James Harrison mega merged bed wetting thread.

[K_C_]

New England has front seven issues.

Tell me who else is available right now that the Pats could have taken.

Remember the Pats once signed Hank Poteat when we released him.

I get it: You're 100% under the impression that Harrison can't do anything on the field anymore.

We're gonna find out if you and FortyThree, are right.

I believe you're wrong.

....and you keep asking who better might be available than a future Hall of Famer who is always in peak physical condition and who's legs can't be any fresher?

[K_C_]

[Legacy User]

Jeems I totally agree that it’s not a huge disaster.It definitely could matter though.
Would you agree that the Pats are better with Harrison and the Steelers are worse without him?
Why give a team that basically owns you any other advantage?
Now what happens if Watt or Dupree get injured?
Now you have Sean Spence and Anthony Chickillo starting games in the playoffs

Looking at this another way:
- How bad is the Patriots LB depth that they need to sign a 39 y/o who has barely played this year?
- Why the automatic assumption that James will click in the Pats system?
- Watt was injured earlier this year - Chickillo played over Harrison. Why is the mindset of this board "Tomlin is a moron who has an agenda so he won't play JH" as opposed to "Harrison is old/broken down and can't even beat out Anthony Chickillo"
- Harrison has never, in his 14 years in the league, played ILB. Why is our ILB depth even being brought into this discussion?

I keep seeing people fear that Harrison will give BB some sort of insider knowledge. Is there any documented evidence of this ever happening? I'm being serious - can someone find an example of a team signing a player and later admitting that gave them a leg up on the competition?

Bill Belichick didn't seem to think Harrison was broken down.

Has it ever occurred to you that Harrison's ability to play might not have been much of a factor in Tomlin cutting him?

Maybe BB does not care one way or another about Harrison physical ability. Maybe it's more of a mental distraction that has nothing to do with Harrison even getting on the field, BB is goofy that way.

[Pabst]

Bill Belichick didn't seem to think Harrison was broken down.

Has it ever occurred to you that Harrison's ability to play might not have been much of a factor in Tomlin cutting him?

Sure. Has it occurred to you that with Kyle Van Noy being injured the Pats have absolutely nothing in terms of an edge rush so they are taking a shot on Harrison? There's no down side to this for the Patriots - maybe this is less "Belichick is a genius that see's what Tomlin can't see" and more "We need help, let's try this guy".

I think it's more, as Swissvale said earlier, Tomlin getting rid of a malcontent (or again, as Swiss put it, a "pain in the ass".)

Don't think Tomlin likes Harrison much anymore and I'm 100% the feeling is very mutual.

Harrison might not fit the Steelers defensive scheme under Butler, but no way I'm going to believe, even for a second, that Harrison cannot still be a very big factor rushing the passer.

And that's all fair, and I'd have rather seen them cut McCullers as well.
Where I'm taking issue is with posters suggesting that this is a sinister genius move by the Patriots, when its really just a no downside signing at a position of major need for them. I really don't believe Harrison has as much in the tank as you're suggesting, but who knows.

[FortyThree]

[quote="GreekSteel"][quote="KC"][quote="fortythree"]Gonna be hilarious when James is either not signed or he is signed, and gets on the field and looks like shit.[/quote]

Here's FortyThree trying to cover all his bases.

Fuckin' pussy.

[/quote]


Hey 43 will it also be hiliarious if he beats AV like a drum or for a key sack in the AFCCG?[/quote]

We'll worry about that when we get there. Unlike you scared fuckers i don't tend to worry about things that may never happen.

[FortyThree]

Who here thinks Tomlin and Butler dial up different defensive looks for Brady and co. between now and the upcoming playoff game with NE? Because now Belichick will have the Steelers' defensive playbook once James gives it to him. Not like they need it.

Imagine thinking this.

