit ingredients.

Only Steeler fans expect the offense to operate on an elite level after losing a franchise QB, a top three WR, an elite Rb, and the run game coordinator. Shut the fuck up already.

Riiiiiiiight.

As 95’ said, nothing in between operating at an elite level and netting -4 points and 4 turnovers on our opening drives this year.

Nothing at all.

[Jobu]

Which begs the question, where the fuck is Keith Butler? I’m wondering if Tomlin took over the DC and put Butler back as a LB coach.

I'm ready for Tomlin to take over as OC put Randy back as QB coach.

Fichtner already is QB coach.

[Professor Half Wit]

Big Ben is indirectly the reason this offense is going nowhere. Once he is gone, his influence over who is hired here will be gone. Until then, this offense cannot operate without him. This team has relied on his athleticism and the athleticism of others for quite some time.

The offense was also like this under Haley as it relied too much on individual talents. Ben's rough time with Haley probably assured Fichtner was getting the job. I do not think Fichtner is all that bad however. Most of the damn fans on this site expect him to make a gourmet dish out of shit ingredients.

Only Steeler fans expect the offense to operate on an elite level after losing a franchise QB, a top three WR, an elite Rb, and the run game coordinator. Shut the fuck up already.

Just because your view avoids extremism does not make you right. Fichtner, without Ben, looks totally lost.

Do I realize that Fichtner is dealing with limited talent? Absolutely. Can I tell the difference between the moronic play calling that preceded Duck going bombs away and the play calling that came after it? Yes. Yes I can. No one with a working brain expects the offense to be elite. Maybe not even above average. What many do expect is that the Steelers let the QBs go down swinging by running an actual NFL offense. You know, the kind that won the game in Cleveland.

[Jobu]

10.1 YPA from the QB position saved the game.

The offense was dogshit with the game plan from the minds of Tomlin/Fitchner and we got in a hole down by 10, they were forced to open it up.

Agreed and I keep asking; why are they continually like this? Fitchner has 7 days to prepare and the first two series featured several run plays up the asses of our O line.

At this point, I’m thinking Tomlin gives a lot of deference to Rustbelt, and Rustbelt simply likes to start games by seeing if we can rip off some runs and first downs. The issue is, every damn team has sniffed this out, which is why we still look so poor at the start of games.

These next few games, this is not the right approach to take. At the very least, we’ve shown 12 weeks of dull starts; he needs to come out throwing the ball to build a lead. We are in must win situations here, and being down two scores is not the way you win games, even with this top defense.

Cards were embarrassed yesterday and will look to bounce back. I see BAL winning in Buffalo; so the Sunday night game against Buffalo is massive.

Understand that this isn’t the offense to protect Hodges, or Rudolph...this is simply the offense. This is what Tomlin wants and what A2 wants. They have run this style of offense no matter the QB ,Ben, Landry, Rudolph, Hodges, Dobbs, etc... And no matter the OC Fichtner, Haley.
How many times does Tomlin need to tell us that he wants to ease in, control the clock, play an attrition game, keep it close and win it in the 4th quarter, before we realize this is all by design. This is Tomlin’s game.

[Professor Half Wit]

Which begs the question, where the fuck is Keith Butler? I’m wondering if Tomlin took over the DC and put Butler back as a LB coach.

I'm ready for Tomlin to take over as OC put Randy back as QB coach.

Fichtner already is QB coach.

I stand by my dumb post.

[COR-TEN]

10.1 YPA from the QB position saved the game.

The offense was dogshit with the game plan from the minds of Tomlin/Fitchner and we got in a hole down by 10, they were forced to open it up.

Agreed and I keep asking; why are they continually like this? Fitchner has 7 days to prepare and the first two series featured several run plays up the asses of our O line.

At this point, I’m thinking Tomlin gives a lot of deference to Rustbelt, and Rustbelt simply likes to start games by seeing if we can rip off some runs and first downs. The issue is, every damn team has sniffed this out, which is why we still look so poor at the start of games.

These next few games, this is not the right approach to take. At the very least, we’ve shown 12 weeks of dull starts; he needs to come out throwing the ball to build a lead. We are in must win situations here, and being down two scores is not the way you win games, even with this top defense.

Cards were embarrassed yesterday and will look to bounce back. I see BAL winning in Buffalo; so the Sunday night game against Buffalo is massive.

Understand that this isn’t the offense to protect Hodges, or Rudolph...this is simply the offense. This is what Tomlin wants and what A2 wants. They have run this style of offense no matter the QB ,Ben, Landry, Rudolph, Hodges, Dobbs, etc... And no matter the OC Fichtner, Haley.
How many times does Tomlin need to tell us that he wants to ease in, control the clock, play an attrition game, keep it close and win it in the 4th quarter, before we realize this is all by design. This is Tomlin’s game.

