It might be time to get Coates involved again.

[Legacy User]

The Ben that I know and watched early in the year was able to place the ball with more accuracy.

Disagree. He was lighting it up most home games.

[bradshaw2ben]

The Ben that I know and watched early in the year was able to place the ball with more accuracy.

Disagree. He was lighting it up most home games.

um, Washington?

[Legacy User]

The Ben that I know and watched early in the year was able to place the ball with more accuracy.

Disagree. He was lighting it up most home games.

um, Washington?

Most home games and like two road games.

[K_C_]

I don't think Ben's shoulder is injured.

I do think I see a way some people are going to blame Mike Tomlin if Ben doesn't have a good game Sunday night.

God forbid the head coach accept any responsibility for a loss or for Ben not playing well.

Especially Saint Mike.

Oh and explain to me, if Roethlisberger doesn't have a shoulder injury (or something wrong with his arm) why wouldn't he try a Hail Mary before the half?

You think it's because we had enough points?

[Legacy User]

I don't think Ben's shoulder is injured.

I do think I see a way some people are going to blame Mike Tomlin if Ben doesn't have a good game Sunday night.

God forbid the head coach accept any responsibility for a loss or for Ben not playing well.

Especially Saint Mike.

Oh and explain to me, if Roethlisberger doesn't have a shoulder injury (or something wrong with his arm) why wouldn't he try a Hail Mary before the half?

You think it's because we had enough points?

KC, tell me straight up. On this esteemed board, who is more sainted? Ben or Mike?

I see more excuses made for Ben than any player or coach.

God forbid the 100 million dollar hall of fame QB be held to very high standards.

[K_C_]

I don't think Ben's shoulder is injured.

I do think I see a way some people are going to blame Mike Tomlin if Ben doesn't have a good game Sunday night.

God forbid the head coach accept any responsibility for a loss or for Ben not playing well.

Especially Saint Mike.

Oh and explain to me, if Roethlisberger doesn't have a shoulder injury (or something wrong with his arm) why wouldn't he try a Hail Mary before the half?

You think it's because we had enough points?

KC, tell me straight up. On this esteemed board, who is more sainted? Ben or Mike?

I see more excuses made for Ben than any player or coach.

God forbid the 100 million dollar hall of fame QB be held to very high standards.

Well, Roethlisberger's FAR, FAR, FAR more important than Mike Tomlin.

That's why he's sainted.

[K_C_]

Oh, but I do like how Jeemie already has Tomlin BLAMELESS AS FUCK if things go wrong Sunday evening.

Fucking hilarious.

[Legacy User]

Well, Roethlisberger's FAR, FAR, FAR more important than Mike Tomlin.

That's why he's sainted.

And must be why people bend over backwards to attribute mediocre play to anyone but the man himself.

I know you're not making this argument, but Ben has to be better. Sure, let's say Mike and Haley, too, but Ben also by god.

God forbid the 100 million dollar hall of fame QB be held to very high standards.

[Legacy User]

Oh, but I do like how Jeemie already has Tomlin BLAMELESS AS FUCK if things go wrong Sunday evening.

Fucking hilarious.

Jeemie will have to speak for himself on that score. Not the inference I made.

[K_C_]

Well, Roethlisberger's FAR, FAR, FAR more important than Mike Tomlin.

That's why he's sainted.

And must be why people bend over backwards to attribute mediocre play to anyone but the man himself.

I know you're not making this argument, but Ben has to be better. Sure, let's say Mike and Haley, too, but Ben also by god.

God forbid the 100 million dollar hall of fame QB be held to very high standards.

I didn't think Ben was any great shakes last Sunday, but also let's not kid ourselves.

AB DROPPED a TD pass and Eli Rogers...um....I don't know what in the fuck HE did on what should have been another TD later in the game.

Those 2 fuck-ups could have turned this game into a blowout.

Now, did Ben fuck up and (likely) audible away from a Bell run, into a pick at the 5? He sure did and I wish someone would have kicked him in the nuts for doing it.

