Ben speaks

[Legacy User]

Fair enough, but it is stupid to embrace delusional things. I’ll leave off an explanation of analytic vs synthetic propositions.

I wonder that you fail to realize that I have given several arguments that justify the reasonableness of your position. I wonder that you fail to appreciate that have not been arguing against your position. What I have done is point out the BS tactic of reading your opponent’s position in the worst possible manner and then attacking that position viewed in that worst possible interpretation.

See, it would be as if someone were to say, “Wow, that Swiss is a real moron! He actually thinks that were AB to start kicking infants, his talents would supersede the headaches that would follow!”

Seems to me that what makes the opposing position reasonable is that AB quit on the team and then temper tantrumed his way out the door. It is reasonable to take the position that were AB to continue that kind of behavior, that the team is better off moving on. You may not and need not agree with it, but it is not “delusional.”

I’ll let others speak for themselves. And for the record, I am not convinced Ben forced balls to AB as much as Ben thinks that chucking a ball to AB under any conditions is a risk worth taking.

I do appreciate your efforts to be fair, and even charitable, Lit. That said, I want to be clear that I wasn't necessarily predicting that AB would come back to the fold and not be toxic, but rather that I was hopeful that that could happen.

Again though, other than his hijinks the final week of the season (and I acknowledge that's akin to..."Other than the shooting, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?"), I remain of the opinion that it's delusional to believe that Steelers won't miss this guy's PRODUCTION. As I think you see, and may have stated, some believe that Steelers will be as good, or better, on the field, with the collection of wides on their roster presently. THAT, I believe, is indeed delusional.

See my post script: if you don’t know how he would behave, how confident can we be that team will be worse without than with him?

This is why I keep saying, in part, that the opposing position is not delusional.

We should always read arguments as charitably as possible. The reason is that pointing out weaknesses in the most charitable interpretations is the most damaging. If the good interpretation has weaknesses, the bad one is really fucked!

[Legacy User]

Oh, and a post script:

Swiss, you saying you believe AB would or would not continue his post-NO behavior? Because if you believe he would and you still want him on the team, still think his talent would be worth him quitting on the team, etc,, let’s get that on the record.

And if you do not believe he would cease quitting on the team, well, did I really muscharacterize your position after all?

Or are you saying you have no clue how he would behave but even having no clue can confidently assert team would be better with him? Because if this third option is the case, we have an internal contradiction, or at least a tension, in your position: can’t k ow how he would behave but can know we’ll be worse without him THAN with him...

In the order of the questions, you asked, Lit....
1. I don't know; I would hope not.
2. Because I don't know, yes, I think you mischaracterized my position.
3. AB's production will NOT, my humble opinion, be equaled, or nearly equaled, by the current collection of wides.

There you go. If you refuse to take a position on how AB will behave, on what ground are you confident we’ll better with him than without? That’s a tension, it seems to me. You sure you don’t believe AB would behave well enough to justify his talents? Bc if you do not believe it, but are only hopeful of it, why do you believe we’ll be better with him than without? Square that circle.

[K_C_]

So...guess it was his fault he blew out his knee in '15, then hyperextended in '14.

What was too bad was that the replacement was a serious downgrade.

Yeah, a Pro Bowler in his first year as a starter who scored more TD's in part of a season, than Bell EVER scored in an entire season.



Conner averaged more yards per carry and yards per catch than Bell did in his last injury free year.

Face it, Bell is a slow-assed, less powerful Jerome Bettis clone who can catch short passes.

Thought he was going to make a new market for some kind of RB/WR hybrid.

How'd that work out? Oh yeah....dumbfuck signed with the Jets for less money than the Steelers offered him.

My reference was to the specific years in question, KC...but yeah, let's talk about James Connor. Is that the same kid whose fumble definitely cost the Steelers a win over Cleveland, and whose fumble arguably cost them a win against Denver...either of which would have put the Steelers in the playoffs?? Thought so!

Yeah, that fumble against Cleveland was big.

How many picks did Ben throw in that game? How many turnovers did Roethlisberger have?

Outside of that fumble, what were Conner's stats?

Conner's fumble in Denver sucked. Grimble's was far worse. Brown running a horrific route on the last play of the game and Ben forcing him the ball was FAR WORSE than either fumble.

Also, if you believe the Steelers should have given slow-assed, least explosive back in the league Bell the RIDICULOUS money he wanted, get mental help.