Bill Walsh scripted the first 15 plays. No matter what. Even if they weren't successful and it took four possessions to get through them. IIRC.

I can understand "easing" into the game for a short bit, match the energy level, see what the defense shows, etc. I generally don't freak out for the first two or three series. But it (running up the gut/ lack of creativity or surprise/ not throwing down the middle of the field) usually lasts a lot longer than I'm personally comfortable with as a fan. It also depends on what the overall game plan is. Getting out to a fast start is what fans want, but with the kind of defense the steelers are playing lately, maybe that's not such a priority with certain teams? A fast start would be prudent with teams with powerhouse offenses since your D might not be able to contain. My two bit, armchair analysis. . .

[SteelPowerful]

So you expect Fichtner to run an imaginative offense with guys literally just pulled off the street?

The OC is running the damn wildcat already what do you want?

This team has actually been winning games with this conservative approach. You get "imaginative" with this group and it will lead to mistakes. The Steelers have already turned the ball over a hell of a lot. with simple shit and you want "imaginative"? You people are fucking hilarious.

[Jizz Mop]

So you expect Fichtner to run an imaginative offense with guys literally just pulled off the street?

The OC is running the damn wildcat already what do you want?

This team has actually been winning games with this conservative approach. You get "imaginative" with this group and it will lead to mistakes. The Steelers have already turned the ball over a hell of a lot. with simple shit and you want "imaginative"? You people are fucking hilarious.

I enjoyed the back to back designed running plays for Duck in that goal to goal situation.

Brilliant

[SteelPowerful]

95 is an expert at creating straw men and grossly misrepresenting the views of others.

And to watch other posters follow his lead.

Damn.....

[Professor Half Wit]

So you expect Fichtner to run an imaginative offense with guys literally just pulled off the street?

The OC is running the damn wildcat already what do you want?

This team has actually been winning games with this conservative approach. You get "imaginative" with this group and it will lead to mistakes. The Steelers have already turned the ball over a hell of a lot. with simple shit and you want "imaginative"? You people are fucking hilarious.

I liked the offense that had Duck throw the ball downfield. Was that "imaginative" or just a real NFL-level offense? Now, maybe that offense is the exact same they have been running and Mason really does just suck that bad. I can tell you one thing: I sure as hell do not want the wild cat.

[bradshaw2ben]

I'll be truly impressed if the Steelers beat the Cardinals next week. The Tomlin-era Steelers have a horrible habit of losing to bad NFC teams on the road. This season depends on the Steelers overcoming that tendency.

Under Tomlin, Steelers 6-4 vs losing record teams in NFC on road.

In full disclosure, a couple of those losses were in years where the Steelers weren't very good and one of them was to Philly in week 3, who started off hot and then faded.

That said, AZ is a good enough team that you can't just show up and expect to win.

[jeemie]

So you expect Fichtner to run an imaginative offense with guys literally just pulled off the street?

The OC is running the damn wildcat already what do you want?

This team has actually been winning games with this conservative approach. You get "imaginative" with this group and it will lead to mistakes. The Steelers have already turned the ball over a hell of a lot. with simple shit and you want "imaginative"? You people are fucking hilarious.

"Being imaginative" is not the same as going hog wild.

Simply not running on every first down play and most second down plays would be a step in the right direction.

Will come in handy those games the defense isn't there with three takeaways.

[955876]

95 is an expert at creating straw men and grossly misrepresenting the views of others.

And to watch other posters follow his lead.

Damn.....

And what straw man did I create. Do elaborate.

What view did I misrepresent? Do elaborate? Was it because I slipped in the word “cannon” while correctly pointing out to you that if you are going to criticize Hodges for having a pop-gun arm you must also do the same for Rudolph.

So you expect Fichtner to run an imaginative offense with guys literally just pulled off the street?

His top 3 WRs were drafted in rounds 2, 2, and 3.

His TE’s are both veterans.

His RBs were drafted in rounds 3, 4, and 5.

His QB was a 3rd rounder they supposedly had a 1st round grade on.

Who was pulled off the street other than Duck? And he’s only playing because that 3rd rounder was regressing mightily.

We had to pull a couple of WRs recently due to JuJu injury lingering and Switz going to IR.

And they put themselves in that situation by keeping a stiff line Switz to begin with. Either way, we have two WRs that were drafted in the higher rounds.

So stop whining about poor Sphincter not having any tools.

Other OCs put rookies, late round picks, and undrafted players on the field too.

[ToddHaleysNineIron]

Big Ben is indirectly the reason this offense is going nowhere. Once he is gone, his influence over who is hired here will be gone. Until then, this offense cannot operate without him. This team has relied on his athleticism and the athleticism of others for quite some time.