[Legacy User]

Well, Roethlisberger's FAR, FAR, FAR more important than Mike Tomlin.

That's why he's sainted.

And must be why people bend over backwards to attribute mediocre play to anyone but the man himself.

I know you're not making this argument, but Ben has to be better. Sure, let's say Mike and Haley, too, but Ben also by god.

God forbid the 100 million dollar hall of fame QB be held to very high standards.

I didn't think Ben was any great shakes last Sunday, but also let's not kid ourselves.

AB DROPPED a TD pass and Eli Rogers...um....I don't know what in the fuck HE did on what should have been another TD later in the game.

Those 2 fuck-ups could have turned this game into a blowout.

Now, did Ben fuck up and (likely) audible away from a Bell run, into a pick at the 5? He sure did and I wish someone would have kicked him in the nuts for doing it.

Did not play an awful game to be sure. AB dropped nothing, Peters made a helluva play.

Rogers? Well, if it hits your hands you expect a catch. Ben could have anticipated better and let it go sooner.

Ben was lights out between the 30s. The RZ was a disaster. You've mentioned two RZ trips, but there were other misadventures.

[K_C_]

Did not play an awful game to be sure. AB dropped nothing, Peters made a helluva play.

Rogers? Well, if it hits your hands you expect a catch. Ben could have anticipated better and let it go sooner.

Ben was lights out between the 30s. The RZ was a disaster. You've mentioned two RZ trips, but there were other misadventures.

Sure there were misadventures. KC has ONE HELLUVA DEFENSE and you make the wrong move, they'll pick six your ass.

Roethlisberger definitely struggled in the red zone, but Haley's play calling was often laughable.

I will say that if the Steelers cannot back the Pats off with (somewhat of) a deep passing game, we're gonna get our asses kicked.

If there is something wrong with Ben's arm or Coates is still fucked up physically or mentally or if the coaching staff believe that DHB or Ayers can't do something deep down the field, the Steelers are in deep shit.

I have no idea how Ben was as successful as he was vs. KC in Arrowhead without any semblance of a deep passing game.

[Legacy User]

I don't think Ben's shoulder is injured.

I do think I see a way some people are going to blame Mike Tomlin if Ben doesn't have a good game Sunday night.

I don't think his shoulder is hurt either

But I also don't think Ben played badly against KC

Our gameplan was to run the ball, and we did so successfully

Ben was competent in making his other throws. He fucked up the playcalling twice inside the 5 yardline - that was my only problem with him

We won't run the ball 30 times on NE -- Ben will need to throw, and I think he'll throw well

[Legacy User]

Did not play an awful game to be sure. AB dropped nothing, Peters made a helluva play.

Rogers? Well, if it hits your hands you expect a catch. Ben could have anticipated better and let it go sooner.

Ben was lights out between the 30s. The RZ was a disaster. You've mentioned two RZ trips, but there were other misadventures.

Sure there were misadventures. KC has ONE HELLUVA DEFENSE and you make the wrong move, they'll pick six your ass.

Roethlisberger definitely struggled in the red zone, but Haley's play calling was often laughable.

I will say that if the Steelers cannot back the Pats off with (somewhat of) a deep passing game, we're gonna get our asses kicked.

If there is something wrong with Ben's arm or Coates is still fucked up physically or mentally or if the coaching staff believe that DHB or Ayers can't do something deep down the field, the Steelers are in deep shit.

I have no idea how Ben was as successful as he was vs. KC in Arrowhead without any semblance of a deep passing game.

Because Bell and the o line.

The bolded.

You state that KCs defense is super opportunistic. Well, Haley called a small ball game to combat that. Ben executed it well between the 30s. Not so much after that. Is it Haley's fault or Ben's or both? Is Ben shitty at small ball? If so, then just force him to play small ball.