You see, NOBODY gave Bell the money he felt he deserved. Not even the team he ended up signing with (for less money than the Steelers offered ).

NOBODY.

.....pssst.....they didn't pay him like he wanted for a reason...Bell wasn't worth it.

[K_C_]

Great article right here!

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2019/3/28/18282172/before-we-crown-the-browns-lets-see-them-stop-james-conner-steelers-afc-north-nfl-news

[swissvale72]

Oh, and a post script:

Swiss, you saying you believe AB would or would not continue his post-NO behavior? Because if you believe he would and you still want him on the team, still think his talent would be worth him quitting on the team, etc,, let’s get that on the record.

And if you do not believe he would cease quitting on the team, well, did I really muscharacterize your position after all?

Or are you saying you have no clue how he would behave but even having no clue can confidently assert team would be better with him? Because if this third option is the case, we have an internal contradiction, or at least a tension, in your position: can’t k ow how he would behave but can know we’ll be worse without him THAN with him...

In the order of the questions, you asked, Lit....
1. I don't know; I would hope not.
2. Because I don't know, yes, I think you mischaracterized my position.
3. AB's production will NOT, my humble opinion, be equaled, or nearly equaled, by the current collection of wides.

There you go. If you refuse to take a position on how AB will behave, on what ground are you confident we’ll better with him than without? That’s a tension, it seems to me. You sure you don’t believe AB would behave well enough to justify his talents? Bc if you do not believe it, but are only hopeful of it, why do you believe we’ll be better with him than without? Square that circle.

I think I can say with certainty, that in contrast to the position taken by many here, Steelers will not match the on-field productivity of Antonio Brown with the current cast of characters. And yes, I'm casting aside all this nonsense, in my view, of Ben overly targeting AB in order to satisfy AB's target demands, etc.

And yes, I was hopeful, human condition and all that stuff...that AB would basically calm the fuck down, lose the bullshit, and be somewhat close to the guy that endeared him to alot of his teammates.

[K_C_]

I think I can say with certainty, that in contrast to the position taken by many here, Steelers will not match the on-field productivity of Antonio Brown with the current cast of characters. And yes, I'm casting aside all this nonsense, in my view, of Ben overly targeting AB in order to satisfy AB's target demands, etc.

And yes, I was hopeful, human condition and all that stuff...that AB would basically calm the fuck down, lose the bullshit, and be somewhat close to the guy that endeared him to alot of his teammates.

If I were you, with Brown in Oakland now, I wouldn't bet on him reaching the same heights of offensive glory with David Fucking Carr attempting to throw him the ball.

i would however NOT BE AT ALL SURPRISED to see JuJu out-do Brown in virtually every category.

You know because JuJu has the vastly superior guy throwing him the football?

[Havoc]

Team speed at the skills positions on offense...

A slimmer and quicker Washington and Samuels. Signed Moncrief, drafted D Johnson.

If the OL continues to play at a high level, the offense has a chance to keep on rolling.

I'll give the offense time to gel while hoping we win enough along the way to stay in it.

[Jobu]

Great article right here!

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2019/3/28/18282172/before-we-crown-the-browns-lets-see-them-stop-james-conner-steelers-afc-north-nfl-news

Interesting...here’s what I read out of that article.
That FC is likely correct when he states that the Steelers will be going back to their “roots”, by changing of the blocking scheme to a more Cowher-esque, smashmouth offensive style.
Is that a good idea? It certainly fits the style of the current RB group, but personally, in today’s NFL, I think not.
It also accentuates why a guy like Ryan Switzer is valuable, and a guy like Xavier Grimble needs to be upgraded.

[swissvale72]

Simple question, KC.

If Connor doesn't fumble, do Steelers win?

And...re: Bell and his contract
*I've never taken a position on how much players should be paid. I don't know enough about it. I DO take a position on which players I want on my team, and I think we forget how special a running back was Leveon Bell.

*If I'm remembering correctly, weren't you all about re-signing Bell prior to last season?

And...I don't think the issue is what AB's stats will be in Oakland vs. JuJu in Pittsburgh, but rather that ain't no way Steelers are better off without AB. I said months ago that AB & Ben needed each other.

[Kodiak]

Like a lot of people, I think AB is going to implode this year.

A guy who only cares about catching Jerry Rice is not going to age well....is not going to do well with a QB that misses throws and doesn't force him the ball.

