Tomlin Monday Presser

[stinger8]

Ben said Haley wanted to kick the extra point after the botched 2 point call and delay of game but Tomlin overruled him. Ben also said he shot down Haley’s play call on that 3rd and 2 pass to Martavis Bryant at the end of the game. Ben is not shy about taking credit for the big plays where he made the call. Clearly he and Haley don’t see eye to eye. I wonder if the team has the balls to make a coaching change after the season. Doubtful but needed

There have always been the critics that will argue its too late to change now and or Bens window is too small to start from scratch.
I believe we are at scratch.
So a new OC come Thursday is not going to happen.
We look like shit again on Thursday, we have 10 days to give the headset to a new guy and turn this offense into what it should be.

We aren't beating NE or other playoff teams with that grab bag pull and pray shit Haley is trotting out there.

He was on the other end of Ben's (football acumen) many times, now we want Ben to be cuckolded because Haley is what????

A golfer, a son of a coach, who never played.

Fucking dynamite this asshole already

Bill Belichick played at Weslyan (??), Josh McDanial played at John Carroll(??), and Matt Patricia played at RPI (??) No pro experience playing and marginal levels of college.

What exactly is your point about playing?

Have you ever played??

Totally insignificant.

[steeledge]

This doesn’t mean I think Mark Madden is good at anything, but this morning his article references the fact that prior to Sunday, Steelers were 7-14 in their last 21 when they were favored on the road.

I know we all argue on here about whether Tomlin & Co. is bad against bad teams on the road, or if that concept is bullshit, but how can you argue with 7-14 in the last 21 when favored on the road?

And the talk about this being a “trap game”; where is that coming from? I don’t think Tomlin is getting the boys together after practice and talking about Indy being a “trap game”, but I think it is an indication of how undisciplined and full of themselves this team is. They aren’t focused on the task at hand, buy into the media too much, etc. That is 100 percent on coaching.

Thats a great recipe for missing out on home field advantage, first round bye, traveling for a wild card game, not having week 17 off to rest, needing to win last game to get in, needing help to get in ...... or missing the playoffs all together.

Amazingly enough, Madden is exactly wrong! The Steelers are 14-7 in their last 21 games as road favorite. That's 14-7. Not 7-14. 14-7. That's about a half-game better than the NFL mean.

Not that it matters, but they are 11-10 against the spread in those games. That’s about a half-game better too.

This appears to have become a national meme, which is why I'm wasting time actually looking into it.

People halfway listen to some number or logic, arrange it in their heads so that it confirms what they already believe, and off we go!

Wait, are you suggesting that Madden is a shit-stirring liar?!

[Legacy User]

Careful, Kodiak. According to Malba and Veritas, this is completely normal and really the sign of a great team is measured in how often the coaches and players are screaming at each other. What’s going to be the excuse this year when Bill B. hangs a forty-burger on the Steelers with guys named Rex Burkhead and James Develin catching passes?

Orange, if you are going to jack off the Patriots go back to the SNF thread- we should have a tarp down over there by now. You are honestly are trying to connect the Patriots beating down a bottom dweller with Brock "can't beat out a rookie" aka "took the money and ran to nothing" aka " got shut down in the second half in Pittsburgh" aka "keep your head on a swivel if you're working the sidelines" Osweiler with them beating us because Haley cussed out Ben?

Some Steeler fans fawn and reminisce about Cowher getting in the face of players and spitting at them- how is this different? Oh because spit didn't come out and he was on a headset? Lombardi wasn't shy about cussing out players and coaches. Parcells, Shula, even Landry would get up in Starbauch's grill when he didn't run something right. How is this any different- because Tomlin didnt do it?

Ben's play has been below the line- period. Putting that on Haley or Tomlin fuels long-standing agendas some here are nudging along. How is this team winning when Ben (the reason for everything) is playing like crap. This team cannot beat the Patriots with Ben playing like he did for the first 57 minutes of the game. That's all that should be said.