The offense was also like this under Haley as it relied too much on individual talents. Ben's rough time with Haley probably assured Fichtner was getting the job. I do not think Fichtner is all that bad however. Most of the damn fans on this site expect him to make a gourmet dish out of shit ingredients.

Only Steeler fans expect the offense to operate on an elite level after losing a franchise QB, a top three WR, an elite Rb, and the run game coordinator. Shut the fuck up already.

Riiiiiiiight.

As 95’ said, nothing in between operating at an elite level and netting -4 points and 4 turnovers on our opening drives this year.

Nothing at all.

I mean, you look at the skill positions on paper from this past week or even the past 3 games....

I'm not sure I'd expect much more than -4 points and 4 turnovers.

This offense is bad because the skill positions involve a 4th string QB, some practice squad/ young WR, and a few backup RB.

I don't think Fitchner's adjusted well enough to putting what he does have in a position to succeed, but nobody should expect anything out of that offensive lineup.

The reality of the situation is this team on paper is very far from a playoff team.. and yet here they are in the thick of it.

[Jobu]

The wildcat is imaginative???

[LakecrestSteeler]

You fools on this board!

Do you not realize Randy was abused with a rusty belt, cigarette burns, and a lead pipe by Mason?

After that abuse you expect him to open up the playbook to Duck?
Hell no!

Randy(Will Hunting) needs Tomlin(Dr. Sean Maguire) to hug him and tell him that it was not his fault....Randy the abuse was not your fault....Randy you aren’t hearing me, the abuse was not your fault!

Only then will Duck get the full powers of the playbook!

[El Kabong]

https://www.12up.com/posts/steelers-pla ... dv21kcgjaa

Heading into halftime, the score was tied up at 10-10. Evidently, Tomlin wasn't too happy about that. According to a couple of Steelers defenders, Tomlin made a couple of key adjustments and drew up some new defensive schemes to shake things up.

Spoke to Steeler players about Mike Tomlin. Players on defense pointed to the adjustments made at half. They said he “straight up went high school football coach and drew up how they were going to defend Cleveland “ since they Browns showing a different look. “He saved the game”

El Kabong couldn't wait to tell us the Tomlin did his job...ya know, adjusting at halftime...wait, aren't all coaches supposed to come up with a game plan at the start of the second half based on what they saw in the first half?

As I indicated, there are those who've questioned whether Tomlin does anything at all on this team. Also, there have been those who've questioned whether he ever makes half time adjustments, so it seems appropriate to show that yes, Tomlin does do things and he does make halftime adjustments.

As for all of the "isn't that what he's paid for?" sentiments, do you cheer during the games? Why? Isn't everyone just doing what they're paid to do?

Duck just threw a nice pass! Meh. He's paid to do that.
Washington with a nice catch! Meh. He's paid to do that.
Watt with a nice sack! Meh. He's paid to do that.

Someone doing their job well is notable.

[El Kabong]

Dumblin is coaching with zero pressure.

We have a third string QB and back ups at virtually every skill position.

Dumblin looks like a genius.

What happened last year when we had expectations?

Had a healthy Roethlisberger ? A healthy MC Hammer Jr and a healthy JuJu?

THE SEASON FELL APART and Dumblin stood there, like usual, with his thumb up his ass.

He's a twat.

My OP wasn't about last year, but you can feel free to start a thread on last year if you want.

[Texas Black & Gold]

Dumblin is coaching with zero pressure.

We have a third string QB and back ups at virtually every skill position.

Dumblin looks like a genius.

What happened last year when we had expectations?

Had a healthy Roethlisberger ? A healthy MC Hammer Jr and a healthy JuJu?

THE SEASON FELL APART and Dumblin stood there, like usual, with his thumb up his ass.

He's a twat.

Last year is over with.

Tomlin's Steelers have moved on and are making a run this year.

Here We Go Steelers!

[LakecrestSteeler]

This is the most positive Tomlin thread I have ever read on Steeler Fury!

[Jobu]

This is the most positive Tomlin thread I have ever read on Steeler Fury!

Don’t get used to it.

[K_C_]

Dumblin is coaching with zero pressure.

We have a third string QB and back ups at virtually every skill position.

Dumblin looks like a genius.

What happened last year when we had expectations?

Had a healthy Roethlisberger ? A healthy MC Hammer Jr and a healthy JuJu?

THE SEASON FELL APART and Dumblin stood there, like usual, with his thumb up his ass.

He's a twat.

Last year is over with.

Tomlin's Steelers have moved on and are making a run this year.

Here We Go Steelers!

Making a run at what?

If you think we're making a run at a deep playoff run or Super Bowl.....get help.

We're a nice story. Nothing more. Dumblin has zero pressure on him because this team is too limited to make a deep run.

Nobody is happier about that than Dumblin.