Catching Rice, even if he plays another 8-10 years, already requires an unrealistic number of targets. A number that will only go up as AB ages. He's set the wrong goal for himself, one that he almost certainly can't achieve. And AB doesn't have the ability to cope with failure.

[K_C_]

Simple question, KC.

If Connor doesn't fumble, do Steelers win?

And...re: Bell and his contract
*I've never taken a position on how much players should be paid. I don't know enough about it. I DO take a position on which players I want on my team, and I think we forget how special a running back was Leveon Bell.

*If I'm remembering correctly, weren't you all about re-signing Bell prior to last season?

And...I don't think the issue is what AB's stats will be in Oakland vs. JuJu in Pittsburgh, but rather that ain't no way Steelers are better off without AB. I said months ago that AB & Ben needed each other.

Simpler question, swiss.

If Ben doesn't throw what, 5 picks, do the Steelers win?

I wanted to re-sign Bell for sure and WAS NOT a Conner fan. I HATED the Conner pick.

That is, until I saw Conner run far more impressively and explosively AND catch the ball more impressively and explosively than Bell.

Oh, and Bell being a lying piece of shit didn't help too. Remember when that cunt said something to the effect of; "Don't worry Steelers fans, I still plan on having my best year ever!" after long term contract talks broke down.

Remember that? I sure do.

Even Bell's offensive line got sick of the motherfucker holding out on the team.

You don't come back from quitting on your team. Both Bell and Brown are guilty of this cardinal sin.

Like I've said before, you are now tied to the narrative that the Steelers cannot win without these turds.

WE WILL SEE.

[bradshaw2ben]

Great article right here!

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2019/3/28/18282172/before-we-crown-the-browns-lets-see-them-stop-james-conner-steelers-afc-north-nfl-news

Interesting...here’s what I read out of that article.
That FC is likely correct when he states that the Steelers will be going back to their “roots”, by changing of the blocking scheme to a more Cowher-esque, smashmouth offensive style.
Is that a good idea? It certainly fits the style of the current RB group, but personally, in today’s NFL, I think not.
It also accentuates why a guy like Ryan Switzer is valuable, and a guy like Xavier Grimble needs to be upgraded.

It fits Conner, doesn't fit Samuels or Snell.

[swissvale72]

Simple question, KC.

If Connor doesn't fumble, do Steelers win?

And...re: Bell and his contract
*I've never taken a position on how much players should be paid. I don't know enough about it. I DO take a position on which players I want on my team, and I think we forget how special a running back was Leveon Bell.

*If I'm remembering correctly, weren't you all about re-signing Bell prior to last season?

And...I don't think the issue is what AB's stats will be in Oakland vs. JuJu in Pittsburgh, but rather that ain't no way Steelers are better off without AB. I said months ago that AB & Ben needed each other.

Simpler question, swiss.

If Ben doesn't throw what, 5 picks, do the Steelers win?

I wanted to re-sign Bell for sure and WAS NOT a Conner fan. I HATED the Conner pick.

That is, until I saw Conner run far more impressively and explosively AND catch the ball more impressively and explosively than Bell.

Oh, and Bell being a lying piece of shit didn't help too. Remember when that c*nt said something to the effect of; "Don't worry Steelers fans, I still plan on having my best year ever!" after long term contract talks broke down.

Remember that? I sure do.

Even Bell's offensive line got sick of the motherfucker holding out on the team.

You don't come back from quitting on your team. Both Bell and Brown are guilty of this cardinal sin.

Like I've said before, you are now tied to the narrative that the Steelers cannot win without these turds.

WE WILL SEE.

Guess you're not going to answer that simple question, KC.

I think you know...that I know...that you know...that if there's a not a huge fuckup at that point in the game, up 14 points, possessing the ball, less than 8 minutes remaining, that Steelers win. Yeah...Steelers also win with a better game from Ben. But they had largely overcome his performance and would have won had not Connor handed them the ball at the 1-yard line.

I don't mind being tied to a narrative where I hope I'm dead wrong, KC. Would not bother me in the least; I hope I'm wrong.

And I'm not saying Steelers CAN'T win. I just think this blind fuckin' optimism, losing this kind of talent and production, same dumbfuck coaching the team, is just that...blind fuckin' optimism, with nary a reason for it.