[stillcajun]

There have always been the critics that will argue its too late to change now and or Bens window is too small to start from scratch.
I believe we are at scratch.
So a new OC come Thursday is not going to happen.
We look like shit again on Thursday, we have 10 days to give the headset to a new guy and turn this offense into what it should be.

We aren't beating NE or other playoff teams with that grab bag pull and pray shit Haley is trotting out there.

He was on the other end of Ben's (football acumen) many times, now we want Ben to be cuckolded because Haley is what????

A golfer, a son of a coach, who never played.

Fucking dynamite this asshole already

I honestly believe that after the 1st 3 and out of the second half, Ben looked like a completely different player. Almost like he just said "screw it" and he let Old Ben out to play. They're discussing on the Fan Morning show about the STFU from Haley. Ben didn't seem too please but said those things happen.

[Legacy User]

Sir William Pitt the Elder might suggest a duel between Haley and Ben

I think William Pitt has been reconstituted into another webform

I hope not. The dumbest most obtuse non funny bs in quite a while.

[Drummer Boy]

Amazingly enough, Madden is exactly wrong! The Steelers are 14-7 in their last 21 games as road favorite. That's 14-7. Not 7-14. 14-7. That's about a half-game better than the NFL mean.

Not that it matters, but they are 11-10 against the spread in those games. That’s about a half-game better too.

This appears to have become a national meme, which is why I'm wasting time actually looking into it.

People halfway listen to some number or logic, arrange it in their heads so that it confirms what they already believe, and off we go!

Wait, are you suggesting that Madden is a shit-stirring liar?!

Don't know about liar; how about shit-stirring dumbfuck?

[steeledge]

Sir William Pitt the Elder might suggest a duel between Haley and Ben

I think William Pitt has been reconstituted into another webform

I hope not. The dumbest most obtuse non funny bs in quite a while.

Oh, that's rich coming from you, Mr. Pot...

[Orangesteel]

Careful, Kodiak. According to Malba and Veritas, this is completely normal and really the sign of a great team is measured in how often the coaches and players are screaming at each other. What’s going to be the excuse this year when Bill B. hangs a forty-burger on the Steelers with guys named Rex Burkhead and James Develin catching passes?

Orange, if you are going to jack off the Patriots go back to the SNF thread- we should have a tarp down over there by now. You are honestly are trying to connect the Patriots beating down a bottom dweller with Brock "can't beat out a rookie" aka "took the money and ran to nothing" aka " got shut down in the second half in Pittsburgh" aka "keep your head on a swivel if you're working the sidelines" Osweiler with them beating us because Haley cussed out Ben?

Some Steeler fans fawn and reminisce about Cowher getting in the face of players and spitting at them- how is this different? Oh because spit didn't come out and he was on a headset? Lombardi wasn't shy about cussing out players and coaches. Parcells, Shula, even Landry would get up in Starbauch's grill when he didn't run something right. How is this any different- because Tomlin didnt do it?

Ben's play has been below the line- period. Putting that on Haley or Tomlin fuels long-standing agendas some here are nudging along. How is this team winning when Ben (the reason for everything) is playing like crap. This team cannot beat the Patriots with Ben playing like he did for the first 57 minutes of the game. That's all that should be said.

I’m not jacking off the Pats. I despise that team, but their play considering who they currently have on both sides of the ball is impressive. If you can’t recognize that you are a homer beyond comprehension.

Please tell me what you liked about the offensive play calling yesterday for the first 2.5 quarters. And read the game thread; Ben looked like crap on some plays and me and plenty others called him on it. Sure, Brown played the worst game I maybe have ever seen from him, but deep bombs and end arounds to Bryant is not the way to get that extremely talented player back into the game plan. 2nd and long and Haley goes back to the run because he’s scared. What about the 2pt debacle; can you let me know why that gives you any confidence in our coaches?

[zeke5123]

There have always been the critics that will argue its too late to change now and or Bens window is too small to start from scratch.
I believe we are at scratch.
So a new OC come Thursday is not going to happen.
We look like shit again on Thursday, we have 10 days to give the headset to a new guy and turn this offense into what it should be.