My read on Ben. He does not like to throw over the middle. God help me, I am totally willing to be wrong on that. Call me out. Ben likes to go deep and throw outside. So if you want to take him out, go cover two to prevent the long ball, make him play small ball to the outside and dare him to throw over the middle. A lot of his pics and near pics seem to me to me by linebackers sitting in the middle.

This is exactly what Cincy did in round two this year.

So it's partly Haley's fault, but maybe some of Ben's skill deficiencies play into it?

I barely know what I am talking about and surely that shows. My impressions.

[K_C_]

Did not play an awful game to be sure. AB dropped nothing, Peters made a helluva play.

Rogers? Well, if it hits your hands you expect a catch. Ben could have anticipated better and let it go sooner.

Ben was lights out between the 30s. The RZ was a disaster. You've mentioned two RZ trips, but there were other misadventures.

Sure there were misadventures. KC has ONE HELLUVA DEFENSE and you make the wrong move, they'll pick six your ass.

Roethlisberger definitely struggled in the red zone, but Haley's play calling was often laughable.

I will say that if the Steelers cannot back the Pats off with (somewhat of) a deep passing game, we're gonna get our asses kicked.

If there is something wrong with Ben's arm or Coates is still fucked up physically or mentally or if the coaching staff believe that DHB or Ayers can't do something deep down the field, the Steelers are in deep shit.

I have no idea how Ben was as successful as he was vs. KC in Arrowhead without any semblance of a deep passing game.

Because Bell and the o line.

The bolded.

You state that KCs defense is super opportunistic. Well, Haley called a small ball game to combat that. Ben executed it well between the 30s. Not so much after that. Is it Haley's fault or Ben's or both? Is Ben shitty at small ball? If so, then just force him to play small ball.

My read on Ben. He does not like to throw over the middle. God help me, I am totally willing to be wrong on that. Call me out. Ben likes to go deep and throw outside. So if you want to take him out, go cover two to prevent the long ball, make him play small ball to the outside and dare him to throw over the middle. A lot of his pics and near pics seem to me to me by linebackers sitting in the middle.

This is exactly what Cincy did in round two this year.

So it's partly Haley's fault, but maybe some of Ben's skill deficiencies play into it?

I barely know what I am talking about and surely that shows. My impressions.

I think Ben likes to throw to WIDE THE FUCK OPEN receivers over the middle (and Jesse James was wide the fuck open more than once, and Ben found him).

Ben has never been a good timing route QB. That's why (under Arians) he was so great at the sandlot shit. Running around having tacklers bounce off him until guys got open.

It's probably tougher for him now because he's less mobile than he once was but that's the type of QB he is.

He likes to throw to open receivers and often waits too long for that to happen.

[Legacy User]

One thing that Haley did not seem to do well in KC was scheme guys open for maximum RAC opportunity.

Nor was Bell much involved in the passing game.

Any way, like others have said. If AB is not stripped in the EZ and Rogers holds on, different convo.

[bradshaw2ben]

One thing that Haley did not seem to do well in KC was scheme guys open for maximum RAC opportunity.

Nor was Bell much involved in the passing game.

Any way, like others have said. If AB is not stripped in the EZ and Rogers holds on, different convo.

Defense was hanging back-- especially in red zone. I don't know if you caught any of the end zone looks when Steelers where in red zone, but D Line was in a bear front to jam up the run AND they had 7 guys jammed in coverage inside a compressed area. You have to do some stuff to get guys open in that look.

[jeemie]

I don't think Ben's shoulder is injured.

I do think I see a way some people are going to blame Mike Tomlin if Ben doesn't have a good game Sunday night.

God forbid the head coach accept any responsibility for a loss or for Ben not playing well.

Especially Saint Mike.

Oh and explain to me, if Roethlisberger doesn't have a shoulder injury (or something wrong with his arm) why wouldn't he try a Hail Mary before the half?

You think it's because we had enough points?

I think I can count on one hand the number of Hail Marys Ben has thrown in his life.

[K_C_]

I don't think Ben's shoulder is injured.