[COR-TEN]

This is kinda surprising, swiss. How many times can you claim a win or a loss based on one play? Usually those are the last plays of the game. Every other is simply subject to interpretation. Suggesting Conner lost the game. . . seriously? I thought you were more level headed that that. Everything is the sum of the parts. Singling out one seems. . . naive?

Further, what would you have expected the steelers to do with AB? Did AR go to florida and talk with him? Yes, he did. Are you suggesting they should have paid him more money, and just said fine. We'll look the other way after all the dumbfuck stupid shit you've said over the last few weeks, and we'll expect the entire team to accept and swallow whatever bullshit you excrete, and say thank you may I have more? What path would have ended up with AB remaining on the team other than a repentant AB - which we know wasn't going to happen.

AB made the choice to burn the bridge, so if you are suggesting the steelers handled it wrong, I'd say you're way off base. AB chose this path. And you have zero proof that they handled it wrong. Just like you think most of us have zero proof BR forced the targets to satisfy his ego. However, we have 10 interceptions to prove that point. You have zero evidence of the opposite. But I will say the BR eyefuck and forcing the ball is probably off by 30%. IOW, 30% of the time it was what has been suggested. Throw the ball to the guy you know will snatch it away from the defender. The other 70% is probably AB clamoring for more targets. What we see is only the tip of the iceberg.

But you've single handedly kept this thread alive. It's up to 15 pages, and it's not even about BR.

[swissvale72]

This is kinda surprising, swiss. How many times can you claim a win or a loss based on one play? Usually those are the last plays of the game. Every other is simply subject to interpretation. Suggesting Conner lost the game. . . seriously? I thought you were more level headed that that. Everything is the sum of the parts. Singling out one seems. . . naive?

Further, what would you have expected the steelers to do with AB? Did AR go to florida and talk with him? Yes, he did. Are you suggesting they should have paid him more money, and just said fine. We'll look the other way after all the dumbfuck stupid shit you've said over the last few weeks, and we'll expect the entire team to accept and swallow whatever bullshit you excrete, and say thank you may I have more? What path would have ended up with AB remaining on the team other than a repentant AB - which we know wasn't going to happen.

AB made the choice to burn the bridge, so if you are suggesting the steelers handled it wrong, I'd say you're way off base. AB chose this path. And you have zero proof that they handled it wrong. Just like you think most of us have zero proof BR forced the targets to satisfy his ego. However, we have 10 interceptions to prove that point. You have zero evidence of the opposite. But I will say the BR eyefuck and forcing the ball is probably off by 30%. IOW, 30% of the time it was what has been suggested. Throw the ball to the guy you know will snatch it away from the defender. The other 70% is probably AB clamoring for more targets. What we see is only the tip of the iceberg.

But you've single handedly kept this thread alive. It's up to 15 pages, and it's not even about BR.

Actually, what's kept it alive, Cor-Ten, is the responses from all of you asshats!! You stop responding; I stop posting!!

Now, to the points you've made...

*I think ALL of us KNOW, if we're being honest, that if Connor doesn't fumble in that spot, the Steelers win that game. Sometimes, one play is more important than another and eclipses everything else. Steelers had overcome the fuckups, had taken complete control, were set to run at least a couple more minutes off the clock, and would have won the fuckin' game had not Connor given the Browns the ball at the Steelers 1. Pure fuckin' denial to say it's not true.

*You have zero basis for your analysis of the reason behind the 10 picks...ZERO. You can say it's 70% AB. Maybe it's 100% AB. Maybe it's 100% Ben. None of us know.

*And for the record...I never once said Steelers should have paid AB more money.

Again....for the 500th time, my primary point is calling bullshit on the fantasy-land belief that somehow Steelers are better off without this guy, his talent, his production.

[Legacy User]

And, also, for the 500th time, that very much depends on what sort of AB shows up to work, Swiss. So, not so fantasy land as you wish to present it. I mean, one could concede that the production will be lower but also maintain that the team will still be better without him on the team.

Typing this in the emergency room with a sore neck and a flap of skin hanging off the bridge of my nose. A real Darwin Award.

[Louis Lipps Service]

Well, if the Steelers sucking is such a sure thing and to believe otherwise is delusional, then let’s throw down the gauntlet.

If the Steelers finish with 10 wins or more and/or makes playoffs, Swiss leaves the boards forever.

If it’s a sure thing, there’s no reason not to agree to that, right?