We aren't beating NE or other playoff teams with that grab bag pull and pray shit Haley is trotting out there.

He was on the other end of Ben's (football acumen) many times, now we want Ben to be cuckolded because Haley is what????

A golfer, a son of a coach, who never played.

Fucking dynamite this asshole already

I honestly believe that after the 1st 3 and out of the second half, Ben looked like a completely different player. Almost like he just said "screw it" and he let Old Ben out to play. They're discussing on the Fan Morning show about the STFU from Haley. Ben didn't seem too please but said those things happen.

It appears that Ben went at least partially awol and got results.

[Kodiak]

Some Steeler fans fawn and reminisce about Cowher getting in the face of players and spitting at them- how is this different?

It's different because the real issue is it's clearly carrying over off the field. It's not really about what happens on the sidelines, but that DOES take on a different context when the QB is openly sniping at the OC routinely in pressers.

And for that matter, it's not just Ben doing it. Between the sidelines is one thing - that happens. And you occasionally see frustration at other teams boil over into pressers. But that's usually pretty limited unless there are real, deeper issues. I think it's pretty clear Haley would not still be the OC on other teams.

[BethlehemSteel]

There have always been the critics that will argue its too late to change now and or Bens window is too small to start from scratch.
I believe we are at scratch.
So a new OC come Thursday is not going to happen.
We look like shit again on Thursday, we have 10 days to give the headset to a new guy and turn this offense into what it should be.

We aren't beating NE or other playoff teams with that grab bag pull and pray shit Haley is trotting out there.

He was on the other end of Ben's (football acumen) many times, now we want Ben to be cuckolded because Haley is what????

A golfer, a son of a coach, who never played.

Fucking dynamite this asshole already

Bill Belichick played at Weslyan (??), Josh McDanial played at John Carroll(??), and Matt Patricia played at RPI (??) No pro experience playing and marginal levels of college.

What exactly is your point about playing?

Have you ever played??

Totally insignificant.

Todd has never played the game, he has no feel for what a player goes through. I wasn't talking about Dick Haley.

I totally disagree. It's not insignificant. I think it a big reason why he is so bland and too cerebral.

And I never played football competitively. I've played others and this also rings true. The point is, Haley fucks himself every week and not realizing he has a 2 time Super Bowl winner out there.

[Lynch]

Ben said Haley wanted to kick the extra point after the botched 2 point call and delay of game but Tomlin overruled him. Ben also said he shot down Haley’s play call on that 3rd and 2 pass to Martavis Bryant at the end of the game. Ben is not shy about taking credit for the big plays where he made the call. Clearly he and Haley don’t see eye to eye. I wonder if the team has the balls to make a coaching change after the season. Doubtful but needed

There have always been the critics that will argue its too late to change now and or Bens window is too small to start from scratch.
I believe we are at scratch.
So a new OC come Thursday is not going to happen.
We look like shit again on Thursday, we have 10 days to give the headset to a new guy and turn this offense into what it should be.

You don’t even need to change the system. There are plays in Haley’s playbook that work, that attack. You need to change the playcaller.

This is exactly the problem. Tomlin steps in and changes calls during the game, just like he changes the scripted plays before it. It completely fucks Haley's flow and makes the O what you see today. More Tomlin interjection=more problems getting rhythm.

[Stillchest]

Careful, Kodiak. According to Malba and Veritas, this is completely normal and really the sign of a great team is measured in how often the coaches and players are screaming at each other. What’s going to be the excuse this year when Bill B. hangs a forty-burger on the Steelers with guys named Rex Burkhead and James Develin catching passes?

Orange, if you are going to jack off the Patriots go back to the SNF thread- we should have a tarp down over there by now. You are honestly are trying to connect the Patriots beating down a bottom dweller with Brock "can't beat out a rookie" aka "took the money and ran to nothing" aka " got shut down in the second half in Pittsburgh" aka "keep your head on a swivel if you're working the sidelines" Osweiler with them beating us because Haley cussed out Ben?