[stairway 2 seven]

The thing i hate the most is one of my favorite steelers of all time was released nevermind whether he helps the cheats or not. It would of been a great story having him hoist the lombardy with us again at age 39 cause we are gonna win it.

[Legacy User]

I hope this is not Tomlin "going with his gut feel" or imposing his ego on the situation.

Remember when he cut L Blount after a salty disciplinary incident instead of just suspending him for a game or two w/o pay and keeping him on the shelf? If I recall correctly, New England swooped in and scooped him up and then rode him all the way to a Lombardi.

[Legacy User]

Jeems I totally agree that it’s not a huge disaster.It definitely could matter though.
Would you agree that the Pats are better with Harrison and the Steelers are worse without him?
Why give a team that basically owns you any other advantage?
Now what happens if Watt or Dupree get injured?
Now you have Sean Spence and Anthony Chickillo starting games in the playoffs

Looking at this another way:
- How bad is the Patriots LB depth that they need to sign a 39 y/o who has barely played this year?
- Why the automatic assumption that James will click in the Pats system?
- Watt was injured earlier this year - Chickillo played over Harrison. Why is the mindset of this board "Tomlin is a moron who has an agenda so he won't play JH" as opposed to "Harrison is old/broken down and can't even beat out Anthony Chickillo"
- Harrison has never, in his 14 years in the league, played ILB. Why is our ILB depth even being brought into this discussion?

I keep seeing people fear that Harrison will give BB some sort of insider knowledge. Is there any documented evidence of this ever happening? I'm being serious - can someone find an example of a team signing a player and later admitting that gave them a leg up on the competition?

Pabst, no team would ever admit that, but players, admit it. I've seen it more than once, and GM's/Scouts acknowledge this practice as well. It's not a dreamed up thing. Harrison in NE would likely have one assignment - rush the passer. He has demonstrated that he can still do that.

[K_C_]

And that's all fair, and I'd have rather seen them cut McCullers as well.
Where I'm taking issue is with posters suggesting that this is a sinister genius move by the Patriots, when its really just a no downside signing at a position of major need for them. I really don't believe Harrison has as much in the tank as you're suggesting, but who knows.

People thought he was finished after Deebo's shit year in Bungleland.

He wasn't.

All I know is, the guy keeps himself in RIDICULOUS physical shape.

I'm not betting against him AND he'll be one motivated motherfucker too.

I don't like it.

[K_C_]

Jeems I totally agree that it’s not a huge disaster.It definitely could matter though.
Would you agree that the Pats are better with Harrison and the Steelers are worse without him?
Why give a team that basically owns you any other advantage?
Now what happens if Watt or Dupree get injured?
Now you have Sean Spence and Anthony Chickillo starting games in the playoffs

Looking at this another way:
- How bad is the Patriots LB depth that they need to sign a 39 y/o who has barely played this year?
- Why the automatic assumption that James will click in the Pats system?
- Watt was injured earlier this year - Chickillo played over Harrison. Why is the mindset of this board "Tomlin is a moron who has an agenda so he won't play JH" as opposed to "Harrison is old/broken down and can't even beat out Anthony Chickillo"
- Harrison has never, in his 14 years in the league, played ILB. Why is our ILB depth even being brought into this discussion?

I keep seeing people fear that Harrison will give BB some sort of insider knowledge. Is there any documented evidence of this ever happening? I'm being serious - can someone find an example of a team signing a player and later admitting that gave them a leg up on the competition?

Pabst, no team would ever admit that, but players, admit it. I've seen it more than once, and GM's/Scouts acknowledge this practice as well. It's not a dreamed up thing. Harrison in NE would likely have one assignment - rush the passer. He has demonstrated that he can still do that.

Yep, I saw it written that Harrison had 19 opportunities to rush the passer.

He had 3 pressures and a sack.

Although that's obviously a tiny sample size, those numbers were considered spectacular.

[Legacy User]

Here is your chance to predict Harrison's performance this weekend. So if you think he is still a beast or he is finished, say so.