[COR-TEN]

And, also, for the 500th time, that very much depends on what sort of AB shows up to work, Swiss. So, not so fantasy land as you wish to present it. I mean, one could concede that the production will be lower but also maintain that the team will still be better without him on the team.

Typing this in the emergency room with a sore neck and a flap of skin hanging off the bridge of my nose. A real Darwin Award.

Hey. I have a few of those. But most were earned as a child. My most recent award is as a result of a three inch diameter 3rd degree burn on my arm. No. I won't post details. It's taken more than five weeks to heal. I still have a red mark, and don't expect it to be gone sooner than another month.

[Jobu]

Great article right here!

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2019/3/28/18282172/before-we-crown-the-browns-lets-see-them-stop-james-conner-steelers-afc-north-nfl-news

Interesting...here’s what I read out of that article.
That FC is likely correct when he states that the Steelers will be going back to their “roots”, by changing of the blocking scheme to a more Cowher-esque, smashmouth offensive style.
Is that a good idea? It certainly fits the style of the current RB group, but personally, in today’s NFL, I think not.
It also accentuates why a guy like Ryan Switzer is valuable, and a guy like Xavier Grimble needs to be upgraded.

It fits Conner, doesn't fit Samuels or Snell.

Nope...all three. Different skills sets, but they all fit into power game.

[bradshaw2ben]

Nope...all three. Different skills sets, but they all fit into power game.

Noth Snell and Samuels were very very good in the zone stretch game. Even last year's highlights for Samuels, he's a stretch, one cut runner.

[swissvale72]

Well, if the Steelers sucking is such a sure thing and to believe otherwise is delusional, then let’s throw down the gauntlet.

If the Steelers finish with 10 wins or more and/or makes playoffs, Swiss leaves the boards forever.

If it’s a sure thing, there’s no reason not to agree to that, right?

So if Steelers win less than 10 games, Lipps leaves the boards forever???

Funny, the relative newcomer, Lipps, wants the guy that won't go along with the prevailing view to not post anymore. Not surprised.

[Kodiak]

Funny, the relative newcomer, Lipps, wants the guy that won't go along with the prevailing view to not post anymore. Not surprised.

A member for nearly 4 years with 2000+ posts is a "relative newcomer"?

[swissvale72]

Funny, the relative newcomer, Lipps, wants the guy that won't go along with the prevailing view to not post anymore. Not surprised.

A member for nearly 4 years with 2000+ posts is a "relative newcomer"?

Yes...that's why it's relative.

[Jobu]

Nope...all three. Different skills sets, but they all fit into power game.

Noth Snell and Samuels were very very good in the zone stretch game. Even last year's highlights for Samuels, he's a stretch, one cut runner.

Which also works well in the trap/iso schemes. I don’t like the idea, but the Steelers are going to take the air out of the ball...count on it.

[bradshaw2ben]

IDK man. Maybe a little more run than last yeR— like I don’t think Ben will lead the league in attempts, but he’s still going to throw it as the primary means of the offensive success. Ben’s still going to be in shotgun most of the time, they’re still going to use screens as a version of the run game.

[Louis Lipps Service]

Well, if the Steelers sucking is such a sure thing and to believe otherwise is delusional, then let’s throw down the gauntlet.

If the Steelers finish with 10 wins or more and/or makes playoffs, Swiss leaves the boards forever.

If it’s a sure thing, there’s no reason not to agree to that, right?

So if Steelers win less than 10 games, Lipps leaves the boards forever???

Funny, the relative newcomer, Lipps, wants the guy that won't go along with the prevailing view to not post anymore. Not surprised.

I don’t think either viewpoint is “delusional”, so why would I wager on one way or the other?

You, on the other hand, think one viewpoint is delusional. So it should be a no brainer and would go a long way to proving just how much confidence you have in being right.

Or are you just full of shit?

(And I’ve been around here far longer than this username. Well into the Stiller’s.com days.)

[swissvale72]

Well, if the Steelers sucking is such a sure thing and to believe otherwise is delusional, then let’s throw down the gauntlet.

If the Steelers finish with 10 wins or more and/or makes playoffs, Swiss leaves the boards forever.

If it’s a sure thing, there’s no reason not to agree to that, right?

So if Steelers win less than 10 games, Lipps leaves the boards forever???

Funny, the relative newcomer, Lipps, wants the guy that won't go along with the prevailing view to not post anymore. Not surprised.