Some Steeler fans fawn and reminisce about Cowher getting in the face of players and spitting at them- how is this different? Oh because spit didn't come out and he was on a headset? Lombardi wasn't shy about cussing out players and coaches. Parcells, Shula, even Landry would get up in Starbauch's grill when he didn't run something right. How is this any different- because Tomlin didnt do it?

Ben's play has been below the line- period. Putting that on Haley or Tomlin fuels long-standing agendas some here are nudging along. How is this team winning when Ben (the reason for everything) is playing like crap. This team cannot beat the Patriots with Ben playing like he did for the first 57 minutes of the game. That's all that should be said.

Except Ben is not "the reason for everything." Not even close.

If you're a fan of this team, watch them play on the regular, and have a half functioning brain, you would see the plethora of issues with their inconsistencies. Many of those are not on Ben.

[Legacy User]

Ben said Haley wanted to kick the extra point after the botched 2 point call and delay of game but Tomlin overruled him. Ben also said he shot down Haley’s play call on that 3rd and 2 pass to Martavis Bryant at the end of the game. Ben is not shy about taking credit for the big plays where he made the call. Clearly he and Haley don’t see eye to eye. I wonder if the team has the balls to make a coaching change after the season. Doubtful but needed

I couldn’t agree more that a change from Haley is needed (and, speaking personally, regardless of how this season plays out). For those who had trouble seeing the discontent and the circus atmosphere, that one sequence from yesterday was a perfect microcosm of the whole picture.

[drmalba]

What’s going to be the excuse this year when Bill B. hangs a forty-burger on the Steelers with guys named Rex Burkhead and James Develin catching passes?

I only heard the call on the radio; I was angered as well at the fuckup after the TO. But we won another game we shouldn't have. Just like that stretch where the Patriots almost got beaten by the Jets and Bucs, but they closed out anyways.
Its magical thinking I guess, but to me - what types of teams win games they shouldn't? Teams that can legit compete for a title.

[Legacy User]

Except Ben is not "the reason for everything." Not even close.

If you're a fan of this team, watch them play on the regular, and have a half functioning brain, you would see the plethora of issues with their inconsistencies. Many of those are not on Ben.

Unless Ben balls out, we're not advancing to SB, period. So we can point out all the other problems, but in addition, if Ben does not turn it on, all it's going to take is one less than stellar performance from the D and we're going to get bounced.

I'm quite sure I often put too much blame on Ben. I'm also quite sure a lot of folks will bend over backwards to absolve Ben of everything.

Good news is that he has been playing better. But these interceptions off over or underthrown long balls and such? That shit has got to stop in the playoffs.

It was all fine and well to throw a "punt bomb" to Bryant against the Colts. NE will take that and turn it into seven.

The team is 7-2. We're bitching because expectations are sky high and we know Ben's window is closing. The team is hardly a dumpster fire. But winning "in that fashion" against a team like the Colts makes me nervous as a fan.

[Legacy User]

I’m not jacking off the Pats. I despise that team, but their play considering who they currently have on both sides of the ball is impressive. If you can’t recognize that you are a homer beyond comprehension.

Please tell me what you liked about the offensive play calling yesterday for the first 2.5 quarters. And read the game thread; Ben looked like crap on some plays and me and plenty others called him on it. Sure, Brown played the worst game I maybe have ever seen from him, but deep bombs and end arounds to Bryant is not the way to get that extremely talented player back into the game plan. 2nd and long and Haley goes back to the run because he’s scared. What about the 2pt debacle; can you let me know why that gives you any confidence in our coaches?

2 pt debacle? Last I heard we got the 2 points. Is it a debacle because we burned a timeout getting it right? Or is a debacle because you heard Haley cussing at Ben? Because of all those things you mentioned that had a positive outcome

First of all, stop comparing this team to the Patriots or what could happen. The strength of the Patriots schedule has come and gone and they were left wanting. They had a cakewalk schedule for the last 3 weeks. Unless Buffalo finds their nuts the only game on their remaining schedule with an above .500 and top ten offense is us. I saw them get run on last night- early on. I saw the Broncos feed the ball the Sanders with ease- which was on their 2nd corner. Pats had an extra week to figure out a Denver team that is trending down and it showed.