I say he plays 15 snaps, has 2 tackles,1 sack and leaves the game with an injury.

[Legacy User]

I hope this is not Tomlin "going with his gut feel" or imposing his ego on the situation.

Remember when he cut L Blount after a salty disciplinary incident instead of just suspending him for a game or two w/o pay and keeping him on the shelf? If I recall correctly, New England swooped in and scooped him up and then rode him all the way to a Lombardi.

Remember it...suckef.

[Pabst]

Pabst, no team would ever admit that, but players, admit it. I've seen it more than once, and GM's/Scouts acknowledge this practice as well. It's not a dreamed up thing. Harrison in NE would likely have one assignment - rush the passer. He has demonstrated that he can still do that.

Source? And that's not me being a smartass, I'd honestly like to read about it. I don't doubt that scouts have shady methods of getting info, i just question the validity of Harrison giving the Pats something they don't already know.

Lower level NFL scouts are paid jack shit (I had a friend in the Chiefs front office who was making ~30k/year back in 2010), and they have all sorts of access to playbooks, strategies, etc. I'm sure teams could give these guys top $ to defect if they thought it could give them some sort of advantage.

I can guarantee you that the Pats have a write up on every play that the Steelers have run over the past few years. I can also guarantee that they have a write up on every Steelers player detailing their strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies. Countless hours were put into it, and lots of jobs depend on it.

Again, I honestly don't think that James Harrison is going to tell them anything they don't already know. I don't think the offense would be designing a new wrinkle for New England a month before any potential playoff meeting. And even then, there's no guarantee that Harrison was privy to that knowledge.

[Pabst]

Yep, I saw it written that Harrison had 19 opportunities to rush the passer.

He had 3 pressures and a sack.

Although that's obviously a tiny sample size, those numbers were considered spectacular.

That's also against Eric Fisher who blows against the bull rush, fwiw

[K_C_]

Yep, I saw it written that Harrison had 19 opportunities to rush the passer.

He had 3 pressures and a sack.

Although that's obviously a tiny sample size, those numbers were considered spectacular.

That's also against Eric Fisher who blows against the bull rush, fwiw

The Pats have a better than average chance at seeing the Chiefs this postseason.

Deebo will likely get the chance to add to his totals pretty quick.

[Legacy User]

you know the more I think about this development the more I believe its bellichecks way of fucking with us fans; steelers coaches and players.. just another tidbit to get in our heads and react one way or another.. be interesting to see how much real game use they get outta him..
personally thought we shoulda been using the hulk much more.

[tbsteel]

I predict Harrison breaks the NFL single game record and has 8 sacks on Sunday. I'd put good money on it actually.

After his 8th and final sack of the day, a play on fourth down that seals the Patriots victory and #1 seed in the playoffs, Harrison will rip off his jersey to reveal a custom undershirt. The front will read "Eat shit, Mikey T!" and the back will feature a rather distasteful drawing of the ghost of Dan Rooney on his knees groveling at a massive 12" wang of Robert Kraft playfully bouncing in front of his face. Later, some will say at the right angle you can even see a slight sparkle coming from Kraft's eye looking down upon the sheepish Rooney.

Thousands will rush the field, lifting Harrison onto their collective shoulders in a scene that will echo the ending to Rudy but here the fans will chant "Tomlin sucks, Tomlin sucks!" instead. Effigies of Mike Tomlin will be hung from trees, tarred and feathered, torn apart by dogs, and doused with fire hoses -- all of which will in no way be racially motivated at all.

The Patriots will win each playoff game by 30 or more points, culminating in a 60-3 win over the Vikings in a SB. The 60 points pairing up with their 6 SB trophies. Tom Brady and James Harrison will both immediately announce they are returning for #7 next season while Ben Roethlisberger retires, Le'veon Bell signs with the San Francisco 49ers, and Todd Haley signs a 4 year extension.

[Legacy User]

No more coffee for you.

[COS]

Yeah I'm with TB on this one

[Legacy User]

He was pretty much a afterthought for me with the Steelers this year so really no thought of him for the Patriots.

[Pabst]

I predict he'll be inactive

[K_C_]

No more coffee for you.

Then FortyThree is out of a job!

[swissvale72]

All this said, at this point, FUCK James Harrison.

I'm hoping he either....
*Sucks ass
*Gets hurt

But rues the fuckin' day, he rejected the Steelers offer to resign him, and went off with the enemy instead.

[swissvale72]

I predict his back goes, and this time next week, he's on injured reserve.

[BethlehemSteel]

Pabst, no team would ever admit that, but players, admit it. I've seen it more than once, and GM's/Scouts acknowledge this practice as well. It's not a dreamed up thing. Harrison in NE would likely have one assignment - rush the passer. He has demonstrated that he can still do that.

Source? And that's not me being a smartass, I'd honestly like to read about it. I don't doubt that scouts have shady methods of getting info, i just question the validity of Harrison giving the Pats something they don't already know.

Lower level NFL scouts are paid jack shit (I had a friend in the Chiefs front office who was making ~30k/year back in 2010), and they have all sorts of access to playbooks, strategies, etc. I'm sure teams could give these guys top $ to defect if they thought it could give them some sort of advantage.

I can guarantee you that the Pats have a write up on every play that the Steelers have run over the past few years. I can also guarantee that they have a write up on every Steelers player detailing their strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies. Countless hours were put into it, and lots of jobs depend on it.

Again, I honestly don't think that James Harrison is going to tell them anything they don't already know. I don't think the offense would be designing a new wrinkle for New England a month before any potential playoff meeting. And even then, there's no guarantee that Harrison was privy to that knowledge.

Gonna help their pass rush and secretly be a Trojan horse.

[BethlehemSteel]

I’m calling my shot. Deebo 3 sacks and a forced fumble

And a 4 game ban the next day for pissing hot

[BethlehemSteel]

Steelers players response

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/12/st ... -patriots/

Sounds more jesting than anything else

Part of the plot

[fractalsteel]

Cardona, the Pats LS gets hurt in the third quarter. Harrison comes in for Cardona late in the fourth quarter with the Pats on their own ten yard line and promptly snaps it over Allen's head and out of the EZ. The Jets take the points and the ball and score the winning touchdown on an overturned call with seconds to spare.
Jones mops up for Ben in the second half and the Steelers win going away and secure the #1 seed.

[Jobu]

I predict Harrison breaks the NFL single game record and has 8 sacks on Sunday. I'd put good money on it actually.

After his 8th and final sack of the day, a play on fourth down that seals the Patriots victory and #1 seed in the playoffs, Harrison will rip off his jersey to reveal a custom undershirt. The front will read "Eat shit, Mikey T!" and the back will feature a rather distasteful drawing of the ghost of Dan Rooney on his knees groveling at a massive 12" wang of Robert Kraft playfully bouncing in front of his face. Later, some will say at the right angle you can even see a slight sparkle coming from Kraft's eye looking down upon the sheepish Rooney.

Thousands will rush the field, lifting Harrison onto their collective shoulders in a scene that will echo the ending to Rudy but here the fans will chant "Tomlin sucks, Tomlin sucks!" instead. Effigies of Mike Tomlin will be hung from trees, tarred and feathered, torn apart by dogs, and doused with fire hoses -- all of which will in no way be racially motivated at all.

The Patriots will win each playoff game by 30 or more points, culminating in a 60-3 win over the Vikings in a SB. The 60 points pairing up with their 6 SB trophies. Tom Brady and James Harrison will both immediately announce they are returning for #7 next season while Ben Roethlisberger retires, Le'veon Bell signs with the San Francisco 49ers, and Todd Haley signs a 4 year extension.

WOW!!! I was gonna predict the exact same thing.