I don’t think either viewpoint is “delusional”, so why would I wager on one way or the other?

You, on the other hand, think one viewpoint is delusional. So it should be a no brainer and would go a long way to proving just how much confidence you have in being right.

Or are you just full of shit?

(And I’ve been around here far longer than this username. Well into the Stiller’s.com days.)

Here's what it comes down to, Lipps. You think I'm full of shit. I think you're a fuckin' pussy if you expect me to go away if Steelers win 10 games or more, yet you won't do the same if they win less than 10.

[Louis Lipps Service]

Here’s what it comes down to, Lipps. You think I'm full of shit. I think you're a fuckin' pussy if you expect me to go away if Steelers win 10 games or more, yet you won't do the same if they win less than 10.

I don’t think either viewpoint is delusional. You’re the idiot that keeps throwing that word around with no intention of backing it up.

If I were to bet, I would bet we are a little worse than we were last year. Like I’ve said, I was in the same boat as you before AB quit on the team

But I do think there is a possibility that the team rallies and does do better than last year.

I recognize the possibility of both points.

You do not. You continue to say the opposing viewpoint is not possible.

So here’s your chance to not be a bitch and back up the very opinion you keep cramming down everyone’s throats.

But much to the surprise of absolutely no one, you’re bitching out when it comes to backing it up. You’re going to be a coward and deflect.

Do it. Prove you actually believe the shit you’re spewing, or let everyone on the board know you’re the bitch you are.

No other choice. You can call me whatever names you want, but you’ve positioned yourself in this very spot and whatever name calling you resort to is nothing but smoke screen and everyone knows it.

So do it. Prove you have some balls.

[swissvale72]

Here’s what it comes down to, Lipps. You think I'm full of shit. I think you're a fuckin' pussy if you expect me to go away if Steelers win 10 games or more, yet you won't do the same if they win less than 10.

I don’t think either viewpoint is delusional. You’re the idiot that keeps throwing that word around with no intention of backing it up.

If I were to bet, I would bet we are a little worse than we were last year. Like I’ve said, I was in the same boat as you before AB quit on the team

But I do think there is a possibility that the team rallies and does do better than last year.

I recognize the possibility of both points.

You do not. You continue to say the opposing viewpoint is not possible.

So here’s your chance to not be a bitch and back up the very opinion you keep cramming down everyone’s throats.

But much to the surprise of absolutely no one, you’re bitching out when it comes to backing it up. You’re going to be a coward and deflect.

Do it. Prove you actually believe the shit you’re spewing, or let everyone on the board know you’re the bitch you are.

No other choice. You can call me whatever names you want, but you’ve positioned yourself in this very spot and whatever name calling you resort to is nothing but smoke screen and everyone knows it.

So do it. Prove you have some balls.

The only fuckin' coward here is you. You want to me to assume all the risk, and you assume none. You talk about balls. Make the fuckin' bet that you're proposing. Only put your own shit on the line, too...douchebag.

[Louis Lipps Service]

Here’s what it comes down to, Lipps. You think I'm full of shit. I think you're a fuckin' pussy if you expect me to go away if Steelers win 10 games or more, yet you won't do the same if they win less than 10.

I don’t think either viewpoint is delusional. You’re the idiot that keeps throwing that word around with no intention of backing it up.

If I were to bet, I would bet we are a little worse than we were last year. Like I’ve said, I was in the same boat as you before AB quit on the team

But I do think there is a possibility that the team rallies and does do better than last year.

I recognize the possibility of both points.

You do not. You continue to say the opposing viewpoint is not possible.

So here’s your chance to not be a bitch and back up the very opinion you keep cramming down everyone’s throats.

But much to the surprise of absolutely no one, you’re bitching out when it comes to backing it up. You’re going to be a coward and deflect.

Do it. Prove you actually believe the shit you’re spewing, or let everyone on the board know you’re the bitch you are.

No other choice. You can call me whatever names you want, but you’ve positioned yourself in this very spot and whatever name calling you resort to is nothing but smoke screen and everyone knows it.

So do it. Prove you have some balls.

The only fuckin' coward here is you. You want to me to assume all the risk, and you assume none. You talk about balls. Make the fuckin' bet that you're proposing. Only put your own shit on the line, too...douchebag.

So you’re telling me you don’t think the possibility of them being better is unrealistic. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so scared to take it.