I do think I see a way some people are going to blame Mike Tomlin if Ben doesn't have a good game Sunday night.

God forbid the head coach accept any responsibility for a loss or for Ben not playing well.

Especially Saint Mike.

Oh and explain to me, if Roethlisberger doesn't have a shoulder injury (or something wrong with his arm) why wouldn't he try a Hail Mary before the half?

You think it's because we had enough points?

I think I can count on one hand the number of Hail Marys Ben has thrown in his life.

What possible dumbfuck reason would there be for not taking a 40 yard shot at the end zone to finish a half?

Aaron Rodgers probably has over a 50% completion percentage on such throws.

Not taking that shot is RETARD LEVEL.

[Donnie Brasco]

I don't think Ben's shoulder is injured.

I do think I see a way some people are going to blame Mike Tomlin if Ben doesn't have a good game Sunday night.

God forbid the head coach accept any responsibility for a loss or for Ben not playing well.

Especially Saint Mike.

Oh and explain to me, if Roethlisberger doesn't have a shoulder injury (or something wrong with his arm) why wouldn't he try a Hail Mary before the half?

You think it's because we had enough points?

I think I can count on one hand the number of Hail Marys Ben has thrown in his life.

Doesn't mean it wasn't an incorrect move because "Ben hasn't thrown those before in a game situation"

Furthermore, why have AB absorb the extra shot of 3 guys hitting him if he's not going to pitch or lateral it? That series of events was just weird

[jeemie]

Rogers? Well, if it hits your hands you expect a catch. Ben could have anticipated better and let it go sooner.

The Rogers pass fail was totally on Ben. He didn't anticipate that throw at all...there was a replay from the end zone camera behind Ben that showed it perfectly. If he anticipates Rogers breaking open and gets the ball out, it hits Eli in stride and he walks in.

Instead Ben waited until he saw Eli come open and then threw it, giving the defender enough time to get back and influence the play.

And I call bullshit that Ben can't do timing or anticipatory routes because he's done them plenty. He even did it on the clinching play of the game...he anticipated Brown coming open and cut loose with the pass.

So maybe he trusts Brown more (although I've seen him anticipate with Rogers and Ayers before as well...the big pass to Rogers on the Ravens' GW drive was let loose before Rogers came open too).

Ben messed up.

See how easy it is to say that without it meaning "Ben sucks and should be benched"?

If you can't be critical of your best players when it's warranted to be critical, you're not being objective.

I am imploring Ben to be better...because I know he can be.

And I think his who can withstand some criticism from Internet assholes.

And I bet he's harder on himself than any of us.

[Legacy User]

What possible dumbfuck reason would there be for not taking a 40 yard shot at the end zone to finish a half?

Aaron Rodgers probably has over a 50% completion percentage on such throws.

Not taking that shot is RETARD LEVEL.

AB said -- "come on Ben, let me pad my stat line... just throw as easy pass to me and I can gain 20. I'll even let you star in my next FB Live video!" and Ben said "Oh cool - OK!"

[K_C_]

Rogers? Well, if it hits your hands you expect a catch. Ben could have anticipated better and let it go sooner.

The Rogers pass fail was totally on Ben. He didn't anticipate that throw at all...there was a replay from the end zone camera behind Ben that showed it perfectly. If he anticipates Rogers breaking open and gets the ball out, it hits Eli in stride and he walks in.

Instead Ben waited until he saw Eli come open and then threw it, giving the defender enough time to get back and influence the play.

And I call bullshit that Ben can't do timing or anticipatory routes because he's done them plenty. He even did it on the clinching play of the game...he anticipated Brown coming open and cut loose with the pass.

So maybe he trusts Brown more (although I've seen him anticipate with Rogers and Ayers before as well...the big pass to Rogers on the Ravens' GW drive was let loose before Rogers came open too).

Ben messed up.

See how easy it is to say that without it meaning "Ben sucks and should be benched"?