You call me a homer, fine. If not jumping on the skeetwagon everytime someone starts fawning over the Patriots or how we should have blown out the Colts makes me a homer- guilty as charged. And I don't go into the game thread because frankly, I don't get off on watching people on pre-suicide watch.

The problem with this team is execution and most of that is on Ben. Period. This team left at least 9 points on the board yesterday and could have been easily 21. Had nothing to do with playcalling and everything to do with not executing. You couldn't scheme Brown more open on that right side. Bryant was open but the ball needed to be more towards the sideline and he needed to fight for it at its highest point. Overthrows and underthrows its all on Ben.

[swissvale72]

Stinger:
Bill Belichick played at Weslyan (??), Josh McDanial played at John Carroll(??), and Matt Patricia played at RPI (??) No pro experience playing and marginal levels of college.

What exactly is your point about playing?

Have you ever played??

Totally insignificant.[/quote]

Swissvale:

It's not insignificant. Haley has no sense of putting on pads, two-a-days (although those days are over, all of the players went through it)...any of that. The best pro coaches were not great pro players, but at least they grew up playing the game.

If would be akin, Stinger, to Scotty Bowman not knowing how to skate.

[Legacy User]

I’m not jacking off the Pats. I despise that team, but their play considering who they currently have on both sides of the ball is impressive. If you can’t recognize that you are a homer beyond comprehension.

Please tell me what you liked about the offensive play calling yesterday for the first 2.5 quarters. And read the game thread; Ben looked like crap on some plays and me and plenty others called him on it. Sure, Brown played the worst game I maybe have ever seen from him, but deep bombs and end arounds to Bryant is not the way to get that extremely talented player back into the game plan. 2nd and long and Haley goes back to the run because he’s scared. What about the 2pt debacle; can you let me know why that gives you any confidence in our coaches?

2 pt debacle? Last I heard we got the 2 points. Is it a debacle because we burned a timeout getting it right? Or is a debacle because you heard Haley cussing at Ben? Because of all those things you mentioned that had a positive outcome

First of all, stop comparing this team to the Patriots or what could happen. The strength of the Patriots schedule has come and gone and they were left wanting. They had a cakewalk schedule for the last 3 weeks. Unless Buffalo finds their nuts the only game on their remaining schedule with an above .500 and top ten offense is us. I saw them get run on last night- early on. I saw the Broncos feed the ball the Sanders with ease- which was on their 2nd corner. Pats had an extra week to figure out a Denver team that is trending down and it showed.

You call me a homer, fine. If not jumping on the skeetwagon everytime someone starts fawning over the Patriots or how we should have blown out the Colts makes me a homer- guilty as charged. And I don't go into the game thread because frankly, I don't get off on watching people on pre-suicide watch.

The problem with this team is execution and most of that is on Ben. Period. This team left at least 9 points on the board yesterday and could have been easily 21. Had nothing to do with playcalling and everything to do with not executing. You couldn't scheme Brown more open on that right side. Bryant was open but the ball needed to be more towards the sideline and he needed to fight for it at its highest point. Overthrows and underthrows its all on Ben.

[Legacy User]

The problem with this team is execution and most of that is on Ben. Period. This team left at least 9 points on the board yesterday and could have been easily 21. Had nothing to do with playcalling and everything to do with not executing. You couldn't scheme Brown more open on that right side. Bryant was open but the ball needed to be more towards the sideline and he needed to fight for it at its highest point. Overthrows and underthrows its all on Ben.

See, I watch the games as a casual fan and that is what I see with me eyes, too: balls going over the head and beyond the receive and balls falling short of the receiver.

But then I log on here and all I read is that the receivers are fucking up the routes or Haley is not scheming guys open enough and how all over the NFL, no one has to throw into the kind of tight windows Ben does.

