Our Enemies

[Legacy User]

1. Do you think every single Muslim is evil and wishes all Christians and western institutions to be destroyed?

The answer to the first part is no, but a central dogma of Islam is conquest and most would not mind at all the destruction of the West even if they did not pull the trigger. Look at the polls and the way they vote. Look at the behavior of communities in France and England, where they isolate and live under Sharia.

2. Do you want us to kill every single Muslim on the grounds that all Muslims are evil?

Obviously not. Big time straw man there. I was the one objecting to innocent Muslims getting killed by drones while you were obsessing about the pain in KSM's uvula and taint.

3. Do you think that every single Muslim interprets the Kroran literally? Do you think there are any Muslims who who think that violence is not acceptable when prophets are satirized?

Fortunately most do not. If they did, it would be worse. That is my major point.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran ... olence.htm

Christians used to do all sorts of violence in the name of Christianity, but not so much any more. Do you think Christianity is inherently violent because of what used to be done in its name?

If it were 1500 AD, this question would be relevant. Christianity has undergone numerous reformations since then.

BTW, I have every goddam right to express my opinion about this, since I am not one of your students under a speech code. It's called the First Amendment and everything I have said about the Quran is from the Quran, not something I made up.

Since I have answered everyone of your stupid questions, maybe you could return the favor and address the morality of drone strokes, which you have feverishly avoided.

You really do struggle with pattern recognition. What do you want France to "do" about this?

[Legacy User]

1. Do you think every single Muslim is evil and wishes all Christians and western institutions to be destroyed?

The answer to the first part is no, but a central dogma of Islam is conquest and most would not mind at all the destruction of the West even if they did not pull the trigger. Look at the polls and the way they vote. Look at the behavior of communities in France and England, where they isolate and live under Sharia.

2. Do you want us to kill every single Muslim on the grounds that all Muslims are evil?

Obviously not. Big time straw man there. I was the one objecting to innocent Muslims getting killed by drones while you were obsessing about the pain in KSM's uvula and taint.

3. Do you think that every single Muslim interprets the Kroran literally? Do you think there are any Muslims who who think that violence is not acceptable when prophets are satirized?

Fortunately most do not. If they did, it would be worse. That is my major point.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran ... olence.htm

Christians used to do all sorts of violence in the name of Christianity, but not so much any more. Do you think Christianity is inherently violent because of what used to be done in its name?

If it were 1500 AD, this question would be relevant. Christianity has undergone numerous reformations since then.

BTW, I have every goddam right to express my opinion about this, since I am not one of your students under a speech code. It's called the First Amendment and everything I have said about the Quran is from the Quran, not something I made up.

Since I have answered everyone of your stupid questions, maybe you could return the favor and address the morality of drone strokes, which you have feverishly avoided.

You really do struggle with pattern recognition. What do you want France to "do" about this?

1) IDK why you get so angry. Perhaps try to relax and realize we're just having a back and forth.

2) I have answered your question about drone strikes, quite clearly. Go back and find it. I read all of your posts carefully, you could do me the same courtesy.

3) I am not straw manning you by asking you questions. The three questions were neither leading nor arguments, so hardly straw men.

4) None of my students are under speech restrictions. I encourage them to challenge me, call me out, call each other out, and be as edgy and controversial as they want.

5) I'm glad you admit Christianity has undergone a transformation, perhaps Islam will too. The question is relevant because Islam may change just as Christianity has. I see you dodged my analogy with Mormonism. I don't blame you because it is quite to the point.

Of course you have every right to voice your opinion on Islam. But what qualifies you to be the judge of what it's essence is? You see to act like religious texts and interpretation of them do not evolve. You read the Koran flatly. Should we? Do all Muslims? We certainly don't read the Bible or Book of Mormon flatly so why do we have to read the Koran flatly? Because it suits you?

I don't struggle with pattern recognition (assuming I understand what you mean by this). I question wether what Islamic militants do represents what Islam truly is. You disagree and that's fine.

What do I think France should do? Hunt these fuckers down and kill them or capture and put them away for life.

Did you read the last line of my post that you responded to? Maybe try to read my whole post before getting mindlessly irritated and responding. What did you think I meant by "can't be tolerated" and "ruinous to civilization"?

It seems to me that we agree quite a bit.

[Legacy User]

They are starting to piss people off.

Why are there no muslims on star trek?








Because it takes place in the FUTURE

[Legacy User]

I should also add that no state can tolerate two regimes. If muslims wish to live in the west, they do not get to have a (sharia) state within a (secular) state. If this is your wish, apply for citizenship to Saudia Arabia. France and Britain are not the place for you. The European countries need to get their shit together, but it is difficult. I feel for France. This is a long running, ongoing problem for France, especially.

[Legacy User]

<<I should also add that no state can tolerate two regimes. If muslims wish to live in the west, they do not get to have a (sharia) state within a (secular) state. If this is your wish, apply for citizenship to Saudia Arabia. France and Britain are not the place for you. The European countries need to get their shit together, but it is difficult. I feel for France. This is a long running, ongoing problem for France, especially.>>

You are 100 percent correct and we agree about Islam in the West. There cannot legally be sharia courts and Algerian microsocieties with their own rules and culturally there cannot be an environment where religion cannot be criticized and mocked. And that includes colleges. In fact college is the place were religion and even the excesses of secularism need to be challenged. South Park rules...everything is fair game. These suits against people like Geert Wilders need to be dismissed.

However, the enemies of the West are not going to go along with this and we will find ourselves smack dab into Popper's toleration paradox.

We do that here too. Brandeis should have never disinvited Ayan Hirsi Ali. She has every right to criticize the belief system that led to her physical and surgical mistreatment. Same with Bill Maher. And I disagree with Bill Maher a lot.

[COR-TEN]

1. Do you think every single Muslim is evil and wishes all Christians and western institutions to be destroyed?

The answer to the first part is no, but a central dogma of Islam is conquest and most would not mind at all the destruction of the West even if they did not pull the trigger. Look at the polls and the way they vote. Look at the behavior of communities in France and England, where they isolate and live under Sharia.

2. Do you want us to kill every single Muslim on the grounds that all Muslims are evil?

Obviously not. Big time straw man there. I was the one objecting to innocent Muslims getting killed by drones while you were obsessing about the pain in KSM's uvula and taint.

3. Do you think that every single Muslim interprets the Kroran literally? Do you think there are any Muslims who who think that violence is not acceptable when prophets are satirized?

Fortunately most do not. If they did, it would be worse. That is my major point.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran ... olence.htm

Christians used to do all sorts of violence in the name of Christianity, but not so much any more. Do you think Christianity is inherently violent because of what used to be done in its name?

If it were 1500 AD, this question would be relevant. Christianity has undergone numerous reformations since then.

BTW, I have every goddam right to express my opinion about this, since I am not one of your students under a speech code. It's called the First Amendment and everything I have said about the Quran is from the Quran, not something I made up.

Since I have answered everyone of your stupid questions, maybe you could return the favor and address the morality of drone strokes, which you have feverishly avoided.

You really do struggle with pattern recognition. What do you want France to "do" about this?

Can you please substantiate this? What data, statistics or opinion polls can you provide that prove this belief?

It would also be of interest to quote the Quran about central tenants of conquest and how Christianity might also have the same. I've already posted from Deuteronomy in regards to killing non believers in the christian faith.

"...a man or a woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, by transgressing His covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them...Behold, if it is true and the thing certain that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out that man or that woman who has done this evil deed to your gates, that is, the man or the woman, and you shall stone them to [b]death."

While most of Europe was in the darkness and intolerance of the Middle Ages, Islam had an enlightenment that rivaled any other age of humanity. Every religion was tolerated and promoted. Even Judaism. That was the very same islam you seem to think is rooted in killing anybody that doesn't subscribe to sharia law or radical extreme interpretations of the Quran.

Also, can you please define the "excesses of secularism" you speak of?

[Legacy User]

The western media has done an incredibly poor job of defining Islam. They are presented as having a core of religious radicals while the reality is much more complex. Unlike the western world there is an overlap amongst the political/military, religious, criminal, and economic in Islam. In a way, it's Italy on steroids.

Even Isis isn't monolithic. It doesn't consist entirely of religious radicals. Saddam's generals, the brains behind Isis, are secular and criminal. Many of the western members are computer and finance educated and are pulling down a good buck. Baghdaddi's (sp) inner circle is more Sunni political then Wahabi clerical.

If you really want to understand what is really on the mind of the Islamic nations you have to read what they have to say. Not what those that couldn't get into law school here write. There are two main problems that Islam has with the west. The minor problem, illustrated as the major problem mostly due to Bin Ladens fatwa, is radical Islams objection to our military presence in Islamic countries. This is a very small, very poor core group that is manipulated and funded by Saudi royality and the Pakis in a double game. The major problem is the growing understanding of global economics and a desire for there share of the pie among the common Islamic people. It's this factor that throws financial/political support from the non radical common man in Arabia.

From there newspapers:

http://www.paktribune.com/business/news/Why-Muslim-Countries-are-Underdeveloped+-9703.html

Marx might end up being right. Shit came close to jumping off in 08.

[Legacy User]

Follow the bank accounts and see if it leads to Saudi Arabia, our BFFs.

Meanwhile the French are getting it together:



The Old Testament comparison is moronic. There is no standing order in the Bible to kill infidels or any group. Spare me your Joshua quotes on this one. Those were one time orders. See my previous link.

[Legacy User]

England can start by deporting this clown:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... -muhammad/

Je suis Charlie. The victims are true martyrs and heroes of free speech.

[Legacy User]

<<I rather do not think you have the right to say what Islam essentially is. Who does have that right?>>

That's exactly what the Charlie Hebdo terrorists were trying to express.

So it's interesting you share their view of free speech, while denying it after blood has been shed.

I think you're trying to have it both ways...you want to be a free speech advocate, but you want to bad offensive speech.

As for the idea of misinterpretation:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/3 ... y/page/0/1

ISIS and these guys didn't invent Sharia law or jihad.

[Legacy User]

Hmmmm...forming negative opinions about people you've never met living in places you've never been....from afar.

Then getting so pissy about what you see on a screen that you declare these people your sworn "enemy"...from afar.

Isis says +1.

I obviously don't agree with you, but I'd rather think of you as a sworn asshat than an enemy.

[Legacy User]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/01/ ... -mohammed/

And I'm the liberal on this board, not defending those stuck in the Middle Ages.

[Legacy User]

Mahr needs to remove the plank from his own eye.

As far as human rights go we have the highest prison population the world has ever seen. On a per capita basis we imprison three times as many people as fucking China. Further, the access to legal representation for minorities and the poor is among the worst in the world, as is the length of time imprisoned before a trial.

As far as executions go, we are the only western democracy with the death penalty, yet we do it quite well as we execute more people then Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan.

As far as womens rights are concerned we execute women at a higher rate then all the Persian Gulf states except Saudi Arabia. And along with China, Congo, Pakistan, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Nigeria we are the only remaining states to execute juveniles. And keep this in mind- since 1973 over 140 people have been released from death row. Nationally,1 out of 10 executed in this country is later exhonerated. Then there is the sad fact we more then double every other western culture in women and children in sexual slavery.

[Legacy User]

you forgot to bring up the American obesity problem and the designated hitter rule and I wonder why since this has as much to do with Islamic terror as the prison population...

[Legacy User]

you forgot to bring up the American obesity problem and the designated hitter rule and I wonder why since this has as much to do with Islamic terror as the prison population...

I was responding to Mahrs quotes.

But since you want to debate terrorism consider-

An international poll found that the United States is ranked far in the lead as “the biggest threat to world peace today,” far ahead of second-place Pakistan, with no one else even close.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Official-The-US-is-a-Leading-Terrorist-State-20141020-0067.html

And that doesn't even address the dozen or so drone wars described as "war crimes" by the UN.

[R_S]

you forgot to bring up the American obesity problem and the designated hitter rule and I wonder why since this has as much to do with Islamic terror as the prison population...

[R_S]

you forgot to bring up the American obesity problem and the designated hitter rule and I wonder why since this has as much to do with Islamic terror as the prison population...

I was responding to Mahrs quotes.

But since you want to debate terrorism consider-

An international poll found that the United States is ranked far in the lead as “the biggest threat to world peace today,” far ahead of second-place Pakistan, with no one else even close.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Official-The-US-is-a-Leading-Terrorist-State-20141020-0067.html

And that doesn't even address the dozen or so drone wars described as "war crimes" by the UN.

I wonder if they polled the average Parisian right now, who they would say they are more scared of being killed by, an American or Radical Islamist. hmmm

[Legacy User]

I wonder if they polled the average Parisian right now, who they would say they are more scared of being killed by, an American or Radical Islamist. hmmm

Would you consider coming in 2 a win?

Let's not forget this is exact destablization of the Persian Gulf states and the birthing of terrorist sanctuaries the neocons predicted would happen when they were serving on the board of the American Enterprise Institute rather then the "greet us as liberators" bullshit they sold us when they were serving in Bush's cabinent.

Bush Sr did not go into Bahgdad because "it would result in a 20 year plus occupation in hell" to paraphrase his book.

Simply put, Isis is our creation. Iraq was merely the jumping off point to maintaining global hegemony, mostly to prevent Russia and China from becoming peer competitors, but also to stop any thoughts of Germany or Japan from the "renationalization" of their military. The permanent presence of the United States as the military hegemon of Europe, the military hegemon of Asia and the military hegemon of the Middle East is the goal. In each of these areas, the regional powers would consent to perpetual U.S. domination either voluntarily, because the United States assumed their defense burdens, or involuntarily, because the superior U.S. military intimidated them into acquiescence.

In other words Isis exists mostly so we can maintain a military presence in the middle east, show off the new high tech killing machines, and keep the war economy rolling.

[R_S]

Would you consider coming in 2 a win?

I'm all for going straight isolationism for the next 20 years. When geonicide, starvation, natural disasters occur all over the planet, these same FUCKS that are voting in polls that Americans are terrorists will be sucking their thumbs and crying about why isn't the USA giving them aid!

[Legacy User]

Waiting to hear how America and Israel created the jihadis In Kashmir going after India and in the Phillipines.

Blame America first like rust never sleeps.

Neither does cowardice and anti-Semitism which has gone mainstream:

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status ... 60/photo/1

[Legacy User]

And some dumb conservative Catholics are sympathizers too. Listen to this takedown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFRc0FS5okU

Not only do we have a right to ridicule Catholicism, we have an obligation to when your priests are molesting altar boys.

Fuck anyone who wants to live in the Middle Ages when they were born into a golden age of liberty and prosperity.

[zeke5123]

Would you consider coming in 2 a win?

I'm all for going straight isolationism for the next 20 years. When geonicide, starvation, natural disasters occur all over the planet, these same FUCKS that are voting in polls that Americans are terrorists will be sucking their thumbs and crying about why isn't the USA giving them aid!

Big difference between isolationism (See: Japan prior to Meji restoration) and avoiding a bellicose military strategy.

[Suwanee88]

this is when my world turned upside down

Fast food giant Subway has removed ham and bacon from almost 200 outlets, and switched to halal meat alternatives in an attempt to please its Muslim customers.

It has confirmed turkey ham and turkey rashers will be used instead in 185 of its stores, where all the meat will now be prepared according to halal rules

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True!

[Suwanee88]

I support and endorse any and all tactics necessary to de-nazify any culture who would love nothing more then to rape and behead my family in a public setting to satisfy simple beliefs.

IMO the price of freedom isn't free and why the men and woman in the military who sleep on dirt floors with Kevlar helmets in 140 degree heat deserve so much respect so I can sleep comfortably in my bed at night safe from those who only want to see me suffer.

I'd much rather have a rag shoved in my mouth with water dumped over my head than be on the business end of a 500 LB bunker buster that I have no chance to survive. And the torture only hurts because you fight back. Each one of them have an opportunity to simply stand trial if they jus do what their captors ask.

I say fuck fuck the Geneva convention as it pertains to terrorism and institute military tribunals where I empower those who are brave enough to stand up for my freedom to decide on a rocky hilltop in northern Iraq if you're guilty of crimes against humanity and if you deserve a 40 cal shell casing through the base if your skull

Agree - I have a feeling its coming to the hills in the USA.

[Suwanee88]

I have a question - Its now 2015 - Where are all of the radical Christians and the news stories about them killing people who deface Jesus Christ? Oh yeah, that's right - they are on retreats all over the world helping people and LOVING people who are less fortunate then they are.

Fuck off Radical Muslims!

[R_S]

Even the pussy French people are showing signs of having enough. That government made their bed and are now sleeping in it. Citizens are now shooting at mosques and kabob shops. Not a very constructive response but there govt has put them in a position of helplessness. Its like getting pissed off and punching a wall.

I was just reading an article about snow delays in a county of Norther Virginia. That school district website offers information in Arabic. So yeah, maybe the US is not that far behind.

I don't think it's tinfoil hatting for me to say I'd be pretty surprised if there is not an attack similar to Paris or worse withing the next 6 months. Australia, France,......it's coming.

I'm dating a girl that works for Politico at their DC office. She told me that they had heightened security there. If i worked there, unless I could be strapped, I don't think I'd feel comfortable. But it'd be easier for you to ride a Unicorn to work in DC than legally carry a concealed weapon.

[Legacy User]

Well that might be because when the rest of the world accuses a christian of terrorism it usually begins with President or Prime Minister.

It's really obvious- this isn't really a war on terror, it's a war to protect the status quo of black hole capitalism. We want to control the rate the oil leaves the ground in the middle east, and we need a hedge on China and Russia, so we maintain the military presence in South Korea, Japan and Europe. We are the world's whorehouse, we want to ensure the optimum global business environment. It is hilarious that so many think the MFers that pledged "no nation building" on the campaign trail pre-911 have any real interest in democracy in the middle east or anywhere else.

You know what these dead enders attracted to spree killing by Isis social media have in common?

Here is a hint, the recent attacks in Austrailia, Canada and the US weren't even committed by practicing Muslims. They were all broke as fuck with no hope for the future.

[Legacy User]

"We want to control the rate the oil leaves the ground in the middle east"

Wrong. We can't. They have the highest quality, most easily extractable oil in the world and they control the price. During the Iraq War the price of oil went up because we did not seize the spoils of war.

I wish it were blood for oil. It was blood for nothing.

This is part of the conspiracy crowd that blames corporations every time goes up.

Now that oil is down, what corporation is to blame?

The truth is what is happening now is that our BFFs, the Saudis, are freaking out about North American oil production and want to undercut it.

Turns out that drill baby drill worked. That was something the groovy crowd at colleges liked to make fun of. Just like SDI, "Star Wars, ha ha ha" that saved Israel from annihilation.

I know it's so fucking fashionable to blame America first, but you need to think things through.

America has nothing to do with what happened in France. The French have bent over backwards for the Algerians and that's what the American left want to do. I'm concerned that our BFFs in Riyadh are financing this through Yemen.

It must be so special to be born in the greatest country ever at the best time ever and spend your days shitting all over it.

All those Muslim attacks were committed by self identified Muslims. You have to love the way leftists think...if I'm born a man and tell them I'm a woman they believe that, but if a Muslim tells them they are Muslim, they get to decide if they are telling the truth. Based on their own deep understanding of the Koran, which they've never read.

And many of you calling the cartoonists heroes are hypocrites. David Brooks said it well today:

"The journalists at Charlie Hebdo are now rightly being celebrated as martyrs on behalf of freedom of expression, but let’s face it: If they had tried to publish their satirical newspaper on any American university campus over the last two decades it wouldn’t have lasted 30 seconds. Student and faculty groups would have accused them of hate speech. The administration would have cut financing and shut them down.

Public reaction to the attack in Paris has revealed that there are a lot of people who are quick to lionize those who offend the views of Islamist terrorists in France but who are a lot less tolerant toward those who offend their own views at home."

Sound familiar?

[Legacy User]

"We want to control the rate the oil leaves the ground in the middle east"

Wrong. We can't. They have the highest quality, most easily extractable oil in the world and they control the price. During the Iraq War the price of oil went up because we did not seize the spoils of war.

I wish it were blood for oil. It was blood for nothing.

This is part of the conspiracy crowd that blames corporations every time goes up.

Now that oil is down, what corporation is to blame?

The truth is what is happening now is that our BFFs, the Saudis, are freaking out about North American oil production and want to undercut it.

Turns out that drill baby drill worked. That was something the groovy crowd at colleges liked to make fun of. Just like SDI, "Star Wars, ha ha ha" that saved Israel from annihilation.

I know it's so fucking fashionable to blame America first, but you need to think things through.

Wrong. One of the reasons we went into Iraq was we wanted to replace there antiquated oil fields technology with no bid Haliburton equipment.

In fact, American drilling companies stand to make tens of billions of dollars from the new petroleum activity in Iraq long before any of the oil producers start seeing any returns on their investments.

Lukoil and many of the other international oil companies that won fields in the auction are now subcontracting mostly with the four largely American oil services companies that are global leaders in their field: Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Weatherford International and Schlumberger. Those four have won the largest portion of the subcontracts to drill for oil, build wells and refurbish old equipment.

I said rate of production, not price.

America has nothing to do with what happened in France. The French have bent over backwards for the Algerians and that's what the American left want to do. I'm concerned that our BFFs in Riyadh are financing this through Yemen.

Sure it does. We destabilized the whole region...then left. If Iraq, Syria, and Libya were intact, no Isis. If we didn't bail on Iraq, no Isis. These attacks are al born from Isis social media contagen. And of course the Saudi's are involved.

And I'm certainly not defending the recent spree killers. But that has everything to do with Isis social media and next to nothing to with Islam.

And if given a choice I would have rather been born in at least a half dozen countries then this one. In case you haven't looked our health care is rated in the forties, ditto education, our life expectency sucks, our work rights suck, and our personal liberties are in the shitter.

[swissvale72]

"We want to control the rate the oil leaves the ground in the middle east"

Wrong. We can't. They have the highest quality, most easily extractable oil in the world and they control the price. During the Iraq War the price of oil went up because we did not seize the spoils of war.

I wish it were blood for oil. It was blood for nothing.

This is part of the conspiracy crowd that blames corporations every time goes up.

Now that oil is down, what corporation is to blame?

The truth is what is happening now is that our BFFs, the Saudis, are freaking out about North American oil production and want to undercut it.

Turns out that drill baby drill worked. That was something the groovy crowd at colleges liked to make fun of. Just like SDI, "Star Wars, ha ha ha" that saved Israel from annihilation.

I know it's so fucking fashionable to blame America first, but you need to think things through.

America has nothing to do with what happened in France. The French have bent over backwards for the Algerians and that's what the American left want to do. I'm concerned that our BFFs in Riyadh are financing this through Yemen.

It must be so special to be born in the greatest country ever at the best time ever and spend your days shitting all over it.

All those Muslim attacks were committed by self identified Muslims. You have to love the way leftists think...if I'm born a man and tell them I'm a woman they believe that, but if a Muslim tells them they are Muslim, they get to decide if they are telling the truth. Based on their own deep understanding of the Koran, which they've never read.

And many of you calling the cartoonists heroes are hypocrites. David Brooks said it well today:

"The journalists at Charlie Hebdo are now rightly being celebrated as martyrs on behalf of freedom of expression, but let’s face it: If they had tried to publish their satirical newspaper on any American university campus over the last two decades it wouldn’t have lasted 30 seconds. Student and faculty groups would have accused them of hate speech. The administration would have cut financing and shut them down.

Public reaction to the attack in Paris has revealed that there are a lot of people who are quick to lionize those who offend the views of Islamist terrorists in France but who are a lot less tolerant toward those who offend their own views at home."

Sound familiar?

The Shields/Brooks commentary from last night:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/shields- ... -congress/