If you can't be critical of your best players when it's warranted to be critical, you're not being objective.

I am imploring Ben to be better...because I know he can be.

And I think his who can withstand some criticism from Internet assholes.

And I bet he's harder on himself than any of us.

Rogers should have made that catch.

No question about it.

[jeemie]

Steelers do a lot of weird shit that has us scratching our heads...the non Hail Mary was no weirder than their usual weirdness.

Except for those going excuse-hunting, maybe?

[jeemie]

Rogers? Well, if it hits your hands you expect a catch. Ben could have anticipated better and let it go sooner.

The Rogers pass fail was totally on Ben. He didn't anticipate that throw at all...there was a replay from the end zone camera behind Ben that showed it perfectly. If he anticipates Rogers breaking open and gets the ball out, it hits Eli in stride and he walks in.

Instead Ben waited until he saw Eli come open and then threw it, giving the defender enough time to get back and influence the play.

And I call bullshit that Ben can't do timing or anticipatory routes because he's done them plenty. He even did it on the clinching play of the game...he anticipated Brown coming open and cut loose with the pass.

So maybe he trusts Brown more (although I've seen him anticipate with Rogers and Ayers before as well...the big pass to Rogers on the Ravens' GW drive was let loose before Rogers came open too).

Ben messed up.

See how easy it is to say that without it meaning "Ben sucks and should be benched"?

If you can't be critical of your best players when it's warranted to be critical, you're not being objective.

I am imploring Ben to be better...because I know he can be.

And I think his who can withstand some criticism from Internet assholes.

And I bet he's harder on himself than any of us.

Rogers should have made that catch.

No question about it.

Thanks for trying to explain to me what my eyes clearly saw for themselves, Mr. Blandino.

And lest you think it's 20/20 hindsight, I made a post about the throw in the game thread.

[K_C_]

Thanks for trying to explain to me what my eyes clearly saw for themselves, Mr. Blandino.

And lest you think it's 20/20 hindsight, I made a post about the throw in the game thread.

So your eyes saw the ball hit Rogers in the hands?

Gotta come down with the ball in a game like that.

It's that simple.

[K_C_]

Steelers do a lot of weird shit that has us scratching our heads...the non Hail Mary was no weirder than their usual weirdness.

Except for those going excuse-hunting, maybe?

Oh, so it's excuse hunting to wonder why Ben couldn't throw a ball 40 yards?

What deep shots did Ben take in that game?

How many would you say he threw?

[jeemie]

Steelers do a lot of weird shit that has us scratching our heads...the non Hail Mary was no weirder than their usual weirdness.

Except for those going excuse-hunting, maybe?

Oh, so it's excuse hunting to wonder why Ben couldn't throw a ball 40 yards?

What deep shots did Ben take in that game?

How many would you say he threw?

He took the one to Brown. He wad a yard inaccurate on it into the wind after he armed it...oh fuck, his shoulder is WRECKED.

Mostly he didn't take deep shots because...wait for it...they weren't there.

But of course it means his shoulder is out of his socket.

[K_C_]

Steelers do a lot of weird shit that has us scratching our heads...the non Hail Mary was no weirder than their usual weirdness.

Except for those going excuse-hunting, maybe?

Oh, so it's excuse hunting to wonder why Ben couldn't throw a ball 40 yards?

What deep shots did Ben take in that game?

How many would you say he threw?

He took the one to Brown. He wad a yard inaccurate on it into the wind after he armed it...oh fuck, his shoulder is WRECKED.

Mostly he didn't take deep shots because...wait for it...they weren't there.

But of course it means his shoulder is out of his socket.

Not saying his shoulder is fucked, but one deep shot?

Oh....they weren't there. Riiiiiiight.

And Ben didn't throw the ball 40 yards to end the half because the Steelers are "weird".

Oh.

Okay.

That's nice.

[jeemie]

Go through the All 22 sometime, and be sure to point out each and every case where Ben passed up an obvious deep shot, KC, and then get back to me.