[Stillchest]

Except Ben is not "the reason for everything." Not even close.

If you're a fan of this team, watch them play on the regular, and have a half functioning brain, you would see the plethora of issues with their inconsistencies. Many of those are not on Ben.

Unless Ben balls out, we're not advancing to SB, period. So we can point out all the other problems, but in addition, if Ben does not turn it on, all it's going to take is one less than stellar performance from the D and we're going to get bounced.

I'm quite sure I often put too much blame on Ben. I'm also quite sure a lot of folks will bend over backwards to absolve Ben of everything.

Good news is that he has been playing better. But these interceptions off over or underthrown long balls and such? That shit has got to stop in the playoffs.

It was all fine and well to throw a "punt bomb" to Bryant against the Colts. NE will take that and turn it into seven.

The team is 7-2. We're bitching because expectations are sky high and we know Ben's window is closing. The team is hardly a dumpster fire. But winning "in that fashion" against a team like the Colts makes me nervous as a fan.

Wait..I was under the impression, the offense ran through Bell?!

[zeke5123]

The problem with this team is execution and most of that is on Ben. Period. This team left at least 9 points on the board yesterday and could have been easily 21. Had nothing to do with playcalling and everything to do with not executing. You couldn't scheme Brown more open on that right side. Bryant was open but the ball needed to be more towards the sideline and he needed to fight for it at its highest point. Overthrows and underthrows its all on Ben.

See, I watch the games as a casual fan and that is what I see with me eyes, too: balls going over the head and beyond the receive and balls falling short of the receiver.

But then I log on here and all I read is that the receivers are fucking up the routes or Haley is not scheming guys open enough and how all over the NFL, no one has to throw into the kind of tight windows Ben does.

Ehh. Ben misses a few throws. Every QB does. OCs job is to put a player in a position to maximize strengthens and minimize weaknesses. I think you’d be hard pressed to argue Haley does so. It’s really quite simple — we don’t have anything better behind Ben. We may have something better behind Haley. That alone makes you consider it.

[Legacy User]

I happen to be watching this game with a whole bunch of non-Steelers. They kept saying, see the Steelers always find ways to win games. How do they always do that?

On that drive I said to the room, it’s tough being a Steelers fan. I got laughed heartily at. Look at all those Super Bowls, I was told. What’s your record I was asked?

Just some perspective

[jebrick]

So was anything said at Tomlin's presser?

[swissvale72]

I’m not jacking off the Pats. I despise that team, but their play considering who they currently have on both sides of the ball is impressive. If you can’t recognize that you are a homer beyond comprehension.

Please tell me what you liked about the offensive play calling yesterday for the first 2.5 quarters. And read the game thread; Ben looked like crap on some plays and me and plenty others called him on it. Sure, Brown played the worst game I maybe have ever seen from him, but deep bombs and end arounds to Bryant is not the way to get that extremely talented player back into the game plan. 2nd and long and Haley goes back to the run because he’s scared. What about the 2pt debacle; can you let me know why that gives you any confidence in our coaches?

2 pt debacle? Last I heard we got the 2 points. Is it a debacle because we burned a timeout getting it right? Or is a debacle because you heard Haley cussing at Ben? Because of all those things you mentioned that had a positive outcome

First of all, stop comparing this team to the Patriots or what could happen. The strength of the Patriots schedule has come and gone and they were left wanting. They had a cakewalk schedule for the last 3 weeks. Unless Buffalo finds their nuts the only game on their remaining schedule with an above .500 and top ten offense is us. I saw them get run on last night- early on. I saw the Broncos feed the ball the Sanders with ease- which was on their 2nd corner. Pats had an extra week to figure out a Denver team that is trending down and it showed.

You call me a homer, fine. If not jumping on the skeetwagon everytime someone starts fawning over the Patriots or how we should have blown out the Colts makes me a homer- guilty as charged. And I don't go into the game thread because frankly, I don't get off on watching people on pre-suicide watch.

The problem with this team is execution and most of that is on Ben. Period. This team left at least 9 points on the board yesterday and could have been easily 21. Had nothing to do with playcalling and everything to do with not executing. You couldn't scheme Brown more open on that right side. Bryant was open but the ball needed to be more towards the sideline and he needed to fight for it at its highest point. Overthrows and underthrows its all on Ben.

It certainly was a debacle, but due to neither factor that you mentioned. It was a debacle because AFTER burning a timeout, they then incurred a delay of game, forcing them back to the seven-yard line rather than the two. Obviously, I'm pleased the Steelers successfully completed the two-point pass, and would have been bonkers had the reported Haley mindset prevailed and they kicked the point to remain one point down.

But, call it a debacle, or a shitshow, what you want....I've never seen this sequence of events on a two-point try and doubt that you have, either.

[Legacy User]

Except Ben is not "the reason for everything." Not even close.

If you're a fan of this team, watch them play on the regular, and have a half functioning brain, you would see the plethora of issues with their inconsistencies. Many of those are not on Ben.

You are here questioning my brain's ability to function and all you can come up with is "plethora of issues with their inconsistencies". That sir/ma'am is lazy bullshit wrapped in an agenda tortilla- essentially a leftover warmed up agenda bullshit burrito.

[BethlehemSteel]

Stinger:
Bill Belichick played at Weslyan (??), Josh McDanial played at John Carroll(??), and Matt Patricia played at RPI (??) No pro experience playing and marginal levels of college.

What exactly is your point about playing?

Have you ever played??

Totally insignificant.

Swissvale:

It's not insignificant. Haley has no sense of putting on pads, two-a-days (although those days are over, all of the players went through it)...any of that. The best pro coaches were not great pro players, but at least they grew up playing the game.

If would be akin, Stinger, to Scotty Bowman not knowing how to skate.

Can't believe he trotted out the not significant excuse. His playcalling or non-playcalling history is full of half pregnant pauses.

[Drummer Boy]

So was anything said at Tomlin's presser?

[bradshaw2ben]

This doesn’t mean I think Mark Madden is good at anything, but this morning his article references the fact that prior to Sunday, Steelers were 7-14 in their last 21 when they were favored on the road.

I know we all argue on here about whether Tomlin & Co. is bad against bad teams on the road, or if that concept is bullshit, but how can you argue with 7-14 in the last 21 when favored on the road?

And the talk about this being a “trap game”; where is that coming from? I don’t think Tomlin is getting the boys together after practice and talking about Indy being a “trap game”, but I think it is an indication of how undisciplined and full of themselves this team is. They aren’t focused on the task at hand, buy into the media too much, etc. That is 100 percent on coaching.

It's the heavy favoring that's he problem as much as anything. I'm as guilty as anyone-- teams are just too close to ignore the potential of little details making huge difference in game.

[Legacy User]

It certainly was a debacle, but due to neither factor that you mentioned. It was a debacle because AFTER burning a timeout, they then incurred a delay of game, forcing them back to the seven-yard line rather than the two. Obviously, I'm pleased the Steelers successfully completed the two-point pass, and would have been bonkers had the reported Haley mindset prevailed and they kicked the point to remain one point down.

But, call it a debacle, or a shitshow, what you want....I've never seen this sequence of events on a two-point try and doubt that you have, either.

It was very Fellini. But It's a molehill- in the light that we didn't need the extra point that we got. We won by 3 instead of 1 and the only people upset about that were the ones who took the Steelers and gave the 10 points. But most of them tore up their tickets after Boswell missed.

I get that people are unhappy with playcalling (specifically the play-caller) and because of that we paying less attention to execution. Somehow this instance marries the two and points at Haley. In this fruitless exercise, we are trying to infer that if this is the way Haley communicates normally with Ben it is preventing this Ben from being the real Ben. Basically building a case for his departure. Or it could be another way for Steelers superfans to pick apart wins because their mothers never hugged them or some other Freudian cocaine-induced